wrote:
>
> One more thought on how the omer is clearly not applicable for the two
> pound diet. It was a measure of dry volume, such as in measuring grain,
> it was not a measure of weight. For the same volume according to the dry
> substance there can be a great difference in weight.

An omer (liter) of food will weigh about 2 pounds independent of water
content. Indeed, a liter of sweetened ice tea will weigh about 2
pounds. So too will a liter of flour.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> wrote:
>
>>One more thought on how the omer is clearly not applicable for the two
>>pound diet. It was a measure of dry volume, such as in measuring grain,
>>it was not a measure of weight. For the same volume according to the dry
>>substance there can be a great difference in weight.
>
> An omer (liter)

An omer is 3 1/2 liters, not one liter. I expect this will join the
Chung Parade of Unadmitted Blunders like the caloric content of bread
or potatoes. Or maybe how many calories are expended in a 5 mile
run... Stuff like that.

Those biblical desert wanderers ate a whole lot of food in a day. Must
have been pretty low caloric density, that manna.

Looks like it was more like 7+ pounds. I don't know how much manna
weighs "independent of water." Neither does Chung. Doesn't seem to
stop him from pontificating anyway.

Bob

> of food will weigh about 2 pounds independent of water
> content. Indeed, a liter of sweetened ice tea will weigh about 2
> pounds. So too will a liter of flour.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> wrote:
>
>>One more thought on how the omer is clearly not applicable for the two
>>pound diet. It was a measure of dry volume, such as in measuring grain,
>>it was not a measure of weight. For the same volume according to the dry
>>substance there can be a great difference in weight.
>
> An omer (liter)

An omer is 3 1/2 liters, not one liter. I expect this will join the
Chung Parade of Unadmitted Blunders like the caloric content of bread
or potatoes. Or maybe how many calories are expended in a 5 mile
run... Stuff like that.

Those biblical desert wanderers ate a whole lot of food in a day. Must
have been pretty low caloric density, that manna.

Looks like it was more like 7+ pounds. I don't know how much manna
weighs "independent of water." Neither does Chung. Doesn't seem to
stop him from pontificating anyway.

Bob

> of food will weigh about 2 pounds independent of water
> content. Indeed, a liter of sweetened ice tea will weigh about 2
> pounds. So too will a liter of flour.

wrote:
>
> Andrew, I with draw my original observation that the scripture instruction
> did not refer to each person. I do so not on the basis of your phrase:
>
> ""Take an omer (of manna) for each person you have in your tent."
>
> Sounds like one size fits all to me. It is likely that an omer of
> manna weighed about 2 lbs :-)"
>
> The phrase above doesn't appear in the scripture in question. I do so on
> the basis of consulting another translation, the rsv, where the term
> "person" is used in place of "man" in the kjv I used. As you must know,
> don't you, reference in scripture when speaking of groups of people often
> refered to "man/men" while the women and children had to be infered. The
> scripture I provided used "man" only and that each "man" was to gather an
> omer and take it to his tents.
>
> Andrew, see, retraction is not painful at all and confession good for the
> soul, which might be the advice to take in your case where applying
> tortured logic and wishful expectation to try to make an omer equate to 2
> lbs or a liter as you do in another post. An omer was a unit of dry
> volume, as in measuring grain and not weight. At around 3.6 liters we
> have no way to know the weight one could fit into that volume because it
> would vary greatly depending on what was being measured. I see others
> have joined on this question and they will no doubt add other valuable
> information to the 2 lb diet revision project, including those you can
> make. If for no other reason, having others to proofread is now a
> demonstrated value in itself.

I stand corrected not by you but by a kind soul who has informed me that
"omer" in Hebrew literally means "a certain unit of weight." So an
"omer" probably was about 2 pounds (or almost 1 kilogram) because that
is all that someone needs to reach and maintain "ideal" body weight,
ime:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

God is great :-)

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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wrote:
>
> "This link Chung provides makes no reference to the actual volume of an=20
> omer. As usual, he either didn't read it or thinks no one else will to=20
> get the truth of the matter."
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z6E81224A
>
> Do a search on liter in the link, the rabbi consulted says the omer was
> the name of a fee to be payed and was also a measure of dry volume, and he
> adds that it would be like saying the fee was a quart or liter and the
> name for the measure also being the name for the fee. Andrew saw what his
> preconception wanted to see. Now let's see if my friend Andrew corrects
> himself or retracts the statement, that will be the measure and there are
> names for it if he doesn't.

I stand corrected not by you but by a kind soul who has informed me that
"omer" in Hebrew literally means "a certain unit of weight." So an
"omer" probably was about 2 pounds (or almost 1 kilogram) because that
is all that someone needs to reach and maintain "ideal" body weight,
ime:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

God is great :-)


At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
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Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article <1106022150.d72c9ebca8dce809cb417f483ba1e03e@teran ews>:
>
> >Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> >> article <1105945930.bb89f80c1864392c5581cf77cbe0ac6b@teran ews>:
>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> "Oh, someone has.
>
> >> >> http://www.heartmdphd.com/losewtnd.pdf"
>
> >> >> I would wait until the fixed diet is done, 4 areas of major flaws have
> >> >> been identified and there will soon resume a reformation project to
> >> >> complete it and remove the flaws. We wait Andrew's return as he will
> >> >> contribute his knowledge in one of the flaw areas, as he has already
> >> >> started to do in previous work on the fix project. If you think you might
> >> >> have some contribution, here re the flaw areas not addressed well by the
> >> >> "diet" as it now is stated:
>
> >> >> energetics
> >> >> health
> >> >> nutrition
> >> >> exercise
>
> >> >See Exodus 16:16-17
>
> >> >One Omer (2 pounds) of food (manna) is all a person needs independent of
> >> >energetics, health, nutrition, or exercise. This is by God's design.
> >> >He should know because He made us.
>
> >> The omer is a dry measure; one omer is 1/10 of an ephah and thus 1/100
> >> of an homer. The omer was about 3.36 quarts; how did you determine that
> >> 3.36 quarts of manna, which was described as like coriander seed*,
> >> equaled two pounds?
>
> >One Omer is a volume measure of about one liter.
>
> 3.36 quarts do not equal one liter; according to Websters New Collegiate
> Dictionary, one dry measure quart is about 1.101 liters, making 3.36 dry
> quarts about 3.699 liters.
>
> >http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z6E81224A
>
> Sorry, you obviously have a reading problem. Here is what that site
> says about the omer; it doesn't define the amount at all but is
> commenting on the odd fact that the Offering of the Omer is the only one
> described by a quantity, not by other attributes such as "peace" or
> "thanksgiving" like the other required offerings.

I stand corrected not by you but by a kind soul who has informed me that
"omer" in Hebrew literally means "a certain unit of weight." So an
"omer" probably was about 2 pounds (or almost 1 kilogram) because that
is all that someone needs to reach and maintain "ideal" body weight,
ime:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp


> 'Number one: What does the word 'omer' mean? Omer was just a measure. It
> was the amount of grain that they had to bring. Is it not strange that
> the Korban should be called by the name omer? That is, in effect, like
> calling it the "Quart Offering" or the "Liter Offering."'

...or the "2 Pound Offering" )))

> >One liter of any kind of food will weigh about 2 pounds independent of
> >water content.
>
> Rather hard to believe, but perhaps you have a credible source?

This has already been discussed in the past. Would suggest you use
Google.

> >> And are you accounting for the quails they also ate
> >> along with the manna?
>
> >When the Israelites ate quail they were stricken with the plague (Nu
> >11:33).
>
> Sorry, no manna around the camp at the time of the spoiled meat from the
> quails in Numbers 11.

The manna stopped when the Israelites complained about becoming tired of
eating *only* manna.


> OTOH, in the story you first referenced God
> commanded the Hebrews to eat meat in the evening and bread in the
> morning, Exodus 16:12,

Apparently one day only. The rest of the 40 years was only manna and no
quail (Exodus 16:35 and Numbers 11:4).

> and in the evening quails came up and covered
> the camp, Exodus 16:13, and in the morning the manna was on the ground.

Again, apparently one day only followed by years of only manna leading
up to the scene of Numbers 11:33 when a plague occurred as a consequence
of eating *fresh* quail after complaining about manna.


At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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