AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD

In general, which offers a more healthy diet?

Americans tend toward fast foods, either take-out
or home cooking that does not take too much time
to prepare.

In Europe, people still spend hours over a hot stove.
People still stop at the market on the way home from
work instead of weekly or monthly shopping as in
North America.

What are your favorite American dishes?

What are your favorite European dishes?

What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
styles of cuisine?

"Simone Kerby" > wrote in message
news:4046C770.6723.1DCF0FD@localhost...
> AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>
> In general, which offers a more healthy diet?

MacDonalds.

>
> Americans tend toward fast foods, either take-out
> or home cooking that does not take too much time
> to prepare.
>
> In Europe, people still spend hours over a hot stove.
> People still stop at the market on the way home from
> work instead of weekly or monthly shopping as in
> North America.
>
> What are your favorite American dishes?

MacDonalds.

>
> What are your favorite European dishes?

None.

>
> What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
> styles of cuisine?

MacDonalds rules!

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:06:40 -0500, "Simone Kerby"
> wrote:

>AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>
>In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
>
>Americans tend toward fast foods, either take-out
>or home cooking that does not take too much time
>to prepare.
>
>In Europe, people still spend hours over a hot stove.
>People still stop at the market on the way home from
>work instead of weekly or monthly shopping as in
>North America.
>
>What are your favorite American dishes?
>
>What are your favorite European dishes?
>
>What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
>styles of cuisine?

What part of Europe are you talking about?

Transylvania? Carpo-Ruthenia? 19th Century Serbia?

Most of modern Europe has 'Supermarkets' and 'Hypermarkets', France
probably has some of the biggest in the world. Maybe what's left of
the traditional Balkan and Eastern European peasantry still have to
stop at the market every day or slaughter a pig or sheep and slave for
hours over a hot stove with pig's heads, beetroots, sheep brains etc.,
but most of the others nip off to the Hypermarket every week or so in
their automobiles and stock up just like you do!

"Simone Kerby" > wrote in message
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> AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
(snip)
>
> What are your favorite American dishes?

+++ Halle Berry
>
> What are your favorite European dishes?

+++ Mel B (from the Spice Girls)
>
> What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
> styles of cuisine?

+++ Both are tasty but, the European "dish" is a bit more mature and may be
a bit more spicy. The difference, what there is, is mainly in the packaging.
Viva le Difference!

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Oh and my view - there is no 'european' food. The general culinary habits
of, say, Scotland & Italy are about as far apart as you will find anywhere.
In fact the US probably has more in common with each than they do with each
other.

--
Stuart

"Simone Kerby" > wrote in message
news:4046C770.6723.1DCF0FD@localhost...
> AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>
> In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
>
> Americans tend toward fast foods, either take-out
> or home cooking that does not take too much time
> to prepare.
>
> In Europe, people still spend hours over a hot stove.
> People still stop at the market on the way home from
> work instead of weekly or monthly shopping as in
> North America.
>
> What are your favorite American dishes?
>
> What are your favorite European dishes?
>
> What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
> styles of cuisine?


KERBYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYY
You are such a loser.

"Simone Kerby" > wrote in message news:<4046C770.6723.1DCF0FD@localhost>...
> AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>
> In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
>
> Americans tend toward fast foods, either take-out
> or home cooking that does not take too much time
> to prepare.
>
> In Europe, people still spend hours over a hot stove.
> People still stop at the market on the way home from
> work instead of weekly or monthly shopping as in
> North America.
>
> What are your favorite American dishes?
>
> What are your favorite European dishes?
>
> What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
> styles of cuisine?

I think you are making sweeping generalizations. It's true that
Americans eat way too much fast food, many Americans don't really
cook, and our lifestyle isn't all that healthy. However, plenty of
Americans still purchase fresh ingredients (maybe not on a daily
basis, but more than once a week or month) and make good food at home.

Also, Europe has its own fast-food/convenience food traditions.
Americans didn't invent fish and chips or pizza, the British and the
Italians did. We may have put the hot dog in the bun and turned it
into fast food, but frankfurters come from Germany, and they're no
healthier over there than they are over here. And French fries may
not be French, but they are Belgian.

"J. Helman" wrote:

> I think you are making sweeping generalizations.

Crossposting trolls do that.

So Diabolik does that mean you like Ronald McDonald?.

Regards,

Ben Smith

"Simone Kerby" > wrote in message
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> AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>
> In general, which offers a more healthy diet?

Neither, the use of available food is an individual
choice/obession/decision. You can become just as healther or unhealthy as
your taste and eating habits allow.

Dimitri

<snip>

"Simone Kerby" > wrote in message news:<4046C770.6723.1DCF0FD@localhost>...
> AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>
> In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
>
> Americans tend toward fast foods, either take-out
> or home cooking that does not take too much time
> to prepare.
>
> In Europe, people still spend hours over a hot stove.
> People still stop at the market on the way home from
> work instead of weekly or monthly shopping as in
> North America.


Interesting...I've read that France is McDonald's single most
profitable market outside of the US. IIRC there is a French chain
that offers nothing but frozen food for sale...and it's very, very
popular.

Many people in Europe shop just like Americans - in bulk and at huge
supermarkets, which in Europe are called "hypermarkets" (the
hypermarket being a French invention). They drive their cars to the
Tescos or whatever that litter the outskirts of most European cities
of any size - it's the same from Newcastle to Krakow to Palermo to
Oslo. Growth of this kind of shopping has been especially rapid in
the former Eastern Bloc states....

Here in Chicago I shop just like an "old - fashioned" European - I
shop several times a week at smaller stores for my vittles. Don't
have a car, so I don't drive to Costco or wherever to shop, I walk or
take the bus. There are a lot of us like that here ;-)

US - style fast food has established healthy footholds all over
Europe, from Paris and Rome to provincial Russia and other former
Communist states. Some of these firms are US, some of them are home -
grown e.g. in Germany you can find "Schnell Imbiss" outlets
everywhere, and there is a chain in Russia that offers "home - style"
Russian food fast and cheap. They mostly use the same marketing ploys
and technologies as McDo's, etc. Pizza is a very popular fast food
both in the States and everywhere in Europe - is this a "US" or
"European" phenomenon...???


>
> What are your favorite American dishes?
>
> What are your favorite European dishes?
>
> What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
> styles of cuisine?


There is increasingly a "world cuisine" that comprises stuff like Tex
- Mex, Asian (stir fry and sushi) hamburgers, Italian, fish and chips,
and many other things. In pretty much any city of any size all over
the world these "cuisines" are readily available. You can great sushi
in Vladivostok and pretty good Singapore noodles in St. Paul and
decent hamburgers in Kathmandu and tolerable pizza in Havana and and
fajitas and margaritas in Bangalore and Southern BBQ in London and
quiche in Beirut...etcetera, etcetera, etcetera....

And what about those "Irish" pubs that are ubiquitous absolutely
everywhere? Those are big world - wide chain operations, not the
result of some disgruntled Irish ex - pat wanting to open up a wee bit
'o the old sod at the airport in Osaka or in downtown Santiago....

I declare your questions as to preferences, then, as moot :-)

--
Best
Greg

Dimitri wrote:

> "Simone Kerby" > wrote in message
> news:4046C770.6723.1DCF0FD@localhost...
>
>>AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>>
>>In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
>
>
> Neither, the use of available food is an individual
> choice/obession/decision. You can become just as healther or unhealthy as
> your taste and eating habits allow.
>
> Dimitri
>
> <snip>
>
>
Quite true. ON my visit to Europe, I saw quite as many obese, often
grossly obese, people as I see here in the US.

Simone Kerby wrote:
>
> AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>
> In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
>
> Americans tend toward fast foods, either take-out
> or home cooking that does not take too much time
> to prepare.
>
> In Europe, people still spend hours over a hot stove.
> People still stop at the market on the way home from
> work instead of weekly or monthly shopping as in
> North America.
>
> What are your favorite American dishes?
>
> What are your favorite European dishes?
>
> What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
> styles of cuisine?

now if you ask me, there is no difference between american or european
food, I have had great meals in either place many times. if the cook
is crap the food is crap in either location, if you like food
which tastes better after you ate it (Mc.. B...K.. etc) than you can
get that also on both sides of the big water.
what realy is the difference is the way and what they eat in the US
junk food fast food which feeds you on a fast road to the grave
that makes the obesety and unhelthiness you see so much in the US

Ron Hunter wrote:

> Quite true. ON my visit to Europe, I saw quite as many
> obese, often grossly obese, people as I see here in the US.

Judging by your blatant lies, I'd say you are a Republican.

For anyone else, here's some SCIENTIFIC facts, from a
reputable US source:

"The study authors discovered this country had the highest rates of obese
(24 percent) and very obese (13 percent) people and the lowest rates of
normal (22 percent) people. Asia had the highest rate of normal-weight
individuals (58 percent), Western Europe came next (31 percent), followed
by Eastern Europe (29 percent), Latin America (28 percent), Australia/New
Zealand (26 percent), and Canada (23 percent). Australia/New Zealand and
Canada tied for second place in the "very obese" category (7 percent each),
followed by Latin America (6 percent), Eastern and Western Europe (4
percent each), and Asia (1 percent)."

http://www.healthfinder.gov/news/new...p?docID=512510

Bottom line: there are OVER THREE TIMES more "severely obese"
people in the US (13%) than in Europe (4%.)

"Ron Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> Dimitri wrote:
>
> > "Simone Kerby" > wrote in message
> > news:4046C770.6723.1DCF0FD@localhost...
> >
> >>AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
> >>
> >>In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
> >
> >
> > Neither, the use of available food is an individual
> > choice/obession/decision. You can become just as healther or unhealthy
as
> > your taste and eating habits allow.
> >
> > Dimitri
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >
> Quite true. ON my visit to Europe, I saw quite as many obese, often
> grossly obese, people as I see here in the US.

Which country?

> So Diabolik does that mean you like Ronald McDonald?.

Yes, I like the clown.
I'm glad you understood

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
om...
> "Simone Kerby" > wrote in message
news:<4046C770.6723.1DCF0FD@localhost>...
> > AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
> >
> > In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
> >
> > Americans tend toward fast foods, either take-out
> > or home cooking that does not take too much time
> > to prepare.
> >
> > In Europe, people still spend hours over a hot stove.
> > People still stop at the market on the way home from
> > work instead of weekly or monthly shopping as in
> > North America.
>
>
> Interesting...I've read that France is McDonald's single most
> profitable market outside of the US. IIRC there is a French chain
> that offers nothing but frozen food for sale...and it's very, very
> popular.
>
> Many people in Europe shop just like Americans - in bulk and at huge
> supermarkets, which in Europe are called "hypermarkets" (the
> hypermarket being a French invention). They drive their cars to the
> Tescos or whatever that litter the outskirts of most European cities
> of any size - it's the same from Newcastle to Krakow to Palermo to
> Oslo. Growth of this kind of shopping has been especially rapid in
> the former Eastern Bloc states....
>
> Here in Chicago I shop just like an "old - fashioned" European - I
> shop several times a week at smaller stores for my vittles. Don't
> have a car, so I don't drive to Costco or wherever to shop, I walk or
> take the bus. There are a lot of us like that here ;-)
>
> US - style fast food has established healthy footholds all over
> Europe, from Paris and Rome to provincial Russia and other former
> Communist states. Some of these firms are US, some of them are home -
> grown e.g. in Germany you can find "Schnell Imbiss" outlets
> everywhere, and there is a chain in Russia that offers "home - style"
> Russian food fast and cheap. They mostly use the same marketing ploys
> and technologies as McDo's, etc. Pizza is a very popular fast food
> both in the States and everywhere in Europe - is this a "US" or
> "European" phenomenon...???
>
>
> >
> > What are your favorite American dishes?
> >
> > What are your favorite European dishes?
> >
> > What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
> > styles of cuisine?
>
>
> There is increasingly a "world cuisine" that comprises stuff like Tex
> - Mex, Asian (stir fry and sushi) hamburgers, Italian, fish and chips,
> and many other things. In pretty much any city of any size all over
> the world these "cuisines" are readily available. You can great sushi
> in Vladivostok and pretty good Singapore noodles in St. Paul and
> decent hamburgers in Kathmandu and tolerable pizza in Havana and and
> fajitas and margaritas in Bangalore and Southern BBQ in London and
> quiche in Beirut...etcetera, etcetera, etcetera....
>
> And what about those "Irish" pubs that are ubiquitous absolutely
> everywhere? Those are big world - wide chain operations, not the
> result of some disgruntled Irish ex - pat wanting to open up a wee bit
> 'o the old sod at the airport in Osaka or in downtown Santiago....
>
> I declare your questions as to preferences, then, as moot :-)
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

I don't know the stats for Europe, but I heard reported that in North
America (I assume USA and Canada were actually included), 75% of restaurant
meals consumed involve a burger, and 95% involve fries....which is not to
say that you can't find fabulous, healthy food in pretty much any
reasonable-size city in those two countries, just that most people prefer
burgers and fries.

Ron Hunter wrote:

>
> >>AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
> >>
> >>In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
> >
> >
> > Neither, the use of available food is an individual
> > choice/obession/decision. You can become just as healther or unhealthy as
> > your taste and eating habits allow.
> >
> > Dimitri
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >
> Quite true. ON my visit to Europe, I saw quite as many obese, often
> grossly obese, people as I see here in the US.

?? I suppose that things my vary from one country to the next. I have been to
Europe three times, visiting Denmark, Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands and
Italy. I didn't see many fat people, except those who were carrying cameras.

"Paolo Pizzi" > wrote in message
om...

> Bottom line: there are OVER THREE TIMES more "severely obese"
> people in the US (13%) than in Europe (4%.)

But be very careful, as the old saw says, from confusing
correlation with causation. These numbers don't necessarily
mean that there is anything unique to the U.S. culture, or that
there is a particular "American food," that causes this. These
are POSSIBLE explanations, not conclusively shown from these
results. One other POSSIBLE explanation is that many Americans
enjoy a higher disposable income than those in other areas, and so
spend more time eating out. An earlier poster made the point
that there is certainly just as much "bad" food AVAILABLE
elsewhere - and it's not all McDonald's and similar American
exports; some of the worst examples I've seen in Europe were
"home-grown" burger chains. Keep in mind that, for example,
in China, going out to McDonald's or some such is considered
a relatively rare treat!

Bob M.

Gregory Morrow wrote:

> Interesting...I've read that France is McDonald's single most
> profitable market outside of the US. IIRC there is a French chain
> that offers nothing but frozen food for sale...and it's very, very
> popular.

I find that almost as hard to swallow as a Big Mac. I have been to France several times and MacDonalds outlets
are few and far between, usually located only in the areas most frequented by tourists.


> And what about those "Irish" pubs that are ubiquitous absolutely
> everywhere? Those are big world - wide chain operations, not the
> result of some disgruntled Irish ex - pat wanting to open up a wee bit
> 'o the old sod at the airport in Osaka or in downtown Santiago....

Are "Irish" pubs a franchise? I have seen lots of them around, but none of them appeared to be a franchise. I
was in a local "Irish" pub a few weeks ago. It's been around for a few years and I wish I had tried it out
sooner. They had a great selection of beer, and wonderful Irish stew.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> > Interesting...I've read that France is McDonald's single most
> > profitable market outside of the US. IIRC there is a French chain
> > that offers nothing but frozen food for sale...and it's very, very
> > popular.
>
> I find that almost as hard to swallow as a Big Mac. I have been to France
several times and MacDonalds outlets
> are few and far between, usually located only in the areas most frequented
by tourists.
>
>
> > And what about those "Irish" pubs that are ubiquitous absolutely
> > everywhere? Those are big world - wide chain operations, not the
> > result of some disgruntled Irish ex - pat wanting to open up a wee bit
> > 'o the old sod at the airport in Osaka or in downtown Santiago....
>
> Are "Irish" pubs a franchise?

I think Guinness Irish pubs are.

My friend set one up in Italy and he had to go to Ireland and follow strict
guidelines on the interior of the pub, on how to serve the Guinness beer,
etc...


> I have seen lots of them around, but none of them appeared to be a
franchise. I
> was in a local "Irish" pub a few weeks ago. It's been around for a few
years and I wish I had tried it out
> sooner. They had a great selection of beer, and wonderful Irish stew.
>
>

Dimitri wrote:
> "Simone Kerby" > wrote in message
> news:4046C770.6723.1DCF0FD@localhost...
>
>>AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>>
>>In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
>
>
> Neither, the use of available food is an individual
> choice/obession/decision. You can become just as healther or unhealthy as
> your taste and eating habits allow.
>
> Dimitri
>
> <snip>
>
>
Yeah, but you have to have a warm spot for a country that can eat fois
gras, duck confit with sauteed potatoes and wash it down with a good
Mardiran or Cahors. And not get a heart attack.
--
Alan

"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion, and
avoid the people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

> Americans didn't invent fish and chips or pizza, the British and the
> Italians did. We may have put the hot dog in the bun and turned it

The pizza as we know it was invented in New York city in the 1950's. It's
not an Italian dish. It's 100% American. Now, having said that, pizza-like
dishes have been around for centuries, even the Vikings made something that
was vaguely similar. So did the ancient Greeks. Flat-bread with stuff on
top is pretty much a no-brainer.

But the dish that's called "pizza" in this day and age is completely,
absolutely and definitely American. Invented by an Italian immigrant, but
American.

"Paul Fedorenko" > wrote in message
. ..
> > Americans didn't invent fish and chips or pizza, the British and the
> > Italians did. We may have put the hot dog in the bun and turned it
>
> The pizza as we know it was invented in New York city in the 1950's.

Invented in the 1950's ???

> It's
> not an Italian dish. It's 100% American.


Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


> Now, having said that, pizza-like
> dishes have been around for centuries, even the Vikings made something
that
> was vaguely similar. So did the ancient Greeks. Flat-bread with stuff on
> top is pretty much a no-brainer.
>
> But the dish that's called "pizza" in this day and age is completely,
> absolutely and definitely American. Invented by an Italian immigrant, but
> American.

Different name, same ingredients as centuries before.

"Simone Kerby" > wrote in message
news:4046C770.6723.1DCF0FD@localhost...
> AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>
> What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
> styles of cuisine?

Way I see it, there are very few differences. North America (Canada and the
United States, anyway, not sure about Mexico) is pretty much a melting pot
of cultures from pretty much everywhere. In a 2.5 kilometre stretch of
Bloor St. (major east-west street in Toronto) near where I live there are 4
pubs, 3 Japanese restaurants with good sushi bars, 2 French restaurants (one
high end, the other more affordable), one very expensive Italian restaurant,
3 bistros, 1 Indian restaurant, 2 Chinese take-out places, 1 fish and chips
shop, a Spanish tapas restaurant, a Thai restaurant, a dessert place, 2
Greek restaurants, a mom-and-pop burger joint, a Swiss Chalet chicken and
rib restaurant and a plethora of coffee shops. And those are just the ones
I can remember off the top of my head. None of them, with the exception of
one of the pubs (a Firkin) are part of a chain, and all serve very, very
good food.. The nearest MacDonald's to where I live is a good 10 minute
drive away. In fact, based on my experience, having visited Baltimore, San
Francisco, New York, Philadelphia, Calgary, Vancouver and Rolando, the same
sort of thing could be said for any major city in North America.

All the places I mentioned are generally busy, which seems to point to the
fact that people in my area tend to prefer good quality food when they go
out, rather than junk.

Paul Fedorenko wrote:

>>Americans didn't invent fish and chips or pizza, the British and the
>>Italians did. We may have put the hot dog in the bun and turned it
>
> The pizza as we know it was invented in New York city in the 1950's. It's
> not an Italian dish. It's 100% American. Now, having said that, pizza-like
> dishes have been around for centuries, even the Vikings made something that
> was vaguely similar. So did the ancient Greeks. Flat-bread with stuff on
> top is pretty much a no-brainer.
>
> But the dish that's called "pizza" in this day and age is completely,
> absolutely and definitely American. Invented by an Italian immigrant, but
> American.

Sorry. All wet with these pizza "facts." Southern Italians brought the
pizzas they made at home to the U.S. They're since evolved in many
cases, but the basic pizza is still available here.

The first pizzerias in the U.S. certainly predate the 50's. Coffaro's
in New Brunswick, N.J. was making them in the 1940's that I recall. I
think I was told that they were in business in the 30's. Charlie
Coffaro brought pizza to our kindergarten class back in 1946.

My Sicilian grandparents bought pizza back in the early part of the
20th century in New York where they lived.

Pastorio

Bob Myers in >, from "Bob Myers"
> wrote:

> One other POSSIBLE explanation is that many Americans
> enjoy a higher disposable income than those in other areas,
> and so spend more time eating out.

Past week in Pisa, Cecina, Ribollita e Tagliata con i funghi porcini,
believe me, the final bill was totally deserved, as expensive it was ..

--
ale
http://www.sen.it

Axel Kurth wrote:

> Simone Kerby wrote:
>
>>AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>>
>>In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
>>
>>Americans tend toward fast foods, either take-out
>>or home cooking that does not take too much time
>>to prepare.
>>
>>In Europe, people still spend hours over a hot stove.
>>People still stop at the market on the way home from
>>work instead of weekly or monthly shopping as in
>>North America.
>>
>>What are your favorite American dishes?
>>
>>What are your favorite European dishes?
>>
>>What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
>>styles of cuisine?
>
>
> now if you ask me, there is no difference between american or european
> food, I have had great meals in either place many times. if the cook
> is crap the food is crap in either location, if you like food
> which tastes better after you ate it (Mc.. B...K.. etc) than you can
> get that also on both sides of the big water.
> what realy is the difference is the way and what they eat in the US
> junk food fast food which feeds you on a fast road to the grave
> that makes the obesety and unhelthiness you see so much in the US

Not everyone in the US eats that way, nor does anyone force you to eat a
burger and fries. I suggest that in any large US city you can find food
to match, or beat, anything available in Europe, or anywhere in the
world. You just have to find it, and be willing to pay for it. I
suspect that the effects of a good brat sandwich in Germany is as least
as detrimental to your health as a burger and fries at a US Burger King.
And if obesity is so rampant in the US, then our lifespan would reflect
it, but this is simply not the case.
Nutritionists will tell you that you will live longer if you maintain a
diet just short of starvation, but who would WANT to live 100 years on
the edge of starvation?

Paolo Pizzi wrote:

> Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>
>>Quite true. ON my visit to Europe, I saw quite as many
>>obese, often grossly obese, people as I see here in the US.
>
>
> Judging by your blatant lies, I'd say you are a Republican.
>
> For anyone else, here's some SCIENTIFIC facts, from a
> reputable US source:
>
> "The study authors discovered this country had the highest rates of obese
> (24 percent) and very obese (13 percent) people and the lowest rates of
> normal (22 percent) people. Asia had the highest rate of normal-weight
> individuals (58 percent), Western Europe came next (31 percent), followed
> by Eastern Europe (29 percent), Latin America (28 percent), Australia/New
> Zealand (26 percent), and Canada (23 percent). Australia/New Zealand and
> Canada tied for second place in the "very obese" category (7 percent each),
> followed by Latin America (6 percent), Eastern and Western Europe (4
> percent each), and Asia (1 percent)."
>
> http://www.healthfinder.gov/news/new...p?docID=512510
>
> Bottom line: there are OVER THREE TIMES more "severely obese"
> people in the US (13%) than in Europe (4%.)
>
>
Judging by your insults, and calling a reported observation a lie, I
would guess you are a democrat. For the record, I am an independent. I
figure that if one gets too wrapped up in a political party, he might
forget his country.

I saw what I saw. Whether it is representative I can't say, given that
I saw only a minescule percentage of the European population, and have
seen only a similarly small percentage of the US population. It is
interesting that your numbers corelate nicely with the income of the
people of the countries you mentioned. I suppose you would advocate
that if we want to slim down, we should reduce our income to that of the
mentioned countries. If so, you first.

Diabolik wrote:

> "Ron Hunter" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Dimitri wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Simone Kerby" > wrote in message
>>>news:4046C770.6723.1DCF0FD@localhost...
>>>
>>>
>>>>AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>>>>
>>>>In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
>>>
>>>
>>>Neither, the use of available food is an individual
>>>choice/obession/decision. You can become just as healther or unhealthy
>
> as
>
>>>your taste and eating habits allow.
>>>
>>>Dimitri
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>
>>Quite true. ON my visit to Europe, I saw quite as many obese, often
>>grossly obese, people as I see here in the US.
>
>
> Which country?
>
>
Germany, Switzerland, Leichtenstein, Luxembourg, and Austria.

Neil Denton wrote:

> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
> om...
>
>>"Simone Kerby" > wrote in message
>
> news:<4046C770.6723.1DCF0FD@localhost>...
>
>>>AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>>>
>>>In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
>>>
>>>Americans tend toward fast foods, either take-out
>>>or home cooking that does not take too much time
>>>to prepare.
>>>
>>>In Europe, people still spend hours over a hot stove.
>>>People still stop at the market on the way home from
>>>work instead of weekly or monthly shopping as in
>>>North America.
>>
>>
>>Interesting...I've read that France is McDonald's single most
>>profitable market outside of the US. IIRC there is a French chain
>>that offers nothing but frozen food for sale...and it's very, very
>>popular.
>>
>>Many people in Europe shop just like Americans - in bulk and at huge
>>supermarkets, which in Europe are called "hypermarkets" (the
>>hypermarket being a French invention). They drive their cars to the
>>Tescos or whatever that litter the outskirts of most European cities
>>of any size - it's the same from Newcastle to Krakow to Palermo to
>>Oslo. Growth of this kind of shopping has been especially rapid in
>>the former Eastern Bloc states....
>>
>>Here in Chicago I shop just like an "old - fashioned" European - I
>>shop several times a week at smaller stores for my vittles. Don't
>>have a car, so I don't drive to Costco or wherever to shop, I walk or
>>take the bus. There are a lot of us like that here ;-)
>>
>>US - style fast food has established healthy footholds all over
>>Europe, from Paris and Rome to provincial Russia and other former
>>Communist states. Some of these firms are US, some of them are home -
>>grown e.g. in Germany you can find "Schnell Imbiss" outlets
>>everywhere, and there is a chain in Russia that offers "home - style"
>>Russian food fast and cheap. They mostly use the same marketing ploys
>>and technologies as McDo's, etc. Pizza is a very popular fast food
>>both in the States and everywhere in Europe - is this a "US" or
>>"European" phenomenon...???
>>
>>
>>
>>>What are your favorite American dishes?
>>>
>>>What are your favorite European dishes?
>>>
>>>What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
>>>styles of cuisine?
>>
>>
>>There is increasingly a "world cuisine" that comprises stuff like Tex
>>- Mex, Asian (stir fry and sushi) hamburgers, Italian, fish and chips,
>>and many other things. In pretty much any city of any size all over
>>the world these "cuisines" are readily available. You can great sushi
>>in Vladivostok and pretty good Singapore noodles in St. Paul and
>>decent hamburgers in Kathmandu and tolerable pizza in Havana and and
>>fajitas and margaritas in Bangalore and Southern BBQ in London and
>>quiche in Beirut...etcetera, etcetera, etcetera....
>>
>>And what about those "Irish" pubs that are ubiquitous absolutely
>>everywhere? Those are big world - wide chain operations, not the
>>result of some disgruntled Irish ex - pat wanting to open up a wee bit
>>'o the old sod at the airport in Osaka or in downtown Santiago....
>>
>>I declare your questions as to preferences, then, as moot :-)
>>
>>--
>>Best
>>Greg
>
>
> I don't know the stats for Europe, but I heard reported that in North
> America (I assume USA and Canada were actually included), 75% of restaurant
> meals consumed involve a burger, and 95% involve fries....which is not to
> say that you can't find fabulous, healthy food in pretty much any
> reasonable-size city in those two countries, just that most people prefer
> burgers and fries.
>
>
>
On my visit to Europe, just about EVERY meal came with fries, whether
ordered or not. I can't imagine eating a burger 75% or my meals. In
fact, I think it has been 3 or 4 years since I have had one in a
restaurant. I like to KNOW what I am eating, and ANYTHING might find
its way into restaurant ground meat.

Paul Fedorenko wrote:

>>Americans didn't invent fish and chips or pizza, the British and the
>>Italians did. We may have put the hot dog in the bun and turned it
>
>
> The pizza as we know it was invented in New York city in the 1950's. It's
> not an Italian dish. It's 100% American. Now, having said that, pizza-like
> dishes have been around for centuries, even the Vikings made something that
> was vaguely similar. So did the ancient Greeks. Flat-bread with stuff on
> top is pretty much a no-brainer.
>
> But the dish that's called "pizza" in this day and age is completely,
> absolutely and definitely American. Invented by an Italian immigrant, but
> American.
>
>
Yes, and the Romans ate ground beef between buns, with veggies, so the
hamburger is Italian, right?

Severus Est wrote:

> "Simone Kerby" > wrote in message news:<4046C770.6723.1DCF0FD@localhost>...
>
>>AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
>>
>>In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
>
>
> The keyword is general here.
>
>
>>Americans tend toward fast foods, either take-out
>>or home cooking that does not take too much time
>>to prepare.
>>
>>In Europe, people still spend hours over a hot stove.
>
>
> Think so? Not really... Some do, many don't.. and certainly not a
> "stove". of course, there's a difference bewteen people living in the
> country or the more urban areas, but in general the pciture you try to
> paint is certainly not the norm. Ever been to Europe? It's a
> continent, not a country. Many habits, many peoples.
>
>
>>People still stop at the market on the way home from
>>work instead of weekly or monthly shopping as in
>>North America.
>
>
> Again, not really... Most people go to the supermarket once or twice a
> week.
>
>
>>What are your favorite American dishes?
>
>
> Can't think of anything in particular.
>
>
>>What are your favorite European dishes?
>
>
> Fries.
>
>
>>What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
>>styles of cuisine?
>
>
> Portions in Europe are more humane.

The main difference I saw in Europe from what I see here is that there
foods are prepared fresh 'from scratch' while here the emphasis is on
speed and convenience. The processing of dining in Europe is a much
more leisurely process. On the plus side, the chicken you eat may have
been running around in the back yard of the restaurant when you ordered
it... In the US the emphasis is on large restaurants, often chains,
where you can expect similar quality at each place, no matter where in
the country you go. In Europe, the restaurant is usually a family
enterprise, with empahsis on personal service, quality food, and
personal attention to preparation of fresh ingredients. To get that
quality in the US, one must pay large bills.

"Ron Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> Diabolik wrote:
>
> > "Ron Hunter" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Dimitri wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Simone Kerby" > wrote in message
> >>>news:4046C770.6723.1DCF0FD@localhost...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
> >>>>
> >>>>In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Neither, the use of available food is an individual
> >>>choice/obession/decision. You can become just as healther or unhealthy
> >
> > as
> >
> >>>your taste and eating habits allow.
> >>>
> >>>Dimitri
> >>>
> >>><snip>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Quite true. ON my visit to Europe, I saw quite as many obese, often
> >>grossly obese, people as I see here in the US.
> >
> >
> > Which country?
> >
> >
> Germany, Switzerland, Leichtenstein, Luxembourg, and Austria.

You're suggesting that you saw as many obese people in the above countries
as in the US?

Last time I visited Germany, Switzerland and Austria, people seemed slim to
me. I would have to look hard to find obese people here, as in most of
Europe.

Last time I visited the US you would have to look hard to find slim people.

You must be dreaming.

"Ron Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> Axel Kurth wrote:
>
> > Simone Kerby wrote:
> >
> >>AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
> >>
> >>In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
> >>
> >>Americans tend toward fast foods, either take-out
> >>or home cooking that does not take too much time
> >>to prepare.
> >>
> >>In Europe, people still spend hours over a hot stove.
> >>People still stop at the market on the way home from
> >>work instead of weekly or monthly shopping as in
> >>North America.
> >>
> >>What are your favorite American dishes?
> >>
> >>What are your favorite European dishes?
> >>
> >>What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
> >>styles of cuisine?
> >
> >
> > now if you ask me, there is no difference between american or european
> > food, I have had great meals in either place many times. if the cook
> > is crap the food is crap in either location, if you like food
> > which tastes better after you ate it (Mc.. B...K.. etc) than you can
> > get that also on both sides of the big water.
> > what realy is the difference is the way and what they eat in the US
> > junk food fast food which feeds you on a fast road to the grave
> > that makes the obesety and unhelthiness you see so much in the US
>
> Not everyone in the US eats that way, nor does anyone force you to eat a
> burger and fries. I suggest that in any large US city you can find food
> to match, or beat, anything available in Europe, or anywhere in the
> world.

You can only dream of the quality of food we have and eat in Italy.


> You just have to find it, and be willing to pay for it. I
> suspect that the effects of a good brat sandwich in Germany is as least
> as detrimental to your health as a burger and fries at a US Burger King.
> And if obesity is so rampant in the US, then our lifespan would reflect
> it, but this is simply not the case.
> Nutritionists will tell you that you will live longer if you maintain a
> diet just short of starvation, but who would WANT to live 100 years on
> the edge of starvation?

>Paul *The Mouth* Fedorenko wrote:
>
>Americans didn't invent fish and chips

Of course they did, it's a Peruvian dish, been so for thousands of years...
don't you know the potato is native to Peru and hadn't reached the old world
until relatively recently... and what makes you think seafood is indigenous to
Briton? Duh

>or pizza

Pizza made as known in America was first *invented* in NYC, 1933... wasn't
twirled or sold in slices until 'bout 1960... read informative article in New
York Cook Book by Molly O'Neill, pg. 100.

There's nothing new about flat bread baked with toppings, 'bout every culture
evolved a version... and ANY dish with tomato (or potato) is definitely
American influenced.

Yoose is obviously a fast food gobbling pimply teenager... you don't know Jack
Schidt.


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"Ron Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> Judging by your insults, and calling a reported observation a lie, I
> would guess you are a democrat. For the record, I am an independent. I
> figure that if one gets too wrapped up in a political party, he might
> forget his country.
>
> I saw what I saw. Whether it is representative I can't say, given that
> I saw only a minescule percentage of the European population, and have
> seen only a similarly small percentage of the US population. It is
> interesting that your numbers corelate nicely with the income of the
> people of the countries you mentioned. I suppose you would advocate
> that if we want to slim down, we should reduce our income to that of the
> mentioned countries. If so, you first.

Fyi, having lived for five yeras in the US and having grown up in Italy
(where all my family resides) I can tell you that the average italian has a
better quality of life than the average american (enjoys better vacations,
better food and lives in a nicer house). In fact, Italy (which is only as
big as California) is the 6th richest country in the world. With that said,
let me remind you that most of the people you consider average as far as
weight in the US would be considered fat (or at least over weight) in Italy.
And the people you consider fat here, well...you just never see them in
Italy.

"Ron Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> Axel Kurth wrote:
>
> > Simone Kerby wrote:
> >
> >>AMERICAN FOOD vs EUROPEAN FOOD
> >>
> >>In general, which offers a more healthy diet?
> >>
> >>Americans tend toward fast foods, either take-out
> >>or home cooking that does not take too much time
> >>to prepare.
> >>
> >>In Europe, people still spend hours over a hot stove.
> >>People still stop at the market on the way home from
> >>work instead of weekly or monthly shopping as in
> >>North America.
> >>
> >>What are your favorite American dishes?
> >>
> >>What are your favorite European dishes?
> >>
> >>What are your thoughts on the difference in these 2
> >>styles of cuisine?
> >
> >
> > now if you ask me, there is no difference between american or european
> > food, I have had great meals in either place many times. if the cook
> > is crap the food is crap in either location, if you like food
> > which tastes better after you ate it (Mc.. B...K.. etc) than you can
> > get that also on both sides of the big water.
> > what realy is the difference is the way and what they eat in the US
> > junk food fast food which feeds you on a fast road to the grave
> > that makes the obesety and unhelthiness you see so much in the US
>
> Not everyone in the US eats that way, nor does anyone force you to eat a
> burger and fries. I suggest that in any large US city you can find food
> to match, or beat, anything available in Europe, or anywhere in the
> world. You just have to find it, and be willing to pay for it.

And here is the reason why in the US, low and middle class is mostly fat.

> I
> suspect that the effects of a good brat sandwich in Germany is as least
> as detrimental to your health as a burger and fries at a US Burger King.
> And if obesity is so rampant in the US, then our lifespan would reflect
> it, but this is simply not the case.
> Nutritionists will tell you that you will live longer if you maintain a
> diet just short of starvation, but who would WANT to live 100 years on
> the edge of starvation?

Refrain yourslf from any further comment. You are quickly becoming the idiot
of this NG.

"Ron Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> To get that
> quality in the US, one must pay large bills.

That's so sad considering what you can eat at an Italian Trattoria for
twenty bucks.

"Sloopy" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "M@ster" > wrote:
>
> > Fyi, having lived for five yeras in the US and having grown up in Italy
> > (where all my family resides) I can tell you that the average italian
has a
> > better quality of life than the average american (enjoys better
vacations,
> > better food and lives in a nicer house). In fact, Italy (which is only
as
> > big as California) is the 6th richest country in the world.
>
> Based on what?
>
> Based on the purchasing power of the per capita income of its citizens
> (the only sensible way to measure that), the United States is third,
> behind Luxembourg and Norway. Italy is 25th.

I am not considering rich people (they higher the average of course),
therefore you can't make it on a per capita basis. We are considering only
middle class.