i know they are made with yeast but don't all the yeast die after the
cooking or brewing? besides, all the sugar added to dough gets used up
by the yeast. then the yeast is killed during the baking process.
so, why can't we consume these products?

these foods are simple carbohydrates - or fermented foods - these
create an environment yeast love. you eat bread - it becomes sugar
quickly which is the fuel yeast consume. Mushrooms are a fungus which
carry other fungus along with them. Beer and vinegar are fermented.

these foods also cause dampness in the body creating an environment
that yeast love. this is from the chinese medicine perspective - look
up dampness and chinese medicine on google and youll see it. the foods
above also change the pH - it has nothing to do with yeast in the food
- it has to do with the environment they provide.

if youd like check out this site - www.healthegoods.com
it is dedicated to health promotion and carries great products - soon
they will have lots of supplements that physicians only can carry -
that means the highest quality.

Stay away from the foods you listed though! Eat protein, fiber and
non-starchy vegetables. Eat any sugar, simple carbs or fermented foods
and the yeast will remain.

also recommend taking a probiotic - like acidophilis. Also would
recommend oregano oil, lots of fresh garlic - not cooked - it kills the
activity.

Sam

I don't believe acidophilus is a probiotic. Close but no cigar.

"Sam C." > wrote in message
oups.com...
> these foods are simple carbohydrates - or fermented foods - these
> create an environment yeast love. you eat bread - it becomes sugar
> quickly which is the fuel yeast consume. Mushrooms are a fungus which
> carry other fungus along with them. Beer and vinegar are fermented.
>
> these foods also cause dampness in the body creating an environment
> that yeast love. this is from the chinese medicine perspective - look
> up dampness and chinese medicine on google and youll see it. the foods
> above also change the pH - it has nothing to do with yeast in the food
> - it has to do with the environment they provide.
>
> if youd like check out this site - www.healthegoods.com
> it is dedicated to health promotion and carries great products - soon
> they will have lots of supplements that physicians only can carry -
> that means the highest quality.
>
> Stay away from the foods you listed though! Eat protein, fiber and
> non-starchy vegetables. Eat any sugar, simple carbs or fermented foods
> and the yeast will remain.
>
> also recommend taking a probiotic - like acidophilis. Also would
> recommend oregano oil, lots of fresh garlic - not cooked - it kills the
> activity.
>
> Sam
>

The short answer is there's no reason in the world not to eat these
foods when you have a yeast (candida) infection. Anybody telling you
otherwise is just pushing non-understanding of physiology, plus perhaps
some stupid Chinese astrological horseshit that manages to retain
respect only because a lot of English speakers figure that anything
that hard to understand, must contain some secret wisdom (plus, they
watched David Carrodine Kung Fu people on TV, when they were kids).

You want to know what drinking vinegar does to the pH of your body?
Exactly nothing. It's metabolized to CO2 and water, and the CO2 goes
off in your breath. Vinegar is no more acidifying than sugar or fat.
And less acidifying than protein.

SBH

Can't consume bread, mushrooms, vinegar, beer, etc. if you have yeast
infection?

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" wrote:

> The short answer is there's no reason in the world not to eat these
> foods when you have a yeast (candida) infection. Anybody telling you
> otherwise is just pushing non-understanding of physiology, plus perhaps
> some stupid Chinese astrological horseshit that manages to retain
> respect only because a lot of English speakers figure that anything
> that hard to understand, must contain some secret wisdom (plus, they
> watched David Carrodine Kung Fu people on TV, when they were kids).
>
> You want to know what drinking vinegar does to the pH of your body?
> Exactly nothing. It's metabolized to CO2 and water, and the CO2 goes
> off in your breath. Vinegar is no more acidifying than sugar or fat.
> And less acidifying than protein.

It's wierd tho - my gyn doctor recommends yogurt for chronic yeast
infections. In spite of the OP's notion that a fermented acid product is
bad news, we are sure it helps reduce yeast infection. She was quick
to point out it should be eaten, not used otherwise!
Edrena

How would vinegar get metabolized into these compounds? Magic?

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The short answer is there's no reason in the world not to eat these
> foods when you have a yeast (candida) infection. Anybody telling you
> otherwise is just pushing non-understanding of physiology, plus perhaps
> some stupid Chinese astrological horseshit that manages to retain
> respect only because a lot of English speakers figure that anything
> that hard to understand, must contain some secret wisdom (plus, they
> watched David Carrodine Kung Fu people on TV, when they were kids).
>
> You want to know what drinking vinegar does to the pH of your body?
> Exactly nothing. It's metabolized to CO2 and water, and the CO2 goes
> off in your breath. Vinegar is no more acidifying than sugar or fat.
> And less acidifying than protein.
>
> SBH
>

in article 1105137527.f9ae705115257adbc040685123dad92d@terane ws, Piezo Guru
at wrote on 1/7/05 17:41:

> How would vinegar get metabolized into these compounds? Magic?
>
> "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> The short answer is there's no reason in the world not to eat these
>> foods when you have a yeast (candida) infection. Anybody telling you
>> otherwise is just pushing non-understanding of physiology, plus perhaps
>> some stupid Chinese astrological horseshit that manages to retain
>> respect only because a lot of English speakers figure that anything
>> that hard to understand, must contain some secret wisdom (plus, they
>> watched David Carrodine Kung Fu people on TV, when they were kids).
>>
>> You want to know what drinking vinegar does to the pH of your body?
>> Exactly nothing. It's metabolized to CO2 and water, and the CO2 goes
>> off in your breath. Vinegar is no more acidifying than sugar or fat.
>> And less acidifying than protein.
>>
>> SBH
Piezo,

Vinegar is nothing more than a dilute solution of acetic acid. Supermarket
vinegar is 5% acetic acid by volume. Cut that in half, and you could also
use it in the film development process - the stop bath, which stops the
developer action, is often nothing more than an acetic acid solution!

Dieter Zakas

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:41:03 -0500, "Piezo Guru" >
wrote:

>How would vinegar get metabolized into these compounds? Magic?

The "active ingredient" in vinegar is acetic acid. That is a normal
body chemical. Your body's metabolism of sugar includes a step where a
form of acetic acid is made. So you really are converting acetic acid
to CO2 and water all the time.


bob

So it is magic then? or does it take an alkaline substance to do this?

Wouldn't that lower the pH level in your body as it uses it's alkaline
reserves to accomplish neutralizing of an acid compound? Isn't this basic
grade 9 chemistry?

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:41:03 -0500, "Piezo Guru" >
> wrote:
>
> >How would vinegar get metabolized into these compounds? Magic?
>
> The "active ingredient" in vinegar is acetic acid. That is a normal
> body chemical. Your body's metabolism of sugar includes a step where a
> form of acetic acid is made. So you really are converting acetic acid
> to CO2 and water all the time.
>
>
> bob
>

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:44:55 -0500, "Piezo Guru" >
wrote:

>So it is magic then?

no, it is normal metabolism.


>or does it take an alkaline substance to do this?
>
>Wouldn't that lower the pH level in your body as it uses it's alkaline
>reserves to accomplish neutralizing of an acid compound? Isn't this basic
>grade 9 chemistry?

Ah, now a very specific concern, the difference between acetic acid
and the acetate ion. Yes, it costs one molecule of alkali. But with
normal ingestion of vinegar, this is a negligible demand on your
system. So, the point you make here is qualitatively correct, but
quantitatively negligible.

bob


>
>"Bob" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:41:03 -0500, "Piezo Guru" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >How would vinegar get metabolized into these compounds? Magic?
>>
>> The "active ingredient" in vinegar is acetic acid. That is a normal
>> body chemical. Your body's metabolism of sugar includes a step where a
>> form of acetic acid is made. So you really are converting acetic acid
>> to CO2 and water all the time.
>>
>>
>> bob
>>
>

It is not wise to rip on an ancient proven medicine - especially if you
are ignorant in how it operates. Your response is lame and without
support.

If you have candida - eat those foods and you will notice a flare up of
symptoms. If you avoid them - your symptoms will be much less.

All the above foods cause dampness. There is no disputing that. You
have a sinus infection or coughing up mass phlegm - drink milk, eat
bread and sugar - youre going to be coughing up way more. This occurs
as dampness creates more yin - which is fluid in the body - when this
occurs, yang - which is movement and fire - is blocked. This impedes
the digestive fire thereby creating dampness - thereby creating a great
environment for candida.

You think Im a quack - that's fine. Go buy your drugs and mess with
your beneficial flora and liver. If you dont - you saved yourself a
visit to the doctor every time you get sick with an URI which can be
lessened by diet. Eat ginger, garlic - warming spice foods which will
stimulate your digestive fire and rid the dampness.

You want to dispute proven medicine - you cant. You want to tell those
millions of patients treated for the past 1000+ years that they got
healthy from pills - dont think so.

Ignorance is not a good thing to have. Be open and learn when
something pops up new instead of bashing on it due to fear of the
unknown.

Respect a form of medicine that works AND saves billions of dollars a
year.

Like what I have to say - go to www.healthegoods.com - where everything
is health promoting and non-pharmaceutical. I dont think Sbharris will
be visiting there...he'd rather take some drugs and drink beer while
having candida. Enjoy it. Drug companies love that....so do fungi and
yeast.

You going to tell me that steroids are ok to take as well??

Sam

Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:
> The short answer is there's no reason in the world not to eat these
> foods when you have a yeast (candida) infection. Anybody telling you
> otherwise is just pushing non-understanding of physiology, plus
perhaps
> some stupid Chinese astrological horseshit that manages to retain
> respect only because a lot of English speakers figure that anything
> that hard to understand, must contain some secret wisdom (plus, they
> watched David Carrodine Kung Fu people on TV, when they were kids).
>
> You want to know what drinking vinegar does to the pH of your body?
> Exactly nothing. It's metabolized to CO2 and water, and the CO2 goes
> off in your breath. Vinegar is no more acidifying than sugar or fat.
> And less acidifying than protein.
>
> SBH

I have proven that yin & yang are the complete opposite. This cannot be
disputed, by your own words, because it is medical.

Now what?



"Sam C." > wrote in message
oups.com...
> It is not wise to rip on an ancient proven medicine - especially if you
> are ignorant in how it operates. Your response is lame and without
> support.
>
> If you have candida - eat those foods and you will notice a flare up of
> symptoms. If you avoid them - your symptoms will be much less.
>
> All the above foods cause dampness. There is no disputing that. You
> have a sinus infection or coughing up mass phlegm - drink milk, eat
> bread and sugar - youre going to be coughing up way more. This occurs
> as dampness creates more yin - which is fluid in the body - when this
> occurs, yang - which is movement and fire - is blocked. This impedes
> the digestive fire thereby creating dampness - thereby creating a great
> environment for candida.
>
> You think Im a quack - that's fine. Go buy your drugs and mess with
> your beneficial flora and liver. If you dont - you saved yourself a
> visit to the doctor every time you get sick with an URI which can be
> lessened by diet. Eat ginger, garlic - warming spice foods which will
> stimulate your digestive fire and rid the dampness.
>
> You want to dispute proven medicine - you cant. You want to tell those
> millions of patients treated for the past 1000+ years that they got
> healthy from pills - dont think so.
>
> Ignorance is not a good thing to have. Be open and learn when
> something pops up new instead of bashing on it due to fear of the
> unknown.
>
> Respect a form of medicine that works AND saves billions of dollars a
> year.
>
> Like what I have to say - go to www.healthegoods.com - where everything
> is health promoting and non-pharmaceutical. I dont think Sbharris will
> be visiting there...he'd rather take some drugs and drink beer while
> having candida. Enjoy it. Drug companies love that....so do fungi and
> yeast.
>
> You going to tell me that steroids are ok to take as well??
>
> Sam
>
> Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > The short answer is there's no reason in the world not to eat these
> > foods when you have a yeast (candida) infection. Anybody telling you
> > otherwise is just pushing non-understanding of physiology, plus
> perhaps
> > some stupid Chinese astrological horseshit that manages to retain
> > respect only because a lot of English speakers figure that anything
> > that hard to understand, must contain some secret wisdom (plus, they
> > watched David Carrodine Kung Fu people on TV, when they were kids).
> >
> > You want to know what drinking vinegar does to the pH of your body?
> > Exactly nothing. It's metabolized to CO2 and water, and the CO2 goes
> > off in your breath. Vinegar is no more acidifying than sugar or fat.
> > And less acidifying than protein.
> >
> > SBH
>

LOL. Ancient Chinese Secret, eh? Too many Kung Fu movies, like I said.
You like the ones like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon where they fly
though the air? How about that Steven Segal one where he wakes from a
coma and has to cure his muscle contractures with moxibustion? Long
before Kill Bill, there was Hard to Kill. Love that stuff.

Fantasy aside, the Chinese are actually buying Western drugs as fast as
they can get them. One of the billion US dollars worth of Pfizer drugs
sold in China last year was Diflucan, an antibiotic for funguses,
including Candida.

http://www.pfizer.com.cn/htmls/edex/EDEX4-10.HTM

(Shanghai, October 29, 2004) - Pfizer China announced today Shanghai
will be the home of its new regional headquarters and that the company
has established a new entity in Shanghai, the Pfizer Investment Holding
Company. With the required approvals from the Ministry of Commerce and
the Shanghai Municipal Government, the newly founded Pfizer China
Regional Headquarters will work to consolidate and integrate the
resources of the company to further Pfizer's investment in the China
market.

Mr. Alan Taylor, Pfizer Pharmaceuticals Regional President for Asia,
presided over the ceremony. "World-class cities attract world-class
companies and that is why we are here," said Mr. Taylor. "China is an
important part of Pfizer's global development strategy. We wanted an
increased presence here and an entity to help us to expedite our
investment, and that is the core mission of the new Regional
Headquarters," Mr. Taylor added.

Mr. Allan Gabor, Chairman and General Manager of Pfizer Investment
Holding Co., emphasized, "We have said we are committed, and we are a
company driven by putting action behind our words." Mr Gabor continued,
"We appreciate all of the support given by the Shanghai Municipal
Government in the establishment of our Regional Headquarters in
Shanghai. Our intention is to play an even greater role in the
development of the healthcare environment here."

The new Regional Headquarters will be located at in the CITIC Square in
the Jing'an District of Shanghai.

Pfizer has long been committed to the development of healthcare in
China since it first entered the market in the early 1980s. To date,
Pfizer's business in China covers three sectors: Human and Animal
Pharmaceuticals and Drug Delivery. Among those, Pfizer's investment for
its pharmaceutical business alone has been over US$500 million. The
company has state-of-the-art pharmaceutical facilities in Dalian,
Suzhou and Wuxi, with over 1500 employees. In addition, the company's
Dalian plant has grown to become a product supply point for Pfizer
Global Manufacturing in the Asia-Pacific Region.

Pfizer has launched more than 40 new products in China to address
medical needs in the disease areas of cardiovascular, endocrinology,
neuroscience, infectious disease, arthritis and inflammation, urology,
ophthalmology and oncology. Seven of Pfizer's 10 products with global
sales of more than US$1 billion have been marketed in China, namely,
Lipitor, Norvasc, Celebrex, Viagra, Diflucan, Zithromax and Zoloft.

An important role of the new investment company will be to facilitate
new product entry into China. In the coming five years, Pfizer plans to
launch another 15 new drugs in China, which are targeted at improving
the lives of patients throughout China. Featured by outstanding
profiles of efficacy and safety, Pfizer's medicines are widely
prescribed and accepted by an increasing number of physicians and
patients.

Pfizer also plays an active role in the communities where it operates,
and the company gets involved in such activities as health education,
medical training, disease control, charitable donations and disaster
relief. This year, the Forbes Chinese Version named Pfizer in the top
three most philanthropic companies in the 2003 MNCs Charity Donation
List in China. Until now, Pfizer China has sponsored various community
programs with more than RMB50 million yuan.

In Shanghai, Pfizer is involved with a Teen Healthcare Education
Program together with Shanghai Pudong Social Worker Association. The
company also works with the Shanghai Huashan Anti-infective Institute
to guide physicians on the appropriate use of antibiotic medications.
Furthermore, Pfizer will launch an Anti-Cancer Education Program with
American Cancer Society (ACS), and in association with the Shanghai
Drug Administration and the Shanghai Administration of Industry and
Commerce. The global company recently also conducted
Anti-Counterfeiting Training to protect Chinese patients the hazardous
risk of counterfeit drugs.

# # #

For more information, please contact Pfizer Investment Holding Co.,
Ltd.
Wang Xunbiao, Communications & Media Manager, 010 65880288-6008

"And less acidifying than protein"

Protein .. ?

Which 'type' of .. protein ..

Animal or vegetable ..

Who loves ya.
Tom
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Man Is A Herbivore!
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
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Can't consume bread, mushrooms, vinegar, beer, etc. if you have yeast
infection?

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" wrote:

> The short answer is there's no reason in the world not to eat these
> foods when you have a yeast (candida) infection. Anybody telling you
> otherwise is just pushing non-understanding of physiology, plus perhaps
> some stupid Chinese astrological horseshit that manages to retain
> respect only because a lot of English speakers figure that anything
> that hard to understand, must contain some secret wisdom (plus, they
> watched David Carrodine Kung Fu people on TV, when they were kids).
>
> You want to know what drinking vinegar does to the pH of your body?
> Exactly nothing. It's metabolized to CO2 and water, and the CO2 goes
> off in your breath. Vinegar is no more acidifying than sugar or fat.
> And less acidifying than protein.

It's wierd tho - my gyn doctor recommends yogurt for chronic yeast
infections. In spite of the OP's notion that a fermented acid product is
bad news, we are sure it helps reduce yeast infection. She was quick
to point out it should be eaten, not used otherwise!
Edrena

"And less acidifying than protein"

Protein .. ?

Which 'type' of .. protein ..

Animal or vegetable ..

Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking