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One time on Usenet, Yeff > said:
> <http://www.popvssoda.com/countystats/total-county.html> > -Jeff B. (who lives in Maryland and drinks soda) Makes sense to me. My mid-Western grandparents came to Washington State back in the 40', and they always called it "pop". I did too, until I lived in Central PA for a year (and married someone from there), now I call it "soda". Too bad there's no data on folks who call it "soda pop"... ;-) -- J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~ "I rule you!" - Travis of the Cosmos, ATHF |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:12:00 -0600, Mike Beede wrote:
> In article >, Dan Goodman > wrote: > >> When I moved to Minneapolis around 1980, I had to keep remembering to say >> "pop" rather than "soda". But soda has been making inroads. >> >> But I still have to remember to ask for "black tea" rather than "regular >> tea." > > Okay, I live in the area and I have no idea what the difference between "black > tea" and "regular tea" is. As for pop vs. soda, it seems to be 99% "pop." What I usually want is what used to be just called "tea". That is: orange pekoe, the stuff Lipton's sells a lot of. Until I figured out that I had to ask for "black tea," I kept getting incomprehension from local servers. They weren't able to understand what I was asking for unless I said "black tea". (Note: Chinese and Southeast Asian restaurants have a different definition of "black tea". In the New York Metro area and the Catskills area, it's called "regular tea." Pop vs. soda -- I suspect there's a difference between local spoken and local written English here. "Soda" is quite common on the signs in stores attached to gas stations, and other stores in the same chains. I suspect this is usually because the corporate headquarters standardizes these things. Other stores: Roughly speaking, if it's a gourmet soft drink or if it's organic, it gets called soda". -- Dan Goodman Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies. John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician. |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:12:00 -0600, Mike Beede wrote:
> In article >, Dan Goodman > wrote: > >> When I moved to Minneapolis around 1980, I had to keep remembering to say >> "pop" rather than "soda". But soda has been making inroads. >> >> But I still have to remember to ask for "black tea" rather than "regular >> tea." > > Okay, I live in the area and I have no idea what the difference between "black > tea" and "regular tea" is. As for pop vs. soda, it seems to be 99% "pop." What I usually want is what used to be just called "tea". That is: orange pekoe, the stuff Lipton's sells a lot of. Until I figured out that I had to ask for "black tea," I kept getting incomprehension from local servers. They weren't able to understand what I was asking for unless I said "black tea". (Note: Chinese and Southeast Asian restaurants have a different definition of "black tea". In the New York Metro area and the Catskills area, it's called "regular tea." Pop vs. soda -- I suspect there's a difference between local spoken and local written English here. "Soda" is quite common on the signs in stores attached to gas stations, and other stores in the same chains. I suspect this is usually because the corporate headquarters standardizes these things. Other stores: Roughly speaking, if it's a gourmet soft drink or if it's organic, it gets called soda". -- Dan Goodman Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies. John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician. |
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On 21 Dec 2004 13:25:36 GMT, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Mike Beede > wrote in > : > >>> But I still have to remember to ask for "black tea" rather than >>> "regular tea." >> >> Okay, I live in the area and I have no idea what the difference >> between "black tea" and "regular tea" is. > > My guess is that regular tea would be iced tea. No. Not in New York State, or in California. At least in parts of the South, yes. > In England, I used to > have to fight with the staff to get a cup of tea without milk and sugar > already poured into it (and which had been sitting out on the counter > for what could amount to hours, coagulating). Instead of rinsing the > cup out or giving me a clean one, they would just pour out the mixture > and pour the tea over whatever was left in the cup... > I quickly gave up drinking tea in England. -- Dan Goodman Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies. John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician. |
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On 21 Dec 2004 07:41:49 -0800, Marge wrote:
> I used to say soda pop as a kid, how confused is that?? In some places, that's the usual term. > another one: I grew up in N. Cal, and loved eating toasted cheese > sandwiches. The deli's in NY never know what I'm talking about if I > order it that way -- it's grilled cheese here. -- Dan Goodman Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies. John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician. |
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On 21 Dec 2004 07:41:49 -0800, Marge wrote:
> I used to say soda pop as a kid, how confused is that?? In some places, that's the usual term. > another one: I grew up in N. Cal, and loved eating toasted cheese > sandwiches. The deli's in NY never know what I'm talking about if I > order it that way -- it's grilled cheese here. -- Dan Goodman Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies. John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician. |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:50:10 -0600, Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:19:26 -0600, Dan Goodman > wrote: > >>When I moved to Minneapolis around 1980, I had to keep remembering to say >>"pop" rather than "soda". But soda has been making inroads. > > So it was YOU who contaminated Crash's brain! I should have guessed. LOL > >>But I still have to remember to ask for "black tea" rather than "regular >>tea." > > What's the difference? There isn't any -- these are the standard terms in different areas. > I've never heard of black tea. In most Twin Cities eateries, that's what I have to ask for to get plain, ordinary orange pekoe tea. I had a lot of trouble till I found that out. Servers (both waitstaff and counter help) could not understand my explanations. Oddly enough, when I slip and ask for "stringbeans" rather than "green beans" I've always been understood. I've been told that "stringbeans" used to be the local term, so people still remember it. -- Dan Goodman Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies. John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician. |
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Joelle wrote:
>>Purists will tell ya that grilling is what most folks do. > > > Yea and purists will tell you that orange pop is not coke, but that's not > really what we are talking about...is it? > > Joelle > The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St > Augustine > Joelle I believe that the OP did ask what the difference was so *yes* it *was* what was being talked about. -- Steve Did you ever notice that when you blow in a dogs face they get mad at you but when you take them for a ride in the car they stick their head out of the window? |
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>I believe that the OP did ask what the difference was so *yes* it *was*
>what was being talked about. > No, I was the OP with regard to words for Sloppy Joes and my point was that in California they are called Sloppy Joes, in Wisconsin they are called barbeque and in Iowa they are called Taverns. The whole tiresome debate about what "real" barbeque has NOTHING to do with this discussion. This whole thread is about what people call stuff in different parts of the country...not a debate about cooking methods. Joelle The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St Augustine Joelle |
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Joelle wrote:
>>I believe that the OP did ask what the difference was so *yes* it *was* >>what was being talked about. >> > > > No, I was the OP with regard to words for Sloppy Joes and my point was that in > California they are called Sloppy Joes, in Wisconsin they are called barbeque > and in Iowa they are called Taverns. The whole tiresome debate about what > "real" barbeque has NOTHING to do with this discussion. > > This whole thread is about what people call stuff in different parts of the > country...not a debate about cooking methods. > > Joelle > The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St > Augustine > Joelle I really hate to have to do other peoples homework... Here is your post in it's entirety: *****Post start ***** Oh oh oh and what about grilling vs barbque? In California, if you cook it on the grill, it's a barbeque. So in Wisconsin I go to a barbeque and they serve Sloppy Joes! And in Iowa, barbeque or sloppy joes are called Taverns! Joelle The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St Augustine Joelle **** Post end ***** Seems to me like you asked what the difference was between grilling vs bbq in sentences one AND two. But rest assured that I won't bother to answer anything that you pose in the future. -- Steve Did you ever notice that when you blow in a dogs face they get mad at you but when you take them for a ride in the car they stick their head out of the window? |
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![]() "Julia Altshuler" > wrote in message news ![]() > Yeff wrote: >> <http://www.popvssoda.com/countystats/total-county.html> >> > > > > Love it! I call it soda. I grew up in Miami which, according to the map, > is a soda state. I now live in New England which is a soda area too. > That's what I always hear it called here. > > > --Lia ========================= Na-uh! Miami is a separate country... Most Floridians call it "Coke". "Soda" is only used by the Snowbirds or others who use the term so that the Snowbirds aren't confused! True story. LOL Cyndi |
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We call it soda, but in WI we called it pop.
Cantalope or muskmellon (sp?) Suzan |
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Rick & Cyndi wrote:
> ========================= > > Na-uh! Miami is a separate country... Most Floridians call it "Coke". > "Soda" is only used by the Snowbirds or others who use the term so that the > Snowbirds aren't confused! True story. I knew that about Miami being a different country. That's why I found the map so interesting. In my house, we called it soda. That's my mother originally from Jersey, my father originally from Philadelphia, my nanny originally from rural South Carolina, and all the attendant school and neighborhood friends. I called it soda at home and soft drink in restaurants but had heard of pop and coke. I like the way map put the terms in percentages. That leaves wiggle room for hearing it refered to a number of different ways. --Lia |
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Rick & Cyndi wrote:
> ========================= > > Na-uh! Miami is a separate country... Most Floridians call it "Coke". > "Soda" is only used by the Snowbirds or others who use the term so that the > Snowbirds aren't confused! True story. I knew that about Miami being a different country. That's why I found the map so interesting. In my house, we called it soda. That's my mother originally from Jersey, my father originally from Philadelphia, my nanny originally from rural South Carolina, and all the attendant school and neighborhood friends. I called it soda at home and soft drink in restaurants but had heard of pop and coke. I like the way map put the terms in percentages. That leaves wiggle room for hearing it refered to a number of different ways. --Lia |
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In article >, Joelle > wrote:
> No, I was the OP with regard to words for Sloppy Joes and my point was that in > California they are called Sloppy Joes, in Wisconsin they are called barbeque > and in Iowa they are called Taverns. The whole tiresome debate about what > "real" barbeque has NOTHING to do with this discussion. I'm from Wisconsin, and we always called them Sloppy Joes. Mike Beede |
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In article >, Dan Goodman > wrote:
> > I've never heard of black tea. > > In most Twin Cities eateries, that's what I have to ask for to get plain, > ordinary orange pekoe tea. I had a lot of trouble till I found that out. > Servers (both waitstaff and counter help) could not understand my > explanations. I ask for "hot tea" to distinguish it from iced tea. But I've never had that problem in the Twin Cities--just down South. Perhaps there's some strong regional variation even within the metro area. Mike Beede |
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In article >, Dan Goodman > wrote:
> > I've never heard of black tea. > > In most Twin Cities eateries, that's what I have to ask for to get plain, > ordinary orange pekoe tea. I had a lot of trouble till I found that out. > Servers (both waitstaff and counter help) could not understand my > explanations. I ask for "hot tea" to distinguish it from iced tea. But I've never had that problem in the Twin Cities--just down South. Perhaps there's some strong regional variation even within the metro area. Mike Beede |
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Damsel in dis Dress > wrote in
: > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:52:54 GMT, Wayne Boatwright > wrote: > >>I tend to use pop and soda interchangeably. > > My biggest problem has been Pepsi and Coke. You never know which one a > restaurant carries. I've finally reached the point where I just ask for > "diet cola, no ice." Covers all the bases. > > Carol David prefers Diet Pepsi, but he orders the you do in a restaurant. It's just easier. -- Wayne in Phoenix *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:51:35 -0600, Mike Beede wrote:
> In article >, Dan Goodman > wrote: > >>> I've never heard of black tea. >> >> In most Twin Cities eateries, that's what I have to ask for to get plain, >> ordinary orange pekoe tea. I had a lot of trouble till I found that out. >> Servers (both waitstaff and counter help) could not understand my >> explanations. > > I ask for "hot tea" to distinguish it from iced tea. But I've never had > that problem in the Twin Cities--just down South. Perhaps there's > some strong regional variation even within the metro area. The problem is that 1) An increasing number and variety of eateries have umpteen varieties of designer tea -- caffeinated, decaffeinated, herbal, tea and herbal mixtures, etc. 2) The servers I've run into are unable to grasp the concept of what I want unless I ask for "black tea." 3) Every place I'd previously lived, "regular tea" got me what I wanted. Someone who only wanted plain coffee could presumably be able to get it at the places with signs that say "Coffee and espresso". (Or "expresso".) Note: I live _in_ one of the Twin Cities. (Southwest Minneapolis, EHFNA neighborhood -- votes slightly left of San Francisco.) Things could be very different in the suburbs, or in some kinds of suburbs. Note: For a while the Wedge (my organically correct had "East Coast coffee" at their drink counter. I don't recall what was in it; I do recall that I'd never been anywhere on the East Coast where such coffee was served. -- Dan Goodman Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies. John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician. |
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PENMART01 wrote:
>>(Joelle) writes: >> >>I grew up in California and we called all soda "coke" Took awhile before my >>husband understood that "Get me a coke" meant "Get me a diet pepsi" ;-) > > > In Bean Town it's "tonic". My Grandmother in Maine still calls it tonic. --Charlene -- Christmas: A warm and cheery two-month festival that celebrates the joy of retail merchandise. -- Bayan, Rick; The Cynic's Dictionary, 2002 email perronnelle at earthlink . net |
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PENMART01 wrote:
>>(Joelle) writes: >> >>I grew up in California and we called all soda "coke" Took awhile before my >>husband understood that "Get me a coke" meant "Get me a diet pepsi" ;-) > > > In Bean Town it's "tonic". My Grandmother in Maine still calls it tonic. --Charlene -- Christmas: A warm and cheery two-month festival that celebrates the joy of retail merchandise. -- Bayan, Rick; The Cynic's Dictionary, 2002 email perronnelle at earthlink . net |
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>I'm from Wisconsin, and we always called them Sloppy Joes.
La Cross and Madison and Wausau -- nobody ever heard of Sloppy Joes that I knew. It was always barbe-que. I still remember when I first moved to Wisconsin being invited to "Come over for barb-b-que" - and wondering why we were inside and nobody had fired up the grill and then being handed a Sloppy Joe. Joelle The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St Augustine Joelle |
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>I'm from Wisconsin, and we always called them Sloppy Joes.
La Cross and Madison and Wausau -- nobody ever heard of Sloppy Joes that I knew. It was always barbe-que. I still remember when I first moved to Wisconsin being invited to "Come over for barb-b-que" - and wondering why we were inside and nobody had fired up the grill and then being handed a Sloppy Joe. Joelle The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St Augustine Joelle |
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In <FpOxd.57489$Jk5.42332@lakeread01> Mike Pearce wrote:
> "Levelwave©" wrote in message ... >> Mike Pearce wrote: >> >>> When I was growing up (I'm 46) this was true, but over the years >>> it's changed. Now most of the younger people will call it soda, but >>> the older folks will still say tonic. >> >> >> If I ask for a tonic there better be some Gin in it ![]() >> > > > Gin and tonic is wicked good. Yes it is! -- Cheers Dennis Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply |
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In > Mpoconnor7 wrote:
> I grew up in Pittsburgh, where they referred to soft drinks as "pop", > but Pittsburgh has some strange terms, such as "gum bands" for rubber > bands. Everywhere else I've lived it is referred to as "soda". Never heard of gum bands before. I know some areas call rubber boots gum boots and likely it's the same sort of logic (if any?)... -- Cheers Dennis Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:25:26 -0600, Dan Goodman >
wrote: >On 21 Dec 2004 13:25:36 GMT, Michel Boucher wrote: > >> Mike Beede > wrote in >> : >> >>>> But I still have to remember to ask for "black tea" rather than >>>> "regular tea." >>> >>> Okay, I live in the area and I have no idea what the difference >>> between "black tea" and "regular tea" is. >> >> My guess is that regular tea would be iced tea. > >No. Not in New York State, or in California. > >At least in parts of the South, yes. In Texas, which is honorary South, it was "coke" for everything at least up through the late 60s, early 70s. "What do you want to drink with that?" "I'll have a coke" "What kind?" The older folks at the time called it "soda pop" or, often, "sody (sic) water". |
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I seem to remember seeing a show that said Pekoe with tea referred to
the size of the leaves, pekoe is the term for the more ground up (cheaper) leaves that regular store brands usually use. Thought that was interesting, since I always thought it was a flavor. NYC has its own terms for how you want your coffee. Regular - cream and sugar; Light - extra cream; Black - no cream or sugar. (Anybody know where the "short/tall" that Starbucks and other coffee chains use comes from?) Then there's the submarine sandwich/poor boy/hero/hoagie/torpedo question, ha. We called it a sub, the delis here almost always call it a hero. |
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On 21 Dec 2004 16:48:12 -0800, "orion" > wrote:
>We call it soda, but in WI we called it pop. >Cantalope or muskmellon (sp?) I grew up eating muskmelon, but call it cantalope now. Is muskmelon typical for North Dakota? That's where my parents grew up. Carol -- "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say, 'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.' Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me." *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_ |
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On 21 Dec 2004 16:48:12 -0800, "orion" > wrote:
>We call it soda, but in WI we called it pop. >Cantalope or muskmellon (sp?) I grew up eating muskmelon, but call it cantalope now. Is muskmelon typical for North Dakota? That's where my parents grew up. Carol -- "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say, 'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.' Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me." *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_ |
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Yeff wrote:
> > <http://www.popvssoda.com/countystats/total-county.html> > > -- > > -Jeff B. (who lives in Maryland and drinks soda) > zoomie at fastmail dot fm Okay - I'm wondering what "other" was? Kate -- Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back, Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about? |
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Joelle wrote:
> > I grew up in California and we called all soda "coke" Took awhile before my > husband understood that "Get me a coke" meant "Get me a diet pepsi" ;-) > > Joelle > The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St > Augustine > Joelle I wish all the waiters and waitresses out there would learn that when I order a Coke, I don't mean "Pepsi". Grrr. I mean I don't have a Southern accent or anything. Kate -- Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back, Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about? |
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Marge wrote:
> > I used to say soda pop as a kid, how confused is that?? > > another one: I grew up in N. Cal, and loved eating toasted cheese > sandwiches. The deli's in NY never know what I'm talking about if I > order it that way -- it's grilled cheese here. That's not confused at all. Pop is just short for soda pop, which was the original term. I grew up in Pittsburgh where we always said soda pop (sometimes "sody" pop) or pop. Kate -- Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back, Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about? |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:04:42 GMT, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>Damsel in dis Dress > wrote in : > >> My biggest problem has been Pepsi and Coke. You never know which one a >> restaurant carries. I've finally reached the point where I just ask for >> "diet cola, no ice." Covers all the bases. > >David prefers Diet Pepsi, but he orders the you do in a restaurant. It's >just easier. No kidding. It saves a lot of hassle. Dams: I'd like a diet Coke, no ice. Server: We only have Pepsi products. Dams: <sigh> Okay, I'll have a diet Pepsi, no ice. Makes things easier for both the server and me. Carol -- "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say, 'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.' Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me." *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_ |
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I'm from Illinois, where there seems to be a split, the southern folks
calling it "soda" or sometimes "sody", the Chicago folks calling it "pop". We had an attorney in our law office who told a southern, rural secretary that she was stupid for calling it "sody". She was in tears, and I said to consider the source. She wanted to know what was correct, and I told her that the Chicago area people called it "pop", while the rest of us said "soda" or "sody", and that to be offended at what someone else called it was extremely petty and even ridiculous. I also told her that I was from southern Illinois but spent several years in Chicago, so I called it "soda pop", which everyone understood and offended people equally. As the attorney's supervisor, I had a chat with him about his behavior and suggested he apologise to the secretary, who happened to be our brightest and best and who happened to be very young. And after all that, guess whose work got done in record time by that secretary, and guess whose work got done at the very last minute! |
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My parents both grew up near Pittsburgh, maybe that has to do with why
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Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> > I grew up eating muskmelon, but call it cantalope now. Is muskmelon > typical for North Dakota? That's where my parents grew up. I grew up in southern Ontario. I remember it being called muskmelon when I was a kid, but somewhere along the line it became cantaloupe. |
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Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> > > Dams: I'd like a diet Coke, no ice. > Server: We only have Pepsi products. > Dams: <sigh> Okay, I'll have a diet Pepsi, no ice. > > Makes things easier for both the server and me. Damn those cola wars. Personally, I prefer Pepsi. It was interesting to read up on the "New Coke" when it was being discussed here <?> some time ago. A small percentage of the soft drink market means millions and millions of dollars to the pop companies. The Coca Cola company conducted a lot of blind taste tests to determine what people liked. Not surprising to me, what people liked best was Pepsi. So Coke altered it's formula to come up with something that was almost identical to Pepsi. The problem was that they hyped their new product rather than changing it gradually or just doing it quietly. That is understandable because so many people seem to be more affected by advertising than by the product itself. Consumers revolted against the New Coke. They demanded the return of the old Coke. At first it was a marketing disaster. Coca Cola dumped the New Coke and reintroduced "Coke Classic". While the new product bombed, there was a surge in sales of the old product and Coke ended up getting a ton of free publicity. |
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It was muskmelon in WI and cantalope in AZ. Isn't it odd that
different locales call the same thing by different names. I always thought it was. Suzan |
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