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Anthony wrote:
> Well I've tried diligently to introduce sheep meat to our diet - I've made > leg of lamb, lamb chops, rack of lamb, lamb curry, you name it. But my > conclusion is that meat from the pig and the cow are easier to prepare and > to cook and generally give better results. Soooooo................Good bye > Dolly. > > Taste better too.. YMMV -- Steve Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it. |
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Well I've tried diligently to introduce sheep meat to our diet - I've made
leg of lamb, lamb chops, rack of lamb, lamb curry, you name it. But my conclusion is that meat from the pig and the cow are easier to prepare and to cook and generally give better results. Soooooo................Good bye Dolly. |
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Anthony wrote:
> Well I've tried diligently to introduce sheep meat to our diet - I've made > leg of lamb, lamb chops, rack of lamb, lamb curry, you name it. But my > conclusion is that meat from the pig and the cow are easier to prepare and > to cook and generally give better results. Soooooo................Good bye > Dolly. What have you done wrong? I find lamb no more work to prepare than beef or pork and usually get excellent results. Leg of lamb is my favourite cut of meat for roasting, and I would rather have grilled lamb loin chops than a steak any day. |
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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
... > Anthony wrote: > > > Well I've tried diligently to introduce sheep meat to our diet - I've made > > leg of lamb, lamb chops, rack of lamb, lamb curry, you name it. But my > > conclusion is that meat from the pig and the cow are easier to prepare and > > to cook and generally give better results. Soooooo................Good bye > > Dolly. > I've been feeling the same way. I always liked lamb but hadn't seen any in the stores lately. So I bought some from a local organic farmer. It's fatty, tastes unpleasant, and stinks up the house when I cook it. But I remember Mom once saying that when she was a kid and WWII rationing was going on, one of the neighbors used to stink up the whole neighborhood cooking mutton. Now I wonder if I bought rather elderly lamb and it really makes that much difference. Does anyone here know how to tell if what's for sale is lamb or mutton? Kathy |
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![]() "Dave Smith" > wrote in message ... > > What have you done wrong? I find lamb no more work to prepare than beef or > pork and usually get excellent results. Leg of lamb is my favourite cut of > meat for roasting, and I would rather have grilled lamb loin chops than a > steak any day. > Just a case of chacun a son gout, I think. From now on I'm going to have lamb only at restaurants where I know the chef to be reliable. At home, it's gonna be beef and pork. |
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![]() "Steve Wertz" > wrote in message news ![]() > On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:35:48 GMT, "Kathy" > wrote: > > >Does anyone here know how to tell if what's for sale is lamb or > >mutton? Lamb is smaller and lighter in colour. When cooked lamb is "sweeter" and less gamey, and more tender than mutton. Lamb is good prepared in almost any way including roasting and grilling (depending on cut) whereas older beasts are better stewed to tenderise them. The strong flavour of older sheep meats may require special attention and be less attractive to those who are used to more bland meats. > > Sheep/Mutton is inedible. You'd know if you got an old lamb. It > wouldn't be anything like lamb. It's not possible for a retailer > to sell mutton as lamb. > > -sw Mutton is not inedible unless you treat it like it was lamb. Would you say shin of beef or chuck steak was inedible just because it is a little chewy when treated like eye fillet? It is quite possible for an unscrupulous retailer to sell, or attempt to sell, more aged sheep as lamb. In some places lamb meat is marked at the abattoir specifically to try to prevent this substiution. However this is generally to prevent hogget (which might be called two-tooth) being confused with lamb not the older mutton, because as you infer mutton is fairly obviously different once you have seen them both. David |
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:41:23 GMT, sf wrote:
> Be careful... people can actually be allergic to lamb! If > they aren't allergic, it can be the last red meat that "old > people" give up. People can be allergic to almost anything. Doh! -- Tim. If the human brain were simple enough that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn't. |
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:35:48 GMT, "Kathy" >
wrote: > "Dave Smith" > wrote in message > ... > > Anthony wrote: > > > > > Well I've tried diligently to introduce sheep meat to our diet Be careful... people can actually be allergic to lamb! If they aren't allergic, it can be the last red meat that "old people" give up. > > > - I've made > > > leg of lamb, lamb chops, rack of lamb, lamb curry, you name it. But my > > > conclusion is that meat from the pig and the cow are easier to prepare > > > and to cook and generally give better results. > > > Soooooo................Good > > > bye > > > Dolly. > > > > I've been feeling the same way. I always liked lamb but hadn't seen any in > the stores lately. So I bought some from a local organic farmer. It's fatty, > tastes unpleasant, and stinks up the house when I cook it. You're cooking it (fatty meat) with the heat too high, that's why it stinks. > I remember > Mom once saying that when she was a kid and WWII rationing was going on, one > of the neighbors used to stink up the whole neighborhood cooking mutton. Now > I wonder if I bought rather elderly lamb and it really makes that much > difference. Does anyone here know how to tell if what's for sale is lamb or > mutton? > If you're in the US, we have "Truth in Labeling" here. If you're not, you're at the whim of your country's laws. As far as lamb is concerned, I used to hear that any lamb over 6 months had a mutton flavor, then I heard that there was a window in the first year where they tasted funny... after that they tasted fine. Now, I don't know what to believe. All I know is that there IS a difference between grass and grain fed AND that every New Zealand/Australian lamb I've ever tried tasted like mutton... until last year. Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:22:32 GMT, MisNomer > wrote:
>We learned to cook lamb in highschool. It was very good! Little bit of >oregano, basil, garlic ... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... if it wasn't so expensive up >here, Calgary, i would cook it. Roast leg of lamb... goodness haven't had that >since the greek boyfriend ..... I had a Greek (of Greek descent, that is) friend who said he liked beef because it didn't taste like lamb. :-) |
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Anthony > wrote:
> Well I've tried diligently to introduce sheep meat to our diet - I've made > leg of lamb, lamb chops, rack of lamb, lamb curry, you name it. But my > conclusion is that meat from the pig and the cow are easier to prepare and > to cook and generally give better results. Soooooo................Good bye To each his own. I don't see how lamb is any more difficult or easier to cook than any other meat. Lamb chops are one of my favorites and they are incredibly easy to prepare in a variety of different ways. I like to sprinkle Penzy's lamb seasoning blend on lamb chops and pop them under a broiler. What's difficult about that? |
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![]() > wrote in message ... > Anthony > wrote: > > Well I've tried diligently to introduce sheep meat to our diet - I've made > > leg of lamb, lamb chops, rack of lamb, lamb curry, you name it. But my > > conclusion is that meat from the pig and the cow are easier to prepare and > > to cook and generally give better results. Soooooo................Good bye > > To each his own. I don't see how lamb is any more difficult or easier to > cook than any other meat. Lamb chops are one of my favorites and they are > incredibly easy to prepare in a variety of different ways. I like to sprinkle > Penzy's lamb seasoning blend on lamb chops and pop them under a broiler. What's > difficult about that? Nothing at all in my book (apart from getting hold of Penzey's spices in Ireland - I sometimes use Schwarz Lamb Seasoning mix on a joint or chops). Lamb is one of my favourite foods, and living in the west of Ireland, I'm surrounded by it - on the hoof and in the shops. Right now we're getting the very early spring lambs - so tender they melt in the mouth - and nothing strong about the taste at all. I've got four lamb shanks sitting in the fridge waiting to be braised in some Guinness tomorrow night - but my favourite, Greek inspired, way of eating lamb is as follows: Get a leg joint, and rub half a garlic clove all over it. Sprinkle on some powdered cinnamon, and sit it on top of some sprigs of fresh mint in a roasting dish, over which you've laid a large piece of foil (big enough to bring up and over the lamb, with a seal at the top). Squish a couple more garlic cloves, and press on to the outside of the lamb. Squeeze the juice of a lemon over, then drizzle on some EVOO. Put sprigs of fresh oregano on each side of the joint, and pop some on top. Bring the sides of the foil up, and turn over a few times to seal (so the meat is totally enclosed). Put into a medium oven, and cook until the meat is falling off the bone. Then open the foil up, fold it back, and return the dish to the oven for a further 20 - 30 minutes, until the lamb browns nicely. Best eaten with freshly made bread, using fingers. I like lamb cutlets pink, but there's a lot to be said for really well done lamb, too (much more than can be said for well done beef, which is an abomination ![]() from what I can tell, lamb in the US is a bit different from what I'm used to. I like mutton, too, but it's hard to get hold of. I think of it as a 'gamey' meat - probably a bit of an acquired taste - it stands up to robust sauces very well - especially Cumberland sauce, I find. Are there any areas of the US where lamb is common? I've got the impression from this NG that it's a bit of a rarity there, and expensive when you can find it - is this right? Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 05/03/04 |
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"Darkginger" > wrote in message >...
> > wrote in message ... > > Anthony > wrote: > > > Well I've tried diligently to introduce sheep meat to our diet - I've > made > > > leg of lamb, lamb chops, rack of lamb, lamb curry, you name it. But my > > > conclusion is that meat from the pig and the cow are easier to prepare > and > > > to cook and generally give better results. Soooooo................Good > bye > > > > To each his own. I don't see how lamb is any more difficult or easier to > > cook than any other meat. Lamb chops are one of my favorites and they are > > incredibly easy to prepare in a variety of different ways. I like to > sprinkle > > Penzy's lamb seasoning blend on lamb chops and pop them under a broiler. > What's > > difficult about that? > > Nothing at all in my book (apart from getting hold of Penzey's spices in > Ireland - I sometimes use Schwarz Lamb Seasoning mix on a joint or chops). > Lamb is one of my favourite foods, and living in the west of Ireland, I'm > surrounded by it - on the hoof and in the shops. Right now we're getting the > very early spring lambs - so tender they melt in the mouth - and nothing > strong about the taste at all. I've got four lamb shanks sitting in the > fridge waiting to be braised in some Guinness tomorrow night - but my > favourite, Greek inspired, way of eating lamb is as follows: > > Get a leg joint, and rub half a garlic clove all over it. Sprinkle on some > powdered cinnamon, and sit it on top of some sprigs of fresh mint in a > roasting dish, over which you've laid a large piece of foil (big enough to > bring up and over the lamb, with a seal at the top). Squish a couple more > garlic cloves, and press on to the outside of the lamb. Squeeze the juice of > a lemon over, then drizzle on some EVOO. Put sprigs of fresh oregano on each > side of the joint, and pop some on top. Bring the sides of the foil up, and > turn over a few times to seal (so the meat is totally enclosed). Put into a > medium oven, and cook until the meat is falling off the bone. Then open the > foil up, fold it back, and return the dish to the oven for a further 20 - 30 > minutes, until the lamb browns nicely. Best eaten with freshly made bread, > using fingers. > > I like lamb cutlets pink, but there's a lot to be said for really well done > lamb, too (much more than can be said for well done beef, which is an > abomination ![]() > from what I can tell, lamb in the US is a bit different from what I'm used > to. I like mutton, too, but it's hard to get hold of. I think of it as a > 'gamey' meat - probably a bit of an acquired taste - it stands up to robust > sauces very well - especially Cumberland sauce, I find. > > Are there any areas of the US where lamb is common? I've got the impression > from this NG that it's a bit of a rarity there, and expensive when you can > find it - is this right? > > Jo > > I'm with you Jo! I live in Australia and love lamb as well as other red meats. I do agree that lamb in the US of A is different because alot of it is imported whereas in Ireland and Oz we have it on our doorstep. I'm going to try your recipe of lamb in the foil just as soon as I can procure a leg of baa lamb. It sounds great. Like a pork roast with the meat falling off the bone, sweet and tender. Greek lamb dishes are wonderful - now there's a nation that lives off the sheep's back! I think your recipe is interesting because it uses mint and oregano rather than rosemary which I tend to use all the time. I'm visiting the States next month but I'll stick to beef and pork! Cheers Bronwyn (not Welsh!!) |
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![]() "hahabogus" > wrote in message ... > > > And What's wrong with the Welsh? > They sing Too loud Too often And Flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat |
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:38:42 GMT, Tim Challenger
<"timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at"> wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:41:23 GMT, sf wrote: > > > Be careful... people can actually be allergic to lamb! If > > they aren't allergic, it can be the last red meat that "old > > people" give up. > > People can be allergic to almost anything. Doh! Do you usually talk just to hear your self speak? Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:48:22 GMT, Frogleg
> wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:22:32 GMT, MisNomer > wrote: > > >We learned to cook lamb in highschool. It was very good! Little bit of > >oregano, basil, garlic ... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... if it wasn't so expensive up > >here, Calgary, i would cook it. Roast leg of lamb... goodness haven't had that > >since the greek boyfriend ..... > > I had a Greek (of Greek descent, that is) friend who said he liked > beef because it didn't taste like lamb. :-) That's a good enough reason. Eating would be boring if everything tasted the same. Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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"Anthony" > wrote in message >...
> "hahabogus" > wrote in message > ... > > > > > > And What's wrong with the Welsh? > > > They sing > > Too loud > > Too often > > And Flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat Nothing at all wrong with the Welsh! It's just my name is of Welsh origin but my dear mother, 86 and not yet departed, bless her, is of Scottish origin but just liked the name when my twin sister and I entered this world (twin has a good English name of Pamela, standard for era circa early 1950's...). I visited Wales in my early 20's and the good folk couldn't believe I didn't have Welsh ancestory!. I only mentioned all this because the poster I responded to lives in Ireland. I have found on many trips to the US of A that the name Bronwyn is unknown to the folk there except for regions around Boston and others are not even sure of the gender until we meet. Anyway, we digress off the subject of lamb but what the heck!! <grin> Bronwyn, the Aussie |
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![]() "hahabogus" > wrote in message ... > > So you're flat? > and hate singing? > > -- It was a line from an old Flanders and Swann song. Unfortunately I'm old enough to remember it! :-) |
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sf > wrote in message >. ..
[snip] > If you're in the US, we have "Truth in Labeling" here. If > you're not, you're at the whim of your country's laws. Which means, all a butcher in the US has to do in order to sell mutton and call it lamb is to get the USDA to agree that mutton is lamb. In the US, meat from a sheep less than one year old at slaughter is "lamb", even though meat from a sheep approaching one year looks, smells, cuts, and tastes exactly like mutton. -- Chris Green |
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Lamb is probably our favorite protein. We don't have it nearly as
often as we would like. It has become tradition for me to serve it on Easter. Every year, I find a different way to cook it. This year, I am going to use a Penzey's recipe. It will be seasoned with garlic (of course) and the Bavarian Seasoning mix. I will serve it with roasted new potatoes and a salad. We will drink a Merlot with it. Dessert will be a cake in the shape of an Easter Egg and suitablely decorated. |
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"Darkginger" > wrote in message >...
> fridge waiting to be braised in some Guinness tomorrow night - but my > favourite, Greek inspired, way of eating lamb is as follows: > > Get a leg joint, and rub half a garlic clove all over it. Sprinkle on some > powdered cinnamon, and sit it on top of some sprigs of fresh mint in a > roasting dish, over which you've laid a large piece of foil (big enough to > bring up and over the lamb, with a seal at the top). Squish a couple more > garlic cloves, and press on to the outside of the lamb. Squeeze the juice of > a lemon over, then drizzle on some EVOO. Put sprigs of fresh oregano on each > side of the joint, and pop some on top. Bring the sides of the foil up, and > turn over a few times to seal (so the meat is totally enclosed). Put into a > medium oven, and cook until the meat is falling off the bone. Then open the > foil up, fold it back, and return the dish to the oven for a further 20 - 30 > minutes, until the lamb browns nicely. Best eaten with freshly made bread, > using fingers.ind it - is this right? > .... > Jo > That sounds so good -- crispy on the outside, still moist and tender on the indide. Also the technique sounds like it would work well with garlic, coriander and cumin. -bwg The hypocritical attempts to create "codes of ethics" for acts that are illegal and immoral is intended to cloak a brutal, cynical and manipulative system in a mantle of respectability. -Meron Benvenisti (Haaretz Daily, 3/12/2004) |
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"Darkginger" > wrote in message >...
Sorry. I should have read your whole posting and replied all at once. > I like lamb cutlets pink, but there's a lot to be said for really well done > lamb, too (much more than can be said for well done beef, which is an Especially lamb shoulder chops. They pretty much need to be well done or nearly so. And grilled lamb shoulder chops have a totally diffferent taste and texture from lamb loin or rib chops or leg of lamb. I like rubbed with a broken garlic cove before grilling, and served with a little ketchup (or, shudder, curry ketchup). > abomination ![]() > from what I can tell, lamb in the US is a bit different from what I'm used > to. I like mutton, too, but it's hard to get hold of. I think of it as a > 'gamey' meat - probably a bit of an acquired taste - it stands up to robust > sauces very well - especially Cumberland sauce, I find. > > Are there any areas of the US where lamb is common? I've got the impression It's common in my neighborhood in Chicago. Goat is also pretty available in my hood. But my neighborhood has a large concentration of Greeks, Arabs, Pakistanis and Indians. It's harder to find lamb loin than leg, shoulder and shanks. I have a section of lamb spare ribs, I guess that's the best way to call them, in my freezer. They're great braised with tomato sauce, chopped onion, garlic and olive oil, and when that's almost tender some okra and baby eggplant (the stores label them "Indian eggplant" added and braised until all is very tender. Also, in my neighborhood, around or just after Easter (Orthodox Easter) lamb heads and sweetbreads become available. My wife, who is Bulgarian and has worked in Greek restaurants in the US and in Cyprus, tells me that "sweetbreads" is a euphemism, and they are, in actuality, balls. The Greek words -- glykadaki and klitoraki -- sound similar. I've had them in a restaurant breaded and fried and served with a reduced red wine, tomato sauce, and cinnamon or allspice sauce. Great stuff. You have to sop up any left over sauce and juices with Greek bread. Tongues and kidneys are probably available around Easter too, although I've only seen the tongues, and I don't remember if it was soon after Easter. Oh, the Arab butchers also sell an organ they call "sleen" or "splean." I have no idea what it is. A way of using the head that my wife showed me is -- cook the head in water to cover (I would add aromatics and salt and pepper, but she doesn't) until the meat is falling of the bone. Pull the meat from the head, not using the brain and eyeballs or any other stuff that's not plain lamb meat. Reduce the liquid to a flavorable broth. Mix the liquid with the meat and enough rice to absorb the liquid. Coer and bake until the rice is cooked and the liquid is absorbed. Most (many?) supermarkets in Chicago sell lamb (at an exorbitant price) -- most often rib chops and shoulder chops, occasionally a loin section, mostly around the appropriate holidays the leg and shanks. I hardly ever shop in the chain supermarkets except for exotic stuff like kosher salt or orecchiette. > from this NG that it's a bit of a rarity there, and expensive when you can > find it - is this right? > > Jo -bwg Little Lamb, who made thee? -William Blake |
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"MisNomer" > wrote in message
... > Mine hadn't been assimilated yet. That retsina wine was awful, but then I've > never been a conisseur of fine wine. > > > take care > Liz > The secret to enjoying retsina is to drink it while eating feta cheese. If you don't like feta cheese, though, you're screwed :-). rona -- ***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** |
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Darkginger > wrote:
> Are there any areas of the US where lamb is common? I've got the impression > from this NG that it's a bit of a rarity there, and expensive when you can > find it - is this right? In most supermarkets in the Philadelphia area, good lamb is easy to find. In some of the upscale supermarkets such as Whole Foods, one can also buy New Zealand lamb. Not all cuts are available though. Typically, its easy to find lamb chops (blade, shoulder, and loin) and lamb shanks. Other cuts require a visit to a real butcher shop. |
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Darkginger > wrote:
> Are there any areas of the US where lamb is common? I've got the impression > from this NG that it's a bit of a rarity there, and expensive when you can > find it - is this right? In most supermarkets in the Philadelphia area, good lamb is easy to find. In some of the upscale supermarkets such as Whole Foods, one can also buy New Zealand lamb. Not all cuts are available though. Typically, its easy to find lamb chops (blade, shoulder, and loin) and lamb shanks. Other cuts require a visit to a real butcher shop. |
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"Anthony" > wrote: > Well I've tried diligently to introduce sheep meat to our diet - I've made > leg of lamb, lamb chops, rack of lamb, lamb curry, you name it. But my > conclusion is that meat from the pig and the cow are easier to prepare and > to cook and generally give better results. Soooooo................Good bye > Dolly. > > More for me, then. Dang. Miche -- If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud. -- Arlo Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant" |
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In article >,
"Anthony" > wrote: > Well I've tried diligently to introduce sheep meat to our diet - I've made > leg of lamb, lamb chops, rack of lamb, lamb curry, you name it. But my > conclusion is that meat from the pig and the cow are easier to prepare and > to cook and generally give better results. Soooooo................Good bye > Dolly. > > More for me, then. Dang. Miche -- If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud. -- Arlo Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant" |
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![]() "Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message ... > "MisNomer" > wrote in message > ... > > Mine hadn't been assimilated yet. That retsina wine was awful, but then > I've > > never been a conisseur of fine wine. > > > > > > take care > > Liz > > > > The secret to enjoying retsina is to drink it while eating feta cheese. If > you don't like feta cheese, though, you're screwed :-). > And here I've been using it to preserve ropes and dock pilings! -- Tank This Space To Let. |
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![]() "Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message ... > "MisNomer" > wrote in message > ... > > Mine hadn't been assimilated yet. That retsina wine was awful, but then > I've > > never been a conisseur of fine wine. > > > > > > take care > > Liz > > > > The secret to enjoying retsina is to drink it while eating feta cheese. If > you don't like feta cheese, though, you're screwed :-). > And here I've been using it to preserve ropes and dock pilings! -- Tank This Space To Let. |
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"Tank" > wrote in message
... > > > > And here I've been using it to preserve ropes and dock pilings! > > -- > Tank > > This Space To Let. > > And I say, "Whatever floats your boat" :-) (get it? Dock pilings...boat....nevermind). Poor retsina--it gets no respect! rona (doesn't like retsina, either) -- ***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** |
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"Tank" > wrote in message
... > > > > And here I've been using it to preserve ropes and dock pilings! > > -- > Tank > > This Space To Let. > > And I say, "Whatever floats your boat" :-) (get it? Dock pilings...boat....nevermind). Poor retsina--it gets no respect! rona (doesn't like retsina, either) -- ***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** |
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![]() "Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message ... > "Tank" > wrote in message > ... > > > > > > > > And here I've been using it to preserve ropes and dock pilings! > > > > -- > > Tank > > > > This Space To Let. > > > > > > And I say, "Whatever floats your boat" :-) (get it? Dock > pilings...boat....nevermind). Poor retsina--it gets no respect! > > rona (doesn't like retsina, either) Ba-da. Bump. Thankew, thankew. I'm here all week folks. Try the buffet. -- Tank This Space To Let. |
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![]() "Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message ... > "Tank" > wrote in message > ... > > > > > > > > And here I've been using it to preserve ropes and dock pilings! > > > > -- > > Tank > > > > This Space To Let. > > > > > > And I say, "Whatever floats your boat" :-) (get it? Dock > pilings...boat....nevermind). Poor retsina--it gets no respect! > > rona (doesn't like retsina, either) Ba-da. Bump. Thankew, thankew. I'm here all week folks. Try the buffet. -- Tank This Space To Let. |
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