NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
http://news.individual.net/


--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral, 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

The Cook wrote:
> NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
> http://news.individual.net/
>
>

BUMMER! Looks like I'm off on a quest for another usenet server. :-(

Thanks for the heads-up though!

--
Steve

Every job is a self-portrait of the person who did it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

Steve Calvin > wrote:

>The Cook wrote:
>> NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
>> http://news.individual.net/
>>
>>
>
>BUMMER! Looks like I'm off on a quest for another usenet server. :-(
>
>Thanks for the heads-up though!

The price is not bad. 10 EURO's/ year if paid annually. About $13.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral, 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

The Cook wrote:
> NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
> http://news.individual.net/


Crap. Here I was trying to get the company IT people to let that be an
available news server to help with our chronic usenet service problems.
Oh well.



Brian

On Tue 15 Feb 2005 11:21:57a, The Cook wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Steve Calvin > wrote:
>
>>The Cook wrote:
>>> NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
>>> http://news.individual.net/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>BUMMER! Looks like I'm off on a quest for another usenet server. :-(
>>
>>Thanks for the heads-up though!
>
> The price is not bad. 10 EURO's/ year if paid annually. About $13.

If I have to pay, I might as well subscribe to one that supports binaries.
MSN's lack of Usenet support reallyi sucks!

Wayne

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Tue 15 Feb 2005 11:21:57a, The Cook wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>
>>Steve Calvin > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>>NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
>>>>http://news.individual.net/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>BUMMER! Looks like I'm off on a quest for another usenet server. :-(
>>>
>>>Thanks for the heads-up though!
>>
>>The price is not bad. 10 EURO's/ year if paid annually. About $13.
>
>
> If I have to pay, I might as well subscribe to one that supports binaries.
> MSN's lack of Usenet support reallyi sucks!
>
> Wayne
exactly what I though Wayne.

--
Steve

Ever wonder about those people who spend $2.00 apiece on those little
bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

Dog3 wrote:

> The Cook > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
>>http://news.individual.net/
>>
>>
>
>
> Damned. I wonder if their sponsors crapped out on them or not. Hmmm... If I
> hear of any new free service, I will post it.
>
> Michael
>

I will too. Between all of us, we should be able to find something.

--
Steve

Ever wonder about those people who spend $2.00 apiece on those little
bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:54:23 -0500, The Cook >
wrote:

>NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
>http://news.individual.net/

Oh bugger... I like the way they were so nice about letting everyone
know about this (not) Anyone know of any other free newsservers?

~Karen aka Kajikit
Lover of fine chocolate, fun crafts, and furry felines
http://www.kajikitscorner.com
*remove 'nospam' to reply

In article >,
wrote:

> NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
> http://news.individual.net/

I see the info on their homepage; how'd you hear about it?
Price sure seems fair enough and I've been pleased with their service
for three years or so. That it was free of charge was just a bonus.
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Sam pics added 2-7-05.
"I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and
say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner,
performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005.

Karen AKA Kajikit wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:54:23 -0500, The Cook >
> wrote:
>
>
>>NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
>>http://news.individual.net/
>
>
> Oh bugger... I like the way they were so nice about letting everyone
> know about this (not) Anyone know of any other free newsservers?
>
> ~Karen aka Kajikit
> Lover of fine chocolate, fun crafts, and furry felines
> http://www.kajikitscorner.com
> *remove 'nospam' to reply


I got an email from them about an hour ago.

For 10 € per year, I'll probably keep using it -- if they will accept
payment in dollars.

Bob

The Cook >, if that's their real name, wrote:

>NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
>http://news.individual.net/

Looks like I'm gonna be going back to Charter. It comes with the internet
package, and I have no problem with it, except that there are a LOT of
double posts. It just got annoying.

Thanks for letting us know!
Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

>In article >,
wrote:
>
>> NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
>> http://news.individual.net/
>
>I see the info on their homepage; how'd you hear about it?
>Price sure seems fair enough and I've been pleased with their service
>for three years or so. That it was free of charge was just a bonus.


Someone in another newsgroup posted the info. I think I will keep it
too. I manage to blow $13 on less useful things.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral, 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:59:26 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>In article >,
wrote:
>
>> NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
>> http://news.individual.net/
>
>I see the info on their homepage; how'd you hear about it?
>Price sure seems fair enough and I've been pleased with their service
>for three years or so. That it was free of charge was just a bonus.

They emailed me today. I've been letting my Individual.net account
slide, anyway, even though it appears many of my posts via koyote.com
don't get broadcast very widely.

OBFood: D made mashed cauliflower as a side for tonight's baked
tilapia dinner. Surprisingly good.


modom

Only superficial people don't judge by appearances.
-- Oscar Wilde

Dog3 wrote:

> The Cook > wrote in
> :
>
> > NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
> > http://news.individual.net/
> >
> >
>
> Damned. I wonder if their sponsors crapped out on them or not. Hmmm... If
I
> hear of any new free service, I will post it.


AFAIK it's run out of a university in Berlin, it never really had commercial
sponsors.

I don't know of any free Usenet service still extant.

--
Best
Greg

Dog3 wrote:
> The Cook > wrote in
> :
>
> > NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
> > http://news.individual.net/
> >
> >
>
> Damned. I wonder if their sponsors crapped out on them or not.
Hmmm... If I
> hear of any new free service, I will post it.


My hypothesis is that it's more fallout from AOL canceling usenet
service. Lots and lots of AOLers looking around for an alternative,
people recommending the German server, waves of new applicants, etc.




Brian

Dog3 wrote:
> "Default User" > wrote in
> ups.com:

> > My hypothesis is that it's more fallout from AOL canceling usenet
> > service. Lots and lots of AOLers looking around for an alternative,
> > people recommending the German server, waves of new applicants,
etc.

>
> You may very well be right. I don't know if you were using Usenet 15
years
> ago but if you were; Remember the immediate impact Usenet experienced
when
> AOL turned millions loose on Usenet? OMG.

I wasn't on usenet for the beginning of the Endless September. My first
lil post was to alt.test, Nov 29 1994.


Brian

In article >,
says...
> The Cook >, if that's their real name, wrote:
>
> >NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
> >http://news.individual.net/
>
> Looks like I'm gonna be going back to Charter. It comes with the internet
> package, and I have no problem with it, except that there are a LOT of
> double posts. It just got annoying.
>
> Thanks for letting us know!
> Carol
>

I'm watching everything going on with NNTP/Usenet access and can
honestly say that I think it's a dying forum.

Blogs have pretty much killed it.

Tony P. wrote:

> I'm watching everything going on with NNTP/Usenet access and can
> honestly say that I think it's a dying forum.
>
> Blogs have pretty much killed it.


But binaries are apparently thriving...

Blog frankly bore me, there is no interaction. I can go to a bar and listen
to some drunk drone on, it's about the same thing...

--
Best
Greg

In article t>,
says...
>
> Tony P. wrote:
>
> > I'm watching everything going on with NNTP/Usenet access and can
> > honestly say that I think it's a dying forum.
> >
> > Blogs have pretty much killed it.
>
>
> But binaries are apparently thriving...
>
> Blog frankly bore me, there is no interaction. I can go to a bar and listen
> to some drunk drone on, it's about the same thing...

Not nearly as many as are traded via IRC on a regular basis.

Even IRC seems to have died a horrible death. If it isn't overrun by
binaries, it's filled with bots of various types, trivia being the
preferred.

I can remember my first exposure to 'IRC', which at the time was BitNet
chat back in the late 80's. I made a lot of good real-life friends via
it. But now things being what they are, I hardly use IRC.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:16:02 -0500, Tony P. wrote:

> I'm watching everything going on with NNTP/Usenet access and can
> honestly say that I think it's a dying forum.

As I understand it, the majority of the income that ISPs generate come from
their business customers. Those customers have no need for Usenet so it's
not promoted. Consequently, most home users either don't know that Usenet
exists or don't know what it's for.

Usenet isn't a money-generating service and is poorly supported by most
ISPs. Some, AOL being a good example, are even dropping it. The only
people making money off of Usenet are those businesses whose sole job is to
offer it.

The availability of broadband service is also killing Usenet. Usenet was
never really designed to offer binaries - it's basically a text service.
But with so many people posting and downloading mp3s, video and porno, the
infrastructure in place to support the text groups are being overburdened
by those customers who are trading in binaries. It's putting the ISPs in
the awkward position of having to decide whether or not to outlay the cash
to upgrade a service most of their customers don't use or dropping it all
together.

Mark my words - in a few more years all of the ISPs will be outsourcing
Usenet service.

--

-Jeff B.
zoomie at fastmail dot fm

The Cook > wrote:

>NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
>http://news.individual.net/
And good luck. I cruised around in half-ernest over 2 days trying to
figure out the stupid clicknet routine. You have to give them credit
card info before you can even get a login id. And, today, somehow I
ended up at a page that said I had mis-keyed login data too many
times. It then sent me to a page which switched from English to
German, where I knew just enough from high school to see that they
were asking for my mother's maiden name and birthdate. Could this
possibly have been an elaborate identity theft scheme from the
beginning. I find it hard to believe, but the evidence . . . .

On Wed 16 Feb 2005 08:03:19p, Yeff wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:16:02 -0500, Tony P. wrote:
>
>> I'm watching everything going on with NNTP/Usenet access and can
>> honestly say that I think it's a dying forum.
>
> As I understand it, the majority of the income that ISPs generate come from
> their business customers. Those customers have no need for Usenet so it's
> not promoted. Consequently, most home users either don't know that Usenet
> exists or don't know what it's for.
>
> Usenet isn't a money-generating service and is poorly supported by most
> ISPs. Some, AOL being a good example, are even dropping it. The only
> people making money off of Usenet are those businesses whose sole job is to
> offer it.
>
> The availability of broadband service is also killing Usenet. Usenet was
> never really designed to offer binaries - it's basically a text service.
> But with so many people posting and downloading mp3s, video and porno, the
> infrastructure in place to support the text groups are being overburdened
> by those customers who are trading in binaries. It's putting the ISPs in
> the awkward position of having to decide whether or not to outlay the cash
> to upgrade a service most of their customers don't use or dropping it all
> together.
>
> Mark my words - in a few more years all of the ISPs will be outsourcing
> Usenet service.
>

MSN dropped their general Usenet service, which wasn't very good to begin
with. They only offer MS-related groups now. AT&T and Earthlink seem to
still have decent offerings.

Wayne

Wayne Boatwright >, if that's their real name, wrote:

>MSN dropped their general Usenet service, which wasn't very good to begin
>with. They only offer MS-related groups now. AT&T and Earthlink seem to
>still have decent offerings.

Charter cable has good service, too. My only problem with them is that I
get a lot of double posts.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

The Cook > wrote:

>NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
>http://news.individual.net/
OK, I went for it, against my better judgement. Received 3
confirmation emails from Clickgate and one from Individual.net,
assuring me that all is well. I spent several years searching out
free usenet servers. It was OK, except that every so often, the one I
was using would disappear and the search would be on again, screwing
up my newsreader with thousands of old posts. NIN isn't the best
place in the world, doesn't carry all the newsgroups. But my
experience over the last couple of years is that it's fast, reliable
(even when run as a volunteer venture) and it carries the few groups I
WANT. So, today, the euro translated to $13.55 US for a year of
service. Not exactly something to lose sleep over. And if you click
"United States" to start, you end up (although you won't realize it at
the time) dealing with Clickgate International, a firm in New York
City, New York. YMMV.

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 01:39:14 GMT,
(TheAlligator) wrote:

> The Cook > wrote:
>
> >NIN will no longer be free after April 1, 2005.
> >http://news.individual.net/
> OK, I went for it, against my better judgement. Received 3
> confirmation emails from Clickgate and one from Individual.net,
> assuring me that all is well. I spent several years searching out
> free usenet servers. It was OK, except that every so often, the one I
> was using would disappear and the search would be on again, screwing
> up my newsreader with thousands of old posts. NIN isn't the best
> place in the world, doesn't carry all the newsgroups. But my
> experience over the last couple of years is that it's fast, reliable
> (even when run as a volunteer venture) and it carries the few groups I
> WANT. So, today, the euro translated to $13.55 US for a year of
> service. Not exactly something to lose sleep over. And if you click
> "United States" to start, you end up (although you won't realize it at
> the time) dealing with Clickgate International, a firm in New York
> City, New York. YMMV.


Not being an individual.net subscriber, I don't know what
you don't like about Clikgate. But if you're alarmed, you
may want to try this:
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

sf

sf > wrote:
>Not being an individual.net subscriber, I don't know what
>you don't like about Clikgate. But if you're alarmed, you
>may want to try this:
>http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
>
>sf
Honestly, I had never heard of them. I'm always very concerned about
giving out my credit card number, especially to what I thought was
another country, where God only knows the jurisdictional pitfalls.
Thanks for the link.

sf > wrote:
OK, I went to the link you gave me, expecting it to be about clicknet.
I'm not sure what the connection is but I still thank you for the
link. Using the hosts file for blocking is common, but this is a much
more interesting and useable approach - I'll give it a thorough read.

Tony P. wrote:

> I can remember my first exposure to 'IRC', which at the time was BitNet
> chat back in the late 80's. I made a lot of good real-life friends via
> it. But now things being what they are, I hardly use IRC.

I met my husband via Bitnet in 1984. Been married almost 20 years, so I
guess it worked. :-)

--Charlene

--
Our fathers claimed, by obvious madness moved,
Man's innocent until his guilt is proved.
They would have known, had they not been confused,
He's innocent until he is accused.
--Ogden Nash, You Can't Get There From Here


email perronnelle at earthlink . net

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 02:12:26 GMT,
(TheAlligator) wrote:

> sf > wrote:

> OK, I went to the link you gave me, expecting it to be about clicknet.

You didn't explain anything about clicknet and I told you
explicitly that I didn't know what it was. The website I
gave you clearly states the HOSTS file blocks known ads,
banners, cookies, web bugs, and most hijackers.

However, if Clicknet is anything like Verisign - you're all
a-twitter about nothing.

> I'm not sure what the connection is

You didn't explain what clicknet was - so I had to guess.

> but I still thank you for the link. Using the hosts file
> for blocking is common, but this is a much more interesting
> and useable approach - I'll give it a thorough read.

Most people alter their HOSTS file to block only a few
sites. This one blocks a multitude, so you'll be glad if
you decide to use it. Best of all, it notifies you of
updates!


sf

sf > wrote:
Sorry about the confusion. You probably didn't see earlier posts and
I didn't include enough info in mine. The thread was about
news.individual.net not being free anymore. Now, you have to pay for
it through Clicknet, which I had never heard of. I was a little
concerned about a credit card purchase with an unknown in a different
country. If it was a major company name, it wouldn't bother me. Now
I see where we got our wires crossed. Thanks again for the link.