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Felice Friese wrote:
> "Margaret Suran" > wrote in message > ... >> >> Not long ago, a bartender asked the man with me, after taking HIS >> order "And what will the LITTLE LADY have". I am not little, I am >> an old, fat woman. Before my escort could answer, I turned to him >> and said: "Tell the BIG CREEP that he will get me to order, if and >> when he addresses me instead of you". Yes, that is being >> condescending and insulting and should not happen. > > OK, everyone, let's hear it for Margaret, who must remember the days > when "ladies" gave their orders to their escorts, who in turn relayed > them to the waiter. And how about the "guest" menus which had no > prices and were given to the ladies and men who were presumed to be > guests? Only the host received a menu with prices, and he could then > recommend the lobster (or the meat loaf). > > Felice I have been in those restaurants where MY menu had no prices but John's did. I was like, uh... what's up with that? He said if I wanted to know the prices he'd exchange menus with me; he really didn't care or want to know! LOL But he doesn't order FOR me. When the server asks what we will have, he defers to me and I order what I want. Jill |
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Felice Friese wrote: > "Margaret Suran" > wrote in message > ... > >> Not long ago, a bartender asked the man with me, after taking HIS >> order "And what will the LITTLE LADY have". I am not little, I >> am an old, fat woman. Before my escort could answer, I turned to >> him and said: "Tell the BIG CREEP that he will get me to order, >> if and when he addresses me instead of you". Yes, that is being >> condescending and insulting and should not happen. > > > OK, everyone, let's hear it for Margaret, who must remember the > days when "ladies" gave their orders to their escorts, who in turn > relayed them to the waiter. And how about the "guest" menus which > had no prices and were given to the ladies and men who were > presumed to be guests? Only the host received a menu with prices, > and he could then recommend the lobster (or the meat loaf). > > BTW, I have a dear friend of 86 who consistently refers to women in > her circle as "the gals". I cringe, but since she's nine years > older than I am I keep my trap shut. > > Felice > > Hey, Felice, if you are 77, you are one year younger than I am. Here it is "girls". In New York City, "gals" is never heard, at least I don't hear it. It is also "Sweetie", "Honey", or other such words that makes my skin crawl, when males, sometimes young ones, address me. Or "Young Lady", when I am the oldest female in the room. There is something new now. that makes me almost as annoyed. Lately, someone will address me as "Mama" or "Grandma". I try not to scream, but I do not always succeed. The other day, when I said that I was not the person's grandmother, he said that in his culture it is a title of respect. I will try to remember it the next time it happens. Yes, I remember when a woman did not give the waiter her order, but told her escort what he wanted. I also remember the menus without prices, but that seems like an eternity ago, even if it still exists in some restaurants. No, not in the ones I frequent, only in the really expensive ones. Since i am a year older than you, do you have to respect me too?  ) |
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jmcquown wrote:
> Felice Friese wrote: > >>"Margaret Suran" > wrote in message ... >> >>>Not long ago, a bartender asked the man with me, after taking HIS >>>order "And what will the LITTLE LADY have". I am not little, I am >>>an old, fat woman. Before my escort could answer, I turned to him >>>and said: "Tell the BIG CREEP that he will get me to order, if and >>>when he addresses me instead of you". Yes, that is being >>>condescending and insulting and should not happen. >> >>OK, everyone, let's hear it for Margaret, who must remember the days >>when "ladies" gave their orders to their escorts, who in turn relayed >>them to the waiter. And how about the "guest" menus which had no >>prices and were given to the ladies and men who were presumed to be >>guests? Only the host received a menu with prices, and he could then >>recommend the lobster (or the meat loaf). >> >>Felice > > > I have been in those restaurants where MY menu had no prices but John's did. > I was like, uh... what's up with that? He said if I wanted to know the > prices he'd exchange menus with me; he really didn't care or want to know! > LOL But he doesn't order FOR me. When the server asks what we will have, > he defers to me and I order what I want. > > Jill > > Ditto. I could just see the explosion if I were to say "well, she'll have... " Yeah right. I do understand that it was once that way but I don't think it'll fly any longer. -- Steve Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked? |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:19:43 -0500, Steve Calvin >
wrote: >Ditto. I could just see the explosion if I were to say "well, she'll >have... " Yeah right. > >I do understand that it was once that way but I don't think it'll fly >any longer. I like having Crash order for me (it's kinda romantic, in an old-fashioned way). We have a pretty good mix of him ordering for me, me ordering for him, and each of us doing our own thing. Carol -- "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say, 'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.' Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me." *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_ |
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In article >, Margaret Suran
> wrote: > Not long ago, a bartender asked the man with me, after taking HIS > order "And what will the LITTLE LADY have". I am not little, I am an > old, fat woman. If you're fat, I'm Laura Bush. Old? Physically, you're not a spring chicken, but you've the attitude and spirit of a pullet. (I made that up). -- -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 11-29-04; Sam I Am! birthday telling; Thanksgiving 2004; Fanfare, Maestro, please. "Are we going to measure or are we going to cook?" -Food writer Mimi Sheraton |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:51:33 -0500, Nancy Young >
wrote: >Same here ... it's you guys, and no actual men might even be >involved. Beats that creepy 'gals' > I'm going to try to remember to look this up in my etymology book at the office, but IIRC, "gals" was an early 19th century reference to black female slaves (asbestos britches firmly in place here). Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner." -- Duncan Hines To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox" |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:57:39 -0500, Margaret Suran
> wrote: >Not long ago, a bartender asked the man with me, after taking HIS >order "And what will the LITTLE LADY have". I am not little, I am an >old, fat woman. Before my escort could answer, I turned to him and >said: "Tell the BIG CREEP that he will get me to order, if and when >he addresses me instead of you". Yes, that is being condescending and >insulting and should not happen. > Good for you, Margaret! This is condescending coming from the waiter. OTOH, the DH is old school and very sweetly orders for me by saying, "The lady will have..." If I had a power problem with it, he wouldn't do it. The way he handles it is gracious and a bit elegant. Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA "Just what kind of jackassery do I have to put up with today?" Danae in "Non Sequitur" To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox" |
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Nancy Young wrote:
> Terry Pulliam Burd wrote: > >>On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:51:33 -0500, Nancy Young > >>wrote: >> >> >>>Same here ... it's you guys, and no actual men might even be >>>involved. Beats that creepy 'gals' >>> >> >>I'm going to try to remember to look this up in my etymology book at >>the office, but IIRC, "gals" was an early 19th century reference to >>black female slaves (asbestos britches firmly in place here). > > > I had no idea of any such connotation or whatever, I just know I > don't like to be called gal. I don't mind being called girl, either, > except if it's in a work situation. > > nancy I always use something like: "and what would you ladies like to do?" or "what would you ladies like?" I've never had any negative feedback on that. But, I do think that women take it much more seriously than men do. Not a shot at all, just an observation. YMMV of course. -- Steve Did you ever notice that when you blow in a dogs face they get mad at you but when you take them for a ride in the car they stick their head out of the window? |
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"Margaret Suran" > wrote in message ... > Felice Friese wrote: >> "Margaret Suran" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>> Not long ago, a bartender asked the man with me, after taking HIS >>> order "And what will the LITTLE LADY have". I am not little, I >>> am an old, fat woman. Before my escort could answer, I turned to >>> him and said: "Tell the BIG CREEP that he will get me to order, >>> if and when he addresses me instead of you". Yes, that is being >>> condescending and insulting and should not happen. >> >> OK, everyone, let's hear it for Margaret, who must remember the >> days when "ladies" gave their orders to their escorts, who in turn >> relayed them to the waiter. And how about the "guest" menus which >> had no prices and were given to the ladies and men who were >> presumed to be guests? Only the host received a menu with prices, >> and he could then recommend the lobster (or the meat loaf). >> >> BTW, I have a dear friend of 86 who consistently refers to women in >> her circle as "the gals". I cringe, but since she's nine years >> older than I am I keep my trap shut. >> >> Felice >> > Hey, Felice, if you are 77, you are one year younger than I am. Here it > is "girls". In New York City, "gals" is never heard, at least I don't > hear it. It is also "Sweetie", "Honey", or other such words that makes my > skin crawl, when males, sometimes young ones, address me. Or "Young > Lady", when I am the oldest female in the room. > > There is something new now. that makes me almost as annoyed. Lately, > someone will address me as "Mama" or "Grandma". I try not to scream, but > I do not always succeed. The other day, when I said that I was not the > person's grandmother, he said that in his culture it is a title of > respect. I will try to remember it the next time it happens. > > Yes, I remember when a woman did not give the waiter her order, but told > her escort what he wanted. I also remember the menus without prices, but > that seems like an eternity ago, even if it still exists in some > restaurants. No, not in the ones I frequent, only in the really expensive > ones. > > Since i am a year older than you, do you have to respect me too? )Fer sure, Margaret, you've earned it not only for your age but for your reputation as a present-day Perle Mesta. But if you ever refer to me as a "girl" ... Felice |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:45:40 -0500, Nancy Young >
wrote: >Terry Pulliam Burd wrote: >> I'm going to try to remember to look this up in my etymology book at >> the office, but IIRC, "gals" was an early 19th century reference to >> black female slaves (asbestos britches firmly in place here). > >I had no idea of any such connotation or whatever, I just know I >don't like to be called gal. I don't mind being called girl, either, >except if it's in a work situation. > I must have heard that apocryphally, as I did remember to look it up and etymonline.com sez: gal: slang pronunciation of girl, 1795, execrated as a Cockney vulgarism. Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner." -- Duncan Hines To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox" |
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Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote in
: > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:45:40 -0500, Nancy Young > > wrote: > > >Terry Pulliam Burd wrote: > > >> I'm going to try to remember to look this up in my etymology book at > >> the office, but IIRC, "gals" was an early 19th century reference to > >> black female slaves (asbestos britches firmly in place here). > > > >I had no idea of any such connotation or whatever, I just know I > >don't like to be called gal. I don't mind being called girl, either, > >except if it's in a work situation. > > > I must have heard that apocryphally, as I did remember to look it up > and etymonline.com sez: > > gal: slang pronunciation of girl, 1795, execrated as a Cockney > vulgarism. > > Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd > AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA > > > "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as > old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the > waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner." > > -- Duncan Hines > > To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox" > IIRC Buffalo gals from a olde song (Dance by the light of the moon)...circa 1800's reference to whores. -- Starchless in Manitoba. Type 2 Diabetic 1AC 5.6mmol or 101mg/dl |
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Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote in
: > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:45:40 -0500, Nancy Young > > wrote: > > >Terry Pulliam Burd wrote: > > >> I'm going to try to remember to look this up in my etymology book at > >> the office, but IIRC, "gals" was an early 19th century reference to > >> black female slaves (asbestos britches firmly in place here). > > > >I had no idea of any such connotation or whatever, I just know I > >don't like to be called gal. I don't mind being called girl, either, > >except if it's in a work situation. > > > I must have heard that apocryphally, as I did remember to look it up > and etymonline.com sez: > > gal: slang pronunciation of girl, 1795, execrated as a Cockney > vulgarism. > > Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd > AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA > > > "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as > old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the > waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner." > > -- Duncan Hines > > To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox" > IIRC Buffalo gals from a olde song (Dance by the light of the moon)...circa 1800's reference to whores. -- Starchless in Manitoba. Type 2 Diabetic 1AC 5.6mmol or 101mg/dl |
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notbob wrote:
> > On 2004-12-20, Kate Connally > wrote: > > > Anyone takes > > offense, that's their problem. ;-) > > So, why is "gals" any different? Don't know. Just is. Kate -- Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back, Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about? |
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Margaret Suran wrote:
> > Pan Ohco wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:50:54 -0500, Nancy Young > > > wrote: > > > > > >>notbob wrote: > >> > >>>On 2004-12-20, Kate Connally > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Anyone takes > >>>>offense, that's their problem. ;-) > >>> > >>>So, why is "gals" any different? > >> > >>There is something really condescending about it. Probably saw > >>women called 'little gal' too many times. > >> > >>nancy > > > > > > Sounds like reverse discrimination to me. > > > > (I'll just sit here and stir up my little pot, I'll not bother > > anyone.) > > > > Pan Ohco > > > > Not long ago, a bartender asked the man with me, after taking HIS > order "And what will the LITTLE LADY have". I am not little, I am an > old, fat woman. Fat? Since when? What have you been eating since I last saw you? Kate -- Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back, Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about? |
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Nancy Young wrote: > Terry Pulliam Burd wrote: > > > > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:51:33 -0500, Nancy Young > > > wrote: > > > > >Same here ... it's you guys, and no actual men might even be > > >involved. Beats that creepy 'gals' > > > > > I'm going to try to remember to look this up in my etymology book at > > the office, but IIRC, "gals" was an early 19th century reference to > > black female slaves (asbestos britches firmly in place here). > > I had no idea of any such connotation or whatever, I just know I > don't like to be called gal. I don't mind being called girl, either, > except if it's in a work situation. > > nancy I'm from Chicago - we say "guys". But a group of us whom have known each other forver started using "gals" with each other, just to irritate each other. Otherwise we say "chick" or "chicks" - like "Whazzup wid datchick?" Classy, I know. -L. |
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Nancy Young wrote: > Terry Pulliam Burd wrote: > > > > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:51:33 -0500, Nancy Young > > > wrote: > > > > >Same here ... it's you guys, and no actual men might even be > > >involved. Beats that creepy 'gals' > > > > > I'm going to try to remember to look this up in my etymology book at > > the office, but IIRC, "gals" was an early 19th century reference to > > black female slaves (asbestos britches firmly in place here). > > I had no idea of any such connotation or whatever, I just know I > don't like to be called gal. I don't mind being called girl, either, > except if it's in a work situation. > > nancy I'm from Chicago - we say "guys". But a group of us whom have known each other forver started using "gals" with each other, just to irritate each other. Otherwise we say "chick" or "chicks" - like "Whazzup wid datchick?" Classy, I know. -L. |
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