wrote in message
oups.com...
> Good move and good timing! I have to say, I feel VERY
> sorry for the clerk in that other line! What a stinking
> mess to clean up!

That's what baggers [Use. Abuse. Toss away when done.] are for.

The Ranger

"Vox Humana" > wrote in message
...

<Funny story snipped>

> After getting over the initial shock and disgust, I realized how lucky I
> was
> to have listened to the little voice that told me to pick another line. I
> laughed all the way home.

Years ago a neighbor down the street was a local store manager and his wife
a clerk at a local market chain. (his wife had to work at another store).
I asked him the worst think he's ever experienced from an employee or
customer.

He said it was Halloween and a new young part timer was stacking the cold
case (milk). Apparently the part timer had a full arm "monster hand" which
he had put on. He waited for an unsuspecting "little old lady"

Shhh you're way ahead of me.

You guessed it, the lady reached for a quart of lo-fat when a monster
reached out and started to drag her into the cold case.

Well after hearing the Blood Curdling Screams he managed to get the ladies
harm released from the Monster and promptly canned the employee. Actually I
think had wanted to put him in the cardboard bailer.

True story

Dimitri

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
om...
>
> "Vox Humana" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> <Funny story snipped>
>
> > After getting over the initial shock and disgust, I realized how lucky I
> > was
> > to have listened to the little voice that told me to pick another line.
I
> > laughed all the way home.
>
> Years ago a neighbor down the street was a local store manager and his
wife
> a clerk at a local market chain. (his wife had to work at another store).
> I asked him the worst think he's ever experienced from an employee or
> customer.
>
> He said it was Halloween and a new young part timer was stacking the cold
> case (milk). Apparently the part timer had a full arm "monster hand"
which
> he had put on. He waited for an unsuspecting "little old lady"
>
> Shhh you're way ahead of me.
>
> You guessed it, the lady reached for a quart of lo-fat when a monster
> reached out and started to drag her into the cold case.
>
> Well after hearing the Blood Curdling Screams he managed to get the ladies
> harm released from the Monster and promptly canned the employee. Actually
I
> think had wanted to put him in the cardboard bailer.

That reminds me of an incident in my office years ago. I was located next
to a fancy retirement center. I subscribed to a tape of the month club.
Usually they sent motivational tapes, but one month I got a set of
relaxation tapes. I decided to slip one into the office music system. It
was a trip down a mountain stream that ended in a waterfall. A couple of
elderly women came in as the waterfall started. They thought an airplane
was about to crash into the building and got all excited. I flipped the
tape over and it happened to be evening in the forest with wolves. Both
women were afraid to leave, sure that they would be eaten alive by a pack of
wild dogs. I was unable to convince them that they were listening to a
tape. They left reluctantly and cautiously made their way back to the home!

snip..
>
>I was about to hit the floor thinking that someone had pulled a gun. It
>turns out that the child, who had been eating a bag of candy while sitting
>in the child seat of the cart was stricken with an spontaneous case of
>projectile vomiting. The poor kid, who was way underdressed for the weather
>and who should have been in bed hours ago, had showered the cart, the candy
>rack, the conveyer, her relatives, and herself with vomit.
>
>After getting over the initial shock and disgust, I realized how lucky I was
>to have listened to the little voice that told me to pick another line. I
>laughed all the way home.
>
I can almost beat this story....when I was about 8 years old I picked
up a nasty sliver in the side of my right thumb, of course it became
badly infected and I knew how much it would hurt when Mom found out
and tried to squeeze it out so I hid it from her. I was successful for
a few days and this thumb got really really nasty.

So, we go grocery shopping after dinner one evening, we get in the
checkout line, I move ahead of her to start putting the grocerys on
the conveyor and as I reach for the first item she spies my grossly
swollen thumb. Without saying a word she grabs my hand gives the poor
thumb a massive squeeze, huge gobs of yellow pus all over the conveyor
and the poor ******* in front of us. All I remeber after that was the
pain.

Jim

> wrote in message
...
> snip..
> >
> >I was about to hit the floor thinking that someone had pulled a gun. It
> >turns out that the child, who had been eating a bag of candy while
sitting
> >in the child seat of the cart was stricken with an spontaneous case of
> >projectile vomiting. The poor kid, who was way underdressed for the
weather
> >and who should have been in bed hours ago, had showered the cart, the
candy
> >rack, the conveyer, her relatives, and herself with vomit.
> >
> >After getting over the initial shock and disgust, I realized how lucky I
was
> >to have listened to the little voice that told me to pick another line.
I
> >laughed all the way home.
> >
> I can almost beat this story....when I was about 8 years old I picked
> up a nasty sliver in the side of my right thumb, of course it became
> badly infected and I knew how much it would hurt when Mom found out
> and tried to squeeze it out so I hid it from her. I was successful for
> a few days and this thumb got really really nasty.
>
> So, we go grocery shopping after dinner one evening, we get in the
> checkout line, I move ahead of her to start putting the grocerys on
> the conveyor and as I reach for the first item she spies my grossly
> swollen thumb. Without saying a word she grabs my hand gives the poor
> thumb a massive squeeze, huge gobs of yellow pus all over the conveyor
> and the poor ******* in front of us. All I remeber after that was the
> pain.

It makes you wonder just how unsanitary those grocery carts are.

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:06:57 GMT, "Vox Humana" > wrote:

>It makes you wonder just how unsanitary those grocery carts are.

There's a store in town that offers sanitary wipes at the door, for people
who don't want to pick up crud from previous users, and to put on the
handle if they've got kids who put everything in their mouths. I think
that's a nice touch.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

"Damsel" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:06:57 GMT, "Vox Humana" >
wrote:
>
> >It makes you wonder just how unsanitary those grocery carts are.
>
> There's a store in town that offers sanitary wipes at the door, for people
> who don't want to pick up crud from previous users, and to put on the
> handle if they've got kids who put everything in their mouths. I think
> that's a nice touch.
>
> Carol

Our Jungle Jim's market also has those wipes. In fact, the sign shows a
toddler chewing on the handle of the cart and advises people to use the
wipes.
http://www.junglejims.com/ If you ever get to Cincinnati, you have to stop
there!

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:12:35 -0600, Damsel >
wrote:

>There's a store in town that offers sanitary wipes at the door, for people
>who don't want to pick up crud from previous users, and to put on the
>handle if they've got kids who put everything in their mouths. I think
>that's a nice touch.

Gelson's in SoCal does this. There's a stand with a container
advertising "sanitary wipes." I am such an idiot that it wasn't until
I read your post that I realized why they were there. Doh!

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA


"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

One time on Usenet, Terry Pulliam Burd > said:
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:12:35 -0600, Damsel >
> wrote:
>
> >There's a store in town that offers sanitary wipes at the door, for people
> >who don't want to pick up crud from previous users, and to put on the
> >handle if they've got kids who put everything in their mouths. I think
> >that's a nice touch.
>
> Gelson's in SoCal does this. There's a stand with a container
> advertising "sanitary wipes." I am such an idiot that it wasn't until
> I read your post that I realized why they were there. Doh!

None of my local markets do this -- it's a great idea, I think I'll
suggest it to them...


--
J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~
"I rule you!" - Travis of the Cosmos, ATHF

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:26:03 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:12:35 -0600, Damsel >
>wrote:
>
>>There's a store in town that offers sanitary wipes at the door, for people
>>who don't want to pick up crud from previous users, and to put on the
>>handle if they've got kids who put everything in their mouths. I think
>>that's a nice touch.
>
>Gelson's in SoCal does this. There's a stand with a container
>advertising "sanitary wipes." I am such an idiot that it wasn't until
>I read your post that I realized why they were there. Doh!

<Damsel bows> I am here to teach and to serve.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On Thu 20 Jan 2005 09:26:03p, Terry Pulliam Burd called across the abyss...

> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:12:35 -0600, Damsel >
> wrote:
>
>>There's a store in town that offers sanitary wipes at the door, for people
>>who don't want to pick up crud from previous users, and to put on the
>>handle if they've got kids who put everything in their mouths. I think
>>that's a nice touch.
>
> Gelson's in SoCal does this. There's a stand with a container
> advertising "sanitary wipes." I am such an idiot that it wasn't until
> I read your post that I realized why they were there. Doh!

Hmmm... What DID you think they were for, Terry? <G>

Wayne

Vox Humana wrote:
> "Damsel" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:06:57 GMT, "Vox Humana"
>
> wrote:
> >
> > >It makes you wonder just how unsanitary those grocery carts are.
> >
> > There's a store in town that offers sanitary wipes at the door, for
people
> > who don't want to pick up crud from previous users, and to put on
the
> > handle if they've got kids who put everything in their mouths. I
think
> > that's a nice touch.
> >
> > Carol
>
> Our Jungle Jim's market also has those wipes. In fact, the sign
shows a
> toddler chewing on the handle of the cart and advises people to use
the
> wipes.
> http://www.junglejims.com/ If you ever get to Cincinnati, you have
to stop
> there!


I wipe the cart down with a baby wipe and I also have a cart cover
which I secure to the cart before I put DS in. It has a 5-point
harness, so there is basically no way he can get up or out of the seat.
Saved my sanity more than once. Some Moms loook at me like I'm nuts
when I take the extra 3 minutes to install the thing and wipe down the
cart. But my kid has only had one cold so far, and that one he caught
on an airplane. I also wipe the cart down after we are done with it.
-L.

wrote:
> snip..
> >
> >I was about to hit the floor thinking that someone had pulled a gun.
It
> >turns out that the child, who had been eating a bag of candy while
sitting
> >in the child seat of the cart was stricken with an spontaneous case
of
> >projectile vomiting. The poor kid, who was way underdressed for the
weather
> >and who should have been in bed hours ago, had showered the cart,
the candy
> >rack, the conveyer, her relatives, and herself with vomit.
> >
> >After getting over the initial shock and disgust, I realized how
lucky I was
> >to have listened to the little voice that told me to pick another
line. I
> >laughed all the way home.
> >
> I can almost beat this story....when I was about 8 years old I picked
> up a nasty sliver in the side of my right thumb, of course it became
> badly infected and I knew how much it would hurt when Mom found out
> and tried to squeeze it out so I hid it from her. I was successful
for
> a few days and this thumb got really really nasty.
>
> So, we go grocery shopping after dinner one evening, we get in the
> checkout line, I move ahead of her to start putting the grocerys on
> the conveyor and as I reach for the first item she spies my grossly
> swollen thumb. Without saying a word she grabs my hand gives the poor
> thumb a massive squeeze, huge gobs of yellow pus all over the
conveyor
> and the poor ******* in front of us. All I remeber after that was the
> pain.
>
> Jim



Good God. Why would she squeeze it in the STORE? Nothing like a good
infection on top of an infection. Yikes!

-L.

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:12:35 -0600, Damsel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>There's a store in town that offers sanitary wipes at the door, for people
>>who don't want to pick up crud from previous users, and to put on the
>>handle if they've got kids who put everything in their mouths. I think
>>that's a nice touch.
>
>
> Gelson's in SoCal does this. There's a stand with a container
> advertising "sanitary wipes." I am such an idiot that it wasn't until
> I read your post that I realized why they were there. Doh!
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
> AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA
>

When grocery carts get dirty enough so you notice, ask the manager
when they are due to be cleaned again. There are companies that
come around, take the carts into the parking lot, and steam clean
them. IMO once or twice a year isn't nearly enough.

gloria p

"ravinwulf" > wrote in message
news
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:51:26 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> > wrote:
>
>>"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:12:35 -0600, Damsel >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>There's a store in town that offers sanitary wipes at the door, for
>>>>people
>>>>who don't want to pick up crud from previous users, and to put on the
>>>>handle if they've got kids who put everything in their mouths. I think
>>>>that's a nice touch.
>>>
>>> Gelson's in SoCal does this. There's a stand with a container
>>> advertising "sanitary wipes." I am such an idiot that it wasn't until
>>> I read your post that I realized why they were there. Doh!
>>>
>>
>>This has to be the height of silly obsessive fussiness. First of all, it
>>is
>>generally agreed that having children exposed to a normal range of germs
>>and
>>viruses is good for them, helps to build their immune systems. Second of
>>all, no matter how many things you wipe and disinfect you will at best get
>>rid of a very small percentage of what you are exposed to. Finally, GET A
>>LIFE, do you really not have anything better to do than obsessing over
>>germs?
>
> How many times have you picked up a package of meat or poultry at the
> store that has been sticky on the bottom from blood and other fluids?
> Did you push your cart away after handling it? The germs that are on
> supermarket shopping cart handles almost certainly go beyond
> run-of-the-mill cold germs and whatnot to include things like
> salmonella. I don't see anything fussy about wanting to limit exposure
> to that sort of thing.
>

AARRGGHH!! The cooties are going to get you! Those same people pick up items
from the shelves and put them back - are you going to disinfect every item
you buy? How about the pen they give you to sign your receipt at the
register. AARRGGHH, cooties! Ot the cash in your wallet - who knows what
filthy people have handled that? And when you give your credit card to
someone at the store - god only knows which fatal lethal germs they have on
their hands. BOIL THE CREDIT CARD! And when you travel by air, who knows
what plague-infested poeple handle your luggage, so you should certainly
irradiate the suitcase handles before you touch them. Shake hands with
someone? God forbid - it might kill you! Push an elevator button - call the
morgue!

I hope you get my point. The world is full of germs and once in a while they
make you sick. Fussing about shopping cart handles makes no difference and
wastes your time and energy. If you want to waste it that is your business,
but do not be surprised when more knowledgeable people find it silly.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:40:59 GMT, "Peter Aitken" >
wrote:

>I hope you get my point. The world is full of germs and once in a while they
>make you sick. Fussing about shopping cart handles makes no difference and
>wastes your time and energy. If you want to waste it that is your business,
>but do not be surprised when more knowledgeable people find it silly.

I think the wipes are more for people with very small children in the
carts. It's very common for little ones to put anything and everything
into their mouths. Including the handles of carts. I don't think that the
original purpose of the wipes was for adult people with germ issues.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

In article > ,
says...
> "ravinwulf" > wrote in message
> news
> > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:51:26 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:12:35 -0600, Damsel >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>There's a store in town that offers sanitary wipes at the door, for
> >>>>people
> >>>>who don't want to pick up crud from previous users, and to put on the
> >>>>handle if they've got kids who put everything in their mouths. I think
> >>>>that's a nice touch.
> >>>
> >>> Gelson's in SoCal does this. There's a stand with a container
> >>> advertising "sanitary wipes." I am such an idiot that it wasn't until
> >>> I read your post that I realized why they were there. Doh!
> >>>
> >>
> >>This has to be the height of silly obsessive fussiness. First of all, it
> >>is
> >>generally agreed that having children exposed to a normal range of germs
> >>and
> >>viruses is good for them, helps to build their immune systems. Second of
> >>all, no matter how many things you wipe and disinfect you will at best get
> >>rid of a very small percentage of what you are exposed to. Finally, GET A
> >>LIFE, do you really not have anything better to do than obsessing over
> >>germs?
> >
> > How many times have you picked up a package of meat or poultry at the
> > store that has been sticky on the bottom from blood and other fluids?
> > Did you push your cart away after handling it? The germs that are on
> > supermarket shopping cart handles almost certainly go beyond
> > run-of-the-mill cold germs and whatnot to include things like
> > salmonella. I don't see anything fussy about wanting to limit exposure
> > to that sort of thing.
> >
>
> AARRGGHH!! The cooties are going to get you! Those same people pick up items
> from the shelves and put them back - are you going to disinfect every item
> you buy? How about the pen they give you to sign your receipt at the
> register. AARRGGHH, cooties! Ot the cash in your wallet - who knows what
> filthy people have handled that? And when you give your credit card to
> someone at the store - god only knows which fatal lethal germs they have on
> their hands. BOIL THE CREDIT CARD! And when you travel by air, who knows
> what plague-infested poeple handle your luggage, so you should certainly
> irradiate the suitcase handles before you touch them. Shake hands with
> someone? God forbid - it might kill you! Push an elevator button - call the
> morgue!

Not to mention that you're in a sealed metal can when flying. Air
interchange isn't exactly high on the list of keeping a cabin
pressurized. A good chunk of the air is just re-circulated with small
amounts of fresh air added in occasionally.

That means that any viruses or germs floating around on one person will
more than likely be transmitted to others on the flight who have no
immunity to that particular bug.

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:40:59 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> wrote:

>"ravinwulf" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:51:26 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:12:35 -0600, Damsel >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>There's a store in town that offers sanitary wipes at the door, for
>>>>>people
>>>>>who don't want to pick up crud from previous users, and to put on the
>>>>>handle if they've got kids who put everything in their mouths. I think
>>>>>that's a nice touch.
>>>>
>>>> Gelson's in SoCal does this. There's a stand with a container
>>>> advertising "sanitary wipes." I am such an idiot that it wasn't until
>>>> I read your post that I realized why they were there. Doh!
>>>>
>>>
>>>This has to be the height of silly obsessive fussiness. First of all, it
>>>is
>>>generally agreed that having children exposed to a normal range of germs
>>>and
>>>viruses is good for them, helps to build their immune systems. Second of
>>>all, no matter how many things you wipe and disinfect you will at best get
>>>rid of a very small percentage of what you are exposed to. Finally, GET A
>>>LIFE, do you really not have anything better to do than obsessing over
>>>germs?
>>
>> How many times have you picked up a package of meat or poultry at the
>> store that has been sticky on the bottom from blood and other fluids?
>> Did you push your cart away after handling it? The germs that are on
>> supermarket shopping cart handles almost certainly go beyond
>> run-of-the-mill cold germs and whatnot to include things like
>> salmonella. I don't see anything fussy about wanting to limit exposure
>> to that sort of thing.
>>
>
>AARRGGHH!! The cooties are going to get you! Those same people pick up items
>from the shelves and put them back - are you going to disinfect every item
>you buy? How about the pen they give you to sign your receipt at the
>register. AARRGGHH, cooties! Ot the cash in your wallet - who knows what
>filthy people have handled that? And when you give your credit card to
>someone at the store - god only knows which fatal lethal germs they have on
>their hands. BOIL THE CREDIT CARD! And when you travel by air, who knows
>what plague-infested poeple handle your luggage, so you should certainly
>irradiate the suitcase handles before you touch them. Shake hands with
>someone? God forbid - it might kill you! Push an elevator button - call the
>morgue!
>
>I hope you get my point. The world is full of germs and once in a while they
>make you sick. Fussing about shopping cart handles makes no difference and
>wastes your time and energy. If you want to waste it that is your business,
>but do not be surprised when more knowledgeable people find it silly.

Don't be a jackass. Some people would prefer that their kids not stick
what is roughly the equivalent of raw poultry in their mouths, which
is perfectly reasonable IMO. It hardly hurts you if someone chooses to
wipe down a cart handle before they put it in front of their kid. And
I doubt anyone gives a shit if you think they're silly for doing it.

Regards,
Tracy R.

ravinwulf > wrote to Peter
"I'm-an-Complete-Ass-of-Extraordinary-Proportions" Aitken in message
...
> >AARRGGHH!! The cooties are going to get you!
[snip the rest of Petie's petulant pewling]
> Don't be a jackass.
[snip]

That hasn't stopped Petie from posting yet. I see no logical reason why
his MO should change in the future. He's always been an braying ass; he
always will be an braying ass.

The Ranger
--
I can't wait 'til I'm a teenager! Then you won't be able to order me
around!"
Alpha Ranger, 1234:55, 11/30/02

Peter Aitken wrote:
> AARRGGHH!! The cooties are going to get you!

Um, yes they are - cooties are responsible for 100% of communicable
diseases in humans.

>Those same people pick up items
> from the shelves and put them back - are you going to disinfect every
item
> you buy?

Nope, but I pick items that appear not to have been opened or tampered
with.

>How about the pen they give you to sign your receipt at the
> register.

Use my own pen.

>AARRGGHH, cooties! Ot the cash in your wallet - who knows what
> filthy people have handled that?

We get rid of filthy bills ASAP and request new ones from the bank when
we withdrawl cash.

>And when you give your credit card to
> someone at the store - god only knows which fatal lethal germs they
have on
> their hands. BOIL THE CREDIT CARD!

Don't use credit cards.

> And when you travel by air, who knows
> what plague-infested poeple handle your luggage, so you should
certainly
> irradiate the suitcase handles before you touch them.

Nope, a simple sanitary wipe does the trick.

>Shake hands with
> someone? God forbid - it might kill you!

Avoid it at all costs.

>Push an elevator button - call the
> morgue!

Let someone else do it for us.

>
> I hope you get my point. The world is full of germs and once in a
while they
> make you sick.

Once in a while, they make people die, too.

>Fussing about shopping cart handles makes no difference and
> wastes your time and energy.

Maybe your's but not mine. Shopping cart handles are probably one of
the biggest sources of third-party transmission of disease/sickness
that one could encounter in society. You have:

Saliva, snot and other secretia from children and adults.
Feces and urine from those who do not know how to wash their hands
after toileting.
Possibly blood and/or pus from humans.
Blood and feces from meat animals.
Manure from mushrooms and organic produce.
Pesticide residues from produce.
Avian feces from the carts being left outside.
The list goes on and on...


> If you want to waste it that is your business,
> but do not be surprised when more knowledgeable people find it silly.

I was a molecular biologist for years and have extensive training in
microbiology including but not limited to invertebrate zoology, soil
microbiology and endemic micro. Limiting one's exposure is not only
wise, it could be the difference between life or death. I'll take my
exposure in ways I can't control, TYVM. But for things I *can* do
something about, I do.

-L.

"-L." > wrote in message



>
> I was a molecular biologist for years and have extensive training in
> microbiology including but not limited to invertebrate zoology, soil
> microbiology and endemic micro.

That explains a lot.

> Limiting one's exposure is not only
> wise, it could be the difference between life or death. I'll take my
> exposure in ways I can't control, TYVM. But for things I *can* do
> something about, I do.

I'll tell my aunt who recently turned 102 to avoid them damned carts.

Damsel > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:40:59 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> > wrote:
>
>>I hope you get my point. The world is full of germs and once in a
>>while they make you sick. Fussing about shopping cart handles makes no
>>difference and wastes your time and energy. If you want to waste it
>>that is your business, but do not be surprised when more knowledgeable
>>people find it silly.
>
> I think the wipes are more for people with very small children in the
> carts. It's very common for little ones to put anything and
> everything into their mouths. Including the handles of carts. I
> don't think that the original purpose of the wipes was for adult
> people with germ issues.
>
> Carol

I carry a little packet of wipes in my bag, which have come in handy at
the supermarket. Wish ours supplied them. I'm not worried about the germs
though. They're for those times when you pick up a jar or bottle of
something and find that it's leaking, or another container has leaked on
it. I hate having to finish the shopping with sticky fingers. Outside the
supermarket, they're handy for times when your hands get grotty and
you're nowhere near a tap.

Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

"-L." > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Peter Aitken wrote:
>> AARRGGHH!! The cooties are going to get you!
>
> Um, yes they are - cooties are responsible for 100% of communicable
> diseases in humans.
>
>>Those same people pick up items
>> from the shelves and put them back - are you going to disinfect every
> item
>> you buy?
>
> Nope, but I pick items that appear not to have been opened or tampered
> with.
>
>>How about the pen they give you to sign your receipt at the
>> register.
>
> Use my own pen.
>
>>AARRGGHH, cooties! Ot the cash in your wallet - who knows what
>> filthy people have handled that?
>
> We get rid of filthy bills ASAP and request new ones from the bank when
> we withdrawl cash.
>
>>And when you give your credit card to
>> someone at the store - god only knows which fatal lethal germs they
> have on
>> their hands. BOIL THE CREDIT CARD!
>
> Don't use credit cards.
>
>> And when you travel by air, who knows
>> what plague-infested poeple handle your luggage, so you should
> certainly
>> irradiate the suitcase handles before you touch them.
>
> Nope, a simple sanitary wipe does the trick.
>
>>Shake hands with
>> someone? God forbid - it might kill you!
>
> Avoid it at all costs.
>
>>Push an elevator button - call the
>> morgue!
>
> Let someone else do it for us.
>
>>
>> I hope you get my point. The world is full of germs and once in a
> while they
>> make you sick.
>
> Once in a while, they make people die, too.
>
>>Fussing about shopping cart handles makes no difference and
>> wastes your time and energy.
>
> Maybe your's but not mine. Shopping cart handles are probably one of
> the biggest sources of third-party transmission of disease/sickness
> that one could encounter in society. You have:
>
> Saliva, snot and other secretia from children and adults.
> Feces and urine from those who do not know how to wash their hands
> after toileting.
> Possibly blood and/or pus from humans.
> Blood and feces from meat animals.
> Manure from mushrooms and organic produce.
> Pesticide residues from produce.
> Avian feces from the carts being left outside.
> The list goes on and on...
>

Wow, the fact that you even came up with this list is a good indicator of
how obsessive you are. You really are worried about cooties!

>> If you want to waste it that is your business,
>> but do not be surprised when more knowledgeable people find it silly.
>
> I was a molecular biologist for years and have extensive training in
> microbiology including but not limited to invertebrate zoology, soil
> microbiology and endemic micro.

Whoop de do. Sounds the same as the classic case of a medical student
worrying about every disease he learns about. Well, it's your time.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

In article >,
says...
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:40:59 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> > wrote:
>
> >"ravinwulf" > wrote in message
> >news
> >> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:51:26 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:12:35 -0600, Damsel >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>There's a store in town that offers sanitary wipes at the door, for
> >>>>>people
> >>>>>who don't want to pick up crud from previous users, and to put on the
> >>>>>handle if they've got kids who put everything in their mouths. I think
> >>>>>that's a nice touch.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gelson's in SoCal does this. There's a stand with a container
> >>>> advertising "sanitary wipes." I am such an idiot that it wasn't until
> >>>> I read your post that I realized why they were there. Doh!
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>This has to be the height of silly obsessive fussiness. First of all, it
> >>>is
> >>>generally agreed that having children exposed to a normal range of germs
> >>>and
> >>>viruses is good for them, helps to build their immune systems. Second of
> >>>all, no matter how many things you wipe and disinfect you will at best get
> >>>rid of a very small percentage of what you are exposed to. Finally, GET A
> >>>LIFE, do you really not have anything better to do than obsessing over
> >>>germs?
> >>
> >> How many times have you picked up a package of meat or poultry at the
> >> store that has been sticky on the bottom from blood and other fluids?
> >> Did you push your cart away after handling it? The germs that are on
> >> supermarket shopping cart handles almost certainly go beyond
> >> run-of-the-mill cold germs and whatnot to include things like
> >> salmonella. I don't see anything fussy about wanting to limit exposure
> >> to that sort of thing.
> >>
> >
> >AARRGGHH!! The cooties are going to get you! Those same people pick up items
> >from the shelves and put them back - are you going to disinfect every item
> >you buy? How about the pen they give you to sign your receipt at the
> >register. AARRGGHH, cooties! Ot the cash in your wallet - who knows what
> >filthy people have handled that? And when you give your credit card to
> >someone at the store - god only knows which fatal lethal germs they have on
> >their hands. BOIL THE CREDIT CARD! And when you travel by air, who knows
> >what plague-infested poeple handle your luggage, so you should certainly
> >irradiate the suitcase handles before you touch them. Shake hands with
> >someone? God forbid - it might kill you! Push an elevator button - call the
> >morgue!
> >
> >I hope you get my point. The world is full of germs and once in a while they
> >make you sick. Fussing about shopping cart handles makes no difference and
> >wastes your time and energy. If you want to waste it that is your business,
> >but do not be surprised when more knowledgeable people find it silly.
>
> Don't be a jackass. Some people would prefer that their kids not stick
> what is roughly the equivalent of raw poultry in their mouths, which
> is perfectly reasonable IMO. It hardly hurts you if someone chooses to
> wipe down a cart handle before they put it in front of their kid. And
> I doubt anyone gives a shit if you think they're silly for doing it.

There are certain things we can have reasonable control over and certain
things we can't. If all of us were brought up in a sterile world we'd
have no immunity whatsoever to most of the bugs out there.

While it might not hurt in the short term to wipe that cart handle there
may be a long term impact in terms of immunity.

Tony P. at wrote on 1/22/05 4:12 PM:

> In article >,
> says...
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:40:59 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> "ravinwulf" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:51:26 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:12:35 -0600, Damsel >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a store in town that offers sanitary wipes at the door, for
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> who don't want to pick up crud from previous users, and to put on the
>>>>>>> handle if they've got kids who put everything in their mouths. I think
>>>>>>> that's a nice touch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gelson's in SoCal does this. There's a stand with a container
>>>>>> advertising "sanitary wipes." I am such an idiot that it wasn't until
>>>>>> I read your post that I realized why they were there. Doh!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This has to be the height of silly obsessive fussiness. First of all, it
>>>>> is
>>>>> generally agreed that having children exposed to a normal range of germs
>>>>> and
>>>>> viruses is good for them, helps to build their immune systems. Second of
>>>>> all, no matter how many things you wipe and disinfect you will at best get
>>>>> rid of a very small percentage of what you are exposed to. Finally, GET A
>>>>> LIFE, do you really not have anything better to do than obsessing over
>>>>> germs?
>>>>
>>>> How many times have you picked up a package of meat or poultry at the
>>>> store that has been sticky on the bottom from blood and other fluids?
>>>> Did you push your cart away after handling it? The germs that are on
>>>> supermarket shopping cart handles almost certainly go beyond
>>>> run-of-the-mill cold germs and whatnot to include things like
>>>> salmonella. I don't see anything fussy about wanting to limit exposure
>>>> to that sort of thing.

So wash your hands when you get home from the market and if you stop
someplace to eat on the way home, make sure you wash up before eating.
Getting salmonella on your hands isn't what's gonna get you sick (unless you
have an open wound there), but ingesting it will.

That's why the most important thing you can do for your health is wash your
hands frequently during the day.

>>> AARRGGHH!! The cooties are going to get you! Those same people pick up items
>>> from the shelves and put them back - are you going to disinfect every item
>>> you buy? How about the pen they give you to sign your receipt at the
>>> register. AARRGGHH, cooties! Ot the cash in your wallet - who knows what
>>> filthy people have handled that? And when you give your credit card to
>>> someone at the store - god only knows which fatal lethal germs they have on
>>> their hands. BOIL THE CREDIT CARD! And when you travel by air, who knows
>>> what plague-infested poeple handle your luggage, so you should certainly
>>> irradiate the suitcase handles before you touch them. Shake hands with
>>> someone? God forbid - it might kill you! Push an elevator button - call the
>>> morgue!
>>>
>>> I hope you get my point. The world is full of germs and once in a while they
>>> make you sick. Fussing about shopping cart handles makes no difference and
>>> wastes your time and energy. If you want to waste it that is your business,
>>> but do not be surprised when more knowledgeable people find it silly.
>>
>> Don't be a jackass. Some people would prefer that their kids not stick
>> what is roughly the equivalent of raw poultry in their mouths, which
>> is perfectly reasonable IMO. It hardly hurts you if someone chooses to
>> wipe down a cart handle before they put it in front of their kid. And
>> I doubt anyone gives a shit if you think they're silly for doing it.

No, but they need to teach their kids to wash their hands before eating.

>
> There are certain things we can have reasonable control over and certain
> things we can't. If all of us were brought up in a sterile world we'd
> have no immunity whatsoever to most of the bugs out there.
>
> While it might not hurt in the short term to wipe that cart handle there
> may be a long term impact in terms of immunity.
>
Absolutely!
Bottom line is, wash your hands frequently during the day with ordinary soap
and hot water and unless you have a suppressed immune system, you should be
fine.

Sheryl Rosen > wrote in
:

>>>
>>>> "ravinwulf" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>
>>> Don't be a jackass. Some people would prefer that their kids not
>>> stick what is roughly the equivalent of raw poultry in their mouths,
>>> which is perfectly reasonable IMO. It hardly hurts you if someone
>>> chooses to wipe down a cart handle before they put it in front of
>>> their kid. And I doubt anyone gives a shit if you think they're
>>> silly for doing it.
>
> No, but they need to teach their kids to wash their hands before
> eating.

I think this reference was more to very small children (who would be
placed in the child seat of the shopping trolley) who generally have a
habit of sticking their fingers and anything else they can find in their
hands, or of putting their mouths on to things (including shopping
trolley handles)rather than to older children who might be eating after
having touched the handle, and can be taught to wash their hands.

Not having a small child to sit in the child seat, it's not something
that ever occurred to me before this discussion, but I can see that some
people might be concerned about what's on the handle if their kids are
going to be sucking on it <g>.

Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

In article >,
says...
> I carry a little packet of wipes in my bag, which have come in handy at
> the supermarket. Wish ours supplied them. I'm not worried about the germs
> though. They're for those times when you pick up a jar or bottle of
> something and find that it's leaking, or another container has leaked on
> it. I hate having to finish the shopping with sticky fingers. Outside the
> supermarket, they're handy for times when your hands get grotty and
> you're nowhere near a tap.
>
> Rhonda Anderson
> Cranebrook, NSW, Australia
>

At our market here they're not used for germ control; they are used when
returning pop bottles back to the store which is a messy, sticky job.
It's nice to be able to grab a wipe & clean up somewhat.

ravinwulf wrote:
> Don't be a jackass. Some people would prefer that their kids not
stick
> what is roughly the equivalent of raw poultry in their mouths, which
> is perfectly reasonable IMO. It hardly hurts you if someone chooses
to
> wipe down a cart handle before they put it in front of their kid. And
> I doubt anyone gives a shit if you think they're silly for doing it.
>
> Regards,
> Tracy R.

Hey, I say let them suck Salmonella and God-knows-what off the shopping
cart, their hands, or the pastry they buy in the bakery section, if
they don't think it's a big deal. I just consider it natural
selection.

-L.

Rhonda Anderson wrote:
> I think this reference was more to very small children (who would be
> placed in the child seat of the shopping trolley) who generally have
a
> habit of sticking their fingers and anything else they can find in
their
> hands, or of putting their mouths on to things (including shopping
> trolley handles)rather than to older children who might be eating
after
> having touched the handle, and can be taught to wash their hands.
>
> Not having a small child to sit in the child seat, it's not something

> that ever occurred to me before this discussion, but I can see that
some
> people might be concerned about what's on the handle if their kids
are
> going to be sucking on it <g>.
>
> Rhonda Anderson
> Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Not inconceivable that an adult could pick up Salmonella or some other
nasty from raw blood or muck on the cart handle, as well. All it takes
it picking your teeth or sticking your finger in your mouth, or some
such thing.

-L.