Virginia Tadrzynski > wrote in message
...
==> Children and Nosy-Nellies that push too far <==
> I left, children in tow, public seeing I took charge,
> and one older lady with her mouth open.

I wish other parents would follow your example...

ObFood: Meatball soup with bamboo shoots. An interesting experiment that
will not be repeated.

The Ranger

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu 20 Jan 2005 11:22:27a, -L. tittered and giggled, and giggled and
> tittered, and finally blurted out...
>
> >
> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >> Unfortunately, all too often they are ill-behaved and the parents
> >> don't give a damn.
> >>
> >> Wayne
> > Or worse yet - don't see their children as "ill behaved".
> >
> > -L.
> >
> >
>
> I fear that's often the case.
>
> Wayne

A lot of times, the parents are just as rude if not worse than the
kids.......try sitting down at a food court when the next table is 'f-ing
this and f-ing' that and calling the kids little b*stards. the kids run
amok and the parents get all upset if a member of the restaurant staff asks
them to control the kids.
Seen this too many times. they should be put in the yard on a leash and let
someone who knows common decency teach their kids manners.
-Ginny

On Thu 20 Jan 2005 09:07:32p, Damsel called across the abyss...

> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:43:35 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
> > wrote:
>
>>OMG, I haven't thought about Green Stamps (S & H Green Stamps, IIRC)
>>in years.
>
> http://www.greenpoints.com/account/act_default.asp
>
> Carol

Collectively, weren't all the stamps issued by stores referred to as "trading
stamps"?

There was also Eagle Stamps given out by a variety of types of stores, not
usually supermarkets, but seems mainly by department stores. They could be
redeemed for tickets or coupons that you could spend in certain stores, or,
could be redeemed for a lesser value of cash money.

Wayne

On Thu 20 Jan 2005 09:22:25p, Virginia Tadrzynski called across the
abyss...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu 20 Jan 2005 11:22:27a, -L. tittered and giggled, and giggled and
>> tittered, and finally blurted out...
>>
>> >
>> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> >> Unfortunately, all too often they are ill-behaved and the parents
>> >> don't give a damn.
>> >>
>> >> Wayne
>> > Or worse yet - don't see their children as "ill behaved".
>> >
>> > -L.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I fear that's often the case.
>>
>> Wayne
>
> A lot of times, the parents are just as rude if not worse than the
> kids.......try sitting down at a food court when the next table is
> 'f-ing this and f-ing' that and calling the kids little b*stards. the
> kids run amok and the parents get all upset if a member of the
> restaurant staff asks them to control the kids.
> Seen this too many times. they should be put in the yard on a leash and
> let someone who knows common decency teach their kids manners.
> -Ginny

I look around carefully before deciding to eat in a food court, fast food
joint, or "family" restaurant. Many times I turn around and walk out.

Wayne

Michael O'Donnell wrote:
> In article -L. savoured the salmon then said
> >
> >
> >
> > Nothing irritates me more than kids running
> > around the store, unattended, screaming, spitting and/or wailing
like
> > monkeys on crack. There's absolutely no excuse for it.
>
> ha!
> that's a very good analogy, -L.

Stolen from alt.support.childfree, and no I'm not one, just sympathetic
to the cause.

-L.

On Thu 20 Jan 2005 11:31:04p, Michael O'Donnell called across the abyss...

> In article Wayne Boatwright savoured the salmon then said

>> On Tue 18 Jan 2005 08:51:32p, Nancree tittered and giggled, and giggled
>> My solution? I shop at the most uncommon times imaginable; at 5 or 6
>> o'clock in the morning or 11 or 12 o'clock in the evening. The stores
>> are sparsely populated and I can enjoy the process.
>>
>> Creative avoidance is sometimes the best solution!
>
> I'm with you Wayne.
> I used to do all the family shopping, and would go at 7am on a Saturday
> I generally took an hour, and the store would only be starting to get
> busy by the time I left ( blissfully ! )
>
> Now, i'm enjoying the experience even more, as either me or the good
> wife will order all the bulk/boring/staples from my local store on the
> internet ( they deliver and lug all the heavy stuff for a flat $5 rate !
> ) and I/we/she go out for 'specialty items' and support the smaller
> specialty stores more now ( wherease we'd often get all the meat & veg
> from the supermarket due to time/tired/convenience factors ).
>
> Also, I used to take the car. Now, I take a pleasant walk, and return
> with only a few bags for a specific meal, or something different/nice.
>
> Internet shopping has opened my world !
>
> Cheers,
> Mick

Somes stores in our area have just started local delivery. I've been
thinking of looking into that.

Thanks,
Wayne

Siobhan wrote:

> A mom and kid shopping. Kid starts to throw a tantrum, screaming, on her
> back, flailing limbs, 'cos she couldn't have something. The mom watches
> this for a moment then leans down and says loudly, "I'LL BE OVER BY THE
> VEGETABLES" and walks away, doing that thing moms do where they keep an
> eye on you even if they look like they're ignoring you.

I'LL BE AT THE BAR.

Bob

Michael O'Donnell wrote:

>
> You sound like you are doing a fine job, Denise~*
> Although our son is much younger, you sound like my wife ( and I happen
> to think she is a very wise woman. I trust her implicitly in the
> rearing of our child
>
> Cheers,
> Mick
>

Thankyouverymuch.

In article >,
"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:

> A lot of times, the parents are just as rude if not worse than the
> kids.......try sitting down at a food court when the next table is 'f-ing
> this and f-ing' that and calling the kids little b*stards. the kids run
> amok and the parents get all upset if a member of the restaurant staff asks
> them to control the kids.

A number of years back, I happened to be around a relative of a friend
of mine. The friend's relative's kids (I don't recall their age...
certainly under 12) were cursing a blue streak. Their father yelled at
them, then turned back to us and said, without any irony, "I don't know
where the f*** they get that."

--
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On Fri 21 Jan 2005 03:50:13p, Donna wrote...

<<SNIP>>

> Many, many people have asked us through the years what our secret was in
> raising such fine boys.
>
> So with persistence, children can be a pleasure to be with.
>
> Donna
>

Donna, the way you raised your sons sounds exactly like the way my parents
raised me, although I was an only child. This must have been in another era
(my rearing was in another era), and I mean that as a compliment! I suspect
few children today are raised with such attention and thoughtfulness. Most
of my parents' friends raised their children in much the same manner.

Regards,
Wayne

"Vox Humana" > wrote in message
>> One thing I did with my boys as they went into middle school age::::::::
>> When they and I were at a restaurant (when their dad wasn't with us), I
>> would slip them money under the table, and they would ask for the bill
>> and
>> see to paying the waiter and figuring the tip. I also had one of them
> order
>> for me, as my husband would have done had he been there. In this way
>> they
>> learned how a young man should behave on a date, etc., so as not to feel
>> awkward later.
>
> What!

What what? That's the way it used to be. The man always did the ordering
and paid the bill. The wait staff used to always come to the gentleman for
the order. That was considered good manners.

It may be old fashioned but my wife still likes for me to order for her also
because it makes her feel special getting treated like a queen.
Unfortunately, the staff will always ask her first. My wife has never paid
the bill or pumped gas in her car, or started a fire in the wood stove
either.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

On Fri 21 Jan 2005 09:56:22p, Edwin Pawlowski called across the abyss...

>
> "Vox Humana" > wrote in message
>>> One thing I did with my boys as they went into middle school
>>> age:::::::: When they and I were at a restaurant (when their dad
>>> wasn't with us), I would slip them money under the table, and they
>>> would ask for the bill and see to paying the waiter and figuring the
>>> tip. I also had one of them order for me, as my husband would have
>>> done had he been there. In this way they learned how a young man
>>> should behave on a date, etc., so as not to feel awkward later.
>>
>> What!
>
> What what? That's the way it used to be. The man always did the
> ordering and paid the bill. The wait staff used to always come to the
> gentleman for the order. That was considered good manners.
>
> It may be old fashioned but my wife still likes for me to order for her
> also because it makes her feel special getting treated like a queen.
> Unfortunately, the staff will always ask her first. My wife has never
> paid the bill or pumped gas in her car, or started a fire in the wood
> stove either.

Unfortunately it's a time gone by for the most part. A sad passing, IMHO!

Wayne

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:56:22 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

>What what? That's the way it used to be. The man always did the ordering
>and paid the bill. The wait staff used to always come to the gentleman for
>the order. That was considered good manners.
>
>It may be old fashioned but my wife still likes for me to order for her also
>because it makes her feel special getting treated like a queen.
>Unfortunately, the staff will always ask her first. My wife has never paid
>the bill or pumped gas in her car, or started a fire in the wood stove
>either.

It's great that you and your wife have the relationship you want. However,
I'm *very* glad that I'm able to have the relationship *I* want. I'm way
too much of a control freak to turn stuff over to my husband like that.

and I'm proud to be the one who handles the woodstove and pumps the gas. I
don't pay the bills, but only because my husband is better at the ancillary
work of budgetting than I am. I'm better at cooking, but he does the
dishes. We just divide things up according to our abilities...

Hmmm mebbe that's what you're doing to.

--
Siobhan Perricone
Humans wrote the bible,
God wrote the rocks
-- Word of God by Kathy Mar

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri 21 Jan 2005 09:56:22p, Edwin Pawlowski called across the abyss...

>> It may be old fashioned but my wife still likes for me to order for her
>> also because it makes her feel special getting treated like a queen.
>> Unfortunately, the staff will always ask her first. My wife has never
>> paid the bill or pumped gas in her car, or started a fire in the wood
>> stove either.

The scariest thing you said, no offense meant, is the bill paying thing ...
if you kick the bucket tomorrow, is she equipped to take care of the
finances? Does she know where the money is? Etc?

Lucky for me I could light a fireplace when ron was out of town and
the furnace went during a cold snap. I have never pumped gas, myself,
it's illegal here, but if self serve was the norm I would certainly like to
know how that works.

Again, no offense meant, you step in front of a bus tomorrow, it came
across that she will be left, not only heartbroken, but helpless.

> Unfortunately it's a time gone by for the most part. A sad passing, IMHO!

Well, back to the ordering in a restaurant, a guy would have a hard time
with me, I often am deciding between two options and will only decide
when the waiter says, and what will you have?

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...

> The scariest thing you said, no offense meant, is the bill paying thing
> ...
> if you kick the bucket tomorrow, is she equipped to take care of the
> finances? Does she know where the money is? Etc?

I meant paid the bill in a restaurant. She has paid the bills at home, but
you do bring up a very god point. Often when the spouse in charge of
finance dies, the other is left with problems. I've take some precaustion
on that. For one thing, I pay some bills on line but I keep the paper
statements coming "just in case" the computer dies or I do.

As for the other things, she is actually quite capable, but I prefer to do
it for her. She does other things for me. When I get out of the shower in
the morning, my breakfast is ready and my lunch is made and packed.


>
> Again, no offense meant, you step in front of a bus tomorrow, it came
> across that she will be left, not only heartbroken, but helpless.

No offense taken. My brohter passed away just over a year ago. his wife had
no clue about some things. Every one should have an envelope iwth at least
basic insructions how to find bank accounts, insurance policies, pasword to
the computer or any other little bits of information to help those left with
the chore of settling things.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

>
> It may be old fashioned but my wife still likes for me to order for her also
> because it makes her feel special getting treated like a queen.
> Unfortunately, the staff will always ask her first. My wife has never paid
> the bill or pumped gas in her car, or started a fire in the wood stove
> either.



I understand where you are both coming from, Ed, but she's
going to be up the creek if you ever get debilitated enough
to not provide those services for her. That's too much like
not teaching your kids the Usefull Skills before turning them
loose ont he world.

I know too many women who don't know how to pay a bill or
(figuratively) change a lightbulb, and it's not pleasant
when they are required to do so.

gloria p

My husband orders for me at restaurants, but just because it's a traditional
(if old fashioned, I know) point of etiquette, and (to me) a courtesy.
This is all IMHO.

On the other hand, I do the taxes at home, pay bills, and have run a $3
million budget at work (i.e., preparing the budget and allocating the use of
funds, and overseeing the spending of the budget---which included screening
the requests for the uses of the monies & turning down requests when
necessary). So I'm quite capable of running finances. In my previous life,
I was a high school principal and later assistant superintendent in charge
of special programs, so I dealt with the federal and state monies, grants,
and local monies. I "knew where the money was" better than any other
administrator on the curriculum side of the operation.

But I still enjoy those old-fashioned courtesies from my husband and grown
sons. And I've noticed that my sons extend the same courtesies to their
wives, who are also professional women.

Not for everyone ---- just IMHO.

Donna



"Puester" > wrote in message
...
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>
>> It may be old fashioned but my wife still likes for me to order for her
>> also because it makes her feel special getting treated like a queen.
>> Unfortunately, the staff will always ask her first. My wife has never
>> paid the bill or pumped gas in her car, or started a fire in the wood
>> stove either.
>
>
>
> I understand where you are both coming from, Ed, but she's
> going to be up the creek if you ever get debilitated enough
> to not provide those services for her. That's too much like
> not teaching your kids the Usefull Skills before turning them
> loose ont he world.
>
> I know too many women who don't know how to pay a bill or
> (figuratively) change a lightbulb, and it's not pleasant
> when they are required to do so.
>
> gloria p

"Puester" > wrote in message
>
> I understand where you are both coming from, Ed, but she's
> going to be up the creek if you ever get debilitated enough
> to not provide those services for her. That's too much like
> not teaching your kids the Usefull Skills before turning them
> loose ont he world.

Nope, she is quite capable and CAN do those things. We just chose to have
our own different duties. We happen to like the old fashioned roles of
family. I can assure you she is quite independent and not the least bit
subservient.

I worked, she stayed home and took care of the house and kids. That gave
them plenty of real Useful Skills for life rather than learning from a day
care center. Works for us and my kids are very independent and raising
their own families. .

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> The scariest thing you said, no offense meant, is the bill paying thing
>> ...
>> if you kick the bucket tomorrow, is she equipped to take care of the
>> finances? Does she know where the money is? Etc?
>
> I meant paid the bill in a restaurant.

Oh! (laugh) That's a little different. I was quite surprised to see you
say something like that, recipe for disaster.

> She has paid the bills at home, but you do bring up a very god point.
> Often when the spouse in charge of finance dies, the other is left with
> problems. I've take some precaustion on that. For one thing, I pay some
> bills on line but I keep the paper statements coming "just in case" the
> computer dies or I do.

Good move. I pay the bills, but I have most of them automatically
deducted from my checking account, I just keep way too much money
in my account so I don't even have to think about it.

> As for the other things, she is actually quite capable, but I prefer to do
> it for her. She does other things for me. When I get out of the shower in
> the morning, my breakfast is ready and my lunch is made and packed.

Hey, I didn't mean to imply she was incompetent. I knew when I posted
I was skating on thin ice.

> No offense taken. My brohter passed away just over a year ago. his wife
> had no clue about some things. Every one should have an envelope iwth at
> least basic insructions how to find bank accounts, insurance policies,
> pasword to the computer or any other little bits of information to help
> those left with the chore of settling things.

I could not agree more. I keep a file in a safe place, plus people know
where
to find it. Unfortunately, and I'm dreading it, I just have to call my
mother and
ask about that ... after all, I'm her executor, I couldn't tell you where
her money
is, like that.

nancy

>"Edwin Pawlowski"
>
>I worked, she stayed home and took care of the house and kids. That gave
>them plenty of real Useful Skills for life rather than learning from a day
>care center.

Day Care Center is simply a politically correct euphemism for "Orphanage",
where unwanted children are dumped off so those certain immature, selfish, self
centered individuals who are incapable of accepting the responsibility can
rationalize their claim to parenthood.


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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:18:23 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

> The scariest thing you said, no offense meant, is the bill paying thing ...
> if you kick the bucket tomorrow, is she equipped to take care of the
> finances? Does she know where the money is? Etc?

She'll cross that bridge when she comes to it and she'll
manage quite nicely. I let my husband pay the bills. I
don't like doing it and am very happy that he took on the
responsibility.

I'm an estimator who doesn't bother to record checks - which
drove him up the wall for years. If I stayed in the black,
I was happy. He wants to know to the penny what's in the
checking acccount, how much we owe & where, so we called a
truce over the concept of how to handle money long ago. We
now have a "working" arrangement that suits both of us. He
can watch the bottom line and I don't have to bother with
it.


sf

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Vox Humana" > wrote in message
> >> One thing I did with my boys as they went into middle school
age::::::::
> >> When they and I were at a restaurant (when their dad wasn't with us), I
> >> would slip them money under the table, and they would ask for the bill
> >> and
> >> see to paying the waiter and figuring the tip. I also had one of them
> > order
> >> for me, as my husband would have done had he been there. In this way
> >> they
> >> learned how a young man should behave on a date, etc., so as not to
feel
> >> awkward later.
> >
> > What!
>
> What what? That's the way it used to be. The man always did the ordering
> and paid the bill. The wait staff used to always come to the gentleman
for
> the order. That was considered good manners.
>
> It may be old fashioned but my wife still likes for me to order for her
also
> because it makes her feel special getting treated like a queen.
> Unfortunately, the staff will always ask her first. My wife has never
paid
> the bill or pumped gas in her car, or started a fire in the wood stove
> either.
> --
> Ed
> http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

That's fine for you, but I don't think people have generally done it that
way since about 1964. I would imagine that having your 12 year old son
order for you like he was your date would be about the most exquisitely
embarrassing situation one could engineer - sort of sending him to the
corner store to pick up a giant box or extra absorbent sanitary napkins.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri 21 Jan 2005 09:56:22p, Edwin Pawlowski called across the abyss...
>
> >
> > "Vox Humana" > wrote in message
> >>> One thing I did with my boys as they went into middle school
> >>> age:::::::: When they and I were at a restaurant (when their dad
> >>> wasn't with us), I would slip them money under the table, and they
> >>> would ask for the bill and see to paying the waiter and figuring the
> >>> tip. I also had one of them order for me, as my husband would have
> >>> done had he been there. In this way they learned how a young man
> >>> should behave on a date, etc., so as not to feel awkward later.
> >>
> >> What!
> >
> > What what? That's the way it used to be. The man always did the
> > ordering and paid the bill. The wait staff used to always come to the
> > gentleman for the order. That was considered good manners.
> >
> > It may be old fashioned but my wife still likes for me to order for her
> > also because it makes her feel special getting treated like a queen.
> > Unfortunately, the staff will always ask her first. My wife has never
> > paid the bill or pumped gas in her car, or started a fire in the wood
> > stove either.
>
> Unfortunately it's a time gone by for the most part. A sad passing, IMHO!

Say? I was thinking just the opposite.

"Donna" > wrote in message
...
> My husband orders for me at restaurants, but just because it's a
traditional
> (if old fashioned, I know) point of etiquette, and (to me) a courtesy.
> This is all IMHO.


Do you get to pick the food or is that a surprise?

"Vox Humana" > wrote in news:tzyId.48512$re1.46109
@fe2.columbus.rr.com:

>
> "Donna" > wrote in message
> ...
>> My husband orders for me at restaurants, but just because it's a
> traditional
>> (if old fashioned, I know) point of etiquette, and (to me) a courtesy.
>> This is all IMHO.
>
>
> Do you get to pick the food or is that a surprise?
>

That's what I was wondering! Does "orders for me" mean that he simply
restates your wishes to the waiter, or does it mean that he picks out what
you're going to eat <g>

Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Puester > wrote in
:

>
> I understand where you are both coming from, Ed, but she's
> going to be up the creek if you ever get debilitated enough
> to not provide those services for her. That's too much like
> not teaching your kids the Usefull Skills before turning them
> loose ont he world.
>
> I know too many women who don't know how to pay a bill or
> (figuratively) change a lightbulb, and it's not pleasant
> when they are required to do so.
>

It's not just women, either. At a recent embroidery workshop I was at,
this topic came up (can't remember how). The tutor told us how she had
met a man (I'll call him Harry because I can't remember what his name
was) living at an aged care facility where she used to visit her aunt.
Harry still owned the small home where he'd lived with his wife, and went
there once a week to check on things, mow the lawn when required, etc.

Our tutor asked him one day why he was living at the facility since he
seemed quite healthy and vital. If he still owned his own home, why
didn't he just live there? Harry's reply was that when his wife had died
he'd realised that he could barely make himself a cup of tea. He could
pay the bills, mow the lawns, the things he'd done as "man of the house",
but he had no idea how to look after himself otherwise - grocery
shopping, cooking, washing the clothes, ironing etc. - all a mystery to
him. Some people would learn to do these things, but he must have decided
it was beyond him, or perhaps had no wish to learn, so he went somewhere
where it would still be done for him.

I though it awfully sad.

I believe the tutor told her husband that story the next time he tried to
get out of some household chore on the grounds that he didn't know how to
do it <g>


Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

"Rhonda Anderson" > wrote in message
.5...
> "Vox Humana" > wrote in news:tzyId.48512$re1.46109
> @fe2.columbus.rr.com:
>
> >
> > "Donna" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> My husband orders for me at restaurants, but just because it's a
> > traditional
> >> (if old fashioned, I know) point of etiquette, and (to me) a courtesy.
> >> This is all IMHO.
> >
> >
> > Do you get to pick the food or is that a surprise?
> >
>
> That's what I was wondering! Does "orders for me" mean that he simply
> restates your wishes to the waiter, or does it mean that he picks out what
> you're going to eat <g>
>

Do you think she gets a menu without prices? To be authentic, I think the
"little lady" has to order from the special menu without prices. "The
little lady will have the steamed vegetable plate and a glass of tap water.
I'll have the king's portion of prime rib, sautéed mushrooms, oven roasted
asparagus, and a loaded baked potato with a bottle of your best bergundy."

"Vox Humana" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Donna" > wrote in message
> ...
>> My husband orders for me at restaurants, but just because it's a
> traditional
>> (if old fashioned, I know) point of etiquette, and (to me) a courtesy.
>> This is all IMHO.
>
>
> Do you get to pick the food or is that a surprise?

A few of the best meals we've ever had were when neither of us picked the
food. I made arrangements at a restaurant in advance. I told the owner
that it was a special occasion (anniversary) and just wanted a little extra
attention for my wife. I did not want a menu, we did want wine, appetizer,
etc. I left the menu selection to him. In all cases, it was on a weekday
night, not a Saturday when it is crowded and fast paced. We arrived on time
and were shown to our table and brought our drinks.

On one occasion, the restaurant was in a huge Victorian house that was
converted. We even had our own room!. Others thought there must have been
visiting dignitaries or a king and queen the way we were being served. They
saw the staff going in and out but could not see us. Not only did we have
fabulous dinners, the chef/owner thanked us for allowing him to be creative
and try a little deviation from the norm.

> Does "orders for me" mean that he simply
> restates your wishes to the waiter, or does it mean that he picks out what
> you're going to eat <g>

He just conveys your wishes to the waiter. You have previously gone over
the menu and have decided what you wish to have.

Donna

"Donna" > wrote in
:

>
>> Does "orders for me" mean that he simply
>> restates your wishes to the waiter, or does it mean that he picks out
>> what you're going to eat <g>
>
> He just conveys your wishes to the waiter. You have previously gone
> over the menu and have decided what you wish to have.
>

OK, thanks. Wasn't sure from the original post.

Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

On 22 Jan 2005 19:48:05 GMT, (PENMART01) wrote:

>>"Edwin Pawlowski"
>>
>>I worked, she stayed home and took care of the house and kids. That gave
>>them plenty of real Useful Skills for life rather than learning from a day
>>care center.
>
>Day Care Center is simply a politically correct euphemism for "Orphanage",
>where unwanted children are dumped off so those certain immature, selfish, self
>centered individuals who are incapable of accepting the responsibility can
>rationalize their claim to parenthood.

No, it's just a fancy name for "babysitter" There have always been
babysitters, there always will. Anyone who expects parents to raise
children with any assistance is living in a dream world. Oh right... it's
you, Sheldon.

--
Siobhan Perricone
Humans wrote the bible,
God wrote the rocks
-- Word of God by Kathy Mar

"Siobhan Perricone" > wrote in message
>
> No, it's just a fancy name for "babysitter" There have always been
> babysitters, there always will. Anyone who expects parents to raise
> children with any assistance is living in a dream world. Oh right... it's
> you, Sheldon.

Depends. Baby sitters used to be grandma or the nice neighbor lady that
really cared about your child. Far different than some (note: I said some,
not all) of the warehouses for kids used today. Some are good, some are,
well, very poor.

"Donna" > wrote in message
...
> Edwin, that is a lovely idea. You are creative--and a prince.
>
> Donna
>

Thank you. I try to treat my wife the way she deserves and she returns the
courtesy to me. It has worked well for coming up on 40 years this year.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

>"Edwin Pawlowski"
>
>"Siobhan Perricone" > wrote in message
>>
>> No, it's just a fancy name for "babysitter" There have always been
>> babysitters, there always will. Anyone who expects parents to raise
>> children with any assistance is living in a dream world. Oh right... it's
>> you, Sheldon.

Actually when the kid is institutionalized all day on weekly/monthly/yearly
basis it's called a KENNEL... the kind of mother who cages her kids like a cur
dog on a steady basis is otherwise known as a BITCH.

>Depends. Baby sitters used to be grandma or the nice neighbor lady that
>really cared about your child. Far different than some (note: I said some,
>not all) of the warehouses for kids used today.

Babysitters are for when parents need an occasional evening out... not when
it's all day every day... that's called incarceration... day care centers are
no different from a work release program, the proprietor no different from a
warden.

Birthing a child makes one a mother but in no way makes one a parent... and
dumping kids off makes one a lousy mother.

M-W

ba·by-sit
verb
Inflected Form(s): baby-sat /-"sat/; -sit·ting
Etymology: back-formation from baby-sitter
Date: 1947

: to care for children during a short absence of the parents
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PENMART01 wrote in message >...
>>"Edwin Pawlowski"
>>
>>"Siobhan Perricone" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> No, it's just a fancy name for "babysitter" There have always been
>>> babysitters, there always will. Anyone who expects parents to raise
>>> children with any assistance is living in a dream world. Oh right...
it's
>>> you, Sheldon.
>
>Actually when the kid is institutionalized all day on weekly/monthly/yearly
>basis it's called a KENNEL... the kind of mother who cages her kids like a
cur
>dog on a steady basis is otherwise known as a BITCH.
>

what about the father? oh yeah, i forgot. it's perfectly fine for the male
parent of a child to leave them in the care of another person (namely their
slave/wife) while they earn a living.

--
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Siobhan Perricone" > wrote in message
>
>>No, it's just a fancy name for "babysitter" There have always been
>>babysitters, there always will. Anyone who expects parents to raise
>>children with any assistance is living in a dream world. Oh right... it's
>>you, Sheldon.
>
>
> Depends. Baby sitters used to be grandma or the nice neighbor lady that
> really cared about your child. Far different than some (note: I said some,
> not all) of the warehouses for kids used today. Some are good, some are,
> well, very poor.
>
>
>
>

(whine mode on)
But SOMEBODY'S gotta raise the children so Mom and Dad can work
to afford their McMansion, lavish vacations, ski condo, and behemoth
twin SUVs...

gloria p

"Saerah" > wrote in message

>
> what about the father? oh yeah, i forgot. it's perfectly fine for the male
> parent of a child to leave them in the care of another person (namely
> their
> slave/wife) while they earn a living.
>

That is exactly what I did. But my wife is far from a slave. She is a
dedicated mother that wanted to stay home and raise a family and gave up a
banking career to do that. It was a conscience decision.

If you feel the slave/wife is a suitable term you have the option of not
getting married and not having children and the responsibility that goes
along with them. That's what makes America great!

"Puester" > wrote in message
...

> (whine mode on)
> But SOMEBODY'S gotta raise the children so Mom and Dad can work
> to afford their McMansion, lavish vacations, ski condo, and behemoth twin
> SUVs...

Heh, around here both parents have to work just to provide a roof over
their head, be it an apartment or a modest house.

nancy

Puester wrote in message ...
>Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "Siobhan Perricone" > wrote in message
>>
>>>No, it's just a fancy name for "babysitter" There have always been
>>>babysitters, there always will. Anyone who expects parents to raise
>>>children with any assistance is living in a dream world. Oh right... it's
>>>you, Sheldon.
>>
>>
>> Depends. Baby sitters used to be grandma or the nice neighbor lady that
>> really cared about your child. Far different than some (note: I said
some,
>> not all) of the warehouses for kids used today. Some are good, some are,
>> well, very poor.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>(whine mode on)
>But SOMEBODY'S gotta raise the children so Mom and Dad can work
>to afford their McMansion, lavish vacations, ski condo, and behemoth
>twin SUVs...

or conversely, a two bedroom apartment, medical bills, and groceries.

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Edwin Pawlowski wrote in message ...
>
>"Saerah" > wrote in message
>
>>
>> what about the father? oh yeah, i forgot. it's perfectly fine for the
male
>> parent of a child to leave them in the care of another person (namely
>> their
>> slave/wife) while they earn a living.
>>
>
>That is exactly what I did. But my wife is far from a slave. She is a
>dedicated mother that wanted to stay home and raise a family and gave up a
>banking career to do that. It was a conscience decision.
>
>If you feel the slave/wife is a suitable term you have the option of not
>getting married and not having children and the responsibility that goes
>along with them. That's what makes America great!

I am married, with a child. I also work full-time. my husband and I have
arranged our schedules so that one of us is home caring for our 3 year old
while the other is working. even if i could afford child care, i would
rather not put my child in the care of strangers. I am no less dedicated a
mother than someone who can afford to quit their job to stay home and be a
full time mother and homemaker. my objection is to the blaming of the female
parent for working, but not assuming the same parental obligations to the
father of said child.

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