Damsel wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:20:21 GMT, Don Gray > wrote:
>
>
>>I am from the UK but I read this newsgroup regularly and contribute
>>occasionally, if appropriate. However, from the first comment of Lucy I
>>suspected a sort of arrogance that is rarely encounted here. An ignorance of
>>food or cooking standards mixed with the ability to sweetie-pie (con!) people
>>into believing that 'she' was sincere.
>>
>>I began a post stating the same beliefs, but deleted it, thinking that,
>>although hoodwinked, people would eventually recognise her for what she
>>really was. I hope that she will now disappear from whence she came, without
>>pretending that her only interest in this group is 'food'.
>
>
> I've been accused of being too open, positive, and forgiving. Guilty as
> charged, but I still feel like a fool when something like this happens.
>
> Damsel, sitting in the corner in a pointy hat

Right beside ya. My hat's biiigggger, my hat's biiigggers.. ;-)

--
Steve

Ever wonder about those people who spend $2.00 apiece on those little
bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit. So,
if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
not changing newsgroup readers.
It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them, the
longer they seem to work <g>
So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
Let the poster post, and let the reader read!

lubbs!
lucy
p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to pay me
to learn all the rules and apply them with each post.
<grins>

In article > ,
"Lucy" > wrote:

> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit. So,
> if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
> anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
> not changing newsgroup readers.
> It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them, the
> longer they seem to work <g>
> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>
> lubbs!
> lucy
> p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to pay me
> to learn all the rules and apply them with each post.
> <grins>


<plonk>

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:57:04 GMT, "Lucy" > wrote:

Hi Lucy,

HERE'S WHAT YOU POSTED IN THIS THREAD:

>I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit. So,
>if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
>anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
>not changing newsgroup readers.
>It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them, the
>longer they seem to work <g>
>So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
>Let the poster post, and let the reader read!

HERE'S ANOTHER POST ON THE SAME TOPIC:

"Oh Herbie.. (may I call you that? I probably will until you request
otherwise, then I will respect your wishes)..
Not you too on the bottom posting!
I try .. but, funny thing.. as I am driving home each evening my brain
curls up and falls asleep at the base of my cranium.. and tends to stay
there, sleeping peacefully, until the next morning on the way to work.


Can you see how one post makes you sound like a bitch, and one makes you
sound like a ditzy (such as myself)? I think I like the ditzy better.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

In article > ,
Lucy > wrote:
>I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit. So,

If your objective in posting is to reach an audience, then it
behooves you to post in a fashion acceptable to the community you're
communicating with. Bottom posting is simply good netiquette.

If I said, "I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to belch,
fart loudly, and even masturbate in fancy restaurants whenever
I have the urge," then you get the flavor of your decision with
respect to-top posting in newsgroups.

When engaging in social discourse, refraining from polite behavior
throws sand into machinery that already works with difficulty at
best. It's not hard to avoid offending people... unless you're so
lazy you don't care.

And if you're going to do that, why bother posting at all?

I'll leave you with the following dialogue, which imitates what
you're suggesting:

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?

-A

"Damsel" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:57:04 GMT, "Lucy" > wrote:
>
> Hi Lucy,
>
> HERE'S WHAT YOU POSTED IN THIS THREAD:
>
>>I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit.
>>So,
>>if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
>>anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
>>not changing newsgroup readers.
>>It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them,
>>the
>>longer they seem to work <g>
>>So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
>>Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>
> HERE'S ANOTHER POST ON THE SAME TOPIC:
>
> "Oh Herbie.. (may I call you that? I probably will until you request
> otherwise, then I will respect your wishes)..
> Not you too on the bottom posting!
> I try .. but, funny thing.. as I am driving home each evening my brain
> curls up and falls asleep at the base of my cranium.. and tends to stay
> there, sleeping peacefully, until the next morning on the way to work.
>
>
> Can you see how one post makes you sound like a bitch, and one makes you
> sound like a ditzy (such as myself)? I think I like the ditzy better.
>
> Carol

Carol,
Since the only places I've been called a bitch is in newsgroups and in
chatrooms, it really doesn't bother me. The tone "heard" reveals more about
the person perceiving it, than the person who did the typing.
lucy

"Lucy" > wrote in message
. com...
> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see
fit. So,
> if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
> anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion),
and I'm
> not changing newsgroup readers.
> It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on
them, the
> longer they seem to work <g>
> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!

OK I'm not going to hate you if this is what you choose to do ...
Buts is it really that much more difficult to post below a foregoing
quoted post to which you are responding?

I used to top post also until it was explained WHY doind so makes it
unreasonably awkward and more difficult for others to follow the
discussion, especially if there are one or more other posters that
successively respond to your comment and to those that follow. This is
just a matter of etiquette and consideration for everyone else. And
maybe I missed something but I have no idea what you mean by
"downloading anything to move the cursor."

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:32:40 GMT, "Lucy" > wrote:

>Carol,
>Since the only places I've been called a bitch is in newsgroups and in
>chatrooms, it really doesn't bother me. The tone "heard" reveals more about
>the person perceiving it, than the person who did the typing.
>lucy

I just wanted to point out that you are sending out some unattractive
signals. If that doesn't bother you, no sweat. I was just trying to be
helpful.

Carol, the Unrelenting Bitch
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

Damsel wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:32:40 GMT, "Lucy" > wrote:
>
>
>>Carol,
>>Since the only places I've been called a bitch is in newsgroups and in
>>chatrooms, it really doesn't bother me. The tone "heard" reveals more about
>>the person perceiving it, than the person who did the typing.
>>lucy
>
>
> I just wanted to point out that you are sending out some unattractive
> signals. If that doesn't bother you, no sweat. I was just trying to be
> helpful.
>
> Carol, the Unrelenting Bitch

Carol, I think you hit the nail on the head here.
I sit here vacillating between judging this poster
a troll or just thoughtless/clueless? Some
definite mixed signals. But once again your
graciousness shines as you trudge on assuming the
best about her and trying to help out.
Only time will tell, huh?
Goomba

It works top or bottom, as seen here.

"Lucy" > wrote in message
. com...
> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit.
So,
> if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
> anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
> not changing newsgroup readers.
> It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them,
the
> longer they seem to work <g>
> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>
> lubbs!
> lucy
> p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to pay me
> to learn all the rules and apply them with each post.
> <grins>

It works top or bottom, as seen here.

"Lucy" > wrote in message
. com...

> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought,
> to post however I see fit. So, if you hate top
> posted remarks, don't read them!

Obviously, that's your prerogative. Of course, if you plan to get
along in a community, it behooves you to follow the community's
standards.

> I'm not downloading anything to move the
> cursor (although that was a kind suggestion),
> and I'm not changing newsgroup readers.

You don't need to do either of those things. The whole reason your --
and many -- news readers place the cursor at the top of your reply is
*not* so that you can just start typing; it's so that you will *trim*
the post you're replying to, thus saving bandwidth for those who are
on dial-up (and there are still plenty of those people in the US *and*
around the world) *and* making your post easier to read. For example,
insertions between the original text, as I'm doing, makes it more
clear what exactly I'm responding to and helps make my post
understandable even in the event of poor message propagation and/or
threading (poor propagation continues to be a problem with many news
servers).

> It has been my experience with computers
> that the less I change on them, the longer
> they seem to work <g>

For the purpose of illustration, I'm leaving the above sentence in; my
first inclination was to delete it, since I'm not going to respond to
it.

> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>
> p.s. If it means so much to any individual here,
> you are welcome to pay me to learn all the rules
> and apply them with each post.

I'd have to agree with another poster down-thread; your tone indicates
bitchiness to me as well (note I'm not calling *you* a bitch, a
distinction worth noting), and an unwillingness to learn. While I
note that you say interpretation of tone says more about the reader
.... well, I would just gently remind you that the onus of clear
communication starts with the writer, not the reader. Usenet is a
written medium, and we are therefore without the benefit of facial
expression and body language to clarify your tone.

As for the rules, there are very few for you to remember; if you
follow along with how just about everyone else here posts (well, you
could *snip* more than most people here ), you'll be fine.

A couple of sites that you will find useful:
http://www.ibiblio.org/usenet-i/usenet-help.html
http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html -- if nothing else,
read section 2: Quoting and Answering. If you follow the guidelines,
I guarantee it will make your entire Usenet experience much more
pleasant.
-j

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:09:06 -0500, Goomba38 > wrote:

>Carol, I think you hit the nail on the head here.
>I sit here vacillating between judging this poster
>a troll or just thoughtless/clueless? Some
>definite mixed signals. But once again your
>graciousness shines as you trudge on assuming the
>best about her and trying to help out.
>Only time will tell, huh?
>Goomba

Hey! Don't be calling me gracious, Goomba. It's already been determined
that I am a bitch. Do I get to be Queen Bitch, or is that title already
taken? Even Bitch in Training would be an honor. Please let me know.

Carol
--
"There's things about me you don't know, Dottie.
Things you wouldn't understand. Things you couldn't
understand. Things you shouldn't understand.... I'm
a loner, Dottie. A rebel"

*Paul Reubens* in the 1985 movie, _Pee Wee's Big Adventure_

Damsel wrote:

> Hey! Don't be calling me gracious, Goomba. It's already been determined
> that I am a bitch. Do I get to be Queen Bitch, or is that title already
> taken? Even Bitch in Training would be an honor. Please let me know.
>
> Carol

LOL, You're a bitch? I musta missed that
proclamation. Damn.. you trollops get to be the
besttttttttttt things. I'm so jealous. We
B-listers just have to keep trying harder. LOL
Goomba

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:35 -0800, "Sam D."
> scribbled some thoughts:


>maybe I missed something but I have no idea what you mean by
>"downloading anything to move the cursor."


That would be in reference to some software which can
automagically place the cursor at the bottom. I believe OE
Quote Fix can do that. But a quick: CTRL+End will take it
to the bottom.

--

Sincerely, | NOTE: Best viewed in a fixed pitch font
| (©) (©)
Andrew H. Carter | ------ooo--(_)--ooo------
d(-_-)b | /// \\\

Carol wrote:

> Hey! Don't be calling me gracious, Goomba. It's already been determined
> that I am a bitch. Do I get to be Queen Bitch, or is that title already
> taken? Even Bitch in Training would be an honor. Please let me know.

Trollops and Bitches and Queens, oh my!

Bob

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:34:25 -0500, Goomba38 > wrote:

>Damsel wrote:
>
>> Hey! Don't be calling me gracious, Goomba. It's already been determined
>> that I am a bitch. Do I get to be Queen Bitch, or is that title already
>> taken? Even Bitch in Training would be an honor. Please let me know.
>>
>> Carol
>
>LOL, You're a bitch? I musta missed that
>proclamation. Damn.. you trollops get to be the
>besttttttttttt things. I'm so jealous. We
>B-listers just have to keep trying harder. LOL
>Goomba

Who ever said that you weren't a trollop? If anyone tells you otherwise,
just send 'em to me. I'll set 'em straight.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On 28 Jan 2005 00:44:10 -0600, "Bob" > wrote:

>Carol wrote:
>
>> Hey! Don't be calling me gracious, Goomba. It's already been determined
>> that I am a bitch. Do I get to be Queen Bitch, or is that title already
>> taken? Even Bitch in Training would be an honor. Please let me know.
>
>Trollops and Bitches and Queens, oh my!
>
>Bob

If you start skipping, it's all over between us!

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

Carol wrote:

> If you start skipping, it's all over between us!

The State of California has requested that I abstain from skipping, due to
the seismic activity which results from it.

Bob

"Andrew H. Carter" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:35 -0800, "Sam D."
> > scribbled some thoughts:
>
>
>>maybe I missed something but I have no idea what you mean by
>>"downloading anything to move the cursor."
>
>
> That would be in reference to some software which can
> automagically place the cursor at the bottom. I believe OE
> Quote Fix can do that. But a quick: CTRL+End will take it
> to the bottom.

On my computer I don't have to CTRL+End; I only have to click "End."
When I'm going thru the postings, I just keep my finger on "End."
To read the top posters, of course, I don't have to click "End." But after
awhile, I do stop reading top postings, they usually are quick quips and not
to the point, and too much trouble for me.
Dee

Bob wrote:
> Carol wrote:
>
>> If you start skipping, it's all over between us!
>
> The State of California has requested that I abstain from skipping,
> due to the seismic activity which results from it.
>
> Bob


ROFL, DAMN, that was funnny, Bob. Wow, so funny I stuck an extra "n" in the
word! <g>

kili

Andrew H. Carter wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:35 -0800, "Sam D."
> > scribbled some thoughts:
>
>
>
>>maybe I missed something but I have no idea what you mean by
>>"downloading anything to move the cursor."
>
>
>
> That would be in reference to some software which can
> automagically place the cursor at the bottom. I believe OE
> Quote Fix can do that. But a quick: CTRL+End will take it
> to the bottom.
>
You don't even need to try to fix broken software. Thunderbird (free
from www.mozilla.org) knows how to do properly reply "out of the box".

Lucy wrote:
> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit. So,
> if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
> anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
> not changing newsgroup readers.
> It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them, the
> longer they seem to work <g>
> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>
> lubbs!
> lucy
> p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to pay me
> to learn all the rules and apply them with each post.
> <grins>
>
>
>
I put top posting and people who forward email where you have to wade
thru numerous headers to decipher what might have been of interest in
the same category. They are saying "my time is so much more important
than yours, so I can't waste my time trying to make something readable..."

George wrote:
> Andrew H. Carter wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:35 -0800, "Sam D."
>> > scribbled some thoughts:
>>
>>
>>
>>> maybe I missed something but I have no idea what you mean by
>>> "downloading anything to move the cursor."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That would be in reference to some software which can
>> automagically place the cursor at the bottom. I believe OE
>> Quote Fix can do that. But a quick: CTRL+End will take it
>> to the bottom.
>>
> You don't even need to try to fix broken software. Thunderbird (free
> from www.mozilla.org) knows how to do properly reply "out of the box".

More coffee needed. "It knows how to do a reply properly "out of the box".

On Fri 28 Jan 2005 06:09:49a, George wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Lucy wrote:
>> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see
>> fit. So, if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not
>> downloading anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind
>> suggestion), and I'm not changing newsgroup readers. It has been my
>> experience with computers that the less I change on them, the longer
>> they seem to work <g> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
>> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>>
>> lubbs!
>> lucy
>> p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to pay
>> me to learn all the rules and apply them with each post.
>> <grins>
>>
>>
>>
> I put top posting and people who forward email where you have to wade
> thru numerous headers to decipher what might have been of interest in
> the same category. They are saying "my time is so much more important
> than yours, so I can't waste my time trying to make something
> readable..."

You can put them wherever you want, but my time is at least as valuable as
yours.

I normally post a reply at the bottom, unless the the post I'm replying to
already has a top-posted reply, in which case I top post.

One thing I'm NOT going to do is completely re-arrange a post (because of
someone else's top-posting) just for the convenience of the next reader.

I'm not a f****** editor, not do I want to be.

As far as forwarding e-mail or usenet posts, I believe that the material
forwarded should be in exactly the same format as originally constructed,
otherwise, I'd be forwarding "my" version of it.

Wayne

On 28 Jan 2005 03:51:03 -0600, "Bob" > wrote:

>Carol wrote:
>
>> If you start skipping, it's all over between us!
>
>The State of California has requested that I abstain from skipping, due to
>the seismic activity which results from it.

I hear ya. I've emptied entire lakes just by doing the cannonball into
them. It's all very sad.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

Damsel wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:34:25 -0500, Goomba38 > wrote:
>
>
>>Damsel wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hey! Don't be calling me gracious, Goomba. It's already been determined
>>>that I am a bitch. Do I get to be Queen Bitch, or is that title already
>>>taken? Even Bitch in Training would be an honor. Please let me know.
>>>
>>>Carol
>>
>>LOL, You're a bitch? I musta missed that
>>proclamation. Damn.. you trollops get to be the
>>besttttttttttt things. I'm so jealous. We
>>B-listers just have to keep trying harder. LOL
>>Goomba
>
>
> Who ever said that you weren't a trollop? If anyone tells you otherwise,
> just send 'em to me. I'll set 'em straight.
>
> Carol

There Goomba, directly from the top!

--
Steve

Every job is a self-portrait of the person who did it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>
> As far as forwarding e-mail or usenet posts, I believe that the material
> forwarded should be in exactly the same format as originally constructed,
> otherwise, I'd be forwarding "my" version of it.
>
> Wayne

Agreed, original content should be preserved. My comment referred to
forwarding something from user to user without deleting the headers (and
often without any comment as to why the item might be interesting) When
you get it you need to scroll down 1,725 lines in order to see the content.

Andrew H. Carter wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:35 -0800, "Sam D."
> > scribbled some thoughts:
>
>
>> maybe I missed something but I have no idea what you mean by
>> "downloading anything to move the cursor."
>
>
> That would be in reference to some software which can
> automagically place the cursor at the bottom. I believe OE
> Quote Fix can do that. But a quick: CTRL+End will take it
> to the bottom.

OE Quote Fix also corrects word-wrap problems.

Jill

Lucy wrote:

> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit.
So,
> if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
> anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
> not changing newsgroup readers.
> It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them,
the
> longer they seem to work <g>
> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!


You are a sloppy lazy pee - eye - gee PIG, Lucy...I bet you bathe in a
****oir and crap in a bidet.

--
Best
Greg

In article >, "jacqui{JB}"
> wrote:

> "Lucy" > wrote in message
(snip)
> > So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
> > Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
> >
> > p.s. If it means so much to any individual here,
> > you are welcome to pay me to learn all the rules
> > and apply them with each post.
>
> I'd have to agree with another poster down-thread; your tone indicates
> bitchiness to me as well (note I'm not calling *you* a bitch, a
> distinction worth noting), and an unwillingness to learn. While I
> note that you say interpretation of tone says more about the reader
> ... well, I would just gently remind you that the onus of clear
> communication starts with the writer, not the reader. Usenet is a
> written medium, and we are therefore without the benefit of facial
> expression and body language to clarify your tone.
>
> As for the rules, there are very few for you to remember; if you
> follow along with how just about everyone else here posts (well, you
> could *snip* more than most people here ), you'll be fine.
>
> If you follow the guidelines,
> I guarantee it will make your entire Usenet experience much more
> pleasant.
> -j

Lunch and drinks are on me, Jacqui. I might even fly over for it!
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> 2005 Pirohy Marathon pics added 1-23-05.
"I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and
say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner,
performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005.

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:57:04 GMT, "Lucy" > wrote:

>I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit. So,
>if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
>anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
>not changing newsgroup readers.
>It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them, the
>longer they seem to work <g>
>So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
>Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>
>lubbs!
>lucy
>p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to pay me
>to learn all the rules and apply them with each post.
><grins>
>
>
Yes lucy you can post any way you wish.
Other can decide not to read your comments, if they wish.
Still other can kill file you for being inconsiderate, as I wish.
Plonk.

Pan Ohco



The Earth is degenerating these days. Bribery and corruption abound.
Children no longer mind their parents, every man wants to write a
Book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching.
--Assyrian stone tablet, c. 2800 B.C.

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:57:04 GMT, "Lucy" > wrote:

>I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit. So,
>if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
>anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
>not changing newsgroup readers.
>It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them, the
>longer they seem to work <g>
>So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
>Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>
>lubbs!
>lucy
>p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to pay me
>to learn all the rules and apply them with each post.
><grins>
>
Are you turning into a troll? I'd hate to see that.

It's a simple question of manners on Usenet, that's all.


modom

"Dallas is a rich man with a death wish in his eyes."
-- Jimmie Dale Gilmore

Damsel wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:32:40 GMT, "Lucy" > wrote:
>
>
>>Carol,
>>Since the only places I've been called a bitch is in newsgroups and in
>>chatrooms, it really doesn't bother me. The tone "heard" reveals more about
>>the person perceiving it, than the person who did the typing.
>>lucy
>
>
> I just wanted to point out that you are sending out some unattractive
> signals. If that doesn't bother you, no sweat. I was just trying to be
> helpful.
>
> Carol, the Unrelenting Bitch


To add to Carol's comment: when you see "plonk" after
your message, the poster is NOT patting you on the back.
If you get plonked enough, you will find yourself talking
almost exclusively to yourself.

gloria p

"raymond" > wrote in message
...

> That "community's standards" includes includes
> cursing and insulting and dumping the garbage
> out of your mouth at them if they don't follow
> that "community's standards." Getting along in
> this community requires that you meekly accept
> the garbage dumped upon you.

All groups have their cranks, as well as good folks. If you choose
not to use a killfile or self-control, ... well, that's your problem.

I've found that rfc is a much nicer place with a couple of people in
my killfile.
-j

In > PhotoMan wrote:

What?





























> It works top or bottom, as seen here.
>
> "Lucy" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see
>> fit.
> So,
>> if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
>> anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion),
>> and I'm not changing newsgroup readers. It has been my experience
>> with computers that the less I change on them,
> the
>> longer they seem to work <g>
>> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
>> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>>
>> lubbs!
>> lucy
>> p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to
>> pay me to learn all the rules and apply them with each post. <grins>
>
> It works top or bottom, as seen here.
>
>
>
--
Cheers

Dennis

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In > George wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>
>> As far as forwarding e-mail or usenet posts, I believe that the
>> material forwarded should be in exactly the same format as
>> originally constructed, otherwise, I'd be forwarding "my" version of
>> it. Wayne
>
> Agreed, original content should be preserved. My comment referred to
> forwarding something from user to user without deleting the headers (
> and often without any comment as to why the item might be interesting)
> When you get it you need to scroll down 1,725 lines in order to see
> the content.


Not only that, when people do forward msgs that way, they're sending
yours and many others addresses all over the place which turns into spam
harvesting eventually...


--
Cheers

Dennis

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"Lucy" > wrote in message
. com...
> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit.
> So, if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
> anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion),

You do not need to download anything to move the cursor. You can use your
fingers, although there is a requirement that a brain be attached.

Your attitude is all too common today. You are going to do what you want and
the hell with everyone else. You must be proud.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:20:21 GMT, Don Gray > wrote:

>I am from the UK but I read this newsgroup regularly and contribute
>occasionally, if appropriate. However, from the first comment of Lucy I
>suspected a sort of arrogance that is rarely encounted here. An ignorance of
>food or cooking standards mixed with the ability to sweetie-pie (con!) people
>into believing that 'she' was sincere.
>
>I began a post stating the same beliefs, but deleted it, thinking that,
>although hoodwinked, people would eventually recognise her for what she
>really was. I hope that she will now disappear from whence she came, without
>pretending that her only interest in this group is 'food'.

I've been accused of being too open, positive, and forgiving. Guilty as
charged, but I still feel like a fool when something like this happens.

Damsel, sitting in the corner in a pointy hat
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

In article >, George
> wrote:


> Agreed, original content should be preserved. My comment referred to
> forwarding something from user to user without deleting the headers (and
> often without any comment as to why the item might be interesting) When
> you get it you need to scroll down 1,725 lines in order to see the content.


I disagree. Often the original content doesn't relate to everything below
it, due to thread drift. In such cases, I'd rather see the extraneous
material deleted. In fact, I have a rule that I generally don't scroll.
If I open a post and see nothing but quoted material, I don't read it and
just go to the next post.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

In article > , "Lucy"
> wrote:

> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit. So,
> if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
> anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm


> p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to pay me
> to learn all the rules and apply them with each post.
> <grins>

I'm confused here. My computer says that you are using Outlook Express to
post. I know that it puts the cursor on top, which is a Bad Thing.
However, assuming that you have a mouse and a PC, then before you start
typing a reply, move your mouse cursor to the end of the post you are
replying to, and click your left mouse button. Now hit the enter key a
couple of times, to put some space between the original post and your
reply. Now start typing. We're talking maybe two seconds of your time,
and no new software.

Now you owe me US$75 for technical consulting.


:-)

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS