On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:44:55 -0600, Damsel > wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:05:49 -0500, Dave Smith >
>wrote:
>
>>You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
>>mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
>>of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
>>order of location.
>
>*blush* When Cub Foods used to offer a layout of their store, I did the
>same thing.

Nothin' to blush about Damsel. Don't be embarassed just 'cos someone
else seems to think there's something wrong with doing things this way.

--
Siobhan Perricone
Humans wrote the bible,
God wrote the rocks
-- Word of God by Kathy Mar

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:44:55 -0600, Damsel > wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:05:49 -0500, Dave Smith >
>wrote:
>
>>You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
>>mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
>>of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
>>order of location.
>
>*blush* When Cub Foods used to offer a layout of their store, I did the
>same thing.

Nothin' to blush about Damsel. Don't be embarassed just 'cos someone
else seems to think there's something wrong with doing things this way.

--
Siobhan Perricone
Humans wrote the bible,
God wrote the rocks
-- Word of God by Kathy Mar

In article >,
says...
> Damsel > wrote in
> :
>
> >>> Then you have to wait for the receipt to print and then sign and
> >>> go.
> >>
> >>Sign? On a bank card? Or are you using a credit card? Maybe it
> >>works differently where you are, wherever that might be...
> >
> > The machines here will not accept bank debit cards as debit cards.
> > They treat them as credit cards only. Still faster than writing
> > a check and waiting for it to clear the screening process, or
> > finding the right change. Swipe, sign, and leave.
>
> One would think that the bastion of ideological kapitalyism would
> find a faster way to get money circulating. We input a PIN number
> rather than sign. Faster still.

Yes but the banks here make it disadvantageous to just enter the PIN and
go. The rule states that if you enter the pin, you're on the hook for
anywhere between .35 and .75 as a 'POS' fee that goes right to the bank.
But if you sign for it there isn't any additional charge. Funny how that
works.

> One of the national chains has installed self-checkout where you scan
> the barcode or weigh the produce/meat/seemly. It then requires you
> to place the item on a scale arrangement where it is matched against
> the purchase. At the end, you can use debit card, credit card or
> cash with no human intervention. For the credit card, one has to
> sign on an electronic pad which is always at the wrong angle for a
> human signature, so I'm always surprised that the credit card company
> has not asked me to stop using them because what they get is so far
> removed from my real signature that it's scary. Debit card is
> fastest, requiring only the acknowledgement of the amount (OK), the
> selection of account (Chequing, Savings, Other) to draw the money
> from and the four digit PIN number.

Your signature doesn't mean diddly squat on credit card receipts. Last I
new banks didn't keep scores of handwriting analysts in their employ.

In article >,
says...
> Damsel > wrote in
> :
>
> >>> Then you have to wait for the receipt to print and then sign and
> >>> go.
> >>
> >>Sign? On a bank card? Or are you using a credit card? Maybe it
> >>works differently where you are, wherever that might be...
> >
> > The machines here will not accept bank debit cards as debit cards.
> > They treat them as credit cards only. Still faster than writing
> > a check and waiting for it to clear the screening process, or
> > finding the right change. Swipe, sign, and leave.
>
> One would think that the bastion of ideological kapitalyism would
> find a faster way to get money circulating. We input a PIN number
> rather than sign. Faster still.

Yes but the banks here make it disadvantageous to just enter the PIN and
go. The rule states that if you enter the pin, you're on the hook for
anywhere between .35 and .75 as a 'POS' fee that goes right to the bank.
But if you sign for it there isn't any additional charge. Funny how that
works.

> One of the national chains has installed self-checkout where you scan
> the barcode or weigh the produce/meat/seemly. It then requires you
> to place the item on a scale arrangement where it is matched against
> the purchase. At the end, you can use debit card, credit card or
> cash with no human intervention. For the credit card, one has to
> sign on an electronic pad which is always at the wrong angle for a
> human signature, so I'm always surprised that the credit card company
> has not asked me to stop using them because what they get is so far
> removed from my real signature that it's scary. Debit card is
> fastest, requiring only the acknowledgement of the amount (OK), the
> selection of account (Chequing, Savings, Other) to draw the money
> from and the four digit PIN number.

Your signature doesn't mean diddly squat on credit card receipts. Last I
new banks didn't keep scores of handwriting analysts in their employ.

In article >,
says...
> "Tony P." wrote:
>
> > Cash is much faster in my experience. But I'm a card swiper. By the time
> > he/she scans the last item I'm ready to swipe the card and hit the
> > credit button so I don't get whacked with the .35 POS charge. But the
> > authorization process takes about 8 or 9 seconds. Then you have to wait
> > for the receipt to print and then sign and go.
>
> Cash, credit card, bank card. They are all about the same. Just have the damn card out
> and ready to pay, or have your wallet out and ready to take some bills out. My beef is
> with the people who stand there and watch everything being scanned and waiting until
> they get the total before they even think about opening their purse to find their
> wallet. The whole idea of going to the cashier is to pay for your groceries, so it
> shouldn't be a surprise that you are going to have to have to pay.

And while you're at it, have your discount card at the ready.
Fortunately most POS systems can apply the discount either pre or post
sale.

In article >,
says...
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:05:49 -0500, Dave Smith >
> wrote:
>
> >You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
> >mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
> >of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
> >order of location.
>
> *blush* When Cub Foods used to offer a layout of their store, I did the
> same thing. Now, I just break my list into several sections. Fresh
> produce is in one place, dairy in another, meats in another, paper products
> in another, and the occasional canned or boxed items in yet another.
>
> A little planning makes it easier to get everything on the list without
> having to go back because you missed something at the beginning of the
> store.

Some of us know where things are in the store by rote. For example,
butter is near the front of the last aisle on the right. Cat litter is
the aisle next to HBA, etc.

What throws us is when they move big sections of the merchandise every
few years. Grrrrrrr.....

In article >,
says...
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:05:49 -0500, Dave Smith >
> wrote:
>
> >You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
> >mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
> >of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
> >order of location.
>
> *blush* When Cub Foods used to offer a layout of their store, I did the
> same thing. Now, I just break my list into several sections. Fresh
> produce is in one place, dairy in another, meats in another, paper products
> in another, and the occasional canned or boxed items in yet another.
>
> A little planning makes it easier to get everything on the list without
> having to go back because you missed something at the beginning of the
> store.

Some of us know where things are in the store by rote. For example,
butter is near the front of the last aisle on the right. Cat litter is
the aisle next to HBA, etc.

What throws us is when they move big sections of the merchandise every
few years. Grrrrrrr.....

In article >,
says...
> Damsel wrote:
> > On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:05:49 -0500, Dave Smith >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
> >>mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
> >>of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
> >>order of location.
> >
> >
> > *blush* When Cub Foods used to offer a layout of their store, I did the
> > same thing. Now, I just break my list into several sections. Fresh
> > produce is in one place, dairy in another, meats in another, paper products
> > in another, and the occasional canned or boxed items in yet another.
> >
> > A little planning makes it easier to get everything on the list without
> > having to go back because you missed something at the beginning of the
> > store.
> >
> > Carol
>
> Every time I get the store layout down pat, they move everything around.

They do that to change the traffic patterns in the store. This gets
people to go a little further, see more garish displays and maybe even
buy that $5.00 package of dry ass Keebler cookies.

In article >,
says...
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:30:43 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:44:55 -0600, Damsel
> > wrote:
> >
> >> A little planning makes it easier to get everything on the list without
> >> having to go back because you missed something at the beginning of the
> >> store.
> >
> >Oh, come on Carol... live life on the edge and just make a
> >"list"!
>
> Hey, I live life on the edge every time I post to rfc. What more do you
> want from me? BLOOD? (I'm O+)
>
> Know what would be fun? Pick someone (who has a list with them) at random
> when you walk into the store and follow them around. Buy everything that
> they buy and get in line behind them. You get the benefit of a well
> thought-out list, and you've gotten to make someone paranoid, all in one
> fell swoop.

I like that idea. The other side of that is you might make a new friend.

In article >,
says...
> On 2005-01-16, PENMART01 > wrote:
> >
> > I always pay for groceries with cash. I have a debit card. I also have an ATM
> > card. Bank sent both years ago. But I've never used either, don't even know
> > if they work. I do have a credit card, that I do use when need be... but after
> > using it for more than 30 years I've never yet paid even 1¢ in interest.
> >
> > Cash is fastest... generates no paper, no mail, NO DEBT!
>
> And you get cash how? You certainly don't get it in the mail. One has to
> go to a bank, an atm, or get cash-back during a purchase. After making a
> special trip to, banks make you stand in yet another line. Most non-native
> ATM's charge a fee. The least aggravating is stores, which don't charge a
> fee for cash-back and you're already in a line. Between dullard clerks and
> the signature thing, credit cards take even longer to transact than an atm
> card. Besides, if one is going to take advantage of the greatest
> cost-cutting/sales savings, one is going to have to swipe/enter some sort of
> plastic/code, anyway. The fantasy world you postulate no longer exists
> unless you are willing to pay extra for it.

You bring up a good point about non-native ATM's. Does anyone remember
when there wasn't a fee attached to bother sides of a foreign ATM
transaction? I do.

In article >,
says...
> On 17 Jan 2005 03:52:40 GMT, (PENMART01) wrote:
>
> >You're so negative... you are obviously poor... indebted peasants typically
>
> Hey, congratulations everyone! We got in eleven layers before the thread
> became completely unreadable! Well done!
>
>

I love thread drift. It's so much fun to watch the vicious people come
out.

In article >,
says...
> On 17 Jan 2005 03:52:40 GMT, (PENMART01) wrote:
>
> >You're so negative... you are obviously poor... indebted peasants typically
>
> Hey, congratulations everyone! We got in eleven layers before the thread
> became completely unreadable! Well done!
>
>

I love thread drift. It's so much fun to watch the vicious people come
out.

Siobhan Perricone wrote:

> >>You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
> >>mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
> >>of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
> >>order of location.
> >
> >*blush* When Cub Foods used to offer a layout of their store, I did the
> >same thing.
>
> Nothin' to blush about Damsel. Don't be embarassed just 'cos someone
> else seems to think there's something wrong with doing things this way.

The problem wasn't with him doing it. It was the need to have the maps that was
the problem. It was a personality quirk that included detailed maps and lists
of everything. A set of directions to a place he had one been would include
exact distances of every landmark along the way. He had a substantial
collection of movies that he had taped from his TV and a catalogue of the
tapes, listed alphabetically by title, by director and by actor. There are
benefits to good organizational skills, and I could certainly stand to be more
organized than I am, but sometimes it is more of a disease.

Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:52:34 -0800, The Real Bev
> > wrote:
>
>
>>>I've seen couples do the equivalent thing. The woman will pull 12
>>>items out of the cart, pay for them, and then stand at the end of the
>>>aisle waiting while her boyfriend pulls the remaining 12 items out of
>>>the cart and pays for them. Then they put all the grocery bags into
>>>the cart and walk out of the store together, load everything into
>>>their car, and drive home.
>>
>>I don't see the problem here. Is there one?
>
>
> They are complying with the letter of the rule, but not the spirit.
> It's morally bankrupt.
>
> As soon as that couple has kids, they'll start adding 12 additoional
> items per kid to their carts in order to exploit the loophole even
> further.
>
Would you feel better if they carried separate baskets with 12 items in
each one and went through the same like? I don't do this but don't
really see what difference it makes.

--
Steve

Every job is a self-portrait of the person who did it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:52:34 -0800, The Real Bev
> > wrote:
>
>
>>>I've seen couples do the equivalent thing. The woman will pull 12
>>>items out of the cart, pay for them, and then stand at the end of the
>>>aisle waiting while her boyfriend pulls the remaining 12 items out of
>>>the cart and pays for them. Then they put all the grocery bags into
>>>the cart and walk out of the store together, load everything into
>>>their car, and drive home.
>>
>>I don't see the problem here. Is there one?
>
>
> They are complying with the letter of the rule, but not the spirit.
> It's morally bankrupt.
>
> As soon as that couple has kids, they'll start adding 12 additoional
> items per kid to their carts in order to exploit the loophole even
> further.
>
Would you feel better if they carried separate baskets with 12 items in
each one and went through the same like? I don't do this but don't
really see what difference it makes.

--
Steve

Every job is a self-portrait of the person who did it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

On 2005-01-17, Tony P > wrote:


> when there wasn't a fee attached to bother sides of a foreign ATM
> transaction? I do.

Yes, I remember. That lasted about what? ...two months?

nb

On 2005-01-17, Tony P > wrote:


> when there wasn't a fee attached to bother sides of a foreign ATM
> transaction? I do.

Yes, I remember. That lasted about what? ...two months?

nb

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:08:17 -0600, Damsel >
wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:11:19 -0800, "kevin" > wrote:
> >Just witnessed an amazing incident.
>
> As witnesses to the "accident," did you call the police and stick around so
> they could get your statement?

In the area the poster lives, if it [a fender-bender] occurs on
private property (a parking lot in this case), and there were no
injuries, the police will generally not become involved.

Hopefully the two individuals provided the injured party a set of
statements of exactly what happened so that when she goes to small
claims court to get her deductible back, she has those additional
statements to back-up her claim.

ObGroceryStorePlug: "Gene's Fine Foods" in Saratoga. I've been
shopping there for the last fifteen years and found the staff
great, the foods of excellent quality, and the choices better than
any of the local corporate behemoths. "Gene's" also has a stunning
wine area with tastings every weekend! Woo-hoo! Meet the vintners
and executives; schmooz-n-learn on their dime.

ObTopic: The customers at two of my favorite stores can be placed
into three tiers. Mornings are for the Senior Brigade; if you have
the time, energy, and skill to navigate the aisles it can be a
great experience. As a SAHD with three young daughter-units, it was
my favorite time to shop. The afternoons are for the packs of bored
hs-grunge-goth-ravers and clusters of soccermoms that are between
taxi services. It's a dangerous time because there's a lot of
oblivious bumping-and-jostling going on. Night shift is when the
cell phone drones emerge. As others have pointed out, they are
loud, preferring to share their private conversations with those
complete strangers across the store, and are much more oblivious to
everything around them than any Jolt-pounding, triple-esspresso
software junkie I've ever known. Enter at your own risk or don the
appropriate apparel.

The Ranger

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:08:17 -0600, Damsel >
wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:11:19 -0800, "kevin" > wrote:
> >Just witnessed an amazing incident.
>
> As witnesses to the "accident," did you call the police and stick around so
> they could get your statement?

In the area the poster lives, if it [a fender-bender] occurs on
private property (a parking lot in this case), and there were no
injuries, the police will generally not become involved.

Hopefully the two individuals provided the injured party a set of
statements of exactly what happened so that when she goes to small
claims court to get her deductible back, she has those additional
statements to back-up her claim.

ObGroceryStorePlug: "Gene's Fine Foods" in Saratoga. I've been
shopping there for the last fifteen years and found the staff
great, the foods of excellent quality, and the choices better than
any of the local corporate behemoths. "Gene's" also has a stunning
wine area with tastings every weekend! Woo-hoo! Meet the vintners
and executives; schmooz-n-learn on their dime.

ObTopic: The customers at two of my favorite stores can be placed
into three tiers. Mornings are for the Senior Brigade; if you have
the time, energy, and skill to navigate the aisles it can be a
great experience. As a SAHD with three young daughter-units, it was
my favorite time to shop. The afternoons are for the packs of bored
hs-grunge-goth-ravers and clusters of soccermoms that are between
taxi services. It's a dangerous time because there's a lot of
oblivious bumping-and-jostling going on. Night shift is when the
cell phone drones emerge. As others have pointed out, they are
loud, preferring to share their private conversations with those
complete strangers across the store, and are much more oblivious to
everything around them than any Jolt-pounding, triple-esspresso
software junkie I've ever known. Enter at your own risk or don the
appropriate apparel.

The Ranger

>JimLane writes:
>
>PENMART01 wrote:
>
>> If you need to withdraw cash for personal expenses more
>> than once a month you are poor.
>
>And if you carry around that amount of cash, you're an ignorant
>statistic waiting for an accident. It is far wiser to take out only what
>you need at the time and no more.

Who said anything about carrying around an entire month's cash on ones person
all month... don't you have a home... I mean I can see your point if your
residence is a dorm cot at the local homeless shelter. I don't know where you
live but I don't live in a high crime area. I wouldn't ever think of getting
into my car and leaving home without a couple hundred in cash in my wallet,
been doing that all my adult life, and I've spent quite a few years living in
NYC too... grew up on the mean streets of Brooklyn...which means I'm not
ascared like you... means I learned street smarts. Lemme tell ya, if you think
yer gonna get mugged it's far smarter to have some bucks to turn over than a
hand fulla hillybilly chump change. Obviously you have no street smarts plus
you are POOR... when was the last time you had $100 cash in your hand all at
one time, I bet never.


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>JimLane whines:
>
>PENMART01 wrote:
>>>zxcvbob writes:
>
>>>Plastic is faster than cash; the minimum-wage cashiers can't count
>>>change.
>>
>>
>> I've never yet found that to be true... I find myself inevitably waiting
>for
>> those plastic swipers, who can't remember PINs, haven't enough balance
>> remaining so have to put stuff back, *and they want cash back too anyway*
>> (blows your counting theory).... plus the friggin' low life food stampers
>who
>> split orders; the milk, OJ, and bread for stamps, the beer and cigs they
>pay by
>> check and want cash back yet (food stamps should be redeemed only at food
>stamp
>> redemption centers, embarrass the *******s, maybe the worthless dreck will
>get
>> a JOB... probably not).
>
>Evidently you have never seen one of these cashiers try to figure out
>how much change to give back when their register goes down. Most cannot
>even operate a calculator, let alone back-count change.

You're such a lying phony piece of shit.. if the register goes down the money
drawer doesn't open, it's out of service, and no transactions are made, you
dumb douchebag.... just 'cause you can't count... and you can't lie very well
either.

I don't know where yoose live but where I shop the stupidmarket checkers can
handle cash as well as any Vegas cashier.


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>Barbara Llorente writes:
>
>>(PENMART01) wrote:
>>
>> Notice none of the cross posters are AOLers... they are all newbies with
>> cheapo/freebie ISPs.
>
>I keep going back to the posts people complain about being
>cross posted (thinking I've accidently cross posted when I
>replied) but they aren't, so I guess my news server strips
>the cross posts... that's a good thing.

AOL software is sophisticated, it doesn't permit cross posting, and it's a
simple matter to set their filters to block down loading cross posted posts...
but the problem now is that so many are regularly cross posting (those with the
rinky-dink cheapo/freebie ISPs) that by filtering I down load practically
nothing. So for now I've un-clicked the cross post filtering tab and do my own
filtering. I don't do much Plonking, all I filter out is all webtv, as many
remailers as I come across, and a handful of posters... those who are so
obnoxious and ignorant that their posts offer no redeeming quality whatsoever.


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>"Chris" coughs:
>
>I can't find the specific post quoted here so I will reply here.

That's because you are a newbie, and a moron.

>PENMART01 wrote:
>What fantasy world, my world is no fantasy, I'm living it... and cost
>extra, no
>way... I've never yet paid more because I use cash. In fact by paying
>with
>cash I pay less, with large purchases *substantially* less.... you
>obviously
>have never paid cash for a new car, I always have (wave hard cash under
>the
>sales manager's nose and the price goes way down), I've never had a car
>loan...
>in fact I've never had a personal loan for any reason.
>---------------------------------------
>I hate to be the one to break it to you but sales managers charge you
>more when you pay cash.

Yet another impoverished schnook who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Just last year I made a $50,000.00 tractor purchse, saved on not only the 20%
discount for paying cash but also the outragious interest I would have paid on
a loan, and that loan interest is not a tax write off... usta be but hasn't
been for many years. Only smart borrowing is a mortgage, which is not
classified a personal loan... and it's interest is fully a tax deduction.
Chris, you are an idiot... not only poor in the pocketbook but impoverished in
the IQ department.


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>"Chris" coughs:
>
>I can't find the specific post quoted here so I will reply here.

That's because you are a newbie, and a moron.

>PENMART01 wrote:
>What fantasy world, my world is no fantasy, I'm living it... and cost
>extra, no
>way... I've never yet paid more because I use cash. In fact by paying
>with
>cash I pay less, with large purchases *substantially* less.... you
>obviously
>have never paid cash for a new car, I always have (wave hard cash under
>the
>sales manager's nose and the price goes way down), I've never had a car
>loan...
>in fact I've never had a personal loan for any reason.
>---------------------------------------
>I hate to be the one to break it to you but sales managers charge you
>more when you pay cash.

Yet another impoverished schnook who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Just last year I made a $50,000.00 tractor purchse, saved on not only the 20%
discount for paying cash but also the outragious interest I would have paid on
a loan, and that loan interest is not a tax write off... usta be but hasn't
been for many years. Only smart borrowing is a mortgage, which is not
classified a personal loan... and it's interest is fully a tax deduction.
Chris, you are an idiot... not only poor in the pocketbook but impoverished in
the IQ department.


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````````````

Damsel wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:05:49 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
>> mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
>> of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
>> order of location.
>
> *blush* When Cub Foods used to offer a layout of their store, I did
> the same thing. Now, I just break my list into several sections.
> Fresh produce is in one place, dairy in another, meats in another,
> paper products in another, and the occasional canned or boxed items
> in yet another.
>
> A little planning makes it easier to get everything on the list
> without having to go back because you missed something at the
> beginning of the store.
>
> Carol

What was I looking for? Oh yeah, breadcrumbs. I asked a clerk and she said
if I flipped up the kiddy seat in my cart, there's a list of what's on what
aisles, just look it up by type of item (she also knew on which aisle I
could find breadcrumbs). Would I have ever thought to lift up the kiddy
seat to see if there was something written on the bottom? Nope! I usually
use that space to put breakable items like eggs. Quite helpful!

Jill

Damsel wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:05:49 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
>> mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
>> of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
>> order of location.
>
> *blush* When Cub Foods used to offer a layout of their store, I did
> the same thing. Now, I just break my list into several sections.
> Fresh produce is in one place, dairy in another, meats in another,
> paper products in another, and the occasional canned or boxed items
> in yet another.
>
> A little planning makes it easier to get everything on the list
> without having to go back because you missed something at the
> beginning of the store.
>
> Carol

What was I looking for? Oh yeah, breadcrumbs. I asked a clerk and she said
if I flipped up the kiddy seat in my cart, there's a list of what's on what
aisles, just look it up by type of item (she also knew on which aisle I
could find breadcrumbs). Would I have ever thought to lift up the kiddy
seat to see if there was something written on the bottom? Nope! I usually
use that space to put breakable items like eggs. Quite helpful!

Jill

In article >,
says...
> On 2005-01-17, Tony P > wrote:
>
>
> > when there wasn't a fee attached to bother sides of a foreign ATM
> > transaction? I do.
>
> Yes, I remember. That lasted about what? ...two months?

More than that - it lasted until about 1993 or 1994. Then the banks
realized they could make more with add on fees than anything else.

In article >,
says...
> On 2005-01-17, Tony P > wrote:
>
>
> > when there wasn't a fee attached to bother sides of a foreign ATM
> > transaction? I do.
>
> Yes, I remember. That lasted about what? ...two months?

More than that - it lasted until about 1993 or 1994. Then the banks
realized they could make more with add on fees than anything else.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "The Ranger" > wrote in message
>>> Pity the checker-outer didn't speak first.
>>
>> And get publicly reprimanded (or lose his/her job) because the
>> self-centered, Yes -- As A Matter of Fact -- Your Universe Does
>> Revolve Around Me, "customer" chose to break an unenforceable
>> policy?
>
>> The Ranger
>
> The checker outer should be given a reward, not a reprimand. The
> manager and at least some of the clerks at our local Stop & Shop have
> the balls to tell a customer "no". I'm not saying 14 items in the
> 12 and fewer, but a full cart just won't go.
> It can be an enforceable policy if the store wants it to be.

I must be really strange... (1) I snipped all the dang cross posting, like
celebrities. (2) I count the items in my cart and if they don't fit the
Express Lane sign, I just look for a queue with someone who doesn't have 150
items in it and stand in line. It's really a no-brainer and considerate,
too. I also have my check filled out (except for the amount) when I get up
there, or use my debit card.

Jill

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "The Ranger" > wrote in message
>>> Pity the checker-outer didn't speak first.
>>
>> And get publicly reprimanded (or lose his/her job) because the
>> self-centered, Yes -- As A Matter of Fact -- Your Universe Does
>> Revolve Around Me, "customer" chose to break an unenforceable
>> policy?
>
>> The Ranger
>
> The checker outer should be given a reward, not a reprimand. The
> manager and at least some of the clerks at our local Stop & Shop have
> the balls to tell a customer "no". I'm not saying 14 items in the
> 12 and fewer, but a full cart just won't go.
> It can be an enforceable policy if the store wants it to be.

I must be really strange... (1) I snipped all the dang cross posting, like
celebrities. (2) I count the items in my cart and if they don't fit the
Express Lane sign, I just look for a queue with someone who doesn't have 150
items in it and stand in line. It's really a no-brainer and considerate,
too. I also have my check filled out (except for the amount) when I get up
there, or use my debit card.

Jill

On Mon 17 Jan 2005 11:47:29a, Tony P. tittered and giggled, and giggled and
tittered, and finally blurted out...

> In article >,
> says...
>> On 2005-01-17, Tony P > wrote:
>>
>>
>> > when there wasn't a fee attached to bother sides of a foreign ATM
>> > transaction? I do.
>>
>> Yes, I remember. That lasted about what? ...two months?
>
> More than that - it lasted until about 1993 or 1994. Then the banks
> realized they could make more with add on fees than anything else.

My bank does not charge for its ATM use, and refunds fees charged by other
ATM owners. The only POS charge I've ever seen where I live is at
McDonald's. I don't usually eat there, so it's not a problem.

Wayne

Bob wrote:

> >> You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
> >> mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
> >> of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
> >> order of location.
> >
> > That would drive me absolutely bananas!
>
> I don't have *maps* of the grocery stores in my town, but I remember the
> layouts well enough, and I put my grocery list in order of the route I
> intend to take through the store. (The route isn't always the same; it's
> optimized to the shortest route possible.) What's wrong with that? It saves
> time -- I'd estimate that when I went shopping just before Thanksgiving, I
> saved at least an hour by not having to traverse the crowded aisles more
> than necessary.

I do most of the cooking at home, so I like to do the shopping too. It's not
that I really like shopping, but I know what I have on hand and what I am short
on. I don't think that I have ever shopped with a list, except sometimes a note
of things that I really need to get, most often cleaning supplies.

There is one particular chain that I prefer, but like all the others, every
store has a unique layout. I just start at one end and go up and down the
aisles, getting my canned and boxed goods first and then hitting the meat, fish
and dairy sections, leaving the frozen section till last, only to keep cold and
frozen things cold and frozen. It works for me.

Bob wrote:

> >> You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
> >> mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
> >> of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
> >> order of location.
> >
> > That would drive me absolutely bananas!
>
> I don't have *maps* of the grocery stores in my town, but I remember the
> layouts well enough, and I put my grocery list in order of the route I
> intend to take through the store. (The route isn't always the same; it's
> optimized to the shortest route possible.) What's wrong with that? It saves
> time -- I'd estimate that when I went shopping just before Thanksgiving, I
> saved at least an hour by not having to traverse the crowded aisles more
> than necessary.

I do most of the cooking at home, so I like to do the shopping too. It's not
that I really like shopping, but I know what I have on hand and what I am short
on. I don't think that I have ever shopped with a list, except sometimes a note
of things that I really need to get, most often cleaning supplies.

There is one particular chain that I prefer, but like all the others, every
store has a unique layout. I just start at one end and go up and down the
aisles, getting my canned and boxed goods first and then hitting the meat, fish
and dairy sections, leaving the frozen section till last, only to keep cold and
frozen things cold and frozen. It works for me.

On 2005-01-17, PENMART01 > wrote:

> I have a very good friend....

How much did he cost?

> those who scrounge cash from
> ATMs and change back on grocery purchases on a daily basis typically own
> nothing, their debts own them.

Geez, you are so full of shit, it's a wonder you can find time between dumps
to make it to the bank. Please, continue to regale us with your grand tales
of all the money you have and how you carry around great wads of it all the
time. No doubt you're a member of the slow food movement, too.

nb

On 2005-01-17, PENMART01 > wrote:

> I have a very good friend....

How much did he cost?

> those who scrounge cash from
> ATMs and change back on grocery purchases on a daily basis typically own
> nothing, their debts own them.

Geez, you are so full of shit, it's a wonder you can find time between dumps
to make it to the bank. Please, continue to regale us with your grand tales
of all the money you have and how you carry around great wads of it all the
time. No doubt you're a member of the slow food movement, too.

nb

In > posted on
Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:26:59 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

wrote:
>
>>
>> IMO, the policy shoud be enforced by making those particular registers
>> ring up no more than the stated number of items. So if someone with 20
>> items goes to a 12 or less aisle, the only 12 can be rung up and a total
>> would be required before any more could be rung up.
>>
>> "I'm sorry, but this register only rings up 12 items or less. There's
>> oting I ca do."
>
>Let's face it. Those numbers are arbitrary. Some say 8 items or less, some
>10 items or less, or 12 items or less. There are codes on everything these
>days, and a few extra items is no big deal, just a matter of a few seconds
>extra to pass them over the scanner. There are some things that aren't
>worth fighting over, and even if you are inclined to fight, you have to pick
>your battles. The stores want to come out ahead too.

True, and IMHO the main problem is with customers who refuse
to follow the rules. However, there is an unresolved
question. Suppose I am in a store that has a policy of 10
items or less. I have 6 bags of potato chips at price "x"
and 6 x 2 litre bottles of soft drink at price "y".

Should these count as 2 items or 12 items? Obviously it is
much quicker to pass an item through the scanner once to
determine the price then multiply it by 6 which is an option
on some systems. On others, can simply make multiple passes
of items over the scanner.

This probably takes less actual time than a customer with
8 or 9 separately priced items. So why cannot stores make
their policy clear?

Another annoyance: A supermarket may have a display
of a soft drink on sale, but most of the top boxes will be
opened, thus awkward to handle. If I want 5 unopened
cartons I have to half dismantle the display to get to them.

Often an employee will ask me what I am doing, and I
patiently explain why, and suggest that the display include
some unopened boxes that are easy to get at. Alternatively,
I suggest that it will save us both trouble if I can simply
pay for the product at the checkout and pick it up at the
loading dock.

So far, I haven't managed to get any store to alter their
display practice, but they have no objection to the latter
arrangement.

I don't suppose that I have to mention that when I am forced
to dismantle a display to reach unopened cartons I take my
time about it and the aisle is soon half blocked by opened
cartons. Yes, I do return the opened ones to the display,
but don't bother with artistically arranging them.

Another minor annoyance if buying one unopened case is that
the case has a separate bar code than the individual
bottles, so all that should be necessary is to scan the box
code. However, have never encountered a supermarket which
was prepared for this, and I have invariably been asked to
open the box and pull out a bottle to be scanned.

Does anyone know the reason for this, if there is any
reason?

Years ago I was once told that there was a limit of two
cases. As I grew up in the days where the customer was
always right, my response was to point out that they had not
posted a sign to this effect, and in a deliberately loud
voice demanded that the manager either sell me the five
cases without wasting my time any further or write me a
signed note that he was refusing the sale.

When he asked why, I told him that I needed it as evidence,
and that I intended to forward one copy to his corporate
headquarters and retain the other as evidence to present in
my complaint for false advertising under the trade practices
act. He wisely decided that the best course of action was
to sell me the five cases.

As a customer, one should not allow oneself to be bullied by
business people.

Incidentally, if ever have to make such a complaint to
someone's corporate headquarters, don't bother to talk to
his area manager. Write a letter to the CEO of the chain
and send it by security post with a return receipt
requested. This ensures that either the CEO or his private
secretary has to sign for it. This means he is usually
curious enough to read it, and it prevents his underlings
from concealing the complaint from him.

Regards,
"nilkids"

In > posted on
Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:26:59 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

wrote:
>
>>
>> IMO, the policy shoud be enforced by making those particular registers
>> ring up no more than the stated number of items. So if someone with 20
>> items goes to a 12 or less aisle, the only 12 can be rung up and a total
>> would be required before any more could be rung up.
>>
>> "I'm sorry, but this register only rings up 12 items or less. There's
>> oting I ca do."
>
>Let's face it. Those numbers are arbitrary. Some say 8 items or less, some
>10 items or less, or 12 items or less. There are codes on everything these
>days, and a few extra items is no big deal, just a matter of a few seconds
>extra to pass them over the scanner. There are some things that aren't
>worth fighting over, and even if you are inclined to fight, you have to pick
>your battles. The stores want to come out ahead too.

True, and IMHO the main problem is with customers who refuse
to follow the rules. However, there is an unresolved
question. Suppose I am in a store that has a policy of 10
items or less. I have 6 bags of potato chips at price "x"
and 6 x 2 litre bottles of soft drink at price "y".

Should these count as 2 items or 12 items? Obviously it is
much quicker to pass an item through the scanner once to
determine the price then multiply it by 6 which is an option
on some systems. On others, can simply make multiple passes
of items over the scanner.

This probably takes less actual time than a customer with
8 or 9 separately priced items. So why cannot stores make
their policy clear?

Another annoyance: A supermarket may have a display
of a soft drink on sale, but most of the top boxes will be
opened, thus awkward to handle. If I want 5 unopened
cartons I have to half dismantle the display to get to them.

Often an employee will ask me what I am doing, and I
patiently explain why, and suggest that the display include
some unopened boxes that are easy to get at. Alternatively,
I suggest that it will save us both trouble if I can simply
pay for the product at the checkout and pick it up at the
loading dock.

So far, I haven't managed to get any store to alter their
display practice, but they have no objection to the latter
arrangement.

I don't suppose that I have to mention that when I am forced
to dismantle a display to reach unopened cartons I take my
time about it and the aisle is soon half blocked by opened
cartons. Yes, I do return the opened ones to the display,
but don't bother with artistically arranging them.

Another minor annoyance if buying one unopened case is that
the case has a separate bar code than the individual
bottles, so all that should be necessary is to scan the box
code. However, have never encountered a supermarket which
was prepared for this, and I have invariably been asked to
open the box and pull out a bottle to be scanned.

Does anyone know the reason for this, if there is any
reason?

Years ago I was once told that there was a limit of two
cases. As I grew up in the days where the customer was
always right, my response was to point out that they had not
posted a sign to this effect, and in a deliberately loud
voice demanded that the manager either sell me the five
cases without wasting my time any further or write me a
signed note that he was refusing the sale.

When he asked why, I told him that I needed it as evidence,
and that I intended to forward one copy to his corporate
headquarters and retain the other as evidence to present in
my complaint for false advertising under the trade practices
act. He wisely decided that the best course of action was
to sell me the five cases.

As a customer, one should not allow oneself to be bullied by
business people.

Incidentally, if ever have to make such a complaint to
someone's corporate headquarters, don't bother to talk to
his area manager. Write a letter to the CEO of the chain
and send it by security post with a return receipt
requested. This ensures that either the CEO or his private
secretary has to sign for it. This means he is usually
curious enough to read it, and it prevents his underlings
from concealing the complaint from him.

Regards,
"nilkids"

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:52:35 -0500, Tony P.
> wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> Know what would be fun? Pick someone (who has a list with them) at random
>> when you walk into the store and follow them around. Buy everything that
>> they buy and get in line behind them. You get the benefit of a well
>> thought-out list, and you've gotten to make someone paranoid, all in one
>> fell swoop.
>
>I like that idea. The other side of that is you might make a new friend.

Dammit! People like you just spoil all my fun!

Actually, I wouldn't mind that at all. We fairly recently moved to a new
town where everyone knows everyone else. Except us.

After I posted that, I started thinking about what I'd do if someone were
following me around. I'd probably start putting extremely bizarre things
in my cart. Things no one would buy. Ever. The person following me would
either give up in frustration, or we'd start laughing about it, return the
weird stuff, and, as you said, make new friends.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On 17 Jan 2005 04:42:07 -0600, "Bob"
> wrote:

> sf replied to Dave:
>
> >> You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
> >> mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
> >> of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
> >> order of location.
> >
> > That would drive me absolutely bananas!
>
> I don't have *maps* of the grocery stores in my town, but I remember the
> layouts well enough, and I put my grocery list in order of the route I
> intend to take through the store. (The route isn't always the same; it's
> optimized to the shortest route possible.) What's wrong with that?
>
For one thing, it's too anal for words... for another, it
takes the fun out of shopping. I like cruising the isles to
see what's new.

> It saves
> time -- I'd estimate that when I went shopping just before Thanksgiving, I
> saved at least an hour by not having to traverse the crowded aisles more
> than necessary.

Saved an hour? Maybe you DO need a map if you're that slow!
Why don't you order online and have it delivered? That's as
efficient as it gets.


sf

On 17 Jan 2005 04:42:07 -0600, "Bob"
> wrote:

> sf replied to Dave:
>
> >> You should have tried shopping with my late brother in law. A
> >> mere list was not good enough for him. He had maps of the layout
> >> of the grocery stores in his town. The list was written in the
> >> order of location.
> >
> > That would drive me absolutely bananas!
>
> I don't have *maps* of the grocery stores in my town, but I remember the
> layouts well enough, and I put my grocery list in order of the route I
> intend to take through the store. (The route isn't always the same; it's
> optimized to the shortest route possible.) What's wrong with that?
>
For one thing, it's too anal for words... for another, it
takes the fun out of shopping. I like cruising the isles to
see what's new.

> It saves
> time -- I'd estimate that when I went shopping just before Thanksgiving, I
> saved at least an hour by not having to traverse the crowded aisles more
> than necessary.

Saved an hour? Maybe you DO need a map if you're that slow!
Why don't you order online and have it delivered? That's as
efficient as it gets.


sf