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I decided to make what I like.. so I stopped by the store on the way home,
and was all ready to make my first entire meal sans cookbook. It was just for hubby and me, the kids ate before I got home. (lucky kids).. I intended to make: -boneless skinless chicken breasts sauteed in olive oil, garlic and those little sweet onions (not green onions and not pearl onions.. i forget the name) -fresh baby spinach leaves, sauteed in olive oil with black pepper (again, this isn't intended to be gourmet, it is just what my tastebuds like) -steamed cauliflower florets with diced red pepper -steamed asparagus with butter and lemon juice What I actually made, however, was: -boneless skinless chicken breasts that were raw (yes, raw!) in the middle, with burned garlic, and little onions. I put plenty of olive oil in the pan, and yet when I lifted them to turn them over.. I ripped some of the flesh off, as it stuck to the pan. haha -spinach leaves, but only one serving. Who knew it would shrink so much? I am tempted to email the FDA and ask them to require manufacturers to put on the package: WARNING: Shrinkage does occur, and all the viagra in the world isn't going to correct this. -cauliflower florets and stalk, with diced, mushy red pepper. By the time I cut off all the black spots, there wasn't much left of the cauliflower, so I added chopped up stalk. -steamed asparagus with butter and lemon juice, that actually turned out great! <gasp> So.. hubby and I fought over the spinach and asparagus, then flipped a coin for pizza or chinese. I won.. so it was chinese. Ok, so bring on all the shame as well as the tips! lucy ![]() |
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Lucy wrote:
> > So.. hubby and I fought over the spinach and asparagus, then flipped a coin > for pizza or chinese. I won.. so it was chinese. > > Ok, so bring on all the shame as well as the tips! > lucy ![]() > Tips? 1. Stove burners have other settings besides HIGH. (Emeril preaches that all the time.) 2. You need an instant-read thermometer for things like the chicken if you can't judge it on your own. As a minimum cut into one of the pieces to check for doneness. Tip: If you cook them on high heat the outside will burn before the center cooks. 3. You can't cook sauteed things without standing over the stove WATCHING CAREFULLY. Walking away is for stew, chili, pot roast, and spaghetti sauce--things with lots of liquid that cook on simmer. 4. Different foods take different cooking times. Cauliflower is tough and dense and takeds a while. Red pepper is thinner and cooks quicker. Either cook them separately and combine at the last minute or add the pepper when the cauliflower is almost done. Better luck next time. Keep trying. No one is born a cook. gloria p |
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Lucy wrote:
> -boneless skinless chicken breasts that were raw (yes, raw!) in the > middle, with burned garlic, and little onions. I put plenty of olive oil > in the pan, and yet when I lifted them to turn them over.. I ripped some > of the flesh off, as it stuck to the pan. haha Coupla things to address he 1. In a sauté, garlic should be added near the end. It doesn't need to cook long, and if it *does* cook at high (or medium-high) heat for any length of time, it will turn bitter. 2. I'm assuming you weren't using a nonstick pan. If I'm going to cook chicken breasts and NOT make a pan sauce, then nonstick is the safer option. Still, a "normal" pan would work, but you should follow these guidelines: a. Make sure the oil is hot before you put the chicken in the pan. If possible, brine the chicken and bring it close to room temperature before cooking. b. Don't make the pan too hot: If you cook at medium-high heat, the chicken will release itself from the pan when it's done. (This is also true of fish, and is true not only in pan-frying but in grilling.) c. Once you've put the chicken into the pan, LEAVE IT ALONE while it cooks. As mentioned in item "b" above, it will release once it's done cooking on that side. If it *is* sticking, it's probably not ready to turn yet. > -spinach leaves, but only one serving. Who knew it would shrink so much? I > am tempted to email the FDA and ask them to require manufacturers to put > on the package: WARNING: Shrinkage does occur, and all the viagra in the > world isn't going to correct this. Not just spinach, either: Although spinach has some of the most dramatic shrinkage, most leafy greens will shrink significantly. A recent poster discussed making country-style ribs with cabbage, and in the course of the conversation mentioned that it had cooked down quite a bit. > -cauliflower florets and stalk, with diced, mushy red pepper. By the time > I cut off all the black spots, there wasn't much left of the cauliflower, > so I added chopped up stalk. Shop carefully! My little town has a farmer's market in the summer months, and this last summer, one of the vendors was selling BEAUTIFUL cauliflowers. But I've also gotten an occasional speckled one from the supermarket. The key is examining the cauliflower as thoroughly as possible before buying it, and using it promptly after getting it home. More importantly, though, don't have your heart completely set on making ANY particular item, and don't buy substandard produce, e.g., if none of the cauliflowers look good, then don't settle for the best-looking one of the sorry-looking bunch; DON'T BUY CAULIFLOWER! Get something that *does* look good, and figure out how to make it taste good and fit in with the other stuff you're making for dinner. Thinking about the red pepper garnish, I have a few suggestions which really just reflect my personal tastes: 1. Cauliflower is pretty bland on its own, and in my opinion it needs something LIVELY to make it interesting. While chopped steamed red peppers would LOOK good, the flavor would still be pretty muted. But if you'd made a cheese sauce for the cauliflower, then jarred chopped pickled pimientos would have been really good and pretty on top of the cauliflower: The unctuous cheese, the mildly crunchy cauliflower, and the lightly acidic pimientos would work well together. (When I woke up this afternoon, I had no idea I was going to use the word "unctuous" today.) 2. Similarly, you could try to pick up the taste of the cauliflower by adding herbs or spices. Curry powder works well with cauliflower; so do savory, thyme, coriander, and cardamom. I've got a lemon-garlic salt blend that works well with cauliflower too. And Penzey's makes several blends which would be excellent on cauliflower. (see www.penzeys.com. "Salad Elegant Seasoning" would probably be great, as would "Brady Street Cheese Sprinkle".) Don't be discouraged; this has been a GREAT learning experience: Just LOOK at all the tips you got from this one post! Bob |
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:49:09 GMT, "Lucy" > wrote:
>I decided to make what I like.. so I stopped by the store on the way home, >and was all ready to make my first entire meal sans cookbook. It was just >for hubby and me, the kids ate before I got home. (lucky kids).. I intended >to make: > >-boneless skinless chicken breasts sauteed in olive oil, garlic and those >little sweet onions (not green onions and not pearl onions.. i forget the >name) >-fresh baby spinach leaves, sauteed in olive oil with black pepper (again, >this isn't intended to be gourmet, it is just what my tastebuds like) >-steamed cauliflower florets with diced red pepper >-steamed asparagus with butter and lemon juice > >What I actually made, however, was: > >-boneless skinless chicken breasts that were raw (yes, raw!) in the middle, >with burned garlic, and little onions. I put plenty of olive oil in the pan, >and yet when I lifted them to turn them over.. I ripped some of the flesh >off, as it stuck to the pan. haha >-spinach leaves, but only one serving. Who knew it would shrink so much? I >am tempted to email the FDA and ask them to require manufacturers to put on >the package: WARNING: Shrinkage does occur, and all the viagra in the world >isn't going to correct this. >-cauliflower florets and stalk, with diced, mushy red pepper. By the time I >cut off all the black spots, there wasn't much left of the cauliflower, so I >added chopped up stalk. >-steamed asparagus with butter and lemon juice, that actually turned out >great! <gasp> > >So.. hubby and I fought over the spinach and asparagus, then flipped a coin >for pizza or chinese. I won.. so it was chinese. > >Ok, so bring on all the shame as well as the tips! >lucy ![]() > No shame. Nobody in this world was born knowing how to cook. Look at what you learned: 1. Spinach cooks down. A lot. Your idea of sweating it in olive oil was very good, by the way. You might try some garlic in it next time. 2. High heat scorches the tarnation out of stuff. It's good for thin things like pounded out boneless chicken breasts and the like. It's good for thicker things you want rare in the center like steaks. It's good for getting color on the outside of thicker items like your unpounded chicken, but for cooking them through you'll need to cook at a lower temp. Maybe you could sear them on the stove top for flavor (caramelize the outside, as they say) and finish them in the oven. 3. Somebody else suggested getting a meat thermometer. That's a really good idea. You can find out by the temperature how done or raw (or rare) your meat is. There are tables of recommended internal temperatures out there for all common kinds of meat and all degrees of doneness. 4. Garlic burns and tastes really bad when it does. Cook it less and at a lower temperature. By the way, I've taken to zapping minced garlic in olive oil in the microwave oven for several 30-second bursts. It'll begin to simmer, cool down, and simmer again in the oil. Makes a really good infusion of flavor in the oil sorta like what's called a mojo de ajo in Mexican cooking, but easier. Allowed to cool to room temperature and mixed with some lemon juice and a spoon full or so of mayo, the micro-mojo makes a decent sauce for chicken. 5. Watch what you buy at the market. Those guys want to sell everything, even stuff that would more properly be compost. modom "Dallas is a rich man with a death wish in his eyes." -- Jimmie Dale Gilmore |
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Lucy wrote:
> -boneless skinless chicken breasts that were raw (yes, raw!) in the middle, (clipped cooking lesson) Been there, done that. Y'know when I grill chicken I like to take my patented meat tenderizer flat hammer dealy and pound my chicken breast flatter so it's a little closer to all the same thickness. If you think about it next time, you might try marinating that chicken first in a brine solution with a splash of tequila, a squirt of lime, a sprinkle of chili powder of your choice. I hope you sliced up that chicken and threw it back in the pot to finish cooking? Can always cover it with ketchup. I'd cook spinach, but Ol'Whiskerface won't eat it cooked. Thinking about what stuff is made of and how quick to cook it, the order to combine it, etc. is worth thinking about. Took me years to figger that out. Edrena |
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![]() "Puester" > wrote in message news ![]() > 2. You need an instant-read thermometer for things like the chicken > if you can't judge it on your own. As a minimum cut into one of the > pieces to check for doneness. Tip: If you cook them on high heat the > outside will burn before the center cooks. Let me heartily second this. A good instant-read, digital thermometer, preferably of the type which has the probe on the end of a long cord and is intended to have the probe left IN the meat while it is cooking, either on your grill, in your overn, wherever, will do more for your cooking with meat than just about any other single item. Chicken and pork will suddenly come out juicy and full of flavor, rather than mummified in the interest of "cooking thoroughly". You will actually be able to produce a steak that is truly rare or medium-rare, as opposed to everything coming off the grill at best medium-well if not well-to-the-point-of-crunchy. Some thermometers even have built-in indicators (of the sort which basically say, "if this is beef, it's medium NOW!"), but that's not necessary if you can find (and any good cookbook with a "meats" section should have this) a table of temps vs. "doneness" for various types and cuts. An alarm (a buzzer or some such which is set to go off when the desired temp is reached) can also be helpful. Just remember that the probe needs to go into the "body" of the meat - i.e., stick it in so that the tip is roughly in the middle of a steak, in the meatiest part of the turkey breast, etc. - not just barely under the skin. (Unless you LIKE a lot of blood pouring out of your meat when you serve it, of course...:-)), and remember the earlier advice re letting pretty much any sort of meat "rest" for a bit, after removal from the heat and before serving. (Leaving the probe in during that process is educational, as well - you'll see that the "core temp" of the meat will generally continue to climb a bit AFTER you remove it from the heat, and that no, leaving the meat to rest a few minutes does NOT mean it will instantly go to room temperature before you serve it!) Bob M. |
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![]() Lucy wrote: > > I decided to make what I like.. so I stopped by the store on the way home, > and was all ready to make my first entire meal sans cookbook. It was just > for hubby and me, the kids ate before I got home. (lucky kids).. I intended > to make: > > -boneless skinless chicken breasts sauteed in olive oil, garlic and those > little sweet onions (not green onions and not pearl onions.. i forget the > name) > -fresh baby spinach leaves, sauteed in olive oil with black pepper (again, > this isn't intended to be gourmet, it is just what my tastebuds like) > -steamed cauliflower florets with diced red pepper > -steamed asparagus with butter and lemon juice > > What I actually made, however, was: > > -boneless skinless chicken breasts that were raw (yes, raw!) in the middle, > with burned garlic, and little onions. I put plenty of olive oil in the pan, > and yet when I lifted them to turn them over.. I ripped some of the flesh > off, as it stuck to the pan. haha Flattening the chicken breasts (put them between two sheets of plastic or waxed paper and pounding) would have ensured they were cooked through. Saute the garlic and onions first then remove them from the pan while the chicken browns. Then put back the garlic and onions; they don't burn that way. The oil may not have been hot enough when the chicken was put in or you may have tried to turn it too soon. Let it get brown on one side before turning it. Just takes practise! > -spinach leaves, but only one serving. Who knew it would shrink so much? I > am tempted to email the FDA and ask them to require manufacturers to put on > the package: WARNING: Shrinkage does occur, and all the viagra in the world > isn't going to correct this. ROTFL! It often depends on the spinach too. One of those large bags of spinach from the warehouse places makes about two servings for me. > -cauliflower florets and stalk, with diced, mushy red pepper. By the time I > cut off all the black spots, there wasn't much left of the cauliflower, so I > added chopped up stalk. Nothing wrong with that. Again, saute the pepper first and remove it. Cook the cauliflower and add back the pepper at the end. But avoid buying cauliflower with black spots on it if you can. > -steamed asparagus with butter and lemon juice, that actually turned out > great! <gasp> LOL no comment since I don't like asparagus anyway. > > So.. hubby and I fought over the spinach and asparagus, then flipped a coin > for pizza or chinese. I won.. so it was chinese. > > Ok, so bring on all the shame as well as the tips! > lucy ![]() No shame. Cooking takes practise and experience. You made a great start! |
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