MJ wrote:
> What i find works best is crisco vegetable shortening... it melts when you
> use it and re hardens when it cools, which makes it easier to clean out..

A solid is easier to clean out than a liquid that can be simply poured
out?

Right.

Pastorio


> you
> can change it whenever you notice that your food has an old grease taste.
> Also depending what you are frying in it will depend on how long the oil
> will last.
> Hope this helps..

MJ wrote:
> What i find works best is crisco vegetable shortening... it melts when you
> use it and re hardens when it cools, which makes it easier to clean out..

A solid is easier to clean out than a liquid that can be simply poured
out?

Right.

Pastorio


> you
> can change it whenever you notice that your food has an old grease taste.
> Also depending what you are frying in it will depend on how long the oil
> will last.
> Hope this helps..

>If she needed it than she should go out and buy
>it. To me, buying house wares (esp of the ordinary
>sort such as a fryer) is just a cop out or lazy.
>Now... if I were that sports athlete, I'd love a
>week at basketball camp! I'd probably already have
>a ball, eh?
>Goomba

Well my mother must really hate her kids then because when we were growing up
we always gave her kitchen stuff. One year it might be a rolling pin. The
next year it might be oven mitts. I guess I better not give her the coffee
maker I bought for her this year. My dad is giving her a new set of pots and
pans. She'll probably divorce him for doing that.

>If she needed it than she should go out and buy
>it. To me, buying house wares (esp of the ordinary
>sort such as a fryer) is just a cop out or lazy.
>Now... if I were that sports athlete, I'd love a
>week at basketball camp! I'd probably already have
>a ball, eh?
>Goomba

Well my mother must really hate her kids then because when we were growing up
we always gave her kitchen stuff. One year it might be a rolling pin. The
next year it might be oven mitts. I guess I better not give her the coffee
maker I bought for her this year. My dad is giving her a new set of pots and
pans. She'll probably divorce him for doing that.

>If she needed it than she should go out and buy
>it. To me, buying house wares (esp of the ordinary
>sort such as a fryer) is just a cop out or lazy.
>Now... if I were that sports athlete, I'd love a
>week at basketball camp! I'd probably already have
>a ball, eh?
>Goomba

Well my mother must really hate her kids then because when we were growing up
we always gave her kitchen stuff. One year it might be a rolling pin. The
next year it might be oven mitts. I guess I better not give her the coffee
maker I bought for her this year. My dad is giving her a new set of pots and
pans. She'll probably divorce him for doing that.

> >"Tony P.
>
> I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts should
only
> be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit shallow to me. Sometimes
a
> practical gift is more appreciated in the long run.

Thank you! At least someone understands where i am coming from..lol.

">
> A solid is easier to clean out than a liquid that can be simply poured
> out?
>
Well the deepfryer i have does not have an insert to remove so pouring it
out is a pain..the oil spills all down the side of it and i hate cleaning a
greasy mess so i much rather just scrape out the shortening than have to
deal with the mess..

">
> A solid is easier to clean out than a liquid that can be simply poured
> out?
>
Well the deepfryer i have does not have an insert to remove so pouring it
out is a pain..the oil spills all down the side of it and i hate cleaning a
greasy mess so i much rather just scrape out the shortening than have to
deal with the mess..

>"MJumper" tmjo_97 grunts:
>
>> >"Tony Putz. farts:
>>
>> I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts should
>only
>> be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit shallow to me. Sometimes
>a
>> practical gift is more appreciated in the long run.
>
>Thank you! At least someone understands where i am coming from..lol.

What's to understand... on [the] wife's next birthday buy her a nice practical
broom... and let us know how long it took before she shoved it up your dumb
redneck ass.


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---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

>"MJumper" tmjo_97 grunts:
>
>> >"Tony Putz. farts:
>>
>> I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts should
>only
>> be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit shallow to me. Sometimes
>a
>> practical gift is more appreciated in the long run.
>
>Thank you! At least someone understands where i am coming from..lol.

What's to understand... on [the] wife's next birthday buy her a nice practical
broom... and let us know how long it took before she shoved it up your dumb
redneck ass.


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

>"MJ" tmjo_97 writes:
sumwun sed:
>> A solid is easier to clean out than a liquid that can be simply poured
>> out?
>>
>Well the deepfryer i have does not have an insert to remove so pouring it
>out is a pain..the oil spills all down the side of it and i hate cleaning a
>greasy mess so i much rather just scrape out the shortening than have to
>deal with the mess..

Large (commercial) deep fryers are fitted with drain petcocks (no one is going
to *pour* out the fat), often more than one so that a filtration unit can be
fitted... but filtration units are costly plus they take up a lot of valuable
kitchen space, and then the filtration unit also requires maintainence. So the
vast majority of commercial kitchens use solid shortening in their deep fryers,
which they periodically drain into a large pot and set into the walk-in reefer.
As it solidifys the particulates settle to the bottom, then it's a simple
matter to scoop back all into the now cleaned deep fryer except for the very
bottom portion containing the schmutz.
Solid shortening is also preferred as their is no chance of accidental
spills... at home, by placing your used solid shortening into your freezer
permits keeping it for up to a year, and not having to deal with accidental
spills.


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

>"MJ" tmjo_97 writes:
sumwun sed:
>> A solid is easier to clean out than a liquid that can be simply poured
>> out?
>>
>Well the deepfryer i have does not have an insert to remove so pouring it
>out is a pain..the oil spills all down the side of it and i hate cleaning a
>greasy mess so i much rather just scrape out the shortening than have to
>deal with the mess..

Large (commercial) deep fryers are fitted with drain petcocks (no one is going
to *pour* out the fat), often more than one so that a filtration unit can be
fitted... but filtration units are costly plus they take up a lot of valuable
kitchen space, and then the filtration unit also requires maintainence. So the
vast majority of commercial kitchens use solid shortening in their deep fryers,
which they periodically drain into a large pot and set into the walk-in reefer.
As it solidifys the particulates settle to the bottom, then it's a simple
matter to scoop back all into the now cleaned deep fryer except for the very
bottom portion containing the schmutz.
Solid shortening is also preferred as their is no chance of accidental
spills... at home, by placing your used solid shortening into your freezer
permits keeping it for up to a year, and not having to deal with accidental
spills.


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

DD@chi-town wrote:
> I'm getting my wife a deep fryer for Christmas, so that I can make
> French (Freedom) Fries with it.
>
> What is a good recipe for the oil?
>
> We've never owned a deep fryer before. How long can you keep the oil
> before dumping it? Do you need to keep it in the fridge?
>
Oil? Oil of pork (pastry lard) cooks hot without smoking, is cheap,
and stores well in the fridge after filtering. I get dozens uses out of
mine before it needs replacing. I filter it through paper towel and
store it in a big mason jar. I nuke it for 2 minutes to pour it out of
the jar when I need it.
Cam

DD@chi-town wrote:
> I'm getting my wife a deep fryer for Christmas, so that I can make
> French (Freedom) Fries with it.
>
> What is a good recipe for the oil?
>
> We've never owned a deep fryer before. How long can you keep the oil
> before dumping it? Do you need to keep it in the fridge?
>
Oil? Oil of pork (pastry lard) cooks hot without smoking, is cheap,
and stores well in the fridge after filtering. I get dozens uses out of
mine before it needs replacing. I filter it through paper towel and
store it in a big mason jar. I nuke it for 2 minutes to pour it out of
the jar when I need it.
Cam

ospam (DJS0302) wrote:

>>Did anyone ever think that maybe his wife asked for it for christmas...there
>>are many of times when i have asked for kitchen things..i enjoy cooking so
>>why wouldnt i want something to enhance my hobby.
>>Would you be offended if you were an athlete and someone bought you a
>>basketball????
>>"Tony P.
>
>I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts should only
>be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit shallow to me. Sometimes a
>practical gift is more appreciated in the long run.

If a practical gift is what the other person wants, then it is fine.
A gift should be something that the other person would like, not what
you think you would like or they should have.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral, 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

ospam (DJS0302) wrote:

>>Did anyone ever think that maybe his wife asked for it for christmas...there
>>are many of times when i have asked for kitchen things..i enjoy cooking so
>>why wouldnt i want something to enhance my hobby.
>>Would you be offended if you were an athlete and someone bought you a
>>basketball????
>>"Tony P.
>
>I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts should only
>be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit shallow to me. Sometimes a
>practical gift is more appreciated in the long run.

If a practical gift is what the other person wants, then it is fine.
A gift should be something that the other person would like, not what
you think you would like or they should have.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral, 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

>
> Oil in the pot is the most common cause of a kitchen fire, the Fire
> Department continually warn against this method. I witnessed a
> demonstration of what happens when the fat in the pot ignites and
have
> never used that method again, just too risky.
>
> Sheena

I don't believe I've ever seen anything in the media about deep frying
in a pot causing fires - unless the pot is untended. Only idiots would
walk off and leave hot oil on an active burner.

I regularly do hush puppies, onion rings and rosettes (Scandinavian
cookies) in hot oil in my deep electric frypan and have for decades,
without incident. It helps to have a brain if one is cooking.

N.

>
> Oil in the pot is the most common cause of a kitchen fire, the Fire
> Department continually warn against this method. I witnessed a
> demonstration of what happens when the fat in the pot ignites and
have
> never used that method again, just too risky.
>
> Sheena

I don't believe I've ever seen anything in the media about deep frying
in a pot causing fires - unless the pot is untended. Only idiots would
walk off and leave hot oil on an active burner.

I regularly do hush puppies, onion rings and rosettes (Scandinavian
cookies) in hot oil in my deep electric frypan and have for decades,
without incident. It helps to have a brain if one is cooking.

N.

DJS0302 wrote:

>>Did anyone ever think that maybe his wife asked for it for christmas...there
>>are many of times when i have asked for kitchen things..i enjoy cooking so
>>why wouldnt i want something to enhance my hobby.
>>Would you be offended if you were an athlete and someone bought you a
>>basketball????
>>"Tony P.
>
>
> I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts should only
> be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit shallow to me. Sometimes a
> practical gift is more appreciated in the long run.

Nope, doesn't have to be luxury items at all. But
should be something well thought out, and would be
desired and appreciated by the recipient. I have
my shallow moments.. but I also know a lousy gift
when I see it. One given for the *givers* benefit
is a lousy gift.
Goomba

DJS0302 wrote:

>>Did anyone ever think that maybe his wife asked for it for christmas...there
>>are many of times when i have asked for kitchen things..i enjoy cooking so
>>why wouldnt i want something to enhance my hobby.
>>Would you be offended if you were an athlete and someone bought you a
>>basketball????
>>"Tony P.
>
>
> I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts should only
> be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit shallow to me. Sometimes a
> practical gift is more appreciated in the long run.

Nope, doesn't have to be luxury items at all. But
should be something well thought out, and would be
desired and appreciated by the recipient. I have
my shallow moments.. but I also know a lousy gift
when I see it. One given for the *givers* benefit
is a lousy gift.
Goomba

"The Cook" > wrote in message
...
> ospam (DJS0302) wrote:
>
> >>Did anyone ever think that maybe his wife asked for it for
christmas...there
> >>are many of times when i have asked for kitchen things..i enjoy cooking
so
> >>why wouldnt i want something to enhance my hobby.
> >>Would you be offended if you were an athlete and someone bought you a
> >>basketball????
> >>"Tony P.
> >
> >I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts should
only
> >be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit shallow to me. Sometimes
a
> >practical gift is more appreciated in the long run.
>
> If a practical gift is what the other person wants, then it is fine.
> A gift should be something that the other person would like, not what
> you think you would like or they should have.
> --

Such a simple concept yet so hard for some people to grasp. But still I
think there is more to gift giving. If I buy someone a specific item that I
know they want, that's nice - but it is no different from giving them money.
Ideally you will know the person and get them something that they will love
but might not have thought of themselves.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"The Cook" > wrote in message
...
> ospam (DJS0302) wrote:
>
> >>Did anyone ever think that maybe his wife asked for it for
christmas...there
> >>are many of times when i have asked for kitchen things..i enjoy cooking
so
> >>why wouldnt i want something to enhance my hobby.
> >>Would you be offended if you were an athlete and someone bought you a
> >>basketball????
> >>"Tony P.
> >
> >I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts should
only
> >be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit shallow to me. Sometimes
a
> >practical gift is more appreciated in the long run.
>
> If a practical gift is what the other person wants, then it is fine.
> A gift should be something that the other person would like, not what
> you think you would like or they should have.
> --

Such a simple concept yet so hard for some people to grasp. But still I
think there is more to gift giving. If I buy someone a specific item that I
know they want, that's nice - but it is no different from giving them money.
Ideally you will know the person and get them something that they will love
but might not have thought of themselves.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

In article >, djs0302
@aol.comnospam says...
> >Did anyone ever think that maybe his wife asked for it for christmas...there
> >are many of times when i have asked for kitchen things..i enjoy cooking so
> >why wouldnt i want something to enhance my hobby.
> >Would you be offended if you were an athlete and someone bought you a
> >basketball????
> >"Tony P.
>
> I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts should only
> be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit shallow to me. Sometimes a
> practical gift is more appreciated in the long run.
>


His ex-wife definitely wasn't the kind who wanted appliances. The new
girlfriend on the other hand seems to have that Nordic love of
appliances.

In article >, djs0302
@aol.comnospam says...
> >Did anyone ever think that maybe his wife asked for it for christmas...there
> >are many of times when i have asked for kitchen things..i enjoy cooking so
> >why wouldnt i want something to enhance my hobby.
> >Would you be offended if you were an athlete and someone bought you a
> >basketball????
> >"Tony P.
>
> I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts should only
> be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit shallow to me. Sometimes a
> practical gift is more appreciated in the long run.
>


His ex-wife definitely wasn't the kind who wanted appliances. The new
girlfriend on the other hand seems to have that Nordic love of
appliances.

In article >, penmart01
@aol.como says...
> >"MJumper" tmjo_97 grunts:
> >
> >> >"Tony Putz. farts:
> >>
> >> I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts should
> >only
> >> be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit shallow to me. Sometimes
> >a
> >> practical gift is more appreciated in the long run.
> >
> >Thank you! At least someone understands where i am coming from..lol.
>
> What's to understand... on [the] wife's next birthday buy her a nice practical
> broom... and let us know how long it took before she shoved it up your dumb
> redneck ass.

Indeed! Sometimes a simple card is best.

In article >, penmart01
@aol.como says...
> >"MJumper" tmjo_97 grunts:
> >
> >> >"Tony Putz. farts:
> >>
> >> I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts should
> >only
> >> be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit shallow to me. Sometimes
> >a
> >> practical gift is more appreciated in the long run.
> >
> >Thank you! At least someone understands where i am coming from..lol.
>
> What's to understand... on [the] wife's next birthday buy her a nice practical
> broom... and let us know how long it took before she shoved it up your dumb
> redneck ass.

Indeed! Sometimes a simple card is best.

Tony P. wrote:
> In article >, penmart01
> @aol.como says...
>>> "MJumper" tmjo_97 grunts:
>>>
>>>>> "Tony Putz. farts:
>>>>
>>>> I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts
>>>> should only be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit
>>>> shallow to me. Sometimes a practical gift is more appreciated in
>>>> the long run.
>>>
>>> Thank you! At least someone understands where i am coming from..lol.
>>
>> What's to understand... on [the] wife's next birthday buy her a nice
>> practical broom... and let us know how long it took before she
>> shoved it up your dumb redneck ass.
>
> Indeed! Sometimes a simple card is best.

Wow! Has this drifted far from the original post!
I have a deep frier unit.
At his moment in time it sits on my back porch full of (frozen) rain water
awaiting an opportune time to continue onto its ultimate destiny - the dump.
Unless one has the need or desire to use a deep fryer on a more than weekly
basis they are just a counter headache.
The only advantage (and this could be a biggie) is they are safe! By that I
mean that to deep fry with an uncontrolled pot on a stove burner one must be
aware of it at all times. More kitchens (and - by extention) entire homes
have been burned down by a casual approach to a pot of hot oil than by any
other kitchen related cause.
Just my $.02
Ken.
--
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Return address supplied by 'spammotel'
http://www.spammotel.com

Tony P. wrote:
> In article >, penmart01
> @aol.como says...
>>> "MJumper" tmjo_97 grunts:
>>>
>>>>> "Tony Putz. farts:
>>>>
>>>> I thought the same thing. Apparently some people think that gifts
>>>> should only be luxury items like jewelry. That seems a bit
>>>> shallow to me. Sometimes a practical gift is more appreciated in
>>>> the long run.
>>>
>>> Thank you! At least someone understands where i am coming from..lol.
>>
>> What's to understand... on [the] wife's next birthday buy her a nice
>> practical broom... and let us know how long it took before she
>> shoved it up your dumb redneck ass.
>
> Indeed! Sometimes a simple card is best.

Wow! Has this drifted far from the original post!
I have a deep frier unit.
At his moment in time it sits on my back porch full of (frozen) rain water
awaiting an opportune time to continue onto its ultimate destiny - the dump.
Unless one has the need or desire to use a deep fryer on a more than weekly
basis they are just a counter headache.
The only advantage (and this could be a biggie) is they are safe! By that I
mean that to deep fry with an uncontrolled pot on a stove burner one must be
aware of it at all times. More kitchens (and - by extention) entire homes
have been burned down by a casual approach to a pot of hot oil than by any
other kitchen related cause.
Just my $.02
Ken.
--
http://www.rupert.net/~solar
Return address supplied by 'spammotel'
http://www.spammotel.com

Bob (this one) wrote:
> MJ wrote:
> > What i find works best is crisco vegetable shortening... it melts
when you
> > use it and re hardens when it cools, which makes it easier to clean
out..
>
> A solid is easier to clean out than a liquid that can be simply
poured
> out?
>
> Right.
>
> Pastorio
>
I bet the poster meant it was easier to dispose of - liquid oil is a
PITA to discard, whereas a semi-solid mass of shortening isn't.

N.

Bob (this one) wrote:
> MJ wrote:
> > What i find works best is crisco vegetable shortening... it melts
when you
> > use it and re hardens when it cools, which makes it easier to clean
out..
>
> A solid is easier to clean out than a liquid that can be simply
poured
> out?
>
> Right.
>
> Pastorio
>
I bet the poster meant it was easier to dispose of - liquid oil is a
PITA to discard, whereas a semi-solid mass of shortening isn't.

N.

wrote:

> Bob (this one) wrote:
>
>> MJ wrote:
>>
>>> What i find works best is crisco vegetable shortening... it
>>> melts when you use it and re hardens when it cools, which makes
>>> it easier to clean out..
>
>> A solid is easier to clean out than a liquid that can be simply
>> poured out?
>>
>> Right.
>>
>> Pastorio
>>
> I bet the poster meant it was easier to dispose of - liquid oil is
> a PITA to discard, whereas a semi-solid mass of shortening isn't.

Liquid oil goes tidily into a jug, bottle, can, bucket, etc. with (or
without) a funnel. Google funnels.

They're new, you know.

Pastorio

wrote:

> Bob (this one) wrote:
>
>> MJ wrote:
>>
>>> What i find works best is crisco vegetable shortening... it
>>> melts when you use it and re hardens when it cools, which makes
>>> it easier to clean out..
>
>> A solid is easier to clean out than a liquid that can be simply
>> poured out?
>>
>> Right.
>>
>> Pastorio
>>
> I bet the poster meant it was easier to dispose of - liquid oil is
> a PITA to discard, whereas a semi-solid mass of shortening isn't.

Liquid oil goes tidily into a jug, bottle, can, bucket, etc. with (or
without) a funnel. Google funnels.

They're new, you know.

Pastorio

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
m...
>
> I heard that McD's used to use beef fat for fries and changed to veg oil
due
> to health concerns. One book I read said that horse fat makes the best
> fries, but I do not think it is available at the A&P! For home frying you
> can use essentially any vegegtable oil - canola, peanut, corn, safflower,
> etc. You can also use shortening (such as Crisco).
>

Peter is correct. McD used to use beef tallow and the fries were superb!
They later went to a mixture of lard and vegetable shortening I understand
(probably cost saving). Now they use flavorless veggie oil. The fries aren't
worth eating now IMO. I've heard about the use of horse fat too Peter. As I
remember the horse fat was being used in Belgium. I use peanut oil for most
deep fat frying - chicken and pork still require lard though!

Charliam

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
m...
>
> I heard that McD's used to use beef fat for fries and changed to veg oil
due
> to health concerns. One book I read said that horse fat makes the best
> fries, but I do not think it is available at the A&P! For home frying you
> can use essentially any vegegtable oil - canola, peanut, corn, safflower,
> etc. You can also use shortening (such as Crisco).
>

Peter is correct. McD used to use beef tallow and the fries were superb!
They later went to a mixture of lard and vegetable shortening I understand
(probably cost saving). Now they use flavorless veggie oil. The fries aren't
worth eating now IMO. I've heard about the use of horse fat too Peter. As I
remember the horse fat was being used in Belgium. I use peanut oil for most
deep fat frying - chicken and pork still require lard though!

Charliam

In > Hahabogus wrote:

> It is never wise to gift your wife with things that you want to use.
> Or to gift your wife with required household equipment. (the snow
> tires I got her one year taught me that).

Were they whitewalls?


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Cheers

Dennis

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In > Hahabogus wrote:

> It is never wise to gift your wife with things that you want to use.
> Or to gift your wife with required household equipment. (the snow
> tires I got her one year taught me that).

Were they whitewalls?


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Dennis

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Ruddell > wrote in
:

> In > Hahabogus wrote:
>
> > It is never wise to gift your wife with things that you want to use.
> > Or to gift your wife with required household equipment. (the snow
> > tires I got her one year taught me that).
>
> Were they whitewalls?
>
>

Studded

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Type 2 Diabetic 1AC 5.6mmol or 101mg/dl

Hahabogus wrote:
> Ruddell > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>In > Hahabogus wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It is never wise to gift your wife with things that you want to use.
>>> Or to gift your wife with required household equipment. (the snow
>>>tires I got her one year taught me that).
>>
>>Were they whitewalls?
>>
>>
>
>
> Studded
>
Maybe he was hoping she'd put out if only he'd
gotten the snow chains?
Goomba

Hahabogus wrote:
> Ruddell > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>In > Hahabogus wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It is never wise to gift your wife with things that you want to use.
>>> Or to gift your wife with required household equipment. (the snow
>>>tires I got her one year taught me that).
>>
>>Were they whitewalls?
>>
>>
>
>
> Studded
>
Maybe he was hoping she'd put out if only he'd
gotten the snow chains?
Goomba