"Tony P." wrote:

> Cash is much faster in my experience. But I'm a card swiper. By the time
> he/she scans the last item I'm ready to swipe the card and hit the
> credit button so I don't get whacked with the .35 POS charge. But the
> authorization process takes about 8 or 9 seconds. Then you have to wait
> for the receipt to print and then sign and go.

Cash, credit card, bank card. They are all about the same. Just have the damn card out
and ready to pay, or have your wallet out and ready to take some bills out. My beef is
with the people who stand there and watch everything being scanned and waiting until
they get the total before they even think about opening their purse to find their
wallet. The whole idea of going to the cashier is to pay for your groceries, so it
shouldn't be a surprise that you are going to have to have to pay.

PENMART01 wrote:
snip

> If you need to withdraw cash for personal expenses more
> than once a month you are poor.

And if you carry around that amount of cash, you're an ignorant
statistic waiting for an accident. It is far wiser to take out only what
you need at the time and no more.


jim

PENMART01 wrote:
snip

> If you need to withdraw cash for personal expenses more
> than once a month you are poor.

And if you carry around that amount of cash, you're an ignorant
statistic waiting for an accident. It is far wiser to take out only what
you need at the time and no more.


jim

PENMART01 wrote:
>>zxcvbob writes:

snip

>>Plastic is faster than cash; the minimum-wage cashiers can't count
>>change.
>
>
> I've never yet found that to be true... I find myself inevitably waiting for
> those plastic swipers, who can't remember PINs, haven't enough balance
> remaining so have to put stuff back, *and they want cash back too anyway*
> (blows your counting theory).... plus the friggin' low life food stampers who
> split orders; the milk, OJ, and bread for stamps, the beer and cigs they pay by
> check and want cash back yet (food stamps should be redeemed only at food stamp
> redemption centers, embarrass the *******s, maybe the worthless dreck will get
> a JOB... probably not).

Evidently you have never seen one of these cashiers try to figure out
how much change to give back when their register goes down. Most cannot
even operate a calculator, let alone back-count change.


jim

PENMART01 wrote:
>>zxcvbob writes:

snip

>>Plastic is faster than cash; the minimum-wage cashiers can't count
>>change.
>
>
> I've never yet found that to be true... I find myself inevitably waiting for
> those plastic swipers, who can't remember PINs, haven't enough balance
> remaining so have to put stuff back, *and they want cash back too anyway*
> (blows your counting theory).... plus the friggin' low life food stampers who
> split orders; the milk, OJ, and bread for stamps, the beer and cigs they pay by
> check and want cash back yet (food stamps should be redeemed only at food stamp
> redemption centers, embarrass the *******s, maybe the worthless dreck will get
> a JOB... probably not).

Evidently you have never seen one of these cashiers try to figure out
how much change to give back when their register goes down. Most cannot
even operate a calculator, let alone back-count change.


jim

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:30:28 -0500, Tony P.
> wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > >
> > I'm still missing your point too. WHAT wouldn't a 20
> > something do?
>
> Offer to let someone with heavy items go first. Here is another one
> having to do with public transit. The route on which I live has a
> combination of young, old, professional etc. that ride it every morning
> and night.
>
> One day the trolley is packed to the point that it is standing room only
> and a guy gets on with a cast on his left foot and a cane in his hand.
> Not one of the younger college kids offered this man their seat. I just
> shook my head and held onto the rail so I wouldn't get launched toward
> the back of the trolley when the driver took off.
>
> It is all too often I see this behavior. It is my firm opinion that
> anyone under 25 should be kept in a cage until that age hits. They
> should NOT be allowed to interact with the public.
>
Thanks for clarifing.

> Sheesh, I feel like an old ******* for saying that.

Times HAVE changed!

I'm always surprised when able bodied people get off their
butts to give seniors & the disabled their specially
designated seats at the front of the car.

Think about how many people offer to give up a seat to a
woman carrying a baby today... I came to this city at the
age of 16, when my brother was only 3 months old. It was my
job to pick him up from day care and I often took him there
too because it was just a couple of blocks away from my high
school and 1/2 a block off the street car tracks.

Every single time I took the streetcar with my baby brother
in tow, someone either offered to give me their seat or
offered to hold him so I could hang onto the rail and
balance my books. Of course, I had to endure the eternal
question: "Is he yours?". I finally stopped explaining and
just said, "yes". Well - he was in a manner of speaking!
My younger sister never got used to it, so when it was her
turn to take my brother to the sitter - she turned him over
to me on the street car and I fielded all the questions that
would have embarrassed her. Obviously, I had no sense of
shame!

LOL!

sf

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:30:28 -0500, Tony P.
> wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > >
> > I'm still missing your point too. WHAT wouldn't a 20
> > something do?
>
> Offer to let someone with heavy items go first. Here is another one
> having to do with public transit. The route on which I live has a
> combination of young, old, professional etc. that ride it every morning
> and night.
>
> One day the trolley is packed to the point that it is standing room only
> and a guy gets on with a cast on his left foot and a cane in his hand.
> Not one of the younger college kids offered this man their seat. I just
> shook my head and held onto the rail so I wouldn't get launched toward
> the back of the trolley when the driver took off.
>
> It is all too often I see this behavior. It is my firm opinion that
> anyone under 25 should be kept in a cage until that age hits. They
> should NOT be allowed to interact with the public.
>
Thanks for clarifing.

> Sheesh, I feel like an old ******* for saying that.

Times HAVE changed!

I'm always surprised when able bodied people get off their
butts to give seniors & the disabled their specially
designated seats at the front of the car.

Think about how many people offer to give up a seat to a
woman carrying a baby today... I came to this city at the
age of 16, when my brother was only 3 months old. It was my
job to pick him up from day care and I often took him there
too because it was just a couple of blocks away from my high
school and 1/2 a block off the street car tracks.

Every single time I took the streetcar with my baby brother
in tow, someone either offered to give me their seat or
offered to hold him so I could hang onto the rail and
balance my books. Of course, I had to endure the eternal
question: "Is he yours?". I finally stopped explaining and
just said, "yes". Well - he was in a manner of speaking!
My younger sister never got used to it, so when it was her
turn to take my brother to the sitter - she turned him over
to me on the street car and I fielded all the questions that
would have embarrassed her. Obviously, I had no sense of
shame!

LOL!

sf

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:35:09 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> >
> > Report back when you're in your 8th or 9th month or have
> > more than one small child to get in and out of your car for
> > whatever reason - it doesn't need to be grocery shopping.
> > My husband can barely handle one.
> >
>
> So my wife that does not quite qualify for a Handicapped spot (congestive
> heart failure) has to walk longer so that a 20 something with a kid can park
> closer?

Your wife certainly DOES qualify. Did I say she didn't?

> Equality means we all get equal treatment. Women fought for
> equality and now they want special consideration.
>
Please reread what I had to say. I'm not advocating special
parking spaces for women with children (a practice I didn't
know existed), I was asking the poster to not be so
unbelievably naive about the difficulties of handling small
children safely.


sf

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:35:09 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> >
> > Report back when you're in your 8th or 9th month or have
> > more than one small child to get in and out of your car for
> > whatever reason - it doesn't need to be grocery shopping.
> > My husband can barely handle one.
> >
>
> So my wife that does not quite qualify for a Handicapped spot (congestive
> heart failure) has to walk longer so that a 20 something with a kid can park
> closer?

Your wife certainly DOES qualify. Did I say she didn't?

> Equality means we all get equal treatment. Women fought for
> equality and now they want special consideration.
>
Please reread what I had to say. I'm not advocating special
parking spaces for women with children (a practice I didn't
know existed), I was asking the poster to not be so
unbelievably naive about the difficulties of handling small
children safely.


sf

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:57:12 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

> Anyone with young children can usually park in those spots. Men and
> grandparents, too, There are no legal requirements for them nor legal
> enforcement of them. They are placed as a courtesy by the stores/malls
> on their private property to appeal to the customers they want to
> attract.

Are you talking about designate handicapped parking
spaces???? There certainly ARE legal requirements attached!
I don't know where you live, but you'll get a $300 fine and
that's before they add on all the other fees, if you try it
w/o a handicapped license around here. Obviously, it's up
to your local gendarme to enforce the law.

sf

On 17 Jan 2005 01:40:58 GMT, (PENMART01)
wrote:

>
> Notice none of the cross posters are AOLers... they are all newbies with
> cheapo/freebie ISPs.

I keep going back to the posts people complain about being
cross posted (thinking I've accidently cross posted when I
replied) but they aren't, so I guess my news server strips
the cross posts... that's a good thing.



sf

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:10:29 GMT, Puester > wrote:

>Every time I get the store layout down pat, they move everything around.

No kidding! You often find Crash and me (who are confused 95% of the time
anyway), wandering up and down the end aisles, reading the signs above and
wondering if they meant "this" when they said "that." Often, there's no
rhyme or reason to the location of many items.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:10:29 GMT, Puester > wrote:

>Every time I get the store layout down pat, they move everything around.

No kidding! You often find Crash and me (who are confused 95% of the time
anyway), wandering up and down the end aisles, reading the signs above and
wondering if they meant "this" when they said "that." Often, there's no
rhyme or reason to the location of many items.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:44:55 -0600, Damsel
> wrote:

> A little planning makes it easier to get everything on the list without
> having to go back because you missed something at the beginning of the
> store.

Oh, come on Carol... live life on the edge and just make a
"list"!



sf

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:10:29 GMT, Puester
> wrote:

> Every time I get the store layout down pat, they move everything around.
>
> :-(

Ain't that the truth? And you're lucky if the layout (what
products they group in a section) makes any sense at all.

sf

I can't find the specific post quoted here so I will reply here.
--------------------------------------
PENMART01 wrote:
What fantasy world, my world is no fantasy, I'm living it... and cost
extra, no
way... I've never yet paid more because I use cash. In fact by paying
with
cash I pay less, with large purchases *substantially* less.... you
obviously
have never paid cash for a new car, I always have (wave hard cash under
the
sales manager's nose and the price goes way down), I've never had a car
loan...
in fact I've never had a personal loan for any reason.
---------------------------------------
I hate to be the one to break it to you but sales managers charge you
more when you pay cash. Reason being that they make money on the back
end buy adding a percent or two to the interest rate you were approved
at and they are paid that in advance by the finance company. It works
especially well if you go through the manufacturers financing like Ford
Credit or GMAC. I know this because I used to sell cars for Walker
Isuzu and BEST Chevrolet in Metairie, LA. You always come out better
arriving with your own financing and knowing what the invoice price is,
which is available on sites like Edmunds.com. It helps if you let them
make a little money, maybe a 1,000 or 1,500 on the sale. This is real
easy if there is cash back. You get the car for less than invoice, they
make money, it's a win win for everybody. If you go in there with an
attitude that you know what their cost is and you want a "deal" you
will get screwed, I guarantee it. I know because I screwed people who
treated me like shit and want me to sell them the car and make no
money. Car salespeople don't get a salary they get a percentage of the
profit, which is usually small on new cars (you make way more on used
cars), and if you want me to help you for free you can look elsewhere.
Sorry this is off-post and I'll get off my soapbox now.

Chris

I can't find the specific post quoted here so I will reply here.
--------------------------------------
PENMART01 wrote:
What fantasy world, my world is no fantasy, I'm living it... and cost
extra, no
way... I've never yet paid more because I use cash. In fact by paying
with
cash I pay less, with large purchases *substantially* less.... you
obviously
have never paid cash for a new car, I always have (wave hard cash under
the
sales manager's nose and the price goes way down), I've never had a car
loan...
in fact I've never had a personal loan for any reason.
---------------------------------------
I hate to be the one to break it to you but sales managers charge you
more when you pay cash. Reason being that they make money on the back
end buy adding a percent or two to the interest rate you were approved
at and they are paid that in advance by the finance company. It works
especially well if you go through the manufacturers financing like Ford
Credit or GMAC. I know this because I used to sell cars for Walker
Isuzu and BEST Chevrolet in Metairie, LA. You always come out better
arriving with your own financing and knowing what the invoice price is,
which is available on sites like Edmunds.com. It helps if you let them
make a little money, maybe a 1,000 or 1,500 on the sale. This is real
easy if there is cash back. You get the car for less than invoice, they
make money, it's a win win for everybody. If you go in there with an
attitude that you know what their cost is and you want a "deal" you
will get screwed, I guarantee it. I know because I screwed people who
treated me like shit and want me to sell them the car and make no
money. Car salespeople don't get a salary they get a percentage of the
profit, which is usually small on new cars (you make way more on used
cars), and if you want me to help you for free you can look elsewhere.
Sorry this is off-post and I'll get off my soapbox now.

Chris

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:30:28 -0500, Tony P.
> wrote:

>One day the trolley is packed to the point that it is standing room only
>and a guy gets on with a cast on his left foot and a cane in his hand.
>Not one of the younger college kids offered this man their seat. I just
>shook my head and held onto the rail so I wouldn't get launched toward
>the back of the trolley when the driver took off.

I've been in this same situation (but in a bus, not on a trolley). I'll
pick someone out and ask them straight out if they'd be willing to give the
guy in the cast their seat. Kinda hard to say no with 16 people looking at
you. Even if they do say no, someone else will offer, just because they
are aware of the need. Then they become a hero. It can be contagious,
just because people have been made aware.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:30:28 -0500, Tony P.
> wrote:

>One day the trolley is packed to the point that it is standing room only
>and a guy gets on with a cast on his left foot and a cane in his hand.
>Not one of the younger college kids offered this man their seat. I just
>shook my head and held onto the rail so I wouldn't get launched toward
>the back of the trolley when the driver took off.

I've been in this same situation (but in a bus, not on a trolley). I'll
pick someone out and ask them straight out if they'd be willing to give the
guy in the cast their seat. Kinda hard to say no with 16 people looking at
you. Even if they do say no, someone else will offer, just because they
are aware of the need. Then they become a hero. It can be contagious,
just because people have been made aware.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On 17 Jan 2005 01:23:04 GMT, Michel Boucher > wrote:

>Tony P. > wrote in
:
>
>> Then you have to wait for the receipt to print and then sign and
>> go.
>
>Sign? On a bank card? Or are you using a credit card? Maybe it works
>differently where you are, wherever that might be...

The machines here will not accept bank debit cards as debit cards. They
treat them as credit cards only. Still faster than writing a check and
waiting for it to clear the screening process, or finding the right change.
Swipe, sign, and leave.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:00:07 -0500, "Zipless" > wrote:

>Funny, I find that as I get older my patience is actually increasing! I'm
>not in so much of a hurry anymore, so I don't really care if someone jumps
>ahead of me or blocks the aisle. And when things get tense, I try to make
>jokes to lighten things up. It really helps everybody's day!

Unless I'm having a treacherously terrible day, I'm usually that way, too.
Invariably, I'll keep running into the same people, no matter what aisle
I'm in at the time, and they're always dead center in the middle. After
awhile, it just gets funny. "We meet again!" "We have to stop meeting
like this." Then, "Tag! You're it!" starts, and it's all uphill from
there. Lemons, lemonade, and all that jazz.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:00:07 -0500, "Zipless" > wrote:

>Funny, I find that as I get older my patience is actually increasing! I'm
>not in so much of a hurry anymore, so I don't really care if someone jumps
>ahead of me or blocks the aisle. And when things get tense, I try to make
>jokes to lighten things up. It really helps everybody's day!

Unless I'm having a treacherously terrible day, I'm usually that way, too.
Invariably, I'll keep running into the same people, no matter what aisle
I'm in at the time, and they're always dead center in the middle. After
awhile, it just gets funny. "We meet again!" "We have to stop meeting
like this." Then, "Tag! You're it!" starts, and it's all uphill from
there. Lemons, lemonade, and all that jazz.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 03:35:57 GMT, Puester > wrote:

>Damsel wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:52:32 GMT, Puester > wrote:
>>
>>>While we're at it:
>>>Why are people so rude on newsgroups?
>>
>> <Damsel shoves Gloria aside so she can get in her own two cents' worth.
>> She asks Gloria if that's her natural hair color or not.>
>
>No, this particular ugly shade of grey is a special blend...
>and (OB food) I don't divulge the recipe.

I'm working on developing my own special blend. Right now, it's a lovely
dark coffee brown with shimmering silver highlights. (It's all in the
marketing, Gloria)

ObFood:
Salt and Pepper

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 03:35:57 GMT, Puester > wrote:

>Damsel wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:52:32 GMT, Puester > wrote:
>>
>>>While we're at it:
>>>Why are people so rude on newsgroups?
>>
>> <Damsel shoves Gloria aside so she can get in her own two cents' worth.
>> She asks Gloria if that's her natural hair color or not.>
>
>No, this particular ugly shade of grey is a special blend...
>and (OB food) I don't divulge the recipe.

I'm working on developing my own special blend. Right now, it's a lovely
dark coffee brown with shimmering silver highlights. (It's all in the
marketing, Gloria)

ObFood:
Salt and Pepper

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:30:43 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:44:55 -0600, Damsel
> wrote:
>
>> A little planning makes it easier to get everything on the list without
>> having to go back because you missed something at the beginning of the
>> store.
>
>Oh, come on Carol... live life on the edge and just make a
>"list"!

Hey, I live life on the edge every time I post to rfc. What more do you
want from me? BLOOD? (I'm O+)

Know what would be fun? Pick someone (who has a list with them) at random
when you walk into the store and follow them around. Buy everything that
they buy and get in line behind them. You get the benefit of a well
thought-out list, and you've gotten to make someone paranoid, all in one
fell swoop.

Gawd, I need more sleep.
Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:30:43 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:44:55 -0600, Damsel
> wrote:
>
>> A little planning makes it easier to get everything on the list without
>> having to go back because you missed something at the beginning of the
>> store.
>
>Oh, come on Carol... live life on the edge and just make a
>"list"!

Hey, I live life on the edge every time I post to rfc. What more do you
want from me? BLOOD? (I'm O+)

Know what would be fun? Pick someone (who has a list with them) at random
when you walk into the store and follow them around. Buy everything that
they buy and get in line behind them. You get the benefit of a well
thought-out list, and you've gotten to make someone paranoid, all in one
fell swoop.

Gawd, I need more sleep.
Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

Arif Khokar wrote:
|| Drew wrote:
||
|| <snip>
||
|| Please refrain from cross posting threads to newsgroups that have no
|| bearing on the subject. <most recently added newsgroup removed from
|| header>.

Shove it.

On 2005-01-17, PENMART01 > wrote:


> cash I pay less, with large purchases *substantially* less.... you obviously
> have never paid cash for a new car....

We're talking grocery stores. Cars are not grocery stores. BTW, I've
always paid cash for all my cars.

> You're so negative... you are obviously poor...

Wrong on both counts, as usual.

> manage money and so spends most of their waking hours plotting on which ATMs to
> hit each day for one twenty at a time... friggin' infantile.

Are you this stupid naturally, or do you take classes?

> I typically go to the bank but once a month to........

I go to no bank. My bank is not even in my state. I do all my
financial transactions online. If I need cash I go to a handfull of atm's
or stores that give me all the cash-back I need at no fee. Credit cards
get paid online within 2-3 days and I pay no credit on them. My balance is
high enough that I pay no atm fees.

Next!......

nb

On 2005-01-17, PENMART01 > wrote:


> cash I pay less, with large purchases *substantially* less.... you obviously
> have never paid cash for a new car....

We're talking grocery stores. Cars are not grocery stores. BTW, I've
always paid cash for all my cars.

> You're so negative... you are obviously poor...

Wrong on both counts, as usual.

> manage money and so spends most of their waking hours plotting on which ATMs to
> hit each day for one twenty at a time... friggin' infantile.

Are you this stupid naturally, or do you take classes?

> I typically go to the bank but once a month to........

I go to no bank. My bank is not even in my state. I do all my
financial transactions online. If I need cash I go to a handfull of atm's
or stores that give me all the cash-back I need at no fee. Credit cards
get paid online within 2-3 days and I pay no credit on them. My balance is
high enough that I pay no atm fees.

Next!......

nb

sf replied to Dave:

>> You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
>> mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
>> of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
>> order of location.
>
> That would drive me absolutely bananas!

I don't have *maps* of the grocery stores in my town, but I remember the
layouts well enough, and I put my grocery list in order of the route I
intend to take through the store. (The route isn't always the same; it's
optimized to the shortest route possible.) What's wrong with that? It saves
time -- I'd estimate that when I went shopping just before Thanksgiving, I
saved at least an hour by not having to traverse the crowded aisles more
than necessary.

Bob

sf replied to Dave:

>> You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
>> mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
>> of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
>> order of location.
>
> That would drive me absolutely bananas!

I don't have *maps* of the grocery stores in my town, but I remember the
layouts well enough, and I put my grocery list in order of the route I
intend to take through the store. (The route isn't always the same; it's
optimized to the shortest route possible.) What's wrong with that? It saves
time -- I'd estimate that when I went shopping just before Thanksgiving, I
saved at least an hour by not having to traverse the crowded aisles more
than necessary.

Bob

Damsel wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:30:43 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>
>>On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:44:55 -0600, Damsel
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> A little planning makes it easier to get everything on the list without
>>> having to go back because you missed something at the beginning of the
>>> store.
>>
>>Oh, come on Carol... live life on the edge and just make a
>>"list"!
>
>
> Hey, I live life on the edge every time I post to rfc. What more do you
> want from me? BLOOD? (I'm O+)
>
> Know what would be fun? Pick someone (who has a list with them) at random
> when you walk into the store and follow them around. Buy everything that
> they buy and get in line behind them. You get the benefit of a well
> thought-out list, and you've gotten to make someone paranoid, all in one
> fell swoop.
>
> Gawd, I need more sleep.
> Carol
lol, yeah! 2:13 freekin' A.M.?!?

I do the same thing. I know the general layout of the store so I put the
items on the list in the general sequence of the isle layouts for the
same reasons given before.

As for the "special parking spaces", yes we have those around here.
Spaces for soon-to-be Mom's and people who have small (no defination of
what small is though) children, along with the Handicapped spaces.

Just ONCE I'd like to see a cop writing tickets for people parking in
the handicapped spaces without proper handicapped passes. I realize that
all handicap conditions are not totally visable so I always figure that
if they have a pass that they're legit although I know that's not always
the case.

As for the checkouts, I have had a store employee direct me to the
express line when I was clearly over the limit and if someone comes in
behind me I apologize and explain that I was directed to the line by a
store employee. I've never had anyone not accept that. As others have
said, I also bag (I always do anyhow) and have my cash ready. What's
with the people who wait until the checker is totally done before they
start digging to find their checkbook and haven't pre-filled out the
check with the date, storename, and signature so all they need to do is
fill in the amount?! grrrrrr (pet peave)

--
Steve

Every job is a self-portrait of the person who did it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

Damsel > wrote in
:

>>> Then you have to wait for the receipt to print and then sign and
>>> go.
>>
>>Sign? On a bank card? Or are you using a credit card? Maybe it
>>works differently where you are, wherever that might be...
>
> The machines here will not accept bank debit cards as debit cards.
> They treat them as credit cards only. Still faster than writing
> a check and waiting for it to clear the screening process, or
> finding the right change. Swipe, sign, and leave.

One would think that the bastion of ideological kapitalyism would
find a faster way to get money circulating. We input a PIN number
rather than sign. Faster still.

One of the national chains has installed self-checkout where you scan
the barcode or weigh the produce/meat/seemly. It then requires you
to place the item on a scale arrangement where it is matched against
the purchase. At the end, you can use debit card, credit card or
cash with no human intervention. For the credit card, one has to
sign on an electronic pad which is always at the wrong angle for a
human signature, so I'm always surprised that the credit card company
has not asked me to stop using them because what they get is so far
removed from my real signature that it's scary. Debit card is
fastest, requiring only the acknowledgement of the amount (OK), the
selection of account (Chequing, Savings, Other) to draw the money
from and the four digit PIN number.

--

[...] remember when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down 'ere on Earth!

Monty Python's Universe Song

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:11:19 -0800, "kevin" > wrote:

>Just witnessed an amazing incident.

As witnesses to the "accident," did you call the police and stick around so
they could get your statement?

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:11:19 -0800, "kevin" > wrote:

>Just witnessed an amazing incident.

As witnesses to the "accident," did you call the police and stick around so
they could get your statement?

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:58:00 -0500, Sheryl Rosen >
wrote:

>Siobhan Perricone at wrote on 1/16/05 10:17 AM:
>
>>
>> Nah, he's likely ***. I don't know many heterosexual people who refer to
>> people with kids as "breeder[s]" (though there are some, I'm sure)
>
>You obviously don't read alt.support.childfree.

Heh. I have in the past, just forgot they were out there when I posted this
initially. I figured it out later in the thread.

--
Siobhan Perricone
Humans wrote the bible,
God wrote the rocks
-- Word of God by Kathy Mar

On 17 Jan 2005 03:52:40 GMT, (PENMART01) wrote:

>You're so negative... you are obviously poor... indebted peasants typically

Hey, congratulations everyone! We got in eleven layers before the thread
became completely unreadable! Well done!

--
Siobhan Perricone
Humans wrote the bible,
God wrote the rocks
-- Word of God by Kathy Mar

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:56 GMT, Puester > wrote:

>Siobhan Perricone wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> And I love bitterballen! They're fantastic. It's sorta like deep fried
>> balls of beef stew. Yum!
>
>What, no recipe????

Heee.. I posted the recipe a couple weeks ago, but I'll put it up again in
a new thread, this one is smelly and old.

--
Siobhan Perricone
Humans wrote the bible,
God wrote the rocks
-- Word of God by Kathy Mar

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:05:49 -0500, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
>mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
>of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
>order of location.

We do that. We have the locations of all the items we keep on hand on as a
staple, in order of where they are in the stores we shop in. We shop in two
different grocery stores, a food coop, and Walmart. We go shopping every
other week and stock up. I go through the circulars online to get the sale
items and we stock up on those, too.

We spend around 4 hours every two weeks shopping and that includes the time
we spend eating dinner before hitting the stores. It's more efficient in
terms of time, gas usage, and energy expenditure. I always have food on
hand to cook pretty much anything I'm intersted in cooking. I don't have to
stick to the list, if I see something I'd like or something new, I'll still
get it, but I don't spend hours perusing the shelves, either. All this
means I'm less exposed to the psychological techniques they use to drive up
sales and less likely to make expensive impulse buys. There are too many
other things I would like to do with my time.

It has been my experience that it is impossible to go to a grocery store,
pick something up, get out, and get back on your route in less than 30
minutes. This is primarily because of the *times* when I am most likely to
attempt something like this, and the stores being pretty crowded, but it's
still a reality for me. Half and hour spent picking up one or two items
several times a week is simply absurd. We spend 45 minutes to an hour in a
store picking up enough food to restock my two month supply of food, and I
don't have to wait in lines several times a week, don't have to deal with
grocery store parking lot drivers, don't have to listen to tired screaming
children more than once every two weeks, etc.

I know that this isn't for everyone, but please don't scoff at people who
don't think shopping is something to linger over and have other things
they'd prefer to spend their time on.

--
Siobhan Perricone
Humans wrote the bible,
God wrote the rocks
-- Word of God by Kathy Mar

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:05:49 -0500, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
>mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
>of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
>order of location.

We do that. We have the locations of all the items we keep on hand on as a
staple, in order of where they are in the stores we shop in. We shop in two
different grocery stores, a food coop, and Walmart. We go shopping every
other week and stock up. I go through the circulars online to get the sale
items and we stock up on those, too.

We spend around 4 hours every two weeks shopping and that includes the time
we spend eating dinner before hitting the stores. It's more efficient in
terms of time, gas usage, and energy expenditure. I always have food on
hand to cook pretty much anything I'm intersted in cooking. I don't have to
stick to the list, if I see something I'd like or something new, I'll still
get it, but I don't spend hours perusing the shelves, either. All this
means I'm less exposed to the psychological techniques they use to drive up
sales and less likely to make expensive impulse buys. There are too many
other things I would like to do with my time.

It has been my experience that it is impossible to go to a grocery store,
pick something up, get out, and get back on your route in less than 30
minutes. This is primarily because of the *times* when I am most likely to
attempt something like this, and the stores being pretty crowded, but it's
still a reality for me. Half and hour spent picking up one or two items
several times a week is simply absurd. We spend 45 minutes to an hour in a
store picking up enough food to restock my two month supply of food, and I
don't have to wait in lines several times a week, don't have to deal with
grocery store parking lot drivers, don't have to listen to tired screaming
children more than once every two weeks, etc.

I know that this isn't for everyone, but please don't scoff at people who
don't think shopping is something to linger over and have other things
they'd prefer to spend their time on.

--
Siobhan Perricone
Humans wrote the bible,
God wrote the rocks
-- Word of God by Kathy Mar