"Marge" > wrote in
oups.com:

> (Anybody know
> where the "short/tall" that Starbucks and other coffee chains use
> comes from?)

As far as I know, that's for espresso. Short is half a demi-tasse and
long is the same amount of grounds for a full demi-tasse. Obviously
short espresso is a lot stronger tasting than long. I always get my
espresso short and black.

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"Marge" > wrote in
oups.com:

> (Anybody know
> where the "short/tall" that Starbucks and other coffee chains use
> comes from?)

As far as I know, that's for espresso. Short is half a demi-tasse and
long is the same amount of grounds for a full demi-tasse. Obviously
short espresso is a lot stronger tasting than long. I always get my
espresso short and black.

--

[...] remember when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down 'ere on Earth!

Monty Python's Universe Song

Michel Boucher wrote:
> "Marge" > wrote in
> oups.com:
>
>
>>(Anybody know
>>where the "short/tall" that Starbucks and other coffee chains use
>>comes from?)
>
>
> As far as I know, that's for espresso. Short is half a demi-tasse and
> long is the same amount of grounds for a full demi-tasse. Obviously
> short espresso is a lot stronger tasting than long. I always get my
> espresso short and black.
>

Starbucks uses "tall" in relationship to espresso.

A short espresso is, I believe, actually a "ristretto," although *$
screws that as well by making it into something it is not.


jim

oh, because *$ has you order regular coffee by short and tall. Thanks
for the info.

oh, because *$ has you order regular coffee by short and tall. Thanks
for the info.

In article .com>,
"Marge" > wrote:

> I seem to remember seeing a show that said Pekoe with tea referred to
> the size of the leaves, pekoe is the term for the more ground up
> (cheaper) leaves that regular store brands usually use. Thought that
> was interesting, since I always thought it was a flavor.
>

From the rec.food.drink.tea FAQ:
<http://www.faqs.org/faqs/drink/tea/faq/>

'Pekoe' (pronounced 'PECK-oh') is derived from a Chinese word meaning
'white'; this referred to the white hair on the leaf bud. Early Western
merchants used the word to mean that the leaves so graded were
exclusively plucked from the tip of the branch: the leaf bud and the two
leaves below the bud. Its use in India and Sri Lanka broadened to mean
whole leaves of a uniform size, and this is what it generally means now.
This may include leaves picked from lower on the branch.

'Flowery Orange Pekoe' is often abbreviated 'FOP'. The term 'flowery'
apparently refers to the leaf bud, since actual tea flowers are not used
in the preparation of the drink.

'Orange' is variously described as a reference to the Dutch House of
Orange or as a reference to an old Chinese practice of including orange
blossoms as a flavoring agent. Whichever story is true, Orange Pekoe
leaves are higher quality than Pekoe leaves.

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In article .com>,
"Marge" > wrote:

> I seem to remember seeing a show that said Pekoe with tea referred to
> the size of the leaves, pekoe is the term for the more ground up
> (cheaper) leaves that regular store brands usually use. Thought that
> was interesting, since I always thought it was a flavor.
>

From the rec.food.drink.tea FAQ:
<http://www.faqs.org/faqs/drink/tea/faq/>

'Pekoe' (pronounced 'PECK-oh') is derived from a Chinese word meaning
'white'; this referred to the white hair on the leaf bud. Early Western
merchants used the word to mean that the leaves so graded were
exclusively plucked from the tip of the branch: the leaf bud and the two
leaves below the bud. Its use in India and Sri Lanka broadened to mean
whole leaves of a uniform size, and this is what it generally means now.
This may include leaves picked from lower on the branch.

'Flowery Orange Pekoe' is often abbreviated 'FOP'. The term 'flowery'
apparently refers to the leaf bud, since actual tea flowers are not used
in the preparation of the drink.

'Orange' is variously described as a reference to the Dutch House of
Orange or as a reference to an old Chinese practice of including orange
blossoms as a flavoring agent. Whichever story is true, Orange Pekoe
leaves are higher quality than Pekoe leaves.

--
to respond (OT only), change "spamless.invalid" to "optonline.net"

<http://www.thecoffeefaq.com/>

On pop vs. soda in the Twin Cities: in the Uptown Minneapolis Rainbow, the
what's-in-this-aisle sign says "soda".


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On pop vs. soda in the Twin Cities: in the Uptown Minneapolis Rainbow, the
what's-in-this-aisle sign says "soda".


--
Dan Goodman
Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood
Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com
All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies.
John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician.

"Dan Goodman" > wrote in message
...
> On pop vs. soda in the Twin Cities: in the Uptown Minneapolis Rainbow,
> the
> what's-in-this-aisle sign says "soda".

The grocery aisles here in Washington also say "soda", an argument that fell
on deaf ears with my then-girlfriend, a born-and-bred, who maintained
incorrectly that it was "pop".
--
Chris Lemon

http://fredsmythe.com
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Dan Goodman > wrote:
>On pop vs. soda in the Twin Cities: in the Uptown Minneapolis Rainbow, the
>what's-in-this-aisle sign says "soda".

They're going for the International flavor.

--Blair
"It's a marketing fad."