Diabolik wrote:

>
> > > The US can be accused of a lot of things, but being socially backward
> > > is not one of them.
> >
> > Any industrialized country without a national health system is
> > socially backward.
>
> ...and free education.
>
> If you're born poor in the US, your chances are next to zero to getting an
> education and living a high quality life.

??? There is free public elementary and secondary education in the US. There
are all sorts of scholarships to help the needy to get post secondary. I have
heard of several cases of very bright people going to very expensive American
universities on scholarships that made it even cheaper than attending
universities at home.

Diabolik wrote:

>
> >
> > Italy holds 80% of the artistic treasures produced
> > by the western civilization. Obviously you are
> > not interested in that. Easy to explain why you
> > prefer fast food to fine Italian dining.
> >
> > The opinion of a cultural troglodyte hardly matters.
>
> I was visting Venice one day when I heard an American tourist say:
>
> "Why don't they knock that building down? It's too old."
>

I have never heard Italian tourists say that here. But then, we don't
get many Italian tourists. They can't afford to come here :-)

"Diabolik" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paolo Pizzi" > wrote in message
> news
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > Italy is the only country there that I have visited
> > > that I would not bother to return to.
> >
> > Italy holds 80% of the artistic treasures produced
> > by the western civilization. Obviously you are
> > not interested in that. Easy to explain why you
> > prefer fast food to fine Italian dining.
> >
> > The opinion of a cultural troglodyte hardly matters.
>
> I was visting Venice one day when I heard an American tourist say:
>
> "Why don't they knock that building down? It's too old."
>
>

Btw, I'm not referring to all Americans.
I have many friends from the US.

Sloopy wrote:
> In article >,
> "Paolo Pizzi" > wrote:
>
>
>>Ron Hunter wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Somehow, I expect that you would get the same response
>>>from anyone from any other country in the world. Ethnocentrism.
>>
>>Nothing to do with ethnicentrism. The US is a socially backward
>>country. That's pretty much the opinion of the REST OF THE
>>WORLD, you know, those 5 billion people right-wingers like you
>>usually choose to IGNORE.
>
>
> That's why our entertainment is voraciously consumed worldwide and more
> people want to immigrate to the United States than any other country in
> the world...even Paolo couldn't wait to live in this great country.
>
> I can guarantee you I'd never move to Italy!
>
>
>
> -Sloopy

The facts (immigration rates) speak for themselves. If it is do bad
here, how come so many people are risking their lives, or imprisonment,
to GET here? And I don't ignore the rest of the world. There are a lot
of places I would love to visit (New Zealand, Australia, England, and
others) IF I had the money to enjoy the visit.

Diabolik wrote:

> "Paolo Pizzi" > wrote in message
> . com...
>
>>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Nothing to do with ethnicentrism. The US is a socially backward
>>>>country. That's pretty much the opinion of the REST OF THE
>>>>WORLD, you know, those 5 billion people right-wingers like you
>>>>usually choose to IGNORE.
>>>
>>>The US can be accused of a lot of things, but being socially backward
>>>is not one of them.
>>
>>Any industrialized country without a national health system is
>>socially backward.
>
>
> ...and free education.
>
> If you're born poor in the US, your chances are next to zero to getting an
> education and living a high quality life.
>
>
That is a pure copout. Tell it to the likes of Colin Powell. Tell it
to the multi-millionaire sports figures. Tell it to ANYONE who is
willing to work and who has the intelligence to come in out of the rain.

Diabolik wrote:

> "Paolo Pizzi" > wrote in message
> news >
>>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Italy is the only country there that I have visited
>>>that I would not bother to return to.
>>
>>Italy holds 80% of the artistic treasures produced
>>by the western civilization. Obviously you are
>>not interested in that. Easy to explain why you
>>prefer fast food to fine Italian dining.
>>
>>The opinion of a cultural troglodyte hardly matters.
>
>
> I was visting Venice one day when I heard an American tourist say:
>
> "Why don't they knock that building down? It's too old."
>
>
>
>
Yep. We are pretty much of a mind about the ancient. Get it out of the
way, get on with life. Out with the old, in with the new. On the other
hand, we also value things historic, like the 'House of Seven Gables'
and many people in the northeast live in houses built in the 17th
century. So which is better? You obviously believe the old is better
than the new. Fine. Keep it.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Paolo Pizzi wrote:
>
>
>>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Italy is the only country there that I have visited
>>>that I would not bother to return to.
>>
>>Italy holds 80% of the artistic treasures produced by the western
>>civilization.Obviously you arenot interested in that.
>
>
> There is indeed a lot of old art in Italy. Most of it predates the
> country of Italy itself. There is more to the world of art than the old
> masterpieces of past generations. If they had to rely on their
> contemporary contributions to the world of art they would be lost.
>
>
>>Easy to explain why you prefer fast food to fine Italian dining.
>
>
> Wow. There is a leap in logic. I stop at Tim Hortons for my coffee
> breaks, and I had a Subway sandwich last week because I had only a short
> break from an out of town training course to get my lunch. It's been
> years since I have even set foot in the Golden Arches or any similar
> fast food joint. I don't even consider that stuff to be food. I am more
> likely to grab a fresh sandwich from a delicatessen. I don't buy canned
> or frozen meals. I seldom use cans of anything. I usually cook with
> fresh ingredients and am fairly adept at cooking in a wide range of
> ethnic styles. And when I am feeling uninspired, I can resort to some
> Italian dish. Maybe some day I will find an Italian restaurant that
> offers something other than various shapes of pasta served with some
> variation of a tomato sauce.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>The opinion of a cultural troglodyte hardly matters.
>
>
You may find some of the Olive Garden offerings quite an eye-opener. I
know, it's a chain, but they aren't just pizza and beer.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Diabolik wrote:
>
>
>>>>The US can be accused of a lot of things, but being socially backward
>>>>is not one of them.
>>>
>>>Any industrialized country without a national health system is
>>>socially backward.
>>
>>...and free education.
>>
>>If you're born poor in the US, your chances are next to zero to getting an
>>education and living a high quality life.
>
>
> ??? There is free public elementary and secondary education in the US. There
> are all sorts of scholarships to help the needy to get post secondary. I have
> heard of several cases of very bright people going to very expensive American
> universities on scholarships that made it even cheaper than attending
> universities at home.
>
>
>
Yes, and government loan programs, available ONLY to the poor. Work
programs, scholarships both athletic and scholastic are also available.
If you REALLY want to get through college in the US, you can.

Ron Hunter wrote:

> The facts (immigration rates) speak for themselves. If it is do bad
> here, how come so many people are risking their lives, or
> imprisonment, to GET here? And I don't ignore the rest of the world.
> There are a lot of places I would love to visit (New Zealand,
> Australia, England, and others) IF I had the money to enjoy the visit.

Get real, every industrialized country is subject to mass immigration.
We know you're just a provincial idiot, but if you cared to read
international news, you would know that many people have actually
drowned in the Adriatic Sea to reach the shores of Italy. Oh yeah,
other people have died of exhaustion or freezed to death to cross
the Alps into Switzerland or Austria.

Not that anyone can expect compassion from you, you only quote
those who died to get here to make your country important and
thus believe that somehow you're better than those who don't know
if they'll survive one extra day. I hate to break the news, but you
HAVE NOT earned the privilege to be born and raised in a rich
country. You were just lucky and instead trying to help the less
fortunate, all you can think is to brag that your country is "#1"
and to do your best to keep the "hordes" of the desperates as far
away from your precious house as possible.

Yeah, basically THAT's what's wrong with humanity.

Paolo Pizzi wrote:

> Ron Hunter wrote:
>
> > The facts (immigration rates) speak for themselves. If it is do bad
> > here, how come so many people are risking their lives, or
> > imprisonment, to GET here? And I don't ignore the rest of the world.
> > There are a lot of places I would love to visit (New Zealand,
> > Australia, England, and others) IF I had the money to enjoy the visit.
>
> Get real, every industrialized country is subject to mass immigration.
> We know you're just a provincial idiot, but if you cared to read
> international news, you would know that many people have actually
> drowned in the Adriatic Sea to reach the shores of Italy.

It's a vacuum effect from the tremendous number of Italians who vacated
their homeland to head to the US, Canada, Argentina and Australia, all
countries which people immigrate to, not from.




> Not that anyone can expect compassion from you, you only quote
> those who died to get here to make your country important and
> thus believe that somehow you're better than those who don't know
> if they'll survive one extra day. I hate to break the news, but you
> HAVE NOT earned the privilege to be born and raised in a rich
> country. You were just lucky and instead trying to help the less
> fortunate, all you can think is to brag that your country is "#1"
> and to do your best to keep the "hordes" of the desperates as far
> away from your precious house as possible.

I consider myself to be lucky to have been born on this side of the
Atlantic. My ancestors left Europe for the US in the early 1600s, and when
the revolution came along they packed up and moved to Canada. They worked
hard to build the type of modern society that people come over to be part
of, not to get away from.

Dave Smith wrote:

> There is indeed a lot of old art in Italy. Most of it predates the
> country of Italy itself. There is more to the world of art than the
> old masterpieces of past generations. If they had to rely on their
> contemporary contributions to the world of art they would be lost.

Once again Dave, that's your ignorance speaking. Come one,
you shouldn't be ashamed of being a cultural troglodyte, but
you see, when you claim that Italy has no world-reknown artists
today, you only prove that you know absolutely NOTHING
about art... You can tell us what is "art" for you, come on, we
already know... Let me see: going to the "nudie bar", drinking gallons
of beer, watching football on tv, belching/farting loudly and making
fun of gays and minorities. Right?

>> Easy to explain why you prefer fast food to fine Italian dining.
>
> Wow. There is a leap in logic.

Really? Didn't you say that Italian food sucks?
Once again, as you have proven you know nothing about art,
you have also proven you know nothing about good food.
Relax, the two often go together...

> Maybe some day I will find an
> Italian restaurant that offers something other than various shapes
> of pasta served with some variation of a tomato sauce.

Thank you for yet again proving us how completely ignorant you
are about fine cuisine. People like you deserve the Olive Garden...

Ron Hunter wrote:

> You may find some of the Olive Garden offerings quite
> an eye-opener. I know, it's a chain, but they aren't just
> pizza and beer.

By all means, go to the Olive Garden and enjoy!
You wouldn't be able to appreciate any better Italian...

Diabolik wrote:

> Btw, I'm not referring to all Americans.
> I have many friends from the US.

Of course, but some idiots will never get it...
If I live in CA instead of Idaho, it's because
people in this country aren't exactly the same.

Ron Hunter wrote:

> Yep. We are pretty much of a mind about the ancient. Get it out of
> the way, get on with life. Out with the old, in with the new.

This is what really cracks me up, redneck fascists/racists pretending
to "speak" on behalf of the entire country. REALITY is that Federal
and local governments in the US are absolutely CRAZY about anything
that can be even forcefully be recognized as "historical" (often meaning
"built in the 1950s.")

Talk about being out of touch with their own country... But then
again these people still believe America belongs to the white and
any other culture or ethnicity who wants to be "different" than
the John Wayne image they delude themselves this country still
reflects upon should --like the cowardly troll with the alias zbzbzb
says-- "pack up and go!"

REALITY is that this country will become bilingual in about a
couple of decades. I'm really looking forward to seeing the
faces of the few cowardly racists who post on this group when
that happens!!

Paolo Pizzi wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > There is indeed a lot of old art in Italy. Most of it predates the
> > country of Italy itself. There is more to the world of art than the
> > old masterpieces of past generations. If they had to rely on their
> > contemporary contributions to the world of art they would be lost.
>
> Once again Dave, that's your ignorance speaking. Come one,
> you shouldn't be ashamed of being a cultural troglodyte, but
> you see, when you claim that Italy has no world-reknown artists
> today, you only prove that you know absolutely NOTHING
> about art... You can tell us what is "art" for you, come on, we
> already know... Let me see: going to the "nudie bar", drinking gallons
> of beer, watching football on tv, belching/farting loudly and making
> fun of gays and minorities. Right?

A cultural troglodyte might be better associated with the sort of
stereotyping that you are trying. I confess to belchng and farting after
drinking beer, but that's the reason I don't usually drink beer. I played
football in high school, but I do not watch it on television. Other than
suggesting that Sheldon sounds too ***, you don't read comments here by me
where I run down gays and minorities.

And where did I say there were *no* world renowned artists? .... I
disputed you claim that Italy holds 80% of the world's art treasures.

>
> >> Easy to explain why you prefer fast food to fine Italian dining.
> >
> > Wow. There is a leap in logic.
>
> Really? Didn't you say that Italian food sucks?

No. I said "Maybe some day I will find an Italian restaurant that
offers something other than various shapes of pasta served with some
variation of a tomato sauce."

>
> Once again, as you have proven you know nothing about art,
> you have also proven you know nothing about good food.
> Relax, the two often go together...

I know nothing about art? You know nothing about me. I probably know more
about art than you do. My knowledge of art extends beyond the religiously
inspired renaissance art of the former Italian city states.

> Thank you for yet again proving us how completely ignorant you
> are about fine cuisine. People like you deserve the Olive Garden...

And to think that I visited Italian to sample some of the alleged fine
cuisine only to find that it offers the same limited fare that I can get
in an Italian pasta joint here.

"Simone Kerby" > wrote in message news:<4046C770.6723.1DCF0FD@localhost>...
> AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>
> In general, which offers a more healthy diet?


It's different Lifestyles.... In Europe they still walk to go get
something(less and less each year though as they become more
"americanized")... the day i got my license here in the states is the
day i stopped walking to 7-11 which is ONE BLOCK AWAY!!! LoL

Everything in moderation is fine...stop being lazy exercise and enjoy
life... you'll live longer


>
> Americans tend toward fast foods, either take-out
> or home cooking that does not take too much time
> to prepare.
>
> In Europe, people still spend hours over a hot stove.
> People still stop at the market on the way home from
> work instead of weekly or monthly shopping as in
> North America.
>
> What are your favorite American dishes?
>
> What are your favorite European dishes?
>
> What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
> styles of cuisine?

Dave Smith wrote:

> I have never heard Italian tourists say that here. But then, we don't
> get many Italian tourists. They can't afford to come here :-)

That's weird because, you know, Italians are some of Europe's
biggest travelers. Maybe, just maybe, if you don't get Italian
tourists is because where you live is such a dump, they're simply
not interested.

Dave Smith wrote:

>> Get real, every industrialized country is subject to mass
>> immigration. We know you're just a provincial idiot, but if you
>> cared to read international news, you would know that many people
>> have actually drowned in the Adriatic Sea to reach the shores of
>> Italy.
>
> It's a vacuum effect from the tremendous number of Italians who
> vacated their homeland to head to the US, Canada, Argentina and
> Australia, all countries which people immigrate to, not from.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You are indeed an idiot.

> I consider myself to be lucky to have been born on this side of the
> Atlantic. My ancestors left Europe for the US in the early 1600s, and
> when the revolution came along they packed up and moved to Canada.
> They worked hard to build the type of modern society that people
> come over to be part of, not to get away from.

Guess what racist, Italians gave an ENORMOUS contribution to that.

Paolo Pizzi wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > I have never heard Italian tourists say that here. But then, we don't
> > get many Italian tourists. They can't afford to come here :-)
>
> That's weird because, you know, Italians are some of Europe's
> biggest travelers.

Yep. But the problem is that they only travel one way... away from Italy.

Paolo Pizzi wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> Get real, every industrialized country is subject to mass
> >> immigration. We know you're just a provincial idiot, but if you
> >> cared to read international news, you would know that many people
> >> have actually drowned in the Adriatic Sea to reach the shores of
> >> Italy.
> >
> > It's a vacuum effect from the tremendous number of Italians who
> > vacated their homeland to head to the US, Canada, Argentina and
> > Australia, all countries which people immigrate to, not from.
>
> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> You are indeed an idiot.
>
> > I consider myself to be lucky to have been born on this side of the
> > Atlantic. My ancestors left Europe for the US in the early 1600s, and
> > when the revolution came along they packed up and moved to Canada.
> > They worked hard to build the type of modern society that people
> > come over to be part of, not to get away from.
>
> Guess what racist, Italians gave an ENORMOUS contribution to that.

After fighting with us, then against us, and then with us, they decided
after WW II that they should come over and live with us. The society had
been created before they came.

Dave Smith wrote:

> A cultural troglodyte might be better associated with the sort of
> stereotyping that you are trying.

A cultural troglodyte is a racist like you who has a deep
hatred for a country that gave SO MUCH to western
civilization and to the building of the modern US.

> And where did I say there were *no* world renowned artists?

Hmm, let me see, maybe this?

> If they had to rely on their contemporary contributions to
> the world of art they would be lost.

> .... I disputed you claim that Italy holds 80% of the world's
> art treasures.

But that's because, like I said, you are indeed a cultural
troglodyte and you can't even understand your own
language. I said that Italy has 80% of the artistic treasures
produced by the *western civilization.* Prove me wrong,
if you can...

>> Really? Didn't you say that Italian food sucks?
>
> No.

Really? It seems you're flip-flopping just for the sake of
displaying all your hatred for Italians... Remind me, who
wrote this?

"I have been to Italy. I not impressed. There is some nice
scenery, but the food was very expensive and disappointing"

> I said "Maybe some day I will find an Italian restaurant that
> offers something other than various shapes of pasta served
> with some variation of a tomato sauce."

But that's because, once again, you are a cultural troglodyte
and you believe that the Olive Garden is actually Italian food.
Not to mention you have no idea a typical Italian meal is made
of three courses. You mean all they get is three different types
of pasta? ;-) You have been to Italy, right? ;-) (Yeah, right...)

>> Once again, as you have proven you know nothing about art,
>> you have also proven you know nothing about good food.
>> Relax, the two often go together...
>
> I know nothing about art? You know nothing about me.

I only know you by what you say and you said this:

> If they had to rely on their contemporary contributions to
> the world of art they would be lost.

So, obviously you don't know anything about modern art,
if you believe that there are no world-class Italian artists
in the world... You mean it was just racist BS? Come on,
you can say it...

> I probably know more about art than you do.

That's juvenile BS, let's just ignore it because it would
further qualifies for the cultural troglodyte you are.

> My knowledge of art extends beyond the
> religiously inspired renaissance art of the former Italian city
> states.

If you really knew something about renaissance art and if you
were able to actually appreciate it, you wouldn't claim that
there is nothing interesting to see in Italy. You see, you keep
contradicting yourself...

>> Thank you for yet again proving us how completely ignorant you
>> are about fine cuisine. People like you deserve the Olive Garden...
>
> And to think that I visited Italian to sample some of the alleged fine
> cuisine only to find that it offers the same limited fare that I can
> get in an Italian pasta joint here.

Once again, you're only showing your embarrassing lack of culture.
I'd say you've never even been to Italy, or else you wouldn't make
such ridiculous claims.

> > >> Nothing to do with ethnicentrism. The US is a socially backward
> > >> country. That's pretty much the opinion of the REST OF THE
> > >> WORLD, you know, those 5 billion people right-wingers like you
> > >> usually choose to IGNORE.
> > >
> > > The US can be accused of a lot of things, but being socially backward
> > > is not one of them.
> >
> > Any industrialized country without a national health system is
> > socially backward.
>
> ...and free education.
>
> If you're born poor in the US, your chances are next to zero to getting an
> education and living a high quality life.
>
You should tell that to my daughter. I didn't have money to give her to go
to college. Or to buy her a car. Guess what, she worked and got there
herself. She did qualify for financial aide, but instead she put herself
through college. Now she's a highly qualified and caring teacher.

Suzan

Paolo Pizzi wrote:

> > A cultural troglodyte might be better associated with the sort of
> > stereotyping that you are trying.
>
> A cultural troglodyte is a racist like you who has a deep
> hatred for a country that gave SO MUCH to western
> civilization and to the building of the modern US.
>
> > And where did I say there were *no* world renowned artists?
>
> Hmm, let me see, maybe this?
>
> > If they had to rely on their contemporary contributions to
> > the world of art they would be lost.
>
> > .... I disputed you claim that Italy holds 80% of the world's
> > art treasures.
>
> But that's because, like I said, you are indeed a cultural
> troglodyte and you can't even understand your own
> language. I said that Italy has 80% of the artistic treasures
> produced by the *western civilization.* Prove me wrong,
> if you can...

And those works of art were created when?


> >> Really? Didn't you say that Italian food sucks?
> >
> > No.
>
> Really? It seems you're flip-flopping just for the sake of
> displaying all your hatred for Italians... Remind me, who
> wrote this?
>
> "I have been to Italy. I not impressed. There is some nice
> scenery, but the food was very expensive and disappointing"

Finding the food expensive and disappointing means that I hate Italians?
You have a complex that calls for professional help.

> > I said "Maybe some day I will find an Italian restaurant that
> > offers something other than various shapes of pasta served
> > with some variation of a tomato sauce."
>
> But that's because, once again, you are a cultural troglodyte
> and you believe that the Olive Garden is actually Italian food.

I wouldn't know. I have never been to Olive Garden.


> Not to mention you have no idea a typical Italian meal is made
> of three courses. You mean all they get is three different types
> of pasta? ;-) You have been to Italy, right? ;-) (Yeah, right...)
>
> >> Once again, as you have proven you know nothing about art,
> >> you have also proven you know nothing about good food.
> >> Relax, the two often go together...
> >
> > I know nothing about art? You know nothing about me.
>
> I only know you by what you say and you said this:
>
> > If they had to rely on their contemporary contributions to
> > the world of art they would be lost.
>
> So, obviously you don't know anything about modern art,
> if you believe that there are no world-class Italian artists
> in the world... You mean it was just racist BS? Come on,
> you can say it...
>
> > I probably know more about art than you do.
>
> That's juvenile BS, let's just ignore it because it would
> further qualifies for the cultural troglodyte you are.

LOL.... like your idiotic comments and presumptions aren't the epitome of
juvenile.

> If you really knew something about renaissance art and if you
> were able to actually appreciate it, you wouldn't claim that
> there is nothing interesting to see in Italy. You see, you keep
> contradicting yourself...

No contradiction..... like I said, it's Renaissance art. It was done by
people of previous generations. I haven't contradicted myself, but you just
helped to prove my point. There is more to the world of art than Italian
Renaissance.

>
> > And to think that I visited Italian to sample some of the alleged fine
> > cuisine only to find that it offers the same limited fare that I can
> > get in an Italian pasta joint here.
>
> Once again, you're only showing your embarrassing lack of culture.
> I'd say you've never even been to Italy, or else you wouldn't make
> such ridiculous claims.

Let's just say that being stuck on a dirty, over crowded train that is more
than an hour late departing has left a bad impression.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Paolo Pizzi wrote:
>
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > >> Get real, every industrialized country is subject to mass
> > >> immigration. We know you're just a provincial idiot, but if you
> > >> cared to read international news, you would know that many people
> > >> have actually drowned in the Adriatic Sea to reach the shores of
> > >> Italy.
> > >
> > > It's a vacuum effect from the tremendous number of Italians who
> > > vacated their homeland to head to the US, Canada, Argentina and
> > > Australia, all countries which people immigrate to, not from.
> >
> > Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> > You are indeed an idiot.
> >
> > > I consider myself to be lucky to have been born on this side of the
> > > Atlantic. My ancestors left Europe for the US in the early 1600s, and
> > > when the revolution came along they packed up and moved to Canada.
> > > They worked hard to build the type of modern society that people
> > > come over to be part of, not to get away from.
> >
> > Guess what racist, Italians gave an ENORMOUS contribution to that.
>
> After fighting with us, then against us, and then with us, they decided
> after WW II that they should come over and live with us. The society had
> been created before they came.

Millions came before ww2. Do you know your history?

"Ron Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> Diabolik wrote:
>
> > "Paolo Pizzi" > wrote in message
> > . com...
> >
> >>Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Nothing to do with ethnicentrism. The US is a socially backward
> >>>>country. That's pretty much the opinion of the REST OF THE
> >>>>WORLD, you know, those 5 billion people right-wingers like you
> >>>>usually choose to IGNORE.
> >>>
> >>>The US can be accused of a lot of things, but being socially backward
> >>>is not one of them.
> >>
> >>Any industrialized country without a national health system is
> >>socially backward.
> >
> >
> > ...and free education.
> >
> > If you're born poor in the US, your chances are next to zero to getting
an
> > education and living a high quality life.
> >
> >
> That is a pure copout.

Sure, believe what you want.

> Tell it to the likes of Colin Powell.

You can only think of one person? Who else?

> Tell it
> to the multi-millionaire sports figures.

Sure, they get scholarships.
I'm refering to people who can't or don't get scolarships.

> Tell it to ANYONE who is
> willing to work and who has the intelligence to come in out of the rain.

Sure, they have to work VERY hard for it, and be very intelligent.
But for the rich it's different. They can be dumb and still afford
University.

That's the difference, it's an unequal system.

"Sloopy" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Diabolik" > wrote:
>
> > If you're born poor in the US, your chances are next to zero to getting
an
> > education and living a high quality life.
>
> I guess you're using yourself as a prime example.
>
> Loser.

LOL, maybe your one of those dropouts who could afford to go to Uni but
isn't very bright

"Orion" > wrote in message
news:33u2c.33365$qL1.18850@fed1read02...
> > > >> Nothing to do with ethnicentrism. The US is a socially backward
> > > >> country. That's pretty much the opinion of the REST OF THE
> > > >> WORLD, you know, those 5 billion people right-wingers like you
> > > >> usually choose to IGNORE.
> > > >
> > > > The US can be accused of a lot of things, but being socially
backward
> > > > is not one of them.
> > >
> > > Any industrialized country without a national health system is
> > > socially backward.
> >
> > ...and free education.
> >
> > If you're born poor in the US, your chances are next to zero to getting
an
> > education and living a high quality life.
> >
> You should tell that to my daughter. I didn't have money to give her to
go
> to college. Or to buy her a car. Guess what, she worked and got there
> herself. She did qualify for financial aide, but instead she put herself
> through college. Now she's a highly qualified and caring teacher.
>
> Suzan

Good for her.

Your daughter had to work VERY hard for it, and be very intelligent.

For the rich it's different. They can be dumb and still afford to go to
college.

That's the difference, it's an unequal system.
That's why education should be free and equal for everyone.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Diabolik wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > > Italy holds 80% of the artistic treasures produced
> > > by the western civilization. Obviously you are
> > > not interested in that. Easy to explain why you
> > > prefer fast food to fine Italian dining.
> > >
> > > The opinion of a cultural troglodyte hardly matters.
> >
> > I was visting Venice one day when I heard an American tourist say:
> >
> > "Why don't they knock that building down? It's too old."
> >
>
> I have never heard Italian tourists say that here. But then, we don't
> get many Italian tourists.

Maybe because there are many other beautiful places in the world to visit,
instead of overated dumps in the US like LA or NY?

> They can't afford to come here :-)

Are you kidding? Italians visit many beautiful places around the world.

Diabolik wrote:
> "Ron Hunter" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Diabolik wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Paolo Pizzi" > wrote in message
gy.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Nothing to do with ethnicentrism. The US is a socially backward
>>>>>>country. That's pretty much the opinion of the REST OF THE
>>>>>>WORLD, you know, those 5 billion people right-wingers like you
>>>>>>usually choose to IGNORE.
>>>>>
>>>>>The US can be accused of a lot of things, but being socially backward
>>>>>is not one of them.
>>>>
>>>>Any industrialized country without a national health system is
>>>>socially backward.
>>>
>>>
>>>...and free education.
>>>
>>>If you're born poor in the US, your chances are next to zero to getting
>
> an
>
>>>education and living a high quality life.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>That is a pure copout.
>
>
> Sure, believe what you want.
>
>
>>Tell it to the likes of Colin Powell.
>
>
> You can only think of one person? Who else?
>
>
>>Tell it
>>to the multi-millionaire sports figures.
>
>
> Sure, they get scholarships.
> I'm refering to people who can't or don't get scolarships.
>
>
>>Tell it to ANYONE who is
>>willing to work and who has the intelligence to come in out of the rain.
>
>
> Sure, they have to work VERY hard for it, and be very intelligent.
> But for the rich it's different. They can be dumb and still afford
> University.
>
> That's the difference, it's an unequal system.
>
>
They can be dumb and AFFORD to go but that will NOT get them through it.

Diabolik wrote:

> "Orion" > wrote in message
> news:33u2c.33365$qL1.18850@fed1read02...
>
>>>>>>Nothing to do with ethnicentrism. The US is a socially backward
>>>>>>country. That's pretty much the opinion of the REST OF THE
>>>>>>WORLD, you know, those 5 billion people right-wingers like you
>>>>>>usually choose to IGNORE.
>>>>>
>>>>>The US can be accused of a lot of things, but being socially
>
> backward
>
>>>>>is not one of them.
>>>>
>>>>Any industrialized country without a national health system is
>>>>socially backward.
>>>
>>>...and free education.
>>>
>>>If you're born poor in the US, your chances are next to zero to getting
>
> an
>
>>>education and living a high quality life.
>>>
>>
>>You should tell that to my daughter. I didn't have money to give her to
>
> go
>
>>to college. Or to buy her a car. Guess what, she worked and got there
>>herself. She did qualify for financial aide, but instead she put herself
>>through college. Now she's a highly qualified and caring teacher.
>>
>>Suzan
>
>
> Good for her.
>
> Your daughter had to work VERY hard for it, and be very intelligent.
>
> For the rich it's different. They can be dumb and still afford to go to
> college.
>
> That's the difference, it's an unequal system.
> That's why education should be free and equal for everyone.
>
>
It can't be 'equal', because some are just smarter, more talented, and
more dedicated than others.

Diabolik wrote:

>
> > > > I consider myself to be lucky to have been born on this side of the
> > > > Atlantic. My ancestors left Europe for the US in the early 1600s, and
> > > > when the revolution came along they packed up and moved to Canada.
> > > > They worked hard to build the type of modern society that people
> > > > come over to be part of, not to get away from.
> > >
> > > Guess what racist, Italians gave an ENORMOUS contribution to that.
> >
> > After fighting with us, then against us, and then with us, they decided
> > after WW II that they should come over and live with us. The society had
> > been created before they came.
>
> Millions came before ww2. Do you know your history?

I was talking about Canada. There were relatively few Italian immigrants to
Canada. In fact, during the 30's and 40's they were not even allowed in. It was
not until the 50s that Canada started allowing Italian immigrants again.

"Sloopy" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Diabolik" > wrote:
>
> > "Sloopy" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >,
> > > "Diabolik" > wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you're born poor in the US, your chances are next to zero to
> > > > getting an education and living a high quality life.
> > >
> > > I guess you're using yourself as a prime example.
> > >
> > > Loser.
> >
> > LOL, maybe your one of those dropouts who could afford to go to Uni
> > but isn't very bright
>
> Nothing like confusing "your" with "you're" when insulting someone
> education!

I think I'm not doing too bad, considering that English is my second
language, and people can make mistakes.

I can communicate in Italian if you want, which is my main language, or
French, or maybe even Spanish, but maybe you wont understand.

How many languages do you know?

"Ron Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> Diabolik wrote:
> > "Ron Hunter" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Diabolik wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Paolo Pizzi" > wrote in message
> gy.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>Nothing to do with ethnicentrism. The US is a socially backward
> >>>>>>country. That's pretty much the opinion of the REST OF THE
> >>>>>>WORLD, you know, those 5 billion people right-wingers like you
> >>>>>>usually choose to IGNORE.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The US can be accused of a lot of things, but being socially backward
> >>>>>is not one of them.
> >>>>
> >>>>Any industrialized country without a national health system is
> >>>>socially backward.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>...and free education.
> >>>
> >>>If you're born poor in the US, your chances are next to zero to getting
> >
> > an
> >
> >>>education and living a high quality life.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>That is a pure copout.
> >
> >
> > Sure, believe what you want.
> >
> >
> >>Tell it to the likes of Colin Powell.
> >
> >
> > You can only think of one person? Who else?
> >
> >
> >>Tell it
> >>to the multi-millionaire sports figures.
> >
> >
> > Sure, they get scholarships.
> > I'm refering to people who can't or don't get scolarships.
> >
> >
> >>Tell it to ANYONE who is
> >>willing to work and who has the intelligence to come in out of the rain.
> >
> >
> > Sure, they have to work VERY hard for it, and be very intelligent.
> > But for the rich it's different. They can be dumb and still afford
> > University.
> >
> > That's the difference, it's an unequal system.
> >
> >
> They can be dumb and AFFORD to go but that will NOT get them through it.

Sure, just like Bush and many others

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Diabolik wrote:
>
> >
> > > > > I consider myself to be lucky to have been born on this side of
the
> > > > > Atlantic. My ancestors left Europe for the US in the early 1600s,
and
> > > > > when the revolution came along they packed up and moved to Canada.
> > > > > They worked hard to build the type of modern society that people
> > > > > come over to be part of, not to get away from.
> > > >
> > > > Guess what racist, Italians gave an ENORMOUS contribution to that.
> > >
> > > After fighting with us, then against us, and then with us, they
decided
> > > after WW II that they should come over and live with us. The society
had
> > > been created before they came.
> >
> > Millions came before ww2. Do you know your history?
>
> I was talking about Canada. There were relatively few Italian immigrants
to
> Canada. In fact, during the 30's and 40's they were not even allowed in.
It was
> not until the 50s that Canada started allowing Italian immigrants again.


"The two largest waves of Italian immigrants to Canada occurred between 1900
and WWI and from 1950-1970."
http://www.whitepinepictures.com/see.../history1.html

"Ron Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> Diabolik wrote:
>
> > "Orion" > wrote in message
> > news:33u2c.33365$qL1.18850@fed1read02...
> >
> >>>>>>Nothing to do with ethnicentrism. The US is a socially backward
> >>>>>>country. That's pretty much the opinion of the REST OF THE
> >>>>>>WORLD, you know, those 5 billion people right-wingers like you
> >>>>>>usually choose to IGNORE.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The US can be accused of a lot of things, but being socially
> >
> > backward
> >
> >>>>>is not one of them.
> >>>>
> >>>>Any industrialized country without a national health system is
> >>>>socially backward.
> >>>
> >>>...and free education.
> >>>
> >>>If you're born poor in the US, your chances are next to zero to getting
> >
> > an
> >
> >>>education and living a high quality life.
> >>>
> >>
> >>You should tell that to my daughter. I didn't have money to give her to
> >
> > go
> >
> >>to college. Or to buy her a car. Guess what, she worked and got there
> >>herself. She did qualify for financial aide, but instead she put
herself
> >>through college. Now she's a highly qualified and caring teacher.
> >>
> >>Suzan
> >
> >
> > Good for her.
> >
> > Your daughter had to work VERY hard for it, and be very intelligent.
> >
> > For the rich it's different. They can be dumb and still afford to go to
> > college.
> >
> > That's the difference, it's an unequal system.
> > That's why education should be free and equal for everyone.
> >
> >
> It can't be 'equal', because some are just smarter, more talented, and
> more dedicated than others.

I'm not referring to equality in intelligence, but affordability.

Many intelligent people from a poor background will never make it to college
because they can't afford it.

Look at Suzan's daughter. She had to work very hard to make it because she
couldn't afford it.

If Suzan had a lot of money, she wouldn't have had this problem.

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:30:08 -0800, Sloopy > wrote:

>> Nothing to do with ethnicentrism. The US is a socially backward
>> country. That's pretty much the opinion of the REST OF THE
>> WORLD, you know, those 5 billion people right-wingers like you
>> usually choose to IGNORE.
>
>That's why our entertainment is voraciously consumed worldwide and more
>people want to immigrate to the United States than any other country in
>the world...even Paolo couldn't wait to live in this great country.
>
>I can guarantee you I'd never move to Italy!

Your entertainment is consumed worldwide because there's just so
much of it and at a higher standard than most local offerings which
is mostly due to bigger budgets, being able to employ multiple (10+)
writers for a sitcom for eg.

Just because more people want to immigrate to the US doesn't mean
you should start chanting USA USA USA, there's other factors involved
such as locality *poke mexico* and of course that flood of exported
American media would act as a form of advertising. They see that the
US could offer a better life and act on it.. I doubt many would consider
all their options and look into crime rate, education, health system etc.

There was an American on a talk back radio show here the other day
who said he had been living here for 15 years.. He told a story about
how on arriving he had asked a local about the bad areas to steer
clear of, he was told Guildford.. He kept that in mind and later while
entering the area he told his passengers to wind up their windows.
They were confused and asked why. It turns out that a 'bad' suburb
here simply consists of lower priced houses. With that he decided to
stay, he said it's just like the US only without the bad stuff.

Despite what you're led to believe, there are plenty of places around
the world just as good or better to live. A recent survey taken by
British ex-pats to determine the most liveable places backs up that
fact with no US city breaking the top 20.

I don't intend to knock the US, I just find it so annoying that so few
Americans seem to know or care about what's outside their borders
yet spout off as if they do. Hell a lot of them seem to think that
democracy and freedom is somewhat unique to their country,
including the president!

Dave Smith wrote:

>>> .... I disputed you claim that Italy holds 80% of the world's
>>> art treasures.
>>
>> But that's because, like I said, you are indeed a cultural
>> troglodyte and you can't even understand your own
>> language. I said that Italy has 80% of the artistic treasures
>> produced by the *western civilization.* Prove me wrong,
>> if you can...
>
> And those works of art were created when?

They're STILL being created. But you wouldn't know, would you?
Still waiting for you to prove me wrong on that 80%. Obviously
an arrogant ass like you is incapable of just admitting ignorance
or being wrong...

> Finding the food expensive and disappointing means that I hate
> Italians?

Considering it's bullshit (you have betrayed yourself soooo much
that nobody believes you've actually been there,) yes, definitely.
Also considering you have made a claim by which Italians do not
contribute anything to modern art. Speaks volumes of your hatred.

>> But that's because, once again, you are a cultural troglodyte
>> and you believe that the Olive Garden is actually Italian food.
>
> I wouldn't know. I have never been to Olive Garden.

So, it seems you know absolutely NOTHING about Italian food.
You have probably been to an Olive Garden-type.

>> If you really knew something about renaissance art and if you
>> were able to actually appreciate it, you wouldn't claim that
>> there is nothing interesting to see in Italy. You see, you keep
>> contradicting yourself...
>
> No contradiction..... like I said, it's Renaissance art. It was done
> by people of previous generations.

It doesn't matter it's still in a place you claimed it's not interesting.
You DID contradict yourself. Actually you revealed you don't
give a crap about renaissance, being the cultural troglodyte you
are.

> There is more to the world of art than Italian Renaissance.

Oh yes, but you wouldn't know. You are so ignorant you think
Italian art is ONLY renaissance. You have claimed Italy contributes
nothing to modern art.

>> Once again, you're only showing your embarrassing lack of culture.
>> I'd say you've never even been to Italy, or else you wouldn't make
>> such ridiculous claims.
>
> Let's just say that being stuck on a dirty, over crowded train that
> is more than an hour late departing has left a bad impression.

Let's just say you are a liar who's never been to Italy.
Or else you wouldn't say that all Italians eat is pasta.
That's so false everybody but one who's never been outside
his trailer park knows.

"Ron Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> Diabolik wrote:
>
> > "Paolo Pizzi" > wrote in message
> > news > >
> >>Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Italy is the only country there that I have visited
> >>>that I would not bother to return to.
> >>
> >>Italy holds 80% of the artistic treasures produced
> >>by the western civilization. Obviously you are
> >>not interested in that. Easy to explain why you
> >>prefer fast food to fine Italian dining.
> >>
> >>The opinion of a cultural troglodyte hardly matters.
> >
> >
> > I was visting Venice one day when I heard an American tourist say:
> >
> > "Why don't they knock that building down? It's too old."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Yep. We are pretty much of a mind about the ancient. Get it out of the
> way, get on with life. Out with the old, in with the new. On the other
> hand, we also value things historic, like the 'House of Seven Gables'
> and many people in the northeast live in houses built in the 17th
> century. So which is better? You obviously believe the old is better
> than the new. Fine. Keep it.

Yeah, the Italian Government should knock down the Colosseum in Rome, or the
Duomo in Milan, or Pontevecchio in Florence, etc. These buildings are too
old

> I don't intend to knock the US, I just find it so annoying that so few
> Americans seem to know or care about what's outside their borders
> yet spout off as if they do. Hell a lot of them seem to think that
> democracy and freedom is somewhat unique to their country,
> including the president!

Yes, especially when elections are dictated mainly on who has the highest
budget and the best political marketing manager, and where their monies come
from "Political donations", from companies with Political interests. LOL. So
much for Democracy!

These are the same guys who say they invaded Iraq to install democracy

Diabolik wrote:

> These are the same guys who say they invaded Iraq to install
> democracy

What do you expect from a racist like zbzbzb, the guy who
claimed the US was "ready to nuke the whole Japan."
He would have been proud of that!! Not even the racists
who hated the Japanese and called them "yellow monkeys"
were THAT racist!!

That's the same guy who believes anyone HE THINKS "hates
this country" should pack up and leave. Pure maccarthism.
Unbelievable people like that still exist today!!