Actually, he is right as always.

As there is nobody on 2PD for 5 years, there is also no failure, so 100% of
those that started 2PD 5 years ago (that is 0) is successful, so there is 0%
dropout ratio.

Andrew just likes these word/logic/truth games, you should knew it. That is
50% of reasons why he is (cross)posting to newsgroups.

Mirek

-------------
"Bob (this one)" > píse v diskusním príspevku
...
Mirek Fídler wrote:

>>>But that is not number of responders.
>>
>>The number of responders is a dynamic one.
>>
>>>But I am sure that you will rather
>>>find any way how to answer this question without giving the number (that
>>>is
>>>correct answer).
>>
>>The effectiveness of the 2PD Approach is measured by the percentage of
>>folks who respond. As long as the number of non-responders is 0 (zero),
>>the percentage will remain 100% no matter how large the number of
>>responders grows. As far as I know, there is no other diet or diet
>>approach that can make the claim of being 100% effective for bringing
>>about weight loss. Moreover, 100% of those who have been using the 2PD
>>Approach for more than 5 years are lighter than their *before* weight
>>(i.e. none of these veteran 2PDers are heavier). So yes, the 2PD
>>Approach is now one way to "cure" obesity.
>
> Yes, I knew it. No number, just fuzzy talk we are already used to.

Part of it is because the 2PD isn't more than 5 years old. Chung
claims there are people who have been doing it for more than that.

Bob

> No problem, I did not hold my breath. I know you very well already...
>
> Mirek

"Mirek Fídler" wrote (edited for more truthfulness):
>
> Actually, he is truthful as usual.

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

> Since being published in 1988, the 2PD Approach has been used by many for more than 5 years since the year is now 2004,

Indeed, personally I have been using the 2PD Approach for more than 7
years now.


> there is also no failure,

Correct.


> so 100% of
> those that started 2PD 5 years ago (that is many more than 1) are successful,

Correct.

> so there is 0%
> failure rate and 100% cure.

Correct.

> Andrew just loves the truth, you should know this by now.

Correct.


> This is the good work he is called to do.

Yes.

> Mirek

May God bless you on this Lord's day, in Christ's holy name.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> "Mirek F=EDdler" wrote (edited for more truthfulness):

>> Since being published in 1988, the 2PD Approach has been used by=20
>> many for more than 5 years since the year is now 2004,

"many..." No actual number.

He says this on his page with URL <http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp>

"In 1997, my wife and I watched an IMAX film about climbing Mt.
Everest and learned that despite their exhausting regimen, the
climbers consumed only 10 lbs of food per week. That's less than 2
lbs. of food per day! Since none of the climbers died from starvation,
I think it is safe to assume that 2 lbs. per day should be more than
adequate for us non-climbing folks.

"So I started a little experiment with the agreeable obese patients in
my care. I gave them ordinary food scales with instructions to weigh
everything substantial that passed into their mouths. The only things
exempted were water and sugar-free drinks. What I learned was that my
obese patients was consuming between 8 to 12 lbs. of food per day! At
the time, I was about 10 lbs. over my ideal body weight (ok, it was
more like 20 lbs) so I decided to find out how much I was eating per
day... 3-4 lbs. I cut back to less than 2 lbs. and was at my proper
weight in a few months."

>> so 100% of those that started 2PD 5 years ago (that is many more=20
>> than 1) are successful,

But never an actual number. No data to support that "many more than 1"=20
claim.

> Correct.
>=20
>> so there is 0% failure rate and 100% cure.

Except Chung never mentions how many there are actually doing it that
he knows of. It also implies that *everyone* who started it has stayed=20
with it. All are still alive. All are still in contact with Chung.

All puffery and claims; no documentation, data or testimonials to=20
support any of it. Lies followed by more lies.

Bob

"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
> Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > "Mirek Fídler" wrote (edited for more truthfulness):
>
> >> Since being published in 1988,


Oops. Sorry, I meant to type 1998.

Thank you for pointing out my error.

Please forgive me.

You remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Christ's holy name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior on this His Lord's
day.



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Andrew

--
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Bob, may I respectfully request that you stop cross posting this crap
into alt.diabetes.support

If not I will be forced to put you in the small exclusive club called
my killfile.

It is just cluttering it up. I am sure people in some of the other
newsgroups feel the same way.


Bob (this one) wrote:

<snip>
>
> Except Chung never mentions how many there are actually doing it that
> he knows of. It also implies that *everyone* who started it has stayed
> with it. All are still alive. All are still in contact with Chung.
>
> All puffery and claims; no documentation, data or testimonials to
> support any of it. Lies followed by more lies.
>
> Bob
>

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:07:27 GMT, URAQT2 wrote:

> Bob, may I respectfully request that you stop cross posting this crap
> into alt.diabetes.support
>
> If not I will be forced to put you in the small exclusive club called
> my killfile.

Egads. Pastorio is an exclusive club!

> It is just cluttering it up. I am sure people in some of the other
> newsgroups feel the same way.

They'll be fine and certainly don't need a spokesperson. MOF, since you and
relatively few others are complaining, considering the hundreds of ppl in
all these Xposted groups, you're in a minority, an "exclusive club" called
Whiners Who Want To Control Usenet. lol

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:07:27 GMT, URAQT2 wrote:

> Bob, may I respectfully request that you stop cross posting this crap
> into alt.diabetes.support
>
> If not I will be forced to put you in the small exclusive club called
> my killfile.

Egads. Pastorio is an exclusive club!

> It is just cluttering it up. I am sure people in some of the other
> newsgroups feel the same way.

They'll be fine and certainly don't need a spokesperson. MOF, since you and
relatively few others are complaining, considering the hundreds of ppl in
all these Xposted groups, you're in a minority, an "exclusive club" called
Whiners Who Want To Control Usenet. lol

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> "Mirek F=EDdler" wrote (edited for more truthfulness):

>> Since being published in 1988, the 2PD Approach has been used by=20
>> many for more than 5 years since the year is now 2004,

"many..." No actual number.

He says this on his page with URL <http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp>

"In 1997, my wife and I watched an IMAX film about climbing Mt.
Everest and learned that despite their exhausting regimen, the
climbers consumed only 10 lbs of food per week. That's less than 2
lbs. of food per day! Since none of the climbers died from starvation,
I think it is safe to assume that 2 lbs. per day should be more than
adequate for us non-climbing folks.

"So I started a little experiment with the agreeable obese patients in
my care. I gave them ordinary food scales with instructions to weigh
everything substantial that passed into their mouths. The only things
exempted were water and sugar-free drinks. What I learned was that my
obese patients was consuming between 8 to 12 lbs. of food per day! At
the time, I was about 10 lbs. over my ideal body weight (ok, it was
more like 20 lbs) so I decided to find out how much I was eating per
day... 3-4 lbs. I cut back to less than 2 lbs. and was at my proper
weight in a few months."

>> so 100% of those that started 2PD 5 years ago (that is many more=20
>> than 1) are successful,

But never an actual number. No data to support that "many more than 1"=20
claim.

> Correct.
>=20
>> so there is 0% failure rate and 100% cure.

Except Chung never mentions how many there are actually doing it that
he knows of. It also implies that *everyone* who started it has stayed=20
with it. All are still alive. All are still in contact with Chung.

All puffery and claims; no documentation, data or testimonials to=20
support any of it. Lies followed by more lies.

Bob