There are some of us who depend on Google for reading newsgroups. When
someone posts that they can find an item at "Sammy's", or whatever, we
need to know what city/area that is in.
For example, :
" know I'm beginning to sound like a broken record here, but
Bloomingfoods and Sahara Mart are at most likely possibilities for
hunting down some of the fancier chocolates. I know Sahara Mart has
bars of Lindt...."
I don't mean to pick on this particular poster, but the problem
occurs so often.
..."Boswick's has a sale on citrus this week" (where's that?)
..."Trader Joe's here now carries frozen elderberries ." (where
..."Our neighborhood Starbucks is dirty".(we'd like to know which
one).
And on a cozier note, when someone posts, for instance, "We're snowed
in", or, "the hurricane is expected to get here tonight", we'd like to
know where. It's friendlier to know where--we might have relatives in
that area, or we might just be concerned about you.
Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So if
you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
include your address in the body of your post.
Thanks for listening,
Nancree

On Fri 04 Feb 2005 01:09:44p, nancree wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> There are some of us who depend on Google for reading newsgroups. When
> someone posts that they can find an item at "Sammy's", or whatever, we
> need to know what city/area that is in.
> For example, :
> " know I'm beginning to sound like a broken record here, but
> Bloomingfoods and Sahara Mart are at most likely possibilities for
> hunting down some of the fancier chocolates. I know Sahara Mart has
> bars of Lindt...."
> I don't mean to pick on this particular poster, but the problem
> occurs so often.
> ..."Boswick's has a sale on citrus this week" (where's that?)
> ..."Trader Joe's here now carries frozen elderberries ." (where
> ..."Our neighborhood Starbucks is dirty".(we'd like to know which
> one).
> And on a cozier note, when someone posts, for instance, "We're snowed
> in", or, "the hurricane is expected to get here tonight", we'd like to
> know where. It's friendlier to know where--we might have relatives in
> that area, or we might just be concerned about you.
> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So if
> you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
> include your address in the body of your post.
> Thanks for listening,
> Nancree

But surely, for the most part, you are likely to know what is not near you,
and could skip it.

Wayne

On 4 Feb 2005 12:09:44 -0800, nancree wrote:

> There are some of us who depend on Google for reading newsgroups. When
> someone posts that they can find an item at "Sammy's", or whatever, we
> need to know what city/area that is in.

Not just the Google-users, either. I can _sometimes_ figure out where
someone is posting from; if the ISP is one I know is local to one area, for
example.

Of course, it's possible to _ask_. But my experience in other newsgroups
has been that the replies tend to be such unhelpful ones as "I'm in the
South," "I'm on the East Coast," "I'm in California."


> For example, :
> " know I'm beginning to sound like a broken record here, but
> Bloomingfoods and Sahara Mart are at most likely possibilities for
> hunting down some of the fancier chocolates. I know Sahara Mart has
> bars of Lindt...."
> I don't mean to pick on this particular poster, but the problem
> occurs so often.
> ..."Boswick's has a sale on citrus this week" (where's that?)
> ..."Trader Joe's here now carries frozen elderberries ." (where
> ..."Our neighborhood Starbucks is dirty".(we'd like to know which
> one).
> And on a cozier note, when someone posts, for instance, "We're snowed
> in", or, "the hurricane is expected to get here tonight", we'd like to
> know where. It's friendlier to know where--we might have relatives in
> that area, or we might just be concerned about you.
> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So if
> you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
> include your address in the body of your post.
> Thanks for listening,
> Nancree



--
Dan Goodman
Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood
Decluttering http://Decluttering.blogspot.com
Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com
All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies.
John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician.

nancree wrote:
> There are some of us who depend on Google for reading newsgroups.
[snip]

> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So if
> you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
> include your address in the body of your post.
> Thanks for listening,
> Nancree

For us Google posters, if the reader clicks on <show options> a choice
of Reply to Group and Reply to Author comes up. The latter enables the
reader to send a private reply.

-aem

On 4 Feb 2005 20:34:29 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Fri 04 Feb 2005 01:09:44p, nancree wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> There are some of us who depend on Google for reading newsgroups. When
>> someone posts that they can find an item at "Sammy's", or whatever, we
>> need to know what city/area that is in.
>> For example, :
>> " know I'm beginning to sound like a broken record here, but
>> Bloomingfoods and Sahara Mart are at most likely possibilities for
>> hunting down some of the fancier chocolates. I know Sahara Mart has
>> bars of Lindt...."
>> I don't mean to pick on this particular poster, but the problem
>> occurs so often.
>> ..."Boswick's has a sale on citrus this week" (where's that?)
>> ..."Trader Joe's here now carries frozen elderberries ." (where
>> ..."Our neighborhood Starbucks is dirty".(we'd like to know which
>> one).
>> And on a cozier note, when someone posts, for instance, "We're snowed
>> in", or, "the hurricane is expected to get here tonight", we'd like to
>> know where. It's friendlier to know where--we might have relatives in
>> that area, or we might just be concerned about you.
>> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So if
>> you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
>> include your address in the body of your post.
>> Thanks for listening,
>> Nancree
>
> But surely, for the most part, you are likely to know what is not near you,
> and could skip it.

Forty percent of the store names she gives as examples are national chains.
And "our neighborhood ___" is unhelpful even if you _know_ it's in the same
city.

And then there's the second part of her post, which you don't address.


--
Dan Goodman
Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood
Decluttering http://Decluttering.blogspot.com
Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com
All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies.
John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician.

nancree wrote:

> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So
if
> you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
> include your address in the body of your post.


Incorrect, merely demonstrating that you don't know how to use the
Google interface. I suppose that's why you don't bother with quoting
when you reply.



Brian

"Dog3" > wrote in message
...
> "Default User" > wrote in
> ups.com:
>
>> nancree wrote:
>>
>>> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So
>> if
>>> you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
>>> include your address in the body of your post.
>>
>>
>> Incorrect, merely demonstrating that you don't know how to use the
>> Google interface. I suppose that's why you don't bother with quoting
>> when you reply.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian
>
> In all actuality, if that interested she should learn how to read headers
> and IP addresses. You can pinpoint a person's location pretty closely
> unless they have munged their headers. I have the capability to munge but
> I
> don't.
>
> Michael

Dickheads, all she's saying is if you're going to post info about a
particular store, then let us know where the hell that store is. In
Vancouver, we don't have Bozwick's or Trader Joe's. So when you say "all you
need to do is go down to Trader Joe's", I'm wondering what the hell you're
talking about. Comprender?

Scott

"Scotty" > wrote in message
news:jZWMd.272694$8l.131041@pd7tw1no...

> Dickheads, all she's saying is if you're going to post info about a
> particular store, then let us know where the hell that store is. In
> Vancouver, we don't have Bozwick's or Trader Joe's. So when you say "all
> you need to do is go down to Trader Joe's", I'm wondering what the hell
> you're talking about. Comprender?

I don't understand ... it's a chain store. Do you have one there? Look in
the
phone book. Online. Whatever. If you don't, you ain't going there. No
big
deal.

nancy

On 4 Feb 2005 12:09:44 -0800, nancree > wrote:
> There are some of us who depend on Google for reading newsgroups. When
> someone posts that they can find an item at "Sammy's", or whatever, we
> need to know what city/area that is in.
> For example, :
> " know I'm beginning to sound like a broken record here, but
> Bloomingfoods and Sahara Mart are at most likely possibilities for
> hunting down some of the fancier chocolates. I know Sahara Mart has
> bars of Lindt...."

That was my quote, made to a user who has mentioned his location
several times before as being in the area of Bloomington, IN. I
knew this, hence my suggestions. And you neglect to mention that
later in the post, I specifically mention Indianapolis being in his area.
That should offer _some_ clue about the location, shouldn't it?

> I don't mean to pick on this particular poster, but the problem
> occurs so often.
> ..."Boswick's has a sale on citrus this week" (where's that?)
> ..."Trader Joe's here now carries frozen elderberries ." (where
> ..."Our neighborhood Starbucks is dirty".(we'd like to know which
> one).
> And on a cozier note, when someone posts, for instance, "We're snowed
> in", or, "the hurricane is expected to get here tonight", we'd like to
> know where. It's friendlier to know where--we might have relatives in
> that area, or we might just be concerned about you.
[snip]

From my observations, it doesn't look like people here have a
problem making more direct inqueries if they're actually curious and
want more information. If they really want to know which TJ's carries
frozen elderberries or which Starbucks is dirty, seems like a very
easy solution would be to just... ask.

And as someone else has wisely pointed out, not everyone wishes
to be specific about their location, and that's their own business.
I'm not sure it's realistic to expect people to reiterate their
location everytime they make the slightest mention of whatever might
be going on in their lives...

Ariane

Michael,
If you had read my post, you would see that Google Groups (the only way
I have of reading posts now that AOL has quit serviing them) --you
would see that Google Groups *does* mung their headers. That's my
whole point, Michael. Pay attention before you criticize.
Nancree

nancree wrote:
> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So
if
> you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
> include your address in the body of your post.


Incorrect, merely demonstrating that you don't know how to use the
Google interface. I suppose that's why you don't bother with quoting
when you reply.

Brian--------
-----------------------
Again, your post is useless. If you have a helpful suggestion, please
make it. Otherwise, don't bother me. (Google Groups does *not* carry a
full e-mail address for the e-mail it posts. They are munged.
Nancree

On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:42:57 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:

> "Scotty" > wrote in message
>
>> Dickheads, all she's saying is if you're going to post info about a
>> particular store, then let us know where the hell that store is. In
>> Vancouver, we don't have Bozwick's or Trader Joe's. So when you say "all
>> you need to do is go down to Trader Joe's", I'm wondering what the hell
>> you're talking about. Comprender?
>
> I don't understand ... it's a chain store. Do you have one there? Look in
> the
> phone book. Online. Whatever. If you don't, you ain't going there. No
> big
> deal.

This works _only_ if the chain's store operate enough alike in every city.
There are such things as sales confined to one area. There are also cases
in which city high-ups interpret their orders from headquarters very
differently.

Also, it doesn't quite cover the case (cited in the original message) of
someone saying "The Starbucks in my neighborhood is dirty."

And it most certainly DOES NOT cover something related which has annoyed me
-- people blithely stating grocery prices of certain items without saying
where those items were being sold.


--
Dan Goodman
Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood
Decluttering http://Decluttering.blogspot.com
Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com
All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies.
John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician.

"Ang and Bruce" > wrote in message
t...
> says...
>> There are some of us who depend on Google for reading newsgroups. When
>> someone posts that they can find an item at "Sammy's", or whatever, we
>> need to know what city/area that is in.
>> For example, :
>> " know I'm beginning to sound like a broken record here, but
>> Bloomingfoods and Sahara Mart are at most likely possibilities for
>> hunting down some of the fancier chocolates. I know Sahara Mart has
>> bars of Lindt...."
>> I don't mean to pick on this particular poster, but the problem
>> occurs so often.
>> ..."Boswick's has a sale on citrus this week" (where's that?)
>> ..."Trader Joe's here now carries frozen elderberries ." (where
>> ..."Our neighborhood Starbucks is dirty".(we'd like to know which
>> one).
>> And on a cozier note, when someone posts, for instance, "We're snowed
>> in", or, "the hurricane is expected to get here tonight", we'd like to
>> know where. It's friendlier to know where--we might have relatives in
>> that area, or we might just be concerned about you.
>> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So if
>> you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
>> include your address in the body of your post.
>
> Yeah mate!!!!!!!!
> And adding the bloody COUNTRY would help too!
> <nodding lots>

I'd say it's safe to assume it's the U.S. unless stated otherwise

-T

"skoonj" wrote ...
> "Ang and Bruce"wrote in message
>> Yeah mate!!!!!!!!
>> And adding the bloody COUNTRY would help too!
>> <nodding lots>
>
> I'd say it's safe to assume it's the U.S. unless stated otherwise
>
> -T

Sheesh, -T, I know you added the wink but I still think you are being just a
bit more than offensive to the MANY non-USA participants here!

Pam

Michael wrote:

> In all actuality, if that interested she should learn how to read headers
> and IP addresses. You can pinpoint a person's location pretty closely
> unless they have munged their headers. I have the capability to munge but
> I don't.

I'm forthcoming about my location, but I don't think anybody could
"pinpoint" my location from my news headers. Looking at my own headers, I
don't even think they reveal my ISP. (newscene.com isn't an ISP, it's a
newsgroup service.)

Bob

On 4 Feb 2005 20:42:06 -0800, nancree wrote:

> Michael,
> If you had read my post, you would see that Google Groups (the only way
> I have of reading posts now that AOL has quit serviing them)

Take a look at http://news.individual.net -- people whose opinions are
generally good in this area have recommended them.

Think about saying goodbye to AOL and hello to an ISP which does have
Usenet.

--you
> would see that Google Groups *does* mung their headers. That's my
> whole point, Michael. Pay attention before you criticize.
> Nancree



--
Dan Goodman
Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood
Decluttering http://Decluttering.blogspot.com
Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com
All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies.
John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician.

"Dan Goodman" > wrote in message
.. .
> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:42:57 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> "Scotty" > wrote in message
>>
>>> Dickheads, all she's saying is if you're going to post info about a
>>> particular store, then let us know where the hell that store is. In
>>> Vancouver, we don't have Bozwick's or Trader Joe's. So when you say "all
>>> you need to do is go down to Trader Joe's", I'm wondering what the hell
>>> you're talking about. Comprender?
>>
>> I don't understand ... it's a chain store. Do you have one there? Look
>> in
>> the
>> phone book. Online. Whatever. If you don't, you ain't going there. No
>> big
>> deal.
>
> This works _only_ if the chain's store operate enough alike in every city.
> There are such things as sales confined to one area.

Exactly my point, odds are you do not live near the particular store the
person is talking about, and you aren't going to fly across the country
to visit it. It's irrelevant.

nancy

On Fri 04 Feb 2005 09:46:09p, Dan Goodman wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:42:57 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> "Scotty" > wrote in message
>>
>>> Dickheads, all she's saying is if you're going to post info about a
>>> particular store, then let us know where the hell that store is. In
>>> Vancouver, we don't have Bozwick's or Trader Joe's. So when you say
>>> "all you need to do is go down to Trader Joe's", I'm wondering what
>>> the hell you're talking about. Comprender?
>>
>> I don't understand ... it's a chain store. Do you have one there?
>> Look in the phone book. Online. Whatever. If you don't, you ain't
>> going there. No big deal.
>
> This works _only_ if the chain's store operate enough alike in every
> city. There are such things as sales confined to one area. There are
> also cases in which city high-ups interpret their orders from
> headquarters very differently.

It's true that stores of the same chain in different parts of the country
or, for that matter, different parts of a city, are often merchandised
different. Still, if you're familiar with the stores you frequent, you
should have a pretty good idea whether they have the items in question. If
you don't, then you're probably a rather poor observer and shopper.

> Also, it doesn't quite cover the case (cited in the original message) of
> someone saying "The Starbucks in my neighborhood is dirty."

Your own observation should tell you whether the Starbucks in your own
neighborhood is dirty. Why the hell would you care about some place a
thousand miles away?

> And it most certainly DOES NOT cover something related which has annoyed
> me -- people blithely stating grocery prices of certain items without
> saying where those items were being sold.

Prices for the same item vary across a range of supermarket chains even in
the same city, not to mention across the country. If you're that niggely
about the price you should call the store.

I don't see what the big deal is. The original request was petty and made
to sound as though we "owe" this person the information. Not the nature of
newsgroups, to be sure.

If I had to research and post the source and price for every damn thing I
posted about, I would probably never post at all.

Wayne

Dan Goodman wrote:
> On 4 Feb 2005 20:42:06 -0800, nancree wrote:
>
>
>>Michael,
>>If you had read my post, you would see that Google Groups (the only way
>>I have of reading posts now that AOL has quit serviing them)
>
>
> Take a look at http://news.individual.net -- people whose opinions are
> generally good in this area have recommended them.
>
> Think about saying goodbye to AOL and hello to an ISP which does have
> Usenet.

I wholeheartedly agree. But a slight clarification:
news.individual.net isn't an ISP, it's a usenet service. My ISP
(Optimum Online) does have usenet but it sucks so badly that I switch
to n.i.n. for the groups. And just to head off the obvious comment:
I didn't switch ISP's because I get 8.6MB (yes, that's not a typo)
download speeds while sitting on the couch running wireless.

--
Steve

Ever wonder about those people who spend $2.00 apiece on those little
bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

Steve Calvin wrote:

> I wholeheartedly agree. But a slight clarification: news.individual.net
> isn't an ISP, it's a usenet service. My ISP (Optimum Online) does have
> usenet but it sucks so badly that I switch to n.i.n. for the groups.
> And just to head off the obvious comment: I didn't switch ISP's because
> I get 8.6MB (yes, that's not a typo) download speeds while sitting on
> the couch running wireless.
>

I'd love to see someone determine my geographic location from my
headers which are totally unmunged. It would require a "proof" along
with it though as I've posted what town I live in several times.

Any takers? (... I thought not)

--
Steve

Ever wonder about those people who spend $2.00 apiece on those little
bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

nancree at wrote on 2/4/05 11:45 PM:

>
>
> nancree wrote:
>> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So
> if
>> you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
>> include your address in the body of your post.
>
>
> Incorrect, merely demonstrating that you don't know how to use the
> Google interface. I suppose that's why you don't bother with quoting
> when you reply.
>
> Brian--------
> -----------------------
> Again, your post is useless. If you have a helpful suggestion, please
> make it. Otherwise, don't bother me. (Google Groups does *not* carry a
> full e-mail address for the e-mail it posts. They are munged.
> Nancree
>

You can hit "Show Options" and it will show you the return address on any
post you care to do this on. This is the default. It's always available, you
just have to click on it.

I was playing around with it at work the other day (the only place I use
Google to read RFC) and you can actually change the default settings to
display all posts with header info visible, including the poster's return
address, if you so choose.

Dog3 wrote:
> "Scotty" > wrote in
> news:jZWMd.272694$8l.131041@pd7tw1no:
>
>
>>"Dog3" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>"Default User" > wrote in
groups.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>>nancree wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts.
>>>>> So
>>>>
>>>>if
>>>>
>>>>>you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
>>>>>include your address in the body of your post.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Incorrect, merely demonstrating that you don't know how to use the
>>>>Google interface. I suppose that's why you don't bother with quoting
>>>>when you reply.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Brian
>>>
>>>In all actuality, if that interested she should learn how to read
>>>headers and IP addresses. You can pinpoint a person's location pretty
>>>closely unless they have munged their headers. I have the capability
>>>to munge but I
>>>don't.
>>>
>>>Michael
>>
>>Dickheads, all she's saying is if you're going to post info about a
>>particular store, then let us know where the hell that store is. In
>>Vancouver, we don't have Bozwick's or Trader Joe's. So when you say
>>"all you need to do is go down to Trader Joe's", I'm wondering what
>>the hell you're talking about. Comprender?
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>
>
>
> **** off Snotty. There are a lot of freaks out there and many people do not
> like their location known. Everyone in this newsgroup knows where I live
> because I am not worried about it. Some people are. Comprende?
>
> Michael


The only people who would really have to worry about this is someone,
somewhat like you - a jerk, living in a two-horse town and they are both
good horses. I live in San Diego, some may live in Boise or in Gunnison,
CO. Most of these places are big enough that if you haven't ****ed on
someone's foot, you have little to worry about (in fact, you do have
more to worry about, just taking a shower or driving to work).



jim

JimLane > wrote in message
...
> Dog3 wrote:
> > "Scotty" > wrote in
news:jZWMd.272694$8l.131041@pd7tw1no:
> >>"Dog3" > wrote in message
...
> >>>"Default User" > wrote in
ups.com:
> >>>>nancree wrote:
> >>>>> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on
> >>>>> your posts. So if you need a private reply (some of
> >>>>> you ask for that), you'll have to include your address
> >>>>> in the body of your post.
> >>>>
> >>>> Incorrect, merely demonstrating that you don't know
> >>>> how to use the Google interface. I suppose that's why
> >>>> you don't bother with quoting when you reply.
> >>>>
> >>> In all actuality, if that interested she should learn how
> >>> to read headers and IP addresses. You can pinpoint a
> >>> person's location pretty closely unless they have munged
> >>> their headers. I have the capability to munge but I don't.
> >>>
> >> Dickheads, all she's saying is if you're going to post info
> >> about a particular store, then let us know where the hell
> >> that store is. In Vancouver, we don't have Bozwick's or
> >> Trader Joe's. So when you say "all you need to do is go
> >> down to Trader Joe's", I'm wondering what the hell you're
> >> talking about. Comprender?
> >>
> > **** off Snotty. There are a lot of freaks out there and many
> > people do not like their location known. Everyone in this
> > newsgroup knows where I live because I am not worried
> > about it. Some people are. Comprende?
> >
> The only people who would really have to worry about this
> is someone, somewhat like you - a jerk, living in a two-horse
> town and they are both good horses.

I see you're cutting your pinks and greens in half again, Jimmy. Who,
exactly, are you replying to since you're either too lazy or incompetent
to trim the post? There are four to choose and none live in "two-horse
towns."

> I live in San Diego, some may live in Boise or in Gunnison,
> CO. Most of these places are big enough that if you haven't
> ****ed on someone's foot, you have little to worry about
> (in fact, you do have more to worry about, just taking a
> shower or driving to work).

I live in a burg only slightly smaller than your four-horse town and
have had people walk up to me and mention a post or two. I don't hide
much of where I live but it is mildly creepy when it happens. If someone
were to actively take an interest in someone, then allowing them this
innocuous anonymity is just fine. I can easily perform my own searches
for any store that might be mentioned here... If they have a
web-presence, so much the better for me.

The Ranger
--
Nothing which was ever expressed originally in the English language
resembles, except in the most distant way, the thought of Plotinus, or
Hegel, or Foucault. I take this to be enormously to the credit of our
language.
-- David Stove

One time on Usenet, "nancree" > said:

> There are some of us who depend on Google for reading newsgroups. When
> someone posts that they can find an item at "Sammy's", or whatever, we
> need to know what city/area that is in.

Then ask the OP for clarification.

<snip>

> And on a cozier note, when someone posts, for instance, "We're snowed
> in", or, "the hurricane is expected to get here tonight", we'd like to
> know where. It's friendlier to know where--we might have relatives in
> that area, or we might just be concerned about you.

Then ask the OP for clarification.

> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So if
> you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
> include your address in the body of your post.

Then find a new Usenet service, such as individual.net...

--
J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~
"You still haven't explained why the pool is
filled with elf blood." - Frylock, ATHF

Dog3 > wrote:

>Sheryl Rosen > wrote in
:
>
>> nancree at wrote on 2/4/05 11:45 PM:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> nancree wrote:
>>>> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So
>>> if
>>>> you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
>>>> include your address in the body of your post.
>>>
>>>
>>> Incorrect, merely demonstrating that you don't know how to use the
>>> Google interface. I suppose that's why you don't bother with quoting
>>> when you reply.
>>>
>>> Brian--------
>>> -----------------------
>>> Again, your post is useless. If you have a helpful suggestion,
>>> please make it. Otherwise, don't bother me. (Google Groups does *not*
>>> carry a full e-mail address for the e-mail it posts. They are
>>> munged. Nancree
>>>
>>
>> You can hit "Show Options" and it will show you the return address on
>> any post you care to do this on. This is the default. It's always
>> available, you just have to click on it.
>>
>> I was playing around with it at work the other day (the only place I
>> use Google to read RFC) and you can actually change the default
>> settings to display all posts with header info visible, including the
>> poster's return address, if you so choose.
>
>Doesn't it say show complete or maybe original format? I think if you click
>that option is shows full headers etc. I have not used it that much to
>really know how it all works. I use Google as a search engine and rarely
>use it to read the groups unless I'm traveling. One thing I do know is if
>you use a Hotmail email address with Google it is virtually impossible to
>trace your region. AOL, WebTV and a few others are completely safe from
>nosy individuals looking to ferret out your whereabouts.
>
>Michael

There was a time when anyone could read the profiles on AOL. I
remember one person was saying that there was no Wal-Mart or K-Mart
near them. I found the user profile, found the nearest store and told
them how far it was to the store. I never mentioned the poster's city
or state and dropped it at that.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral, 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

In > Dan Goodman wrote:
> On 4 Feb 2005 12:09:44 -0800, nancree wrote:
>
>> There are some of us who depend on Google for reading newsgroups.
>> When someone posts that they can find an item at "Sammy's", or
>> whatever, we need to know what city/area that is in.
>
> Not just the Google-users, either. I can _sometimes_ figure out where
> someone is posting from; if the ISP is one I know is local to one area,
> for example.
>
> Of course, it's possible to _ask_. But my experience in other
> newsgroups has been that the replies tend to be such unhelpful ones as
> "I'm in the South," "I'm on the East Coast," "I'm in California."

Yes. A lot of people use Google or false names just to keep their
identity/location secret. Not unusual and well, if you don't recognize
the shop, you at least know it's not near you. However, if its got
something you want, the of course you'll just have to ask...

Reporting live from Sunny Saskatchewan :-)


--
Cheers

Dennis

Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply

Sheryl Rosen wrote:
>
> nancree wrote:
>
> >> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So
> > if
> >> you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have
to
> >> include your address in the body of your post.
> >
> >
> > Incorrect, merely demonstrating that you don't know how to use the
> > Google interface. I suppose that's why you don't bother with
quoting
> > when you reply.
> >
> > Brian--------
> > -----------------------
> > Again, your post is useless. If you have a helpful suggestion,
please
> > make it. Otherwise, don't bother me. (Google Groups does *not*
carry a
> > full e-mail address for the e-mail it posts. They are munged.
> > Nancree
> >
>
> You can hit "Show Options" and it will show you the return address on
any
> post you care to do this on. This is the default. It's always
available, you
> just have to click on it.
>
> I was playing around with it at work the other day (the only place I
use
> Google to read RFC) and you can actually change the default settings
to
> display all posts with header info visible, including the poster's
return
> address, if you so choose.

I only just recently subscribed to Google for Newsgroups, about a week
ago. When I subscribed they asked me to supply a password, an email
address, and a nickname. I could have easily chosen to supply a munged
email address and a nicknmae that no one would recognize as being me...
same as I could with my AOL acct. or with any other ISP/Newsreader. I
have no doubt whatsoever that many, regardless of how they read
Newsgroups, whether through Google or otherwise, use munged and/or
multiple IDs... phoney baloney is just a fact of internet life. But I
do not do that, never have, never will... I'm exactly who/how I purport
myself to be.

Now that I've been using Google long enough to familiarize myself with
it I don't find it much different from using AOL's Newsgroups feature,
was just that I was so familiar with AOL's that I could race through
the posts and make my replys with no effort whatsoever, even while
multi-tasking. I've used Internet Explorer's Newsgroups feature in
the past too, Google is easier. I even down loaded the Mozilla
Newsreader a few days ago and tried it, it sucks, big time, extremely
cumbersome.

I have my high speed connection through a local cable company, I can
easily use it as my only ISP, but I use AOL for lots more, not just to
access Newsgroups... to me it's well worth keeping it for only
$15/month... 50=A2/day.
Anyone doesn't like AOL, that's their choice, I like it... Baskin &
Robins has 31 flavors, why do you think that is?

I don't like that AOL is going to abandon Usenet, especially without
even so much as a by your leave... no explanation whatsoever. But for
now I will continue using AOL... I'm positive many will not... AOL will
pay a large price for their fercocktah decision.

Anyway, anyone can munge their ID, and to any degree.

Sheldon

On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:34:51 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:

> "Dan Goodman" > wrote in message
>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:42:57 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> "Scotty" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Dickheads, all she's saying is if you're going to post info about a
>>>> particular store, then let us know where the hell that store is. In
>>>> Vancouver, we don't have Bozwick's or Trader Joe's. So when you say "all
>>>> you need to do is go down to Trader Joe's", I'm wondering what the hell
>>>> you're talking about. Comprender?
>>>
>>> I don't understand ... it's a chain store. Do you have one there? Look
>>> in the phone book. Online. Whatever. If you don't, you ain't going
>>> there. No big deal.
>>
>> This works _only_ if the chain's store operate enough alike in every city.
>> There are such things as sales confined to one area.
>
> Exactly my point, odds are you do not live near the particular store the
> person is talking about, and you aren't going to fly across the country
> to visit it.

1) I don't KNOW that the store is in a different metro area.
2) While I'm not going to fly across the country to visit that store, that
doesn't mean I'm not going to be in that neighborhood. I might be visiting
someone who lives there. I might be attending an sf or mystery convention
there. I might fall in love with someone who lives right next to that
store, and who won't move.



--
Dan Goodman
Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood
Decluttering http://Decluttering.blogspot.com
Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com
All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies.
John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician.

Gal Called J.J. > helpfully posted to
Nancree lament in message ...
> > "Where is this?"
> Then ask the OP for clarification.
> <snip>
> > "Where is this?"
> Then ask the OP for clarification.
[snip]
> > "Woe is me; I'm _forced_ to use Google Groups!"
> Then find a new Usenet service, such as individual.net...

Take a bow, JJ. Succinct and pointed information you posted.

The Ranger

Dog3 > wrote in message
...
> "The Ranger" > wrote in
:
> > I see you're cutting your pinks and greens in half again,
> > Jimmy. Who, exactly, are you replying to since you're
> > either too lazy or incompetent to trim the post? There
> > are four to choose and none live in "two-horse towns."
> >
> Well, he posted directly under me so I took it as a response
> to me. St. Louis is not a "two-horse town" but perhaps Jim
> does not realize that.

Little Jimmy's ignorance is legendary. He's a ****wit of Aiken's
proportion.

> > I live in a burg only slightly smaller than your four-horse
> > town and have had people walk up to me and mention a
> > post or two. I don't hide much of where I live but it is
> > mildly creepy when it happens. If someone were to
> > actively take an interest in someone, then allowing them
> > this innocuous anonymity is just fine. I can easily
> > perform my own searches for any store that might be
> > mentioned here... If they have a web-presence, so much
> > the better for me.
> >
> You have stated this much more eloquently than I could.
> Thanks for voicing your opinion. I agree with you 100%.

Glad to have helped. What Little Jimmy fails to realize, since he's also
"self-employed" is that there are lurkers out there that don't post --
ever -- but sponge off 'groups. These, if you are given to mild anxiety,
are the ones you have to worry about because they hire and fire in the
Corporate World. SWMBO sat in (briefly) on one hiring committee's
decision that used an applicant's Usenet history to decide her value-add
to their group. It's not just stalkers that people are worried about.

The Ranger

On 5 Feb 2005 13:08:29 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Fri 04 Feb 2005 09:46:09p, Dan Goodman wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:42:57 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> "Scotty" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Dickheads, all she's saying is if you're going to post info about a
>>>> particular store, then let us know where the hell that store is. In
>>>> Vancouver, we don't have Bozwick's or Trader Joe's. So when you say
>>>> "all you need to do is go down to Trader Joe's", I'm wondering what
>>>> the hell you're talking about. Comprender?
>>>
>>> I don't understand ... it's a chain store. Do you have one there?
>>> Look in the phone book. Online. Whatever. If you don't, you ain't
>>> going there. No big deal.
>>
>> This works _only_ if the chain's store operate enough alike in every
>> city. There are such things as sales confined to one area. There are
>> also cases in which city high-ups interpret their orders from
>> headquarters very differently.
>
> It's true that stores of the same chain in different parts of the country
> or, for that matter, different parts of a city, are often merchandised
> different. Still, if you're familiar with the stores you frequent, you
> should have a pretty good idea whether they have the items in question.

And exactly when a store which usually charges (in my opinion) too much for
the quality offered has a sale?

In the Twin Cities, supermarket chains do not make it easy to know what's
on sale before you go into the store. There's the flyer in the Sunday
paper; there are the little ads elsewhere in the Sunday paper; there's the
in store specials; there's the ad in the Wednesday paper, in the section
you don't usually bother to read....

And I don't habitually go to _all_ the supermarkets near me.

> If
> you don't, then you're probably a rather poor observer and shopper.


>> Also, it doesn't quite cover the case (cited in the original message) of
>> someone saying "The Starbucks in my neighborhood is dirty."
>
> Your own observation should tell you whether the Starbucks in your own
> neighborhood is dirty. Why the hell would you care about some place a
> thousand miles away?

Because I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A THOUSAND MILES AWAY.

And because it might be in the city and neighborhood I'm planning to move
to, or the one I'm planning to visit.

>> And it most certainly DOES NOT cover something related which has annoyed
>> me -- people blithely stating grocery prices of certain items without
>> saying where those items were being sold.
>
> Prices for the same item vary across a range of supermarket chains even in
> the same city, not to mention across the country. If you're that niggely
> about the price you should call the store.
>
> I don't see what the big deal is.

Uh-huh. I sometimes correct people who think I grew up in New York City --
I grew up in the Catskills area. Usually, they don't see what the big deal
is.

I've known people who didn't see what the big deal is about gun safety.

I may be wrong, but you seem to be confusing "I don't see what the big deal
is" with "It's no big deal".

> The original request was petty

In _your_ opinion.

> and made to sound as though we "owe" this person the information. Not
> the nature of newsgroups, to be sure.

Well, it would be polite to give the information, knowing that there are
people here who want it.

> If I had to research and post the source and price for every damn thing I
> posted about, I would probably never post at all.

I see. It would be an intolerable burden to say "Chicken breasts cost me
$1.78 a pound at the Dangerway on Burr Boulevard in Iowa City."


--
Dan Goodman
Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood
Decluttering http://Decluttering.blogspot.com
Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com
All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies.
John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician.

Dan Goodman > wrote in message
...
> On 5 Feb 2005 13:08:29 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
[snip]
> > If I had to research and post the source and price for every
> > damn thing I posted about, I would probably never post at all.
> >
> I see. It would be an intolerable burden to say "Chicken breasts
> cost me $1.78 a pound at the Dangerway on Burr Boulevard in
> Iowa City."

That's why there ar e local hierarchies (aus.*, sa.*, pgh.*, ba.*, la.*,
etc.) with local newsgroups (*.eats or *.food) devoted to dining and
food. It's useless to post geographic-specific "sales" such as you've
cited for such a limited benefit on a multinational group. OTOH, many of
the chains that do get mentioned have significant "domestic" (Safeway,
Testco, TJ, to name just a few) or, in a few instances, international
(Krogers) coverage.

And then there's the posters that only put minimal effort into what they
want to say so they post, "Chicken breasts cost me $1.78 a pound at the
Dangerway." Do they mean US$? Can$? Aus$? Little difference there in
rates, too, so posting "sales" on any Big8 'group is pointless.

Your anger and annoyance is misplaced.

The Ranger

"Ed Grabau and Pam Jacoby" <pjjehg @frontiernet.net> wrote in message
...
>
> "skoonj" wrote ...
>> "Ang and Bruce"wrote in message
>>> Yeah mate!!!!!!!!
>>> And adding the bloody COUNTRY would help too!
>>> <nodding lots>
>>
>> I'd say it's safe to assume it's the U.S. unless stated otherwise
>>
>> -T
>
> Sheesh, -T, I know you added the wink but I still think you are being just
> a bit more than offensive to the MANY non-USA participants here!
>
> Pam

Oh, come on. The wink makes it clear I was being ironic. At least I'm aware
of the tendency of US posters to forget that they're not the only ones here.

-T

On 4 Feb 2005 12:09:44 -0800, "nancree" >
wrote:

> There are some of us who depend on Google for reading newsgroups.

Nan, why are you stuck with google as your main source?

sf

On 5 Feb 2005 13:08:29 GMT, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

>I don't see what the big deal is. The original request was petty and made
>to sound as though we "owe" this person the information. Not the nature of
>newsgroups, to be sure.

I don't want to stir up a dust storm here, but I agree with you, Wayne.

I don't particularly give a damn what's on sale at Albertson's (west coast
chain?), so I just disregard those posts. Simple to do.

And if I hear that someone's getting good prices on such-and-such, I'll
check the store(s) where I *do* buy groceries. That's called Real Life.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:23:24 -0800, "The Ranger" >
wrote:

>Dog3 > wrote in message
...
>[snip all of text]
>
>Thanks for reposting my entire article. <EG> I'm not sure if it was your
>intent but if I'm really being kf'd by North-end-of-a-southbound-mule
>Aikens, he'll see it because he hasn't chastised you with that empty
>threat.

ROFLMAO! When I re-joined the group a few months ago, someone was
re-posting my articles until the person they were doing it for removed
their KF. Now at least I'm being responded to directly instead of having a
middleman.

Well, *I* like you, even if that other guy *is* always right. ROFLMAO!

Carol, looking for a place to hide
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

Dog3 > wrote in message
...
[snip all of text]

Thanks for reposting my entire article. <EG> I'm not sure if it was your
intent but if I'm really being kf'd by North-end-of-a-southbound-mule
Aikens, he'll see it because he hasn't chastised you with that empty
threat.

The Ranger

Damsel in dis Dress > wrote in message
...
[snip using middle-people for posting]
> Well, *I* like you, even if that other guy *is* always right.
> ROFLMAO!

/deadman stare towards the Northern Wasteland

I hate you. (And it's a permanent hate, too!)

> Carol, looking for a place to hide

Choices, choices. A bunny or a march hare... I can pressure cook the
march hare into a semblance of food...

The Ranger

"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
...
> On 5 Feb 2005 13:08:29 GMT, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>>I don't see what the big deal is. The original request was petty and made
>>to sound as though we "owe" this person the information. Not the nature
>>of
>>newsgroups, to be sure.
>
> I don't want to stir up a dust storm here, but I agree with you, Wayne.
>
> I don't particularly give a damn what's on sale at Albertson's (west coast
> chain?), so I just disregard those posts. Simple to do.
>
> And if I hear that someone's getting good prices on such-and-such, I'll
> check the store(s) where I *do* buy groceries. That's called Real Life.

You and Wayne nailed it.

nancy

Dog3 > wrote in message
...
> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote in
: > > Carol, looking for
a place to hide
>
> Come to my place. We'll cook up a batch of something and
>hibernate until April.

Damsel and Dog,
Hiding in a tree.
K-I-S-S
I-N-G.
First...

The "Singin'" Ranger