Do lobsters feel pain when they are boiled? A new study says "no"

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science....ap/index.html

I am sure that PETA and like minded people will be very disappointed at
this. One less thing to nag about.

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In article > ,
"Peter Aitken" > wrote:

> Do lobsters feel pain when they are boiled? A new study says "no"
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science....ap/index.html
>
> I am sure that PETA and like minded people will be very disappointed at
> this. One less thing to nag about.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken

The article does not show any proof.
It just says that it's "unlikely".

I, for one, start my crustaceans in cold water and bring it up
to a boil. I never see thrashing around or struggling when I
do that. I think they have a better texture too.

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:16:39 -0600, Katra
> wrote:

>I, for one, start my crustaceans in cold water and bring it up
>to a boil. I never see thrashing around or struggling when I
>do that. I think they have a better texture too.
>
>--
>K.

Howdy,

Perhaps this is what you are describing, but...

You are likely to get better taste if you put 'em in about a
half inch of cold water, and then heat that to steam.

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Kenneth wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:16:39 -0600, Katra
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I, for one, start my crustaceans in cold water and bring it up
>>to a boil. I never see thrashing around or struggling when I
>>do that. I think they have a better texture too.
>>
>>--
>>K.
>
>
> Howdy,
>
> Perhaps this is what you are describing, but...
>
> You are likely to get better taste if you put 'em in about a
> half inch of cold water, and then heat that to steam.
>

Yup. The only other thing I do, and I don't know it matters or not
it's just more habit than anything, is to toss 'em into the freezer
for 20 minutes or so.

--
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bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

Peter Aitken wrote:
> Do lobsters feel pain when they are boiled? A new study says "no"
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science....ap/index.html
>
> I am sure that PETA and like minded people will be very disappointed
at
> this. One less thing to nag about.

I doubt it. You imply that PETA fanatics are open to learning. There
is no evidence of that.

-aem

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
. com...
> Do lobsters feel pain when they are boiled? A new study says "no"
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science....ap/index.html
>
> I am sure that PETA and like minded people will be very disappointed at
> this. One less thing to nag about.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken

The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who still hunt
whales for food.

Charlie

mmmmm...whale

Charles Gifford wrote:
>
> The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
still hunt
> whales for food.
>
> Charlie

Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000. Since
they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
differ from eating a land mammal?

-aem

In article >,
Kenneth > wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:16:39 -0600, Katra
> > wrote:
>
> >I, for one, start my crustaceans in cold water and bring it up
> >to a boil. I never see thrashing around or struggling when I
> >do that. I think they have a better texture too.
> >
> >--
> >K.
>
> Howdy,
>
> Perhaps this is what you are describing, but...
>
> You are likely to get better taste if you put 'em in about a
> half inch of cold water, and then heat that to steam.

Actually, I immerse them in cold water...

Never tried steaming live ones.

D'you really think it would make a big difference?
They come out tender and juicy when I do it this way!

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In article .com>,
"aem" > wrote:

> Charles Gifford wrote:
> >
> > The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
> still hunt
> > whales for food.
> >
> > Charlie
>
> Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
> population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000. Since
> they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
> differ from eating a land mammal?
>
> -aem
>

Sea mammals are sentient.

It's tantamount to cannabalism.......

Just MHO.

:-P

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:31:26 -0600, Katra
> wrote:

>Actually, I immerse them in cold water...
>
>Never tried steaming live ones.
>
>D'you really think it would make a big difference?
>They come out tender and juicy when I do it this way!
>
>--
>K.

Hi again,

The problem (if you want to call it that) is that you are
making a large volume of "lobster broth" and then (probably)
throwing it away.

All the best,

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"Kenneth" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:31:26 -0600, Katra
> > wrote:
>
>>Actually, I immerse them in cold water...
>>
>>Never tried steaming live ones.
>>
>>D'you really think it would make a big difference?
>>They come out tender and juicy when I do it this way!
>>
>>--
>>K.
>
> Hi again,
>
> The problem (if you want to call it that) is that you are
> making a large volume of "lobster broth" and then (probably)
> throwing it away.
>

I think there's something to what you say. I always boiled lobsters but the
other night I steamed them and they seemed unusually good. Not to mention
saving a lot of energy!


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"Katra" > wrote in message
...
> In article .com>,
> "aem" > wrote:
>
>> Charles Gifford wrote:
>> >
>> > The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
>> still hunt
>> > whales for food.
>> >
>> > Charlie
>>
>> Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
>> population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000. Since
>> they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
>> differ from eating a land mammal?
>>
>> -aem
>>
>
> Sea mammals are sentient.
>
> It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
>
> Just MHO.

Cannabalism is defined as eating one's own species.


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Katra wrote:
> In article .com>,
> "aem" > wrote:
>
> > Charles Gifford wrote:
> > >
> > > The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
> > still hunt whales for food.
> > >
> > > Charlie
> >
> > Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
> > population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000.
Since
> > they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
> > differ from eating a land mammal?
> >
> > -aem
> >
> Sea mammals are sentient.
>
> It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
>
> Just MHO.
>
> :-P

You are entitled to your opinion, and it is shared by many others. I
don't agree with it, but that's just MHO. Land mammals are sentient,
too. I was just tweaking Charlie, who wrote "...people who still hunt
whales for food" as though that were a self-evident refutation of
anything the Norwegian government says or does.

Don't ever read The Secret Life of Plants or you may wind up with
nothing left to eat. <smile>

-aem

In article >,
Kenneth > wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:31:26 -0600, Katra
> > wrote:
>
> >Actually, I immerse them in cold water...
> >
> >Never tried steaming live ones.
> >
> >D'you really think it would make a big difference?
> >They come out tender and juicy when I do it this way!
> >
> >--
> >K.
>
> Hi again,
>
> The problem (if you want to call it that) is that you are
> making a large volume of "lobster broth" and then (probably)
> throwing it away.
>
> All the best,

Mmm... I'd like to agree, but, they don't stay in long enough to make a
broth. ;-)
The water comes up to a boil, the lobster turns bright red and they are
done!

But, thanks!

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In article > ,
"Peter Aitken" > wrote:

> "Katra" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article .com>,
> > "aem" > wrote:
> >
> >> Charles Gifford wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
> >> still hunt
> >> > whales for food.
> >> >
> >> > Charlie
> >>
> >> Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
> >> population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000. Since
> >> they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
> >> differ from eating a land mammal?
> >>
> >> -aem
> >>
> >
> > Sea mammals are sentient.
> >
> > It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
> >
> > Just MHO.
>
> Cannabalism is defined as eating one's own species.

Considering the tiny difference in genetics, you are... ;-)


Besides, if you read the above, I said it was "Tantamount" to
cannabalism, not that it actually was!

It just means that there is not a lof of difference between cannabalism
and consuming a sentient, intelligent being. Kinda like eating a space
alien. ;-)

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In article .com>,
"aem" > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
> > In article .com>,
> > "aem" > wrote:
> >
> > > Charles Gifford wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
> > > still hunt whales for food.
> > > >
> > > > Charlie
> > >
> > > Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
> > > population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000.
> Since
> > > they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
> > > differ from eating a land mammal?
> > >
> > > -aem
> > >
> > Sea mammals are sentient.
> >
> > It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
> >
> > Just MHO.
> >
> > :-P
>
> You are entitled to your opinion, and it is shared by many others. I
> don't agree with it, but that's just MHO. Land mammals are sentient,
> too.

The only land mammals that are sentient AFAIK are primates.

> I was just tweaking Charlie, who wrote "...people who still hunt
> whales for food" as though that were a self-evident refutation of
> anything the Norwegian government says or does.
>
> Don't ever read The Secret Life of Plants or you may wind up with
> nothing left to eat. <smile>

Oh I'm a carnivoir, and even kill my own meat sometimes!
I just cannot bring myself to eat a fellow sentient.
Whales and dophins are the "humans" of the sea!


>
> -aem
>

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Katra wrote:
> aem wrote:
> > Katra wrote:
> > > aem wrote:
>
> > > > how does eating a sea mammal
> > > > differ from eating a land mammal?
>
> > > Sea mammals are sentient.
> > > It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
> > > Just MHO.
>
> > You are entitled to your opinion, and it is shared by many others.
I
> > don't agree with it, but that's just MHO. Land mammals are
sentient,
> > too.
>
> The only land mammals that are sentient AFAIK are primates.

"Sentient" is poorly defined and/or very-poorly measured. What
is a thinking being to one person is a steak in the wild to
another person. There is no realistic way to tell and it
appears to be very much a sliding scale. Where's the line
drawn? Everyone needs to draw the line on their own. Some
will draw it with only humans above the line, some will have
porpoises above the line whales below the line, some will have
all cetaceans above the line.

So what about seals and sealions? Are they above or below the
line for you? For me they are below the line but there's also
the issue that seal meat is rarely found where I live so it
doesn't effect me accept in an academic discussion.

The stance taken by some PETA extremists is inconsistant in
that they must draw the line as well and just why are bugs
thinking and trees not thinking ...

Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Katra wrote:
>
>>aem wrote:
>>
>>>Katra wrote:
>>>
>>>>aem wrote:
>>
>>>>>how does eating a sea mammal
>>>>>differ from eating a land mammal?
>>
>>>>Sea mammals are sentient.
>>>>It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
>>>>Just MHO.
>>
<snip>

Lobsters ain't nothing more than the cockroaches of the seas.
Cannabalism?? Me dunthinso.

As for cookin' them bad boys (actually I prefer the ladies) try the
steaming method as opposed to the boiling. It does make quite a
difference, well to us anyhow.

--
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bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

"Katra" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "Peter Aitken" > wrote:
>
>> "Katra" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article .com>,
>> > "aem" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Charles Gifford wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
>> >> still hunt
>> >> > whales for food.
>> >> >
>> >> > Charlie
>> >>
>> >> Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
>> >> population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000.
>> >> Since
>> >> they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
>> >> differ from eating a land mammal?
>> >>
>> >> -aem
>> >>
>> >
>> > Sea mammals are sentient.
>> >
>> > It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
>> >
>> > Just MHO.
>>
>> Cannabalism is defined as eating one's own species.
>
> Considering the tiny difference in genetics, you are... ;-)
>
>
> Besides, if you read the above, I said it was "Tantamount" to
> cannabalism, not that it actually was!
>
> It just means that there is not a lof of difference between cannabalism
> and consuming a sentient, intelligent being. Kinda like eating a space
> alien. ;-)
>
> --

I understand your point.


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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:38:55 -0600, Katra
> wrote:

>Mmm... I'd like to agree, but, they don't stay in long enough to make a
>broth. ;-)
>The water comes up to a boil, the lobster turns bright red and they are
>done!
>
>But, thanks!

Hello again,

It wastes energy, and (as several people have advised)
decreases the flavor of the lobster.

But, I guess you see some benefit...

What is it?

Thanks,

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"aem" > wrote in message
oups.com...
<snip>
> I was just tweaking Charlie,

Tweak me would you? Gadzooks!

> Don't ever read The Secret Life of Plants or you may wind up with
> nothing left to eat. <smile>

Ooooo! That sounds quite subversive. Well, well --- the moral highground is
often rocky. <grin>

Charlie, who admires Norge and greatly admires certain Norweigan individuals
but looks somewhat askance at their traditional cuisine


> -aem
>

"Steve Calvin" > wrote in message
...
>
> Lobsters ain't nothing more than the cockroaches of the seas.
> Cannabalism?? Me dunthinso.

They are closer to spiders I think. Ghastly creatures!

> As for cookin' them bad boys (actually I prefer the ladies) try the
> steaming method as opposed to the boiling. It does make quite a
> difference, well to us anyhow.
>
> --
> Steve

A quick plunge of your chef's knife just behind the head immediately before
putting it in the pot will help.

The last time I cooked one (2 actually), I cut off it's head, cut the body
in half lengthwise and pulled off the pinchers and legs. I removed the few
inedible parts and discarded the head. The lobster parts I then braised in a
small amount of Italian dry white wine with some olive oil, green onion,
garlic, salt and, toward the end, parsley until the lobster turned color and
was cooked through. Served with some angel hair pasta and I had a dish that
was enjoyed by my guests. I had plain pasta.

Charlie, who doan eat no spiders.

Boling lobsters reminds me of the story Julia Childs (sorry to lose
her!) told a woman's group she spoke to in Aspen a few years ago. She
told the group she had found a painless way to cook lobster. She put
them live in the microwave. Naturally, one audience member asked her
how she knew when they were done. Julia replied, "When they stop
banging on the microwave door!"
Only Julia!

"salgud" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Boling lobsters reminds me of the story Julia Childs (sorry to lose
> her!) told a woman's group she spoke to in Aspen a few years ago. She
> told the group she had found a painless way to cook lobster. She put
> them live in the microwave. Naturally, one audience member asked her
> how she knew when they were done. Julia replied, "When they stop
> banging on the microwave door!"
> Only Julia!


A minor point, but: it's Child

But I agree - she was a real treasure who is missed.

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Charles Gifford wrote:

> "Steve Calvin" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Lobsters ain't nothing more than the cockroaches of the seas.
>>Cannabalism?? Me dunthinso.
>
>
> They are closer to spiders I think. Ghastly creatures!
>

Yeah but, ohhh so tasty ;-)

>
>
> A quick plunge of your chef's knife just behind the head immediately before
> putting it in the pot will help.

I know that's true but I just can't bring myself to do it. For some
reason I have no problem steamin' em though. <shrug>


--
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bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:18:38 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> wrote:

>"Kenneth" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:31:26 -0600, Katra
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Actually, I immerse them in cold water...
>>>
>>>Never tried steaming live ones.
>>>
>>>D'you really think it would make a big difference?
>>>They come out tender and juicy when I do it this way!
>>>
>>>--
>>>K.
>>
>> Hi again,
>>
>> The problem (if you want to call it that) is that you are
>> making a large volume of "lobster broth" and then (probably)
>> throwing it away.
>>
>
>I think there's something to what you say. I always boiled lobsters but the
>other night I steamed them and they seemed unusually good. Not to mention
>saving a lot of energy!

We mostly eat lobsters when we are on our sailboat in Maine. We can
only steam them, because a boat stove can't really boil a big pot of
water. We like the steamed way better than the usual boiled in water.

Poaching in a carefully-made _court_bouillon_ might persuade me
otherwise. But not in a boat.




Rodney Myrvaagnes Opionated old geezer

Faith-based economics: It's deja voodoo all over again

In article >,
Steve Calvin > wrote:

> Doug Freyburger wrote:
> > Katra wrote:
> >
> >>aem wrote:
> >>
> >>>Katra wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>aem wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>how does eating a sea mammal
> >>>>>differ from eating a land mammal?
> >>
> >>>>Sea mammals are sentient.
> >>>>It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
> >>>>Just MHO.
> >>
> <snip>
>
> Lobsters ain't nothing more than the cockroaches of the seas.
> Cannabalism?? Me dunthinso.

I never said Lobsters were sentient, but I do think they can feel pain.
;-)

>
> As for cookin' them bad boys (actually I prefer the ladies) try the
> steaming method as opposed to the boiling. It does make quite a
> difference, well to us anyhow.

I'll have to give that a shot.
If I start with cold water, it's probably no worset than bringing a pot
of cold water to a boil!

I'll report next time I can afford live crustaceans. ;-)

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On 16 Feb 2005 09:30:14 -0800, "aem" > wrote:

<snip>

>Don't ever read The Secret Life of Plants or you may wind up with
>nothing left to eat. <smile>

When my younger sister was about 7 or 8, my father planted a gaZILLION
tomato plants in the backyard (and promptly went TDY for 3 months to
Zaragosa, leaving my much PO'd mother in charge of the plants). I was
12 or 13 and striving to be the largest PITA sister I could possibly
be and about that time I read somewhere that tomatoes, when pulled off
the vine, make a detectable sound which the writer fancifully implied
was akin to a scream. Of course, I promptly shared this with her as we
were on tomato picking duty and demonstrated, as I pulled tomatoes off
the vine, how the tomatoes were likely reacting (OW! Screech! Nooooo!,
etc.). Her reaction was vastly entertaining at the time.

As for the gazillion tomato plants, by the time my father got back
from Spain, we had tomatoes running rampant. Peddled them all over the
neighborhood and the base. Mother made *gallons* of tomato juice b/c
it used a *lot* of tomatoes per quart, as well as tomato sauce,chili
sauce, canned tomatoes and, my personal favorite: would pay me to pick
them, put them in grocery bags and sneak them into the neighbor's
garbage cans on trash day. Wish I'd thought of setting up a tomato
stand...

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA


"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:15:15 -0600, Katra
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Steve Calvin > wrote:
>
>> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> > Katra wrote:
>> >
>> >>aem wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Katra wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>aem wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>>how does eating a sea mammal
>> >>>>>differ from eating a land mammal?
>> >>
>> >>>>Sea mammals are sentient.
>> >>>>It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
>> >>>>Just MHO.
>> >>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Lobsters ain't nothing more than the cockroaches of the seas.
>> Cannabalism?? Me dunthinso.
>
>I never said Lobsters were sentient, but I do think they can feel pain.
>;-)
>
>>
>> As for cookin' them bad boys (actually I prefer the ladies) try the
>> steaming method as opposed to the boiling. It does make quite a
>> difference, well to us anyhow.
>
>I'll have to give that a shot.
>If I start with cold water, it's probably no worset than bringing a pot
>of cold water to a boil!
>
>I'll report next time I can afford live crustaceans. ;-)

If you steam them, as the water boils without them, hod each lobster
in the steam momentarily over the pot. It will go limp immediately
before you put it in.


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Faith-based economics: It's deja voodoo all over again

On 17 Feb 2005 18:06:45 GMT, "Drew Cutter" > wrote:

>Don't want to spoil the party . But there is a disease that affecting
>lobster off of Maine. You can still eat lobster meat , But this disease is
>affect their shell. These lobster look like hell.
>
I often reserve the water in which I've boiled lobster to make lobster
bisque with the leftover meat. Does the disease make the shells
unusable in this instance? Suppose not, if it doesn't affect the
meat...?

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA


"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

Squeaks wrote:

>>Don't want to spoil the party . But there is a disease that affecting
>>lobster off of Maine. You can still eat lobster meat , But this disease is
>>affect their shell. These lobster look like hell.
>>
> I often reserve the water in which I've boiled lobster to make lobster
> bisque with the leftover meat. Does the disease make the shells
> unusable in this instance? Suppose not, if it doesn't affect the
> meat...?

I think it *does* make the shells unusable. Here's the article I just read:

http://www.fishresearch.org/Articles...ll_disease.asp

If the shell is infested with bacteria, it's probably not good for stock. At
the least, it probably imparts an off-flavor, but I'd be more worried about
bacterial toxins. I wouldn't use diseased shells.

Bob

On 18 Feb 2005 00:31:03 -0600, "Bob" >
wrote:

>I think it *does* make the shells unusable. Here's the article I just read:
>
>http://www.fishresearch.org/Articles...ll_disease.asp
>
>If the shell is infested with bacteria, it's probably not good for stock. At
>the least, it probably imparts an off-flavor, but I'd be more worried about
>bacterial toxins. I wouldn't use diseased shells.
>
Thank you. You may have saved me from the mildly laborious task of
making lobster bisque with nasty shells, only to have to throw it out
due to an "off-flavor," or poison my near and dear!

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA


"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"