White vinegar will clean most things, so I use this on a warm glass oven to
keep doors sparkling. rinsed first in hot soapy water or suds, and
rinsed,and finally buffed up with kitchen paper towels.

Sprinkle bicarbinate of soda, around the sink plug hole, and then pour some
white vinegar ontop....this will fizz up and slowly go down the
drain....taking all the grease and yuk with it.

Use a dab of white vinegar on a cloth around the taps too...infact anywhere
where a slight stain maybe, it is excellent as the acid gets to work
instantly on most things. Even in the bath room, and limescale comes away
effortlessly.

Glass and ceramics are left unharmed. I've never used it on my ceramic
hob, as I use a special cream, but can't see that it would harm this.
Anyone have a glass fronted coal or log fire....cleans the glass up real
fine..

HTH

In article > ,
"cher" > wrote:

> White vinegar will clean most things,

It also keeps dyes from fading, so I pour a bit in the washing machine
with my black jeans and with my hand dyed clothes from India.

Priscilla

--
"It is very, very dangerous to treat any human, lowest
of the low even, with contempt and arrogant whatever.
The Lord takes this kind of treatment very, very personal."
- QBaal in newsgroup alt.religion.christian.episcopal

cher wrote:
> White vinegar will clean most things, so I use this on a warm glass oven
to
> keep doors sparkling. rinsed first in hot soapy water or suds, and
> rinsed,and finally buffed up with kitchen paper towels.

I think that many of us have already discovered this usage.


> Sprinkle bicarbinate of soda, around the sink plug hole...

It's bicarbonate of soda, or sodium bicarbonate...

It's also drain hole or drain rather than "sink plug hole."


> and then pour some
> white vinegar ontop....this will fizz up and slowly go down the
> drain....taking all the grease and yuk with it.

It'll fizz up all right. It may fizz up more than expected. It will not,
however, automatically take "all the grease and yuk with it" as it loses its
steam and runs down the drain. Why would it? As it has no soap or detergent
action of its own, it's not meant to lift "grease and yuk." You may find
that the "grease and yuk" in your drain is probably still there.


> Use a dab of white vinegar on a cloth around the taps too...infact
anywhere
> where a slight stain maybe, it is excellent as the acid gets to work
> instantly on most things. Even in the bath room, and limescale comes away
> effortlessly.

Um, yes. Remember that acid reacts with all metals and not just scale. As
you merrily swab your taps with vinegar, you lose your taps by degrees.

The effect is especially notable on less expensive fixtures, where you'll
see erosion and discoloration quite quickly as the chrome is eaten away.


> Glass and ceramics are left unharmed. I've never used it on my ceramic
> hob, as I use a special cream, but can't see that it would harm this.
> Anyone have a glass fronted coal or log fire....cleans the glass up real
> fine..

Glass and ceramics may be etched by vinegars.

Fireplaces can be great tar/creosote producers. Don't try to take that stuff
off with vinegar.

pennyaline wrote:
> cher wrote:
>> White vinegar will clean most things, so I use this on a warm glass
>> oven to keep doors sparkling. rinsed first in hot soapy water or
>> suds, and rinsed,and finally buffed up with kitchen paper towels.
>
> I think that many of us have already discovered this usage.
>
>
>> Sprinkle bicarbinate of soda, around the sink plug hole...
>
> It's bicarbonate of soda, or sodium bicarbonate...
>
> It's also drain hole or drain rather than "sink plug hole."
>
Must you be so condescending? People have different terms for different
things. She's in the UK. You're posting from Qwest in the U.S. Get over
it.

Jill

"jmcquown" wrote
> pennyaline wrote:
>> cher wrote:
>>> White vinegar will clean most things, so I use this on a warm glass
>>> oven to keep doors sparkling. rinsed first in hot soapy water or
>>> suds, and rinsed,and finally buffed up with kitchen paper towels.
>>
>> I think that many of us have already discovered this usage.
>>
>>
>>> Sprinkle bicarbinate of soda, around the sink plug hole...
>>
>> It's bicarbonate of soda, or sodium bicarbonate...
>>
>> It's also drain hole or drain rather than "sink plug hole."
>>
> Must you be so condescending? People have different terms for different
> things. She's in the UK. You're posting from Qwest in the U.S. Get over
> it.
>
> Jill

Thanks for saying just what I was thinking, Jill.

Pam

jmcquown wrote:
> Must you be so condescending? People have different terms for different
> things. She's in the UK. You're posting from Qwest in the U.S. Get over
> it.

Jesus, I just love it when the reaction to correction is "Get over it."

Get over what?

<answer that cogently, and I might just think about *getting over it*>

Ed Grabau and Pam Jacoby wrote:
> Thanks for saying just what I was thinking, Jill.

What? You were thinking "get over it" too?

Last I knew, it's called a drain in the UK.

<we now rejoin the point, already in progress>

pennyaline wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Must you be so condescending? People have different terms for
>> different things. She's in the UK. You're posting from Qwest in
>> the U.S. Get over it.
>
> Jesus, I just love it when the reaction to correction is "Get over
> it."
>
> Get over what?
>
> <answer that cogently, and I might just think about *getting over it*>

Get over your spelling correction of bicarbinate and your objection to the
use of her term "sink plug hole". If you need me to be more specific,
please let me know.

Jill

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:15:02 GMT, "Ed Grabau and Pam Jacoby" <pjjehg
@frontiernet.net> wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" wrote
>> pennyaline wrote:
>>> cher wrote:
>>>> White vinegar will clean most things, so I use this on a warm glass
>>>> oven to keep doors sparkling. rinsed first in hot soapy water or
>>>> suds, and rinsed,and finally buffed up with kitchen paper towels.
>>>
>>> I think that many of us have already discovered this usage.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sprinkle bicarbinate of soda, around the sink plug hole...
>>>
>>> It's bicarbonate of soda, or sodium bicarbonate...
>>>
>>> It's also drain hole or drain rather than "sink plug hole."
>>>
>> Must you be so condescending? People have different terms for different
>> things. She's in the UK. You're posting from Qwest in the U.S. Get over
>> it.
>>
>> Jill
>
>Thanks for saying just what I was thinking, Jill.
>
>Pam
>

I agree.

Boron

What? why isnt this mail showing up for me....oh well..not to worry,
doesn't sound like I've missed much...LOL

Oh well...Cher



"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..
> pennyaline wrote:
> > cher wrote:
> >> White vinegar will clean most things, so I use this on a warm glass
> >> oven to keep doors sparkling. rinsed first in hot soapy water or
> >> suds, and rinsed,and finally buffed up with kitchen paper towels.
> >
> > I think that many of us have already discovered this usage.
> >
> >
> >> Sprinkle bicarbinate of soda, around the sink plug hole...
> >
> > It's bicarbonate of soda, or sodium bicarbonate...
> >
> > It's also drain hole or drain rather than "sink plug hole."
> >
> Must you be so condescending? People have different terms for different
> things. She's in the UK. You're posting from Qwest in the U.S. Get over
> it.
>
> Jill
>
>

jmcquown wrote:
> Get over your spelling correction of bicarbinate and your objection to the
> use of her term "sink plug hole".

Nope. Sorry, no can do. It's the not just pedantic English major in me.

<and that's ignoring the ' ". ' ;p >


> If you need me to be more specific,
> please let me know.

Again, nope. That's enough to convince me that I'll never need to get over
it

pennyaline wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
>
>>Get over your spelling correction of bicarbinate and your objection to the
>>use of her term "sink plug hole".
>
> Nope. Sorry, no can do. It's the not just pedantic English major in me.
> <and that's ignoring the ' ". ' ;p >
>
>>If you need me to be more specific,
>>please let me know.
>
> Again, nope. That's enough to convince me that I'll never need to get over
> it

My reply to "get over it" is usually along the order of "Bite me." I
thought the original post was badly written, wrong about a lot and
cheerfully perky instead of accurate and knowledgeable. It assumed a
level of awareness much lower than is usually displayed here.

Pastorio

> Last I knew, it's called a drain in the UK.<

Is it???? good grief, and I was born and bred here believing that the drain
is the outside bit....the hole in the sink with the plug in it leading to
the drain, a plug hole. I must try to let everyone here in England know
we've all been wrong all these years, and that those of us using this term,
must now use the U.S. term of drain.. Although I expect some do use this,
depending on how long they've lived in England, and what part they come
from.

You'd be flipping lost if I spoke in true English Cockney or one of the
Shire's Gaelic tongues.

As to your comments on vinegar etc, it's not as if we do this regular every
day or week or even monthly...but it'll shift things even grease, to bring
whatever back to clean again.....should you ever get your things to the
state where ordinary suds won't shift it.

>>English Major in me<<
Don't think there is ever the fear of you being that, much as you seem to
think you are.
As to your term of Pedantic. You couldn't be more right, you are!

Still each to their own, I'm sure you can't help it. and no doubt there is
a skeleton somewhere in that cupboard of yours.. You'll be fine in
time...it's a great healer. In the meantime I'll leave you to rattle your
cage in peace, and prattle on, by yourself. Another English trait.

Keep Wok~ing.....Cher

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:58:28 GMT, "cher"
> wrote:

>Sprinkle bicarbinate of soda, around the sink plug hole, and then pour some
>white vinegar ontop....this will fizz up and slowly go down the
>drain....taking all the grease and yuk with it.

I'm not entirely convinced of this, but I'll think about giving it a try.
When you mix vinegar with baking soda (another name for it here, don't know
if you call it that there), you get salt and water. Vinegar is an acid and
baking soda is a base, and when the two mix, salt and water is the result.
So it seems unlikely to me that salt water alone can cut through
grease, but it's vaguely possible that the reaction between the two
accomplishes something, so I'll give it a shot and see what happens.

--
Siobhan Perricone
Humans wrote the bible,
God wrote the rocks
-- Word of God by Kathy Mar

I have done this over here in the UK once a year for years, down the 'plug
hole' of my stainless steel sink.
Now having a new kitchen fitted, and therefore sink and draining board,
when the pipes came out of the wall etc, I inspected them, no slime or
anything in them....whether this is because of the vinegar mix or not I dont
know, but they were clean and the plastic parts still supple etc, and didn't
need replacing at all. I guess too that alot of it has to do with your
water... soft or hard etc.

Some people use bleach down their sinks, I don't think I'd want to use
anything too harsh, our bleaches are really strong over here.

I find lemon also helpful.

Keep Wok~ing........Cher



"Siobhan Perricone" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:58:28 GMT, "cher"
> > wrote:
>
> >Sprinkle bicarbinate of soda, around the sink plug hole, and then pour
some
> >white vinegar ontop....this will fizz up and slowly go down the
> >drain....taking all the grease and yuk with it.
>
> I'm not entirely convinced of this, but I'll think about giving it a try.
> When you mix vinegar with baking soda (another name for it here, don't
know
> if you call it that there), you get salt and water. Vinegar is an acid and
> baking soda is a base, and when the two mix, salt and water is the result.
> So it seems unlikely to me that salt water alone can cut through
> grease, but it's vaguely possible that the reaction between the two
> accomplishes something, so I'll give it a shot and see what happens.
>
> --
> Siobhan Perricone
> Humans wrote the bible,
> God wrote the rocks
> -- Word of God by Kathy Mar

"cher" > wrote in message
...
> > Last I knew, it's called a drain in the UK.<
>
> Is it???? good grief, and I was born and bred here believing that the
drain
> is the outside bit....the hole in the sink with the plug in it leading to
> the drain, a plug hole. I must try to let everyone here in England know
> we've all been wrong all these years, and that those of us using this
term,
> must now use the U.S. term of drain.. Although I expect some do use
this,
> depending on how long they've lived in England, and what part they come
> from.

ROTFL...amen, Cher....

Although I also should note that I have a good friend who
recently moved to the U.S. from Greenock, Scotland, and I
have occasionally (when we're both in the S.F. Bay area, attending
the meetings of a standards group we both attend) been pressed
into service as a translator for him - going between his version
of the Queen's English and Californian (which is another very
distinct dialect all its own...:-)).

The joys of being two peoples, forever separated by a "common"
language....;-)


> >>English Major in me<<

Well, possibly the American English major....


Bob M.

"When you mix vinegar with baking soda (another name for it here, don't
know
if you call it that there), you get salt and water."
Where does the carbon (it's in both vinegar and baking soda, but not in
water or common salts) go?

I know a fair few People from Scotland. My first experience was when I'd
offered a friends dad a cuppa, and he had said yes. So I got the tea, and
gave it to him, offering him the biscuit barrel, he shook his head, and
waved it away, saying something that sounded like, wye eye naw akkapeice
lassy, took me ages to work out what it was he was saying, and when I
finally got through his broad accent, and repeated to him.. ''Piece? Piece
of what?''
looking dumbfounded, my friend then came back from the bathroom and said,
'Auck dunne mynde heem noooo .. tis a piece of bread with jame on it lassy'
I'd never heard of it before, but apparently he'd been brought up to accept
a cuppa with a jam sandwich....I had to chuckle at this, and now understood
why he'd refused the biscuit barrel. LOL.

Keep on wok~ing.....Cher


> > ROTFL...amen, Cher....<
>
> Although I also should note that I have a good friend who
> recently moved to the U.S. from Greenock, Scotland, and I
> have occasionally (when we're both in the S.F. Bay area, attending
> the meetings of a standards group we both attend) been pressed
> into service as a translator for him - going between his version
> of the Queen's English and Californian (which is another very
> distinct dialect all its own...:-)).<<<
>
> The joys of being two peoples, forever separated by a "common"
> language....;-)<<

>
> Well, possibly the American English major....
>
>
> Bob M.
>
>

"cher" > wrote in message
...
> > Last I knew, it's called a drain in the UK.<
>
> Is it???? good grief, and I was born and bred here believing that the
drain
> is the outside bit....

Not at all. The "drains" are the entire system for waste water. A drain is
any opening or part of a receptor of waste water. The "outside bit" can be a
drain as part of the whole drains system.

> the hole in the sink with the plug in it leading to
> the drain, a plug hole.

That used to be a frequent, but not widely used terminology in the UK. It is
a rather common, though not vulgar, term.

> I must try to let everyone here in England know
> we've all been wrong all these years, and that those of us using this
term,
> must now use the U.S. term of drain..

As sarcasm goes, this is a very poor attempt. Sorry.

> Although I expect some do use this,
> depending on how long they've lived in England, and what part they come
from.

That's better.

> You'd be flipping lost if I spoke in true English Cockney or one of the
> Shire's Gaelic tongues.

I doubt it. Are you a Cockney? That is a very specific term. There are no
Gaelic toungues in the Shires. Forms of Celtic are spoken in Wales and
Cornwall. Gaelic (derived from Irish Gaeilge) is spoken in Scotland. No
celtic language has been spoken in England since the arrival of the Saxons.

Charlie

"Bob (this one)" > wrote in message
...
>
> My reply to "get over it" is usually along the order of "Bite me."

Bob, my only comment here is that I am evidentally more fussy about who I
invite to "bite me" than you are. I have my standards and this intimate act
is not something I would wish to share with just anyone. Otherwise, your
post is well done!

Charlie

> I thought the original post was badly written, wrong about a lot and
> cheerfully perky instead of accurate and knowledgeable. It assumed a
> level of awareness much lower than is usually displayed here.
>
> Pastorio
>

"Charles Gifford" > wrote in
news
> > the hole in the sink with the plug in it leading to
> > the drain, a plug hole.
>
> That used to be a frequent, but not widely used terminology in the
> UK. It is a rather common, though not vulgar, term.
>
> > I must try to let everyone here in England know
> > we've all been wrong all these years, and that those of us using
> > this
> term,
> > must now use the U.S. term of drain..
>
> As sarcasm goes, this is a very poor attempt. Sorry.
>
> > Although I expect some do use this,
> > depending on how long they've lived in England, and what part
> > they come
> from.
>
> That's better.
>
> > You'd be flipping lost if I spoke in true English Cockney or one
> > of the Shire's Gaelic tongues.
>
> I doubt it. Are you a Cockney? That is a very specific term. There
> are no Gaelic toungues in the Shires. Forms of Celtic are spoken in
> Wales and Cornwall. Gaelic (derived from Irish Gaeilge) is spoken in
> Scotland. No celtic language has been spoken in England since the
> arrival of the Saxons.
>
> Charlie
>

It's a sink bung hole, anyways. I heard it on British Movies.

--
No Bread Crumbs were hurt in the making of this Meal.
Type 2 Diabetic 1AC 5.6mmol or 101mg/dl
Continuing to be Manitoban

cher wrote:
> Is it???? good grief, and I was born and bred here believing that the
drain
> is the outside bit....the hole in the sink with the plug in it leading to
> the drain, a plug hole. I must try to let everyone here in England know
> we've all been wrong all these years, and that those of us using this
term,
> must now use the U.S. term of drain..

Why yes, you absolutely must!!

<or drain hole... whichever one trips off the tongue the lightest>


> Although I expect some do use this,
> depending on how long they've lived in England, and what part they come
> from.

My husband, his parents, his sisters, his aunts, uncles and cousins, all
still living in Blitey, call it a drain or drain hole. The drain pipe is the
outdoors part, according to them.

<of course, I was puzzled for the longest time by what a "hose pipe" is...>


> You'd be flipping lost if I spoke in true English Cockney

No, I wouldn't. At's me bet'er ahfs palaver, innit. 'E's a merry old soul,
but you know.

<oh, wait... does that meat that when he says "drain hole" he means
something else entirely...>


> or one of the
> Shire's Gaelic tongues.

Sorry again. True, it dates back to my grands and greatgrands but been
there,done that.


> As to your comments on vinegar etc, it's not as if we do this regular
every
> day or week or even monthly...but it'll shift things even grease, to bring
> whatever back to clean again.....should you ever get your things to the
> state where ordinary suds won't shift it.

But keep in mind that it's doing it by removing layers of metal, not by
actually cutting grease.

If you've a grease problem that detergent wont lift, you've got a different
animal indeed.


> >>English Major in me<<
> Don't think there is ever the fear of you being that, much as you seem to
> think you are.

Uhhhhh, you've lost me. Was I an English major? Yes. Without question.

Was I an English major in a Gilbert and Sullivan kind of way? Well, no.
You've got me there.


> As to your term of Pedantic. You couldn't be more right, you are!

Of course I right! I can't help it! I'm an English major!

<and that would apply to the G&S type, too>


> Still each to their own, I'm sure you can't help it. and no doubt there
is
> a skeleton somewhere in that cupboard of yours..

Of course there are. Still, I'm always impressed when the rebuttal to
correction is to point toward the ironclad certainty of dark personal
secrets held by the corrector. It's a facinating projection tactic. Very
interesting, especially when my response to your post lends no indictments
of skeletons anywhere.


> You'll be fine in
> time...it's a great healer. In the meantime I'll leave you to rattle your
> cage in peace, and prattle on, by yourself. Another English trait.

Tell me about it!

Nice to meet you, Cher.

Hahabogus wrote:

> It's a sink bung hole, anyways. I heard it on British Movies.

Dirk Bogard wouldn't lie to us!

"salgud" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> "When you mix vinegar with baking soda (another name for it here, don't
> know
> if you call it that there), you get salt and water."
> Where does the carbon (it's in both vinegar and baking soda, but not in
> water or common salts) go?

Simple - the "fizz" is carbon dioxide.

Actually, with sodium bicarbonate and acetic acid (which is
the acid in vinegar), you do NOT get "salt" in the sense of
table salt (sodium chloride, NaCl); you get water plus
carbon dioxide (the gas bubbles) and sodium acetate.

Ordinary salt plus water results from a reaction betweeh
hydrochloric acid (HCl) and sodium hydroxide (lye, or
NaOH) - but you don't to try this as a means of making
salt water, as if you aren't very careful in balancing the
two original materials (both of which are pretty nasty
stuff), you'll wind up with a leftover amount of one or
the other.

Bob M.

> > I doubt it. Are you a Cockney? That is a very specific term. There
> > are no Gaelic toungues in the Shires. Forms of Celtic are spoken in
> > Wales and Cornwall. Gaelic (derived from Irish Gaeilge)

Ooooh nooooo none of the above....here..
.....whez, Dimpsey, and dumbledore. Wazzon?

Well that settles it..... a sink bung hole it is then....

> > It's a sink bung hole, anyways. I heard it on British Movies.
>
> Dirk Bogard wouldn't lie to us!
>
>

> > must now use the U.S. term of drain..
>
> Why yes, you absolutely must!!<
Oh I will...I will..

"Bite me."

Wow now there's an offer I can't refuse....

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:16:23 -0700, "Bob Myers"
> wrote:


>Although I also should note that I have a good friend who
>recently moved to the U.S. from Greenock, Scotland, and I
>have occasionally (when we're both in the S.F. Bay area, attending
>the meetings of a standards group we both attend) been pressed
>into service as a translator for him - going between his version
>of the Queen's English and Californian (which is another very
>distinct dialect all its own...:-)).

Do you mean Grenock on the Firth of Clyde?

I was there in about 1960, I spent a few months not understanding
people, and doing a lot of smiling and nodding my head.

The people were very nice to a bunch of young boys who could not
speak English, only American.

Pan Ohco

"Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
...

> Do you mean Grenock on the Firth of Clyde?

Possibly; I know it only as the site of an IBM facility, which
is where he worked while there. Myself, I've never been that
far north in the U.K.


Bob M.

"Hahabogus" > wrote in message
...
>
> It's a sink bung hole, anyways. I heard it on British Movies.
>

Hee, hee! Certainly makes sense to this ale drinker.

Charlie