Michel Boucher wrote:

> Nancy Young > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>Crap, I worked many a holiday for FREE. Welcome to corporate
>>america.
>
>
> You should never work for free. If you do, your employer will fail to
> assess the value of your labour at its just rate and you will
> persistently be underremunerated. Of course, if you WANT to be
> underremunerated, then you're doing the right thing (I am of course
> being facetious here).
>

As a salaried employee you have no choice.

--
Steve

Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked?

jmcquown wrote:


> (taking facetiousness into account) Of course she means she was on
> salary - there's another term for it I can't think of right now -
> therefore you don't get paid overtime for anything regardless of the
> date or time.

That's not necessarily true. We've had overtime pay for approved
situations my whole career.

> At times it's beneficial - you get paid for holidays
> you don't work. Hourly employees such as restaurant workers don't
> get paid if they don't work.

Full-time employees, regardless of salaried/hourly status, normally get
holiday pay or overtime pay for working them.



Brian

jmcquown wrote:


> (taking facetiousness into account) Of course she means she was on
> salary - there's another term for it I can't think of right now -
> therefore you don't get paid overtime for anything regardless of the
> date or time.

That's not necessarily true. We've had overtime pay for approved
situations my whole career.

> At times it's beneficial - you get paid for holidays
> you don't work. Hourly employees such as restaurant workers don't
> get paid if they don't work.

Full-time employees, regardless of salaried/hourly status, normally get
holiday pay or overtime pay for working them.



Brian

Nancy Young > wrote in
:

> (heh) Exempt workers or salaried workers are different from
> hourly workers. At some stage you are expected to just get the
> job done. No watching the clock.

But you're not working for free then. You just feel like you are. I
am a salaried and exempted worker (House of Commons staff, unionized
or not, must work to operational requirements which may include
weekends) and yet I wouldn't say I ever work for free. I will in
fact be working four hours on Saturday (my idea) to assist in meeting
operational requirements.

Managerial staff work until the task is completed. When I was a
manager, I got in early and often didn't leave until very late. I
didn't find it satisfying, not to mention exhausting, so I returned
to my previous position after nine months.

--

"It is easier for a rich man to enter heaven seated
comfortably on the back of a camel, than it is for
a poor man to pass through the eye of a needle."

Supply Side Jesus

Michel Boucher wrote:
> Nancy Young > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>(heh) Exempt workers or salaried workers are different from
>>hourly workers. At some stage you are expected to just get the
>>job done. No watching the clock.
>
>
> But you're not working for free then. You just feel like you are. I

Good point. You're paid to do the job. If you can do it in 30 hours
fine, if it takes 80... so be it.

--
Steve

Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked?

Michel Boucher wrote:
> Nancy Young > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>(heh) Exempt workers or salaried workers are different from
>>hourly workers. At some stage you are expected to just get the
>>job done. No watching the clock.
>
>
> But you're not working for free then. You just feel like you are. I

Good point. You're paid to do the job. If you can do it in 30 hours
fine, if it takes 80... so be it.

--
Steve

Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked?

Steve Calvin > wrote in
:

>>>Crap, I worked many a holiday for FREE. Welcome to corporate
>>>america.
>>
>> You should never work for free. If you do, your employer will
>> fail to assess the value of your labour at its just rate and you
>> will persistently be underremunerated. Of course, if you WANT to
>> be underremunerated, then you're doing the right thing (I am of
>> course being facetious here).
>
> As a salaried employee you have no choice.

Are you saying that salaried employees must work for nothing?
Perhaps you mean they aren't compensated for overtime worked, but
then they should be making better money than hourly wage-slaves. If
they're not, then they need to kick some kapitalyist butt.

--

"It is easier for a rich man to enter heaven seated
comfortably on the back of a camel, than it is for
a poor man to pass through the eye of a needle."

Supply Side Jesus

Steve Calvin > wrote in
:

>>>Crap, I worked many a holiday for FREE. Welcome to corporate
>>>america.
>>
>> You should never work for free. If you do, your employer will
>> fail to assess the value of your labour at its just rate and you
>> will persistently be underremunerated. Of course, if you WANT to
>> be underremunerated, then you're doing the right thing (I am of
>> course being facetious here).
>
> As a salaried employee you have no choice.

Are you saying that salaried employees must work for nothing?
Perhaps you mean they aren't compensated for overtime worked, but
then they should be making better money than hourly wage-slaves. If
they're not, then they need to kick some kapitalyist butt.

--

"It is easier for a rich man to enter heaven seated
comfortably on the back of a camel, than it is for
a poor man to pass through the eye of a needle."

Supply Side Jesus

Steve Calvin > wrote in
:

> Michel Boucher wrote:
>> Nancy Young > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>(heh) Exempt workers or salaried workers are different from
>>>hourly workers. At some stage you are expected to just get the
>>>job done. No watching the clock.
>>
>> But you're not working for free then. You just feel like you
>> are. I
>
> Good point. You're paid to do the job. If you can do it in 30
> hours fine, if it takes 80... so be it.

Unless you have Scrooge for a boss, that should be about right.

--

"It is easier for a rich man to enter heaven seated
comfortably on the back of a camel, than it is for
a poor man to pass through the eye of a needle."

Supply Side Jesus

Steve Calvin > wrote in
:

> Michel Boucher wrote:
>> Nancy Young > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>(heh) Exempt workers or salaried workers are different from
>>>hourly workers. At some stage you are expected to just get the
>>>job done. No watching the clock.
>>
>> But you're not working for free then. You just feel like you
>> are. I
>
> Good point. You're paid to do the job. If you can do it in 30
> hours fine, if it takes 80... so be it.

Unless you have Scrooge for a boss, that should be about right.

--

"It is easier for a rich man to enter heaven seated
comfortably on the back of a camel, than it is for
a poor man to pass through the eye of a needle."

Supply Side Jesus

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Michel Boucher wrote:
> > Nancy Young > wrote in
> > :
> >
> >> Crap, I worked many a holiday for FREE. Welcome to corporate
> >> america.
> >
> > You should never work for free. If you do, your employer will fail to
> > assess the value of your labour at its just rate and you will
> > persistently be underremunerated. Of course, if you WANT to be
> > underremunerated, then you're doing the right thing (I am of course
> > being facetious here).
>
> (taking facetiousness into account) Of course she means she was on salary -
> there's another term for it I can't think of right now -

Exempt?

gloria p

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Michel Boucher wrote:
> > Nancy Young > wrote in
> > :
> >
> >> Crap, I worked many a holiday for FREE. Welcome to corporate
> >> america.
> >
> > You should never work for free. If you do, your employer will fail to
> > assess the value of your labour at its just rate and you will
> > persistently be underremunerated. Of course, if you WANT to be
> > underremunerated, then you're doing the right thing (I am of course
> > being facetious here).
>
> (taking facetiousness into account) Of course she means she was on salary -
> there's another term for it I can't think of right now -

Exempt?

gloria p

Puester wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
>
>>Michel Boucher wrote:
>>
>>>Nancy Young > wrote in
:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Crap, I worked many a holiday for FREE. Welcome to corporate
>>>>america.
>>>
>>>You should never work for free. If you do, your employer will fail to
>>>assess the value of your labour at its just rate and you will
>>>persistently be underremunerated. Of course, if you WANT to be
>>>underremunerated, then you're doing the right thing (I am of course
>>>being facetious here).
>>
>>(taking facetiousness into account) Of course she means she was on salary -
>>there's another term for it I can't think of right now -
>
>
> Exempt?
>
> gloria p

Exempt from state laws requiring overtime for 8+ hours a day or 40+
hours a week, overtime pay on weekends, holidays, etc. You make X
amount per year, period. No pay for overtime, whatever it takes it takes.

--
Steve

Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked?

Puester wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
>
>>Michel Boucher wrote:
>>
>>>Nancy Young > wrote in
:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Crap, I worked many a holiday for FREE. Welcome to corporate
>>>>america.
>>>
>>>You should never work for free. If you do, your employer will fail to
>>>assess the value of your labour at its just rate and you will
>>>persistently be underremunerated. Of course, if you WANT to be
>>>underremunerated, then you're doing the right thing (I am of course
>>>being facetious here).
>>
>>(taking facetiousness into account) Of course she means she was on salary -
>>there's another term for it I can't think of right now -
>
>
> Exempt?
>
> gloria p

Exempt from state laws requiring overtime for 8+ hours a day or 40+
hours a week, overtime pay on weekends, holidays, etc. You make X
amount per year, period. No pay for overtime, whatever it takes it takes.

--
Steve

Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked?

>We have eaten in a restaurant exactly once in 38 years on
>Christmas Eve and even though the service and food was very
>good, it made me feel VERY guilty that all the personnel
>involved were working and not able to be home with their
>own families at the time. And. no, I don't think it was their
>choice to work that day.
>
>I'll never do it again, even if the alternative is toast
>and tea or crackers and cheese for dinner. Holidays are for
>family and no one should HAVE to work.
>
>Anyone else?
>
>gloria p


We always eat out Christmas Eve and judging from the size of the crowds each
year so do a lot of other people. We've never gotten bad service or had to
deal with anyone who was miffed at having to work on Christmas Eve. Some of
them may not celebrate Christmas. Others may have plans for Christmas Day but
not any plans for Christmas Eve. Some may have volunteered to work Christmas
Eve if they could have another day off such as New Years Eve. Anyone who goes
to work at a restaurant knows they may have work on holidays.

Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> Puester wrote:
>
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >>Michel Boucher wrote:
> >>
> >>>Nancy Young > wrote in
> :
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Crap, I worked many a holiday for FREE. Welcome to corporate
> >>>>america.
> >>>
> >>>You should never work for free. If you do, your employer will fail to
> >>>assess the value of your labour at its just rate and you will
> >>>persistently be underremunerated. Of course, if you WANT to be
> >>>underremunerated, then you're doing the right thing (I am of course
> >>>being facetious here).
> >>
> >>(taking facetiousness into account) Of course she means she was on salary -
> >>there's another term for it I can't think of right now -
> >
> >
> > Exempt?
> >
> > gloria p
>
> Exempt from state laws requiring overtime for 8+ hours a day or 40+
> hours a week, overtime pay on weekends, holidays, etc. You make X
> amount per year, period. No pay for overtime, whatever it takes it takes.

Steve knows.

nancy

Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> Puester wrote:
>
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >>Michel Boucher wrote:
> >>
> >>>Nancy Young > wrote in
> :
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Crap, I worked many a holiday for FREE. Welcome to corporate
> >>>>america.
> >>>
> >>>You should never work for free. If you do, your employer will fail to
> >>>assess the value of your labour at its just rate and you will
> >>>persistently be underremunerated. Of course, if you WANT to be
> >>>underremunerated, then you're doing the right thing (I am of course
> >>>being facetious here).
> >>
> >>(taking facetiousness into account) Of course she means she was on salary -
> >>there's another term for it I can't think of right now -
> >
> >
> > Exempt?
> >
> > gloria p
>
> Exempt from state laws requiring overtime for 8+ hours a day or 40+
> hours a week, overtime pay on weekends, holidays, etc. You make X
> amount per year, period. No pay for overtime, whatever it takes it takes.

Steve knows.

nancy

Michel Boucher wrote:
>
> Nancy Young > wrote in
> :
>
> > (heh) Exempt workers or salaried workers are different from
> > hourly workers. At some stage you are expected to just get the
> > job done. No watching the clock.
>
> But you're not working for free then. You just feel like you are. I
> am a salaried and exempted worker (House of Commons staff, unionized
> or not, must work to operational requirements which may include
> weekends) and yet I wouldn't say I ever work for free. I will in
> fact be working four hours on Saturday (my idea) to assist in meeting
> operational requirements.
>
> Managerial staff work until the task is completed. When I was a
> manager, I got in early and often didn't leave until very late. I
> didn't find it satisfying, not to mention exhausting, so I returned
> to my previous position after nine months.

People never believe me that during tax season, 4 times a year plus
federal filing, I would work 20 hours a day. For days on end. Take
my word for it, I didn't get extra pay once I reached exempt status.

nancy

Michel Boucher wrote:
>
> Nancy Young > wrote in
> :
>
> > (heh) Exempt workers or salaried workers are different from
> > hourly workers. At some stage you are expected to just get the
> > job done. No watching the clock.
>
> But you're not working for free then. You just feel like you are. I
> am a salaried and exempted worker (House of Commons staff, unionized
> or not, must work to operational requirements which may include
> weekends) and yet I wouldn't say I ever work for free. I will in
> fact be working four hours on Saturday (my idea) to assist in meeting
> operational requirements.
>
> Managerial staff work until the task is completed. When I was a
> manager, I got in early and often didn't leave until very late. I
> didn't find it satisfying, not to mention exhausting, so I returned
> to my previous position after nine months.

People never believe me that during tax season, 4 times a year plus
federal filing, I would work 20 hours a day. For days on end. Take
my word for it, I didn't get extra pay once I reached exempt status.

nancy

Default User wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>
>
>>(taking facetiousness into account) Of course she means she was on
>>salary - there's another term for it I can't think of right now -
>>therefore you don't get paid overtime for anything regardless of the
>>date or time.
>
>
> That's not necessarily true. We've had overtime pay for approved
> situations my whole career.
>
>
>>At times it's beneficial - you get paid for holidays
>>you don't work. Hourly employees such as restaurant workers don't
>>get paid if they don't work.
>
>
> Full-time employees, regardless of salaried/hourly status, normally get
> holiday pay or overtime pay for working them.
>
>
>
> Brian

You worked for a nice boss then. No way that the laws say that, at
least in New York. The best I get in those situations is some time
off, and that's a big maybe.

--
Steve

Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked?

Default User wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>
>
>>(taking facetiousness into account) Of course she means she was on
>>salary - there's another term for it I can't think of right now -
>>therefore you don't get paid overtime for anything regardless of the
>>date or time.
>
>
> That's not necessarily true. We've had overtime pay for approved
> situations my whole career.
>
>
>>At times it's beneficial - you get paid for holidays
>>you don't work. Hourly employees such as restaurant workers don't
>>get paid if they don't work.
>
>
> Full-time employees, regardless of salaried/hourly status, normally get
> holiday pay or overtime pay for working them.
>
>
>
> Brian

You worked for a nice boss then. No way that the laws say that, at
least in New York. The best I get in those situations is some time
off, and that's a big maybe.

--
Steve

Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked?

>One year (perhaps a lot of years, I don't know), the post office
>offered Christmas day delivery. I thought, man, that's terrible.
>Then I thought, get a grip, why do you assume all the employees
>are Christians. Probably a lot of employees of different religions
>were happy to get double time for working Christmas.
>

When I was in radio I had to work every year on Christmas day; usually it was
playing a Christmas version of a syndicated rock show like Flashback or Rock
On. I didn't mind it, as I was able to bring my family over to the studios and
show them around. In the TV radio business, the people on the lowest rung of
the station always have to work on Christmas.

Michael O'Connor - Modern Renaissance Man

"The likelihood of one individual being right increases in a direct proportion
to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong."

>One year (perhaps a lot of years, I don't know), the post office
>offered Christmas day delivery. I thought, man, that's terrible.
>Then I thought, get a grip, why do you assume all the employees
>are Christians. Probably a lot of employees of different religions
>were happy to get double time for working Christmas.
>

When I was in radio I had to work every year on Christmas day; usually it was
playing a Christmas version of a syndicated rock show like Flashback or Rock
On. I didn't mind it, as I was able to bring my family over to the studios and
show them around. In the TV radio business, the people on the lowest rung of
the station always have to work on Christmas.

Michael O'Connor - Modern Renaissance Man

"The likelihood of one individual being right increases in a direct proportion
to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong."

Mpoconnor7 wrote:

> When I was in radio I had to work every year on Christmas day; usually it was
> playing a Christmas version of a syndicated rock show like Flashback or Rock
> On. I didn't mind it, as I was able to bring my family over to the studios and
> show them around. In the TV radio business, the people on the lowest rung of
> the station always have to work on Christmas.

No prob, everyone has to do it at times. It can be kinda fun.

nancy (didn't have the fun part)

Mpoconnor7 wrote:

> When I was in radio I had to work every year on Christmas day; usually it was
> playing a Christmas version of a syndicated rock show like Flashback or Rock
> On. I didn't mind it, as I was able to bring my family over to the studios and
> show them around. In the TV radio business, the people on the lowest rung of
> the station always have to work on Christmas.

No prob, everyone has to do it at times. It can be kinda fun.

nancy (didn't have the fun part)

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:22:05 -0500, Nancy Young >
wrote:

>Mpoconnor7 wrote:
In the TV radio business, the people on the lowest rung of
>> the station always have to work on Christmas.
>
>No prob, everyone has to do it at times. It can be kinda fun.
>
>nancy (didn't have the fun part)

Same with nurses.

Christine, who will be working Christmas Eve night, but will be off on
Christmas day and night.

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:22:05 -0500, Nancy Young >
wrote:

>Mpoconnor7 wrote:
In the TV radio business, the people on the lowest rung of
>> the station always have to work on Christmas.
>
>No prob, everyone has to do it at times. It can be kinda fun.
>
>nancy (didn't have the fun part)

Same with nurses.

Christine, who will be working Christmas Eve night, but will be off on
Christmas day and night.

On 13 Dec 2004 23:10:20 GMT, Michel Boucher >
wrote:

>Nancy Young > wrote in
:
>
>> Crap, I worked many a holiday for FREE. Welcome to corporate
>> america.
>
>You should never work for free. If you do, your employer will fail to
>assess the value of your labour at its just rate and you will
>persistently be underremunerated. Of course, if you WANT to be
>underremunerated, then you're doing the right thing (I am of course
>being facetious here).

You've never had to work in a USA state that separated hourly and
salaried. I'm a paralegal who bills hours and am considered a salaried
employee (even though my billable hours nearly always exceed my
paycheck). Overtime does not apply to salaried employees, only hourly
employees (secretaries and other support staff - the *only* support
staff considered salaried are paralegals). Thus, I frequently work 60
hours a week without overtime. And my bonus is far larger than hourly,
but would never make up for the hours.

Case in point: we start a jury trial on Jan. 10 and I can plan on
putting in at least 2 - 4 hours after court recesses in the afternoon
(4:00 p.m., travel time 1 1/2 hours to get back to the office) to deal
with the ordinary, day-to-day stuff on *top* of trial-related issues,
putting me back home at about 10:00 p.m., give or take, then up to
rush to L.A. Superior at 8:00 a.m. And this is "best case scenario."
Worst case, I get a hotel room near my office (done before many
times), which is 40 mins. closer to L.A. Superior and see my husband
on weekends <steam!>

Why do I do it? I am damned good at what I do and helping the Bad Guys
go down in flames is a kick.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA


"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

On 13 Dec 2004 23:10:20 GMT, Michel Boucher >
wrote:

>Nancy Young > wrote in
:
>
>> Crap, I worked many a holiday for FREE. Welcome to corporate
>> america.
>
>You should never work for free. If you do, your employer will fail to
>assess the value of your labour at its just rate and you will
>persistently be underremunerated. Of course, if you WANT to be
>underremunerated, then you're doing the right thing (I am of course
>being facetious here).

You've never had to work in a USA state that separated hourly and
salaried. I'm a paralegal who bills hours and am considered a salaried
employee (even though my billable hours nearly always exceed my
paycheck). Overtime does not apply to salaried employees, only hourly
employees (secretaries and other support staff - the *only* support
staff considered salaried are paralegals). Thus, I frequently work 60
hours a week without overtime. And my bonus is far larger than hourly,
but would never make up for the hours.

Case in point: we start a jury trial on Jan. 10 and I can plan on
putting in at least 2 - 4 hours after court recesses in the afternoon
(4:00 p.m., travel time 1 1/2 hours to get back to the office) to deal
with the ordinary, day-to-day stuff on *top* of trial-related issues,
putting me back home at about 10:00 p.m., give or take, then up to
rush to L.A. Superior at 8:00 a.m. And this is "best case scenario."
Worst case, I get a hotel room near my office (done before many
times), which is 40 mins. closer to L.A. Superior and see my husband
on weekends <steam!>

Why do I do it? I am damned good at what I do and helping the Bad Guys
go down in flames is a kick.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA


"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

Steve Calvin wrote:
> Default User wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> (taking facetiousness into account) Of course she means she was on
>>> salary - there's another term for it I can't think of right now -
>>> therefore you don't get paid overtime for anything regardless of the
>>> date or time.
>>
>>
>> That's not necessarily true. We've had overtime pay for approved
>> situations my whole career.
>>
>>
>>> At times it's beneficial - you get paid for holidays
>>> you don't work. Hourly employees such as restaurant workers don't
>>> get paid if they don't work.
>>
>>
>> Full-time employees, regardless of salaried/hourly status, normally
>> get holiday pay or overtime pay for working them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian
>
> You worked for a nice boss then. No way that the laws say that, at
> least in New York. The best I get in those situations is some time
> off, and that's a big maybe.

Exactly. "Comp time" - meaning you can take the hours off later IF the
timing is right. I've never been paid overtime as an exempt salaried
employee.

Jill

Steve Calvin wrote:
> Default User wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> (taking facetiousness into account) Of course she means she was on
>>> salary - there's another term for it I can't think of right now -
>>> therefore you don't get paid overtime for anything regardless of the
>>> date or time.
>>
>>
>> That's not necessarily true. We've had overtime pay for approved
>> situations my whole career.
>>
>>
>>> At times it's beneficial - you get paid for holidays
>>> you don't work. Hourly employees such as restaurant workers don't
>>> get paid if they don't work.
>>
>>
>> Full-time employees, regardless of salaried/hourly status, normally
>> get holiday pay or overtime pay for working them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian
>
> You worked for a nice boss then. No way that the laws say that, at
> least in New York. The best I get in those situations is some time
> off, and that's a big maybe.

Exactly. "Comp time" - meaning you can take the hours off later IF the
timing is right. I've never been paid overtime as an exempt salaried
employee.

Jill

Steve Calvin wrote:

> Default User wrote:

> > Full-time employees, regardless of salaried/hourly status, normally
> > get holiday pay or overtime pay for working them.

> You worked for a nice boss then. No way that the laws say that, at
> least in New York. The best I get in those situations is some time
> off, and that's a big maybe.

The laws don't say that, but many employers that require people to come
in on the holidays, assuming it's not part of normal business practice
(hospitals, hotels, etc.) will compensate.

For hourly employees, overtime is legislated. That's why companies like
mine are always worried about treating salaried too much like hourly.


Brian

Steve Calvin wrote:

> Default User wrote:

> > Full-time employees, regardless of salaried/hourly status, normally
> > get holiday pay or overtime pay for working them.

> You worked for a nice boss then. No way that the laws say that, at
> least in New York. The best I get in those situations is some time
> off, and that's a big maybe.

The laws don't say that, but many employers that require people to come
in on the holidays, assuming it's not part of normal business practice
(hospitals, hotels, etc.) will compensate.

For hourly employees, overtime is legislated. That's why companies like
mine are always worried about treating salaried too much like hourly.


Brian

jmcquown wrote:


> Exactly. "Comp time" - meaning you can take the hours off later IF
> the timing is right. I've never been paid overtime as an exempt
> salaried employee.

Different companies do things differently. When I first started at
McDonnell 23 years or so back, they had just started paying for
required overtime. Note that that doesn't mean staying late or coming
in on Saturday of your own volition. That's still considered part of,
"getting the job done".

It means when the boss says, "you're working Saturday, all day" or
"we're going to 12 hour days for the next two weeks". Overtime has to
get approved ahead of time.



Brian

jmcquown wrote:


> Exactly. "Comp time" - meaning you can take the hours off later IF
> the timing is right. I've never been paid overtime as an exempt
> salaried employee.

Different companies do things differently. When I first started at
McDonnell 23 years or so back, they had just started paying for
required overtime. Note that that doesn't mean staying late or coming
in on Saturday of your own volition. That's still considered part of,
"getting the job done".

It means when the boss says, "you're working Saturday, all day" or
"we're going to 12 hour days for the next two weeks". Overtime has to
get approved ahead of time.



Brian

Steve Calvin wrote:

> Exempt from state laws requiring overtime for 8+ hours a day or 40+
> hours a week, overtime pay on weekends, holidays, etc. You make X
> amount per year, period. No pay for overtime, whatever it takes it
> takes.


Federal law, actually. Businesses have been trying to chip away at some
of these laws recently.



Brian

Steve Calvin wrote:

> Exempt from state laws requiring overtime for 8+ hours a day or 40+
> hours a week, overtime pay on weekends, holidays, etc. You make X
> amount per year, period. No pay for overtime, whatever it takes it
> takes.


Federal law, actually. Businesses have been trying to chip away at some
of these laws recently.



Brian

"Puester" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> We have eaten in a restaurant exactly once in 38 years on
> Christmas Eve and even though the service and food was very
> good, it made me feel VERY guilty that all the personnel
> involved were working and not able to be home with their
> own families at the time. And. no, I don't think it was their
> choice to work that day.
>
> I'll never do it again, even if the alternative is toast
> and tea or crackers and cheese for dinner. Holidays are for
> family and no one should HAVE to work.
>
> Anyone else?
>
> gloria p

There are many places open on Xmas eve and Xmas day as well. Although
sometimes it is voluntary on other occasions it is just part of their
schedule.

Early one Xmas morning I needed something and the local supermarket was open
short hours. After going through the checkstand I thanked the stock clerk
(freezer guy complete with gloves) for working that day. He looked me in
the eye and said, " for $50.00 an hour, I don't mind delaying my Xmas
dinner"

Dimitri

> No one? I'm glad there are some people willing to work on the holidays, and
> am very grateful to them. Think of your security alarm, if you have one.. it
> is monitored. 911 emergency operators, firemen, emergency room personnel,
> transportation personnel that ensure we get to our loved ones homes for the
> holidays.. and the list goes on.
> lucy

My father was in the military, and for most of my childhood he worked
the night shift. Mom worked days, so I always had a parent available.
I can't remember a Christmas Eve he didn't work. I was woken up when he
got home so we could open presents. Santa always managed to make his
deliveries before Daddy got home. :-)

--Charlene

--
THE TERMITE
Some primal termite knocked on wood
And tasted it, and found it good,
And that is why your Cousin May
Fell through the parlor floor today.
--Ogden Nash


email perronnelle at earthlink . net

> No one? I'm glad there are some people willing to work on the holidays, and
> am very grateful to them. Think of your security alarm, if you have one.. it
> is monitored. 911 emergency operators, firemen, emergency room personnel,
> transportation personnel that ensure we get to our loved ones homes for the
> holidays.. and the list goes on.
> lucy

My father was in the military, and for most of my childhood he worked
the night shift. Mom worked days, so I always had a parent available.
I can't remember a Christmas Eve he didn't work. I was woken up when he
got home so we could open presents. Santa always managed to make his
deliveries before Daddy got home. :-)

--Charlene

--
THE TERMITE
Some primal termite knocked on wood
And tasted it, and found it good,
And that is why your Cousin May
Fell through the parlor floor today.
--Ogden Nash


email perronnelle at earthlink . net