Mirek F=EDdler wrote:

>>>But that is not number of responders.
>>
>>The number of responders is a dynamic one.
>>
>>>But I am sure that you will rather
>>>find any way how to answer this question without giving the number (th=
at=20
>>>is
>>>correct answer).
>>
>>The effectiveness of the 2PD Approach is measured by the percentage of
>>folks who respond. As long as the number of non-responders is 0 (zero)=
,
>>the percentage will remain 100% no matter how large the number of
>>responders grows. As far as I know, there is no other diet or diet
>>approach that can make the claim of being 100% effective for bringing
>>about weight loss. Moreover, 100% of those who have been using the 2PD=

>>Approach for more than 5 years are lighter than their *before* weight
>>(i.e. none of these veteran 2PDers are heavier). So yes, the 2PD
>>Approach is now one way to "cure" obesity.
>=20
> Yes, I knew it. No number, just fuzzy talk we are already used to.

Part of it is because the 2PD isn't more than 5 years old. Chung=20
claims there are people who have been doing it for more than that.

Bob

> No problem, I did not hold my breath. I know you very well already... :=
)
>=20
> Mirek=20

Actually, he is right as always.

As there is nobody on 2PD for 5 years, there is also no failure, so 100% of
those that started 2PD 5 years ago (that is 0) is successful, so there is 0%
dropout ratio.

Andrew just likes these word/logic/truth games, you should knew it. That is
50% of reasons why he is (cross)posting to newsgroups.

Mirek

-------------
"Bob (this one)" > píse v diskusním príspevku
...
Mirek Fídler wrote:

>>>But that is not number of responders.
>>
>>The number of responders is a dynamic one.
>>
>>>But I am sure that you will rather
>>>find any way how to answer this question without giving the number (that
>>>is
>>>correct answer).
>>
>>The effectiveness of the 2PD Approach is measured by the percentage of
>>folks who respond. As long as the number of non-responders is 0 (zero),
>>the percentage will remain 100% no matter how large the number of
>>responders grows. As far as I know, there is no other diet or diet
>>approach that can make the claim of being 100% effective for bringing
>>about weight loss. Moreover, 100% of those who have been using the 2PD
>>Approach for more than 5 years are lighter than their *before* weight
>>(i.e. none of these veteran 2PDers are heavier). So yes, the 2PD
>>Approach is now one way to "cure" obesity.
>
> Yes, I knew it. No number, just fuzzy talk we are already used to.

Part of it is because the 2PD isn't more than 5 years old. Chung
claims there are people who have been doing it for more than that.

Bob

> No problem, I did not hold my breath. I know you very well already...
>
> Mirek

"Mirek Fídler" wrote (edited for more truthfulness):
>
> Actually, he is truthful as usual.

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

> Since being published in 1988, the 2PD Approach has been used by many for more than 5 years since the year is now 2004,

Indeed, personally I have been using the 2PD Approach for more than 7
years now.


> there is also no failure,

Correct.


> so 100% of
> those that started 2PD 5 years ago (that is many more than 1) are successful,

Correct.

> so there is 0%
> failure rate and 100% cure.

Correct.

> Andrew just loves the truth, you should know this by now.

Correct.


> This is the good work he is called to do.

Yes.

> Mirek

May God bless you on this Lord's day, in Christ's holy name.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> "Mirek F=EDdler" wrote (edited for more truthfulness):

>> Since being published in 1988, the 2PD Approach has been used by=20
>> many for more than 5 years since the year is now 2004,

"many..." No actual number.

He says this on his page with URL <http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp>

"In 1997, my wife and I watched an IMAX film about climbing Mt.
Everest and learned that despite their exhausting regimen, the
climbers consumed only 10 lbs of food per week. That's less than 2
lbs. of food per day! Since none of the climbers died from starvation,
I think it is safe to assume that 2 lbs. per day should be more than
adequate for us non-climbing folks.

"So I started a little experiment with the agreeable obese patients in
my care. I gave them ordinary food scales with instructions to weigh
everything substantial that passed into their mouths. The only things
exempted were water and sugar-free drinks. What I learned was that my
obese patients was consuming between 8 to 12 lbs. of food per day! At
the time, I was about 10 lbs. over my ideal body weight (ok, it was
more like 20 lbs) so I decided to find out how much I was eating per
day... 3-4 lbs. I cut back to less than 2 lbs. and was at my proper
weight in a few months."

>> so 100% of those that started 2PD 5 years ago (that is many more=20
>> than 1) are successful,

But never an actual number. No data to support that "many more than 1"=20
claim.

> Correct.
>=20
>> so there is 0% failure rate and 100% cure.

Except Chung never mentions how many there are actually doing it that
he knows of. It also implies that *everyone* who started it has stayed=20
with it. All are still alive. All are still in contact with Chung.

All puffery and claims; no documentation, data or testimonials to=20
support any of it. Lies followed by more lies.

Bob

"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
> Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > "Mirek Fídler" wrote (edited for more truthfulness):
>
> >> Since being published in 1988,


Oops. Sorry, I meant to type 1998.

Thank you for pointing out my error.

Please forgive me.

You remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Christ's holy name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior on this His Lord's
day.



Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Bob, may I respectfully request that you stop cross posting this crap
into alt.diabetes.support

If not I will be forced to put you in the small exclusive club called
my killfile.

It is just cluttering it up. I am sure people in some of the other
newsgroups feel the same way.


Bob (this one) wrote:

<snip>
>
> Except Chung never mentions how many there are actually doing it that
> he knows of. It also implies that *everyone* who started it has stayed
> with it. All are still alive. All are still in contact with Chung.
>
> All puffery and claims; no documentation, data or testimonials to
> support any of it. Lies followed by more lies.
>
> Bob
>

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:07:27 GMT, URAQT2 wrote:

> Bob, may I respectfully request that you stop cross posting this crap
> into alt.diabetes.support
>
> If not I will be forced to put you in the small exclusive club called
> my killfile.

Egads. Pastorio is an exclusive club!

> It is just cluttering it up. I am sure people in some of the other
> newsgroups feel the same way.

They'll be fine and certainly don't need a spokesperson. MOF, since you and
relatively few others are complaining, considering the hundreds of ppl in
all these Xposted groups, you're in a minority, an "exclusive club" called
Whiners Who Want To Control Usenet. lol

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:07:27 GMT, URAQT2 wrote:

> Bob, may I respectfully request that you stop cross posting this crap
> into alt.diabetes.support
>
> If not I will be forced to put you in the small exclusive club called
> my killfile.

Egads. Pastorio is an exclusive club!

> It is just cluttering it up. I am sure people in some of the other
> newsgroups feel the same way.

They'll be fine and certainly don't need a spokesperson. MOF, since you and
relatively few others are complaining, considering the hundreds of ppl in
all these Xposted groups, you're in a minority, an "exclusive club" called
Whiners Who Want To Control Usenet. lol

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> "Mirek F=EDdler" wrote (edited for more truthfulness):

>> Since being published in 1988, the 2PD Approach has been used by=20
>> many for more than 5 years since the year is now 2004,

"many..." No actual number.

He says this on his page with URL <http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp>

"In 1997, my wife and I watched an IMAX film about climbing Mt.
Everest and learned that despite their exhausting regimen, the
climbers consumed only 10 lbs of food per week. That's less than 2
lbs. of food per day! Since none of the climbers died from starvation,
I think it is safe to assume that 2 lbs. per day should be more than
adequate for us non-climbing folks.

"So I started a little experiment with the agreeable obese patients in
my care. I gave them ordinary food scales with instructions to weigh
everything substantial that passed into their mouths. The only things
exempted were water and sugar-free drinks. What I learned was that my
obese patients was consuming between 8 to 12 lbs. of food per day! At
the time, I was about 10 lbs. over my ideal body weight (ok, it was
more like 20 lbs) so I decided to find out how much I was eating per
day... 3-4 lbs. I cut back to less than 2 lbs. and was at my proper
weight in a few months."

>> so 100% of those that started 2PD 5 years ago (that is many more=20
>> than 1) are successful,

But never an actual number. No data to support that "many more than 1"=20
claim.

> Correct.
>=20
>> so there is 0% failure rate and 100% cure.

Except Chung never mentions how many there are actually doing it that
he knows of. It also implies that *everyone* who started it has stayed=20
with it. All are still alive. All are still in contact with Chung.

All puffery and claims; no documentation, data or testimonials to=20
support any of it. Lies followed by more lies.

Bob

Must you cross post this crap into alt.support.diabetes?
We don't want it.
Take outside, as the bartender said.

Bob (this one) wrote:

> Mirek Fídler wrote:
>
>>>> But that is not number of responders.
>>>
>>>
>>> The number of responders is a dynamic one.
>>>
>>>> But I am sure that you will rather
>>>> find any way how to answer this question without giving the number
>>>> (that is
>>>> correct answer).
>>>
>>>
>>> The effectiveness of the 2PD Approach is measured by the percentage of
>>> folks who respond. As long as the number of non-responders is 0 (zero),
>>> the percentage will remain 100% no matter how large the number of
>>> responders grows. As far as I know, there is no other diet or diet
>>> approach that can make the claim of being 100% effective for bringing
>>> about weight loss. Moreover, 100% of those who have been using the 2PD
>>> Approach for more than 5 years are lighter than their *before* weight
>>> (i.e. none of these veteran 2PDers are heavier). So yes, the 2PD
>>> Approach is now one way to "cure" obesity.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I knew it. No number, just fuzzy talk we are already used to.
>
>
> Part of it is because the 2PD isn't more than 5 years old. Chung claims
> there are people who have been doing it for more than that.
>
> Bob
>
>> No problem, I did not hold my breath. I know you very well already...
>>
>> Mirek
>
>

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:29:53 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:

> Part of it is because the 2PD isn't more than 5 years old.

Correct.

I wondered where my PuppyDog Pastorio wandered off to.

Here, Boy.

<whistle> lol

Actually, he is right as always.

As there is nobody on 2PD for 5 years, there is also no failure, so 100% of
those that started 2PD 5 years ago (that is 0) is successful, so there is 0%
dropout ratio.

Andrew just likes these word/logic/truth games, you should knew it. That is
50% of reasons why he is (cross)posting to newsgroups.

Mirek

-------------
"Bob (this one)" > píse v diskusním príspevku
...
Mirek Fídler wrote:

>>>But that is not number of responders.
>>
>>The number of responders is a dynamic one.
>>
>>>But I am sure that you will rather
>>>find any way how to answer this question without giving the number (that
>>>is
>>>correct answer).
>>
>>The effectiveness of the 2PD Approach is measured by the percentage of
>>folks who respond. As long as the number of non-responders is 0 (zero),
>>the percentage will remain 100% no matter how large the number of
>>responders grows. As far as I know, there is no other diet or diet
>>approach that can make the claim of being 100% effective for bringing
>>about weight loss. Moreover, 100% of those who have been using the 2PD
>>Approach for more than 5 years are lighter than their *before* weight
>>(i.e. none of these veteran 2PDers are heavier). So yes, the 2PD
>>Approach is now one way to "cure" obesity.
>
> Yes, I knew it. No number, just fuzzy talk we are already used to.

Part of it is because the 2PD isn't more than 5 years old. Chung
claims there are people who have been doing it for more than that.

Bob

> No problem, I did not hold my breath. I know you very well already...
>
> Mirek

Must you cross post this crap into alt.support.diabetes?
We don't want it.
Take outside, as the bartender said.

Bob (this one) wrote:

> Mirek Fídler wrote:
>
>>>> But that is not number of responders.
>>>
>>>
>>> The number of responders is a dynamic one.
>>>
>>>> But I am sure that you will rather
>>>> find any way how to answer this question without giving the number
>>>> (that is
>>>> correct answer).
>>>
>>>
>>> The effectiveness of the 2PD Approach is measured by the percentage of
>>> folks who respond. As long as the number of non-responders is 0 (zero),
>>> the percentage will remain 100% no matter how large the number of
>>> responders grows. As far as I know, there is no other diet or diet
>>> approach that can make the claim of being 100% effective for bringing
>>> about weight loss. Moreover, 100% of those who have been using the 2PD
>>> Approach for more than 5 years are lighter than their *before* weight
>>> (i.e. none of these veteran 2PDers are heavier). So yes, the 2PD
>>> Approach is now one way to "cure" obesity.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I knew it. No number, just fuzzy talk we are already used to.
>
>
> Part of it is because the 2PD isn't more than 5 years old. Chung claims
> there are people who have been doing it for more than that.
>
> Bob
>
>> No problem, I did not hold my breath. I know you very well already...
>>
>> Mirek
>
>

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:29:53 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:

> Part of it is because the 2PD isn't more than 5 years old.

Correct.

I wondered where my PuppyDog Pastorio wandered off to.

Here, Boy.

<whistle> lol