Found in my e-mail earlier.




New York 'Jittery' as Prison Releases Martha Stewart
by Scott Ott

(2005-03-04) -- Residents of New York and neighboring states were on edge
today as one of the nation's most notorious criminals, Martha Stewart, was
released from a West Virginia prison.

"Stock brokers will be watching their backs," said one Wall Street
executive.
"We're all a bit jittery. She's done her time, but did the correctional
institution really correct her?"

Almost no one interviewed for this story would allow his name to be used,
fearing reprisals from the wealthy convict who remains under house arrest.

"In the world of finance, your word is your bond," said one unnamed bond
trader. "If she lied to federal investigators, what might she do to a
simple,
naive Wall Street trader? I'm not sleeping well. I feel vulnerable."

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he has beefed up security in
the
financial district, and every police officer carries a photo and
description
of Martha Stewart.

"New Yorkers just have to live their normal lives," said Mr. Bloomberg.
"Go
to work. Make deals. Use your cellphone. We have nothing to fear, but fear
itself."

" BOB" > wrote:

>Found in my e-mail earlier.
>
>
>
>
>New York 'Jittery' as Prison Releases Martha Stewart
>by Scott Ott
>
>(2005-03-04) -- Residents of New York and neighboring states were on edge
>today as one of the nation's most notorious criminals, Martha Stewart, was
>released from a West Virginia prison.
>
>"Stock brokers will be watching their backs," said one Wall Street
>executive.
>"We're all a bit jittery. She's done her time, but did the correctional
>institution really correct her?"
>
>Almost no one interviewed for this story would allow his name to be used,
>fearing reprisals from the wealthy convict who remains under house arrest.
>
>"In the world of finance, your word is your bond," said one unnamed bond
>trader. "If she lied to federal investigators, what might she do to a
>simple,
>naive Wall Street trader? I'm not sleeping well. I feel vulnerable."
>
>New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he has beefed up security in
>the
>financial district, and every police officer carries a photo and
>description
>of Martha Stewart.
>
>"New Yorkers just have to live their normal lives," said Mr. Bloomberg.
>"Go
>to work. Make deals. Use your cellphone. We have nothing to fear, but fear
>itself."
>
>
She's an evil scumbag, which is why most of mindless Amerika is
fascinated with her, and made her rich - it's the "Oprah Syndrome".
She should have rotted in hell, instead of doubling her wealth and
fame while in "prison". A fine example for kids.

TheAlligator wrote
> >
> She's an evil scumbag, which is why most of mindless Amerika is
> fascinated with her, and made her rich - it's the "Oprah Syndrome".
> She should have rotted in hell, instead of doubling her wealth and
> fame while in "prison". A fine example for kids.

Ektually, she quadrupled her wealth during the last 5 months; signed up
for two t.v. shows. Formidable lady. Go Martha!

Mac

"TheAlligator" > wrote in message
...
> " BOB" > wrote:
>
> >Found in my e-mail earlier.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >New York 'Jittery' as Prison Releases Martha Stewart
> >by Scott Ott
> >
> >(2005-03-04) -- Residents of New York and neighboring states were on edge
> >today as one of the nation's most notorious criminals, Martha Stewart,
was
> >released from a West Virginia prison.
> >
> >"Stock brokers will be watching their backs," said one Wall Street
> >executive.
> >"We're all a bit jittery. She's done her time, but did the correctional
> >institution really correct her?"
> >
> >Almost no one interviewed for this story would allow his name to be used,
> >fearing reprisals from the wealthy convict who remains under house
arrest.
> >
> >"In the world of finance, your word is your bond," said one unnamed bond
> >trader. "If she lied to federal investigators, what might she do to a
> >simple,
> >naive Wall Street trader? I'm not sleeping well. I feel vulnerable."
> >
> >New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he has beefed up security in
> >the
> >financial district, and every police officer carries a photo and
> >description
> >of Martha Stewart.
> >
> >"New Yorkers just have to live their normal lives," said Mr. Bloomberg.
> >"Go
> >to work. Make deals. Use your cellphone. We have nothing to fear, but
fear
> >itself."
> >
> >
> She's an evil scumbag, which is why most of mindless Amerika is
> fascinated with her, and made her rich - it's the "Oprah Syndrome".
> She should have rotted in hell, instead of doubling her wealth and
> fame while in "prison". A fine example for kids.

I wondered why you call yourself "The Alligator"......

Elly

"George Beasley" > wrote:
>I wondered why you call yourself "The Alligator"......
Strangely, your suggested line of reasoning is exactly why I was given
this nickname to begin with <G>. I'm sorry, but I just don't think
Martha going to or getting out of prison is worthy of the onslaught of
coverage, which is exactly how I feel about Michael Jackson. Maybe he
did it, maybe he didn't - he's certainly weird, but everybody has the
right to be that way. Oprah seems to be a genuinely nice person, but
she is the patron saint of the victimization movement. Everyone I
know cringes visibly upon hearing "you go girl" - maybe I just run in
different circles. As I understand it, if you worked for Martha
(sheAlligator) you wouldn't be so anxious to see her leave prison. So
let's look at a dichotomy: Martha is convicted of a federal crime,
gets even richer and is now an American idol. Jeff Smith was accused
of molestation by some guys who waited decades until he was rich to
come out. No trial, no conviction, nothing but accusations - his
entire life and fortune is ruined overnight. Wait, he was a white
male - the only person who can't possibly be a victim these days, eh?
(go ahead, scream bigot - that's all part of the trend, anyway).
By the way - how long do you think that YOU would rot in prison for
Securities violations and federal perjury charges? 5 months? 5
years, more likely.

Alligator said:

> She's an evil scumbag, which is why most of mindless Amerika is
> fascinated with her, and made her rich - it's the "Oprah Syndrome".
> She should have rotted in hell, instead of doubling her wealth and
> fame while in "prison". A fine example for kids.

Are you so positive that you wouldn't have done the same thing given the
same circumstances? I'd like to think I wouldn't, but I can't be sure.

Elisa

In article >,
(TheAlligator) wrote:

<snip funny post>
> >
> She's an evil scumbag, which is why most of mindless Amerika is
> fascinated with her, and made her rich - it's the "Oprah Syndrome".
> She should have rotted in hell, instead of doubling her wealth and
> fame while in "prison". A fine example for kids.

No, you're confused. The "fine example for kids" is being tried in
California.

There are actually some things about Martha that are worth emulating.

Regards,
Dave

--
Living in the Ozarks
For email, edu will do.

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth
becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell, (1903-1950)

Au Contraire.... Martha has been a sacrificial lamb. She only lied and stole
40K. There are Wall Street crooks out there that filched billions. Now, the
gullible public can safely entrust their cash to Wall Street secure in the
knowledge the guilty have been punished. She was a high profile individual.
Remember, the head that rises above the crowd gets chopped off. I sincerely
hope she gets revenge on the *******s that put her in prison. Her TV
programs may be the mechanism to do this. Notice the stock in her company
was manipulated upward in the last few months. Martha goes to prison and her
handlers score big. Last nights Dateline NBC was a sickening infomercial.

Farmer John
..

"Fudge" > wrote in
:

> Au Contraire.... Martha has been a sacrificial lamb. She only lied and
> stole 40K. There are Wall Street crooks out there that filched
> billions. Now, the gullible public can safely entrust their cash to
> Wall Street secure in the knowledge the guilty have been punished.

A nice analysis of her "crime":

http://harrybrowne.org/articles/MarthaStewart2.htm

The real criminals are the federal prosecutors, making big names for
themselves.

"ScratchMonkey" > wrote in message
>
> A nice analysis of her "crime":
>
> http://harrybrowne.org/articles/MarthaStewart2.htm
>
> The real criminals are the federal prosecutors, making big names for
> themselves.

Nice? She did something wrong and the writer says "so what" to her lying
and using inside trading. Just because you don't agree with a law, you
don't have the right to break it.

She did something out of greed, got caught, paid her time. Move on. She
let greed take the place of common sense.

Yes, there are far worse criminals, yes, they should be punished also.
Rather them make excuses for Martha, put that time to god use to nail the
other *******s.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "ScratchMonkey" > wrote in
message
> >
> > A nice analysis of her "crime":
> >
> > http://harrybrowne.org/articles/MarthaStewart2.htm
> >
> > The real criminals are the federal prosecutors, making big names
for
> > themselves.
>
> Nice? She did something wrong and the writer says "so what" to her
lying
> and using inside trading. Just because you don't agree with a law,
you
> don't have the right to break it. <snip>

Since you're such a righteous and stern law and order man you should
know that MS has NOT been convicted of insider trading. That charge
wasn't even brought against her by the feds. In fact, her lawyers more
than once told the federal judge, Miriam Greenbaum, that the less alert
members of the public would believe that she was being tried for
insider trading.

Whether her action in selling the IMClone stock was, technically,
insider trading is yet to be determined. No criminal proceedings are
planned on the issue, as most knowledgeable observers do not believe a
criminal act took place. The SEC is planning a civil investigation but
no hearings, deposition-taking, etc., have been scheduled yet.

Mac

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
om...
>
> "ScratchMonkey" > wrote in message
>>
>> A nice analysis of her "crime":
>>
>> http://harrybrowne.org/articles/MarthaStewart2.htm
>>
>> The real criminals are the federal prosecutors, making big names for
>> themselves.
>
> Nice? She did something wrong and the writer says "so what" to her lying
> and using inside trading. Just because you don't agree with a law, you
> don't have the right to break it.
>
> She did something out of greed, got caught, paid her time. Move on. She
> let greed take the place of common sense.
>
> Yes, there are far worse criminals, yes, they should be punished also.
> Rather them make excuses for Martha, put that time to god use to nail the
> other *******s.

You know what I never understood. . .Martha got prison time for
lying--right? How come they never applied that rule to that juror that lied
about prior run-ins with the law? I'm not being a smart aleck, here, I just
don't understand. If the big federal point was all about lying, how come it
didn't apply to the juror. Actually, if you wanted to be a stickler about
it, how come it didn't apply to the fingerprint(or was it ink) analysis guy
that lied by implication that he did the actual analysis himself?
Janet

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in
om:

> Just because you don't agree with a law, you
> don't have the right to break it.

So founders of the US were wrong and had no right to violate the King's
laws? The US should accept its punishment and rejoin the UK as a colony?
Rights transcend laws. If a law says you can't speak your mind, the right
enumerated by (not granted by!) the first amendment overrules the law.

> She did something out of greed, got caught, paid her time. Move on.
> She let greed take the place of common sense.

Define "greed". Everyone has self-interest. Everything you do is guided by
it, even so-called altruism.

Martha's plight was a witch hunt, pure and simple, instituted by greedy
federal prosecutors looking for ways to further their careers. But unlike
Martha's, their greed was sated only by hurting others.

In the bizarre world of the SEC and FTA, common sense isn't. Insider
trading is an Alice in Wonderland bureacratic ruling (not a law except in
that Congress has abdicated its power to bureacrats to avoid accountability
by the electorate).

ScratchMonkey wrote:

> "Fudge" > wrote in
> :
>
> > Au Contraire.... Martha has been a sacrificial lamb. She only lied and
> > stole 40K. There are Wall Street crooks out there that filched
> > billions. Now, the gullible public can safely entrust their cash to
> > Wall Street secure in the knowledge the guilty have been punished.
>
> A nice analysis of her "crime":
>
> http://harrybrowne.org/articles/MarthaStewart2.htm
>
> The real criminals are the federal prosecutors, making big names for
> themselves.

Harry Brown certainly has an interesting take on Martha's crime, and
contrary to what he says, I think it is a crime. The western world's
economy relies very heavily on the stock market, and the value of stocks and
investments should have some credibility to it. Sure, it can be a bit of a
crap shoot to invest in some companies. Sometimes you win and sometimes you
lose. In Martha's case, as I understand it, she got some inside information
that something had happened that was going to make the value of her stock
plummet. Accordingly, she dumped it. If the information she had been privy
to have been made public, she would have lost a considerable amount of
money. Instead, she sold the stock and someone from whom that important
information had been withheld lost money. She sold something in what is
supposed to be an honest market place, knowing full well that it was worth
much less.

Dave Smith > wrote:

She may have the last laugh.

While she was in prison she made 500 million from her new reality TV
show.

Perhaps crime does pay..........

> ScratchMonkey wrote:
>
> > "Fudge" > wrote in
> > :
> >
> > > Au Contraire.... Martha has been a sacrificial lamb. She only lied and
> > > stole 40K. There are Wall Street crooks out there that filched
> > > billions. Now, the gullible public can safely entrust their cash to
> > > Wall Street secure in the knowledge the guilty have been punished.
> >
> > A nice analysis of her "crime":
> >
> > http://harrybrowne.org/articles/MarthaStewart2.htm
> >
> > The real criminals are the federal prosecutors, making big names for
> > themselves.
>
> Harry Brown certainly has an interesting take on Martha's crime, and
> contrary to what he says, I think it is a crime. The western world's
> economy relies very heavily on the stock market, and the value of stocks and
> investments should have some credibility to it. Sure, it can be a bit of a
> crap shoot to invest in some companies. Sometimes you win and sometimes you
> lose. In Martha's case, as I understand it, she got some inside information
> that something had happened that was going to make the value of her stock
> plummet. Accordingly, she dumped it. If the information she had been privy
> to have been made public, she would have lost a considerable amount of
> money. Instead, she sold the stock and someone from whom that important
> information had been withheld lost money. She sold something in what is
> supposed to be an honest market place, knowing full well that it was worth
> much less.

Dave Smith > wrote in
:

> she sold the stock and someone from whom that important
> information had been withheld lost money. She sold something in what
> is supposed to be an honest market place, knowing full well that it
> was worth much less.

Value is subjective. The people buying the stock would have done so no
matter who sold it. In fact, in a brokerage-based system, the stock is all
dumped into a big hopper anyway, so those buying the stock were mostly
getting it from other ignorant people.

Consider a market where insider trading is allowed. One could tell one's
broker, "buy the stock unless an insider is selling". With such a brokerage
feature in place, Martha would have made squat, and there'd be no "need"
for the pointless insider trading law. If your broker lacks an insider
watch feature, complain.

Dave Smith wrote:
> ScratchMonkey wrote:
>
> > "Fudge" > wrote in
> > :
> >
> > > Au Contraire.... Martha has been a sacrificial lamb. She only
lied and
> > > stole 40K. There are Wall Street crooks out there that filched
> > > billions. Now, the gullible public can safely entrust their cash
to
> > > Wall Street secure in the knowledge the guilty have been
punished.
> >
> > A nice analysis of her "crime":
> >
> > http://harrybrowne.org/articles/MarthaStewart2.htm
> >
> > The real criminals are the federal prosecutors, making big names
for
> > themselves.
>
> Harry Brown certainly has an interesting take on Martha's crime, and
> contrary to what he says, I think it is a crime. The western world's
> economy relies very heavily on the stock market, and the value of
stocks and
> investments should have some credibility to it. Sure, it can be a bit
of a
> crap shoot to invest in some companies. Sometimes you win and
sometimes you
> lose. In Martha's case, as I understand it, she got some inside
information
> that something had happened that was going to make the value of her
stock
> plummet. Accordingly, she dumped it. If the information she had been
privy
> to have been made public, she would have lost a considerable amount
of
> money. Instead, she sold the stock and someone from whom that
important
> information had been withheld lost money. She sold something in what
is
> supposed to be an honest market place, knowing full well that it was
worth
> much less.


You are making the same mistake as many others - the stock sale was NOT
her "crime." Lying to investigators was the "crime." Her prison
sentence had nothing at all to do with whether or not she was guilty of
insider trading.

N.

Good for Martha!


--
Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote

> Good for Martha!

Ditto. Of all the people needing incarceration, she's got to
be a the bottom of the list. She did it, she is out, good for
her. What a waste.

nancy (where's that **** from Enron? Kenneth Lay,
something like that)

MARTHA RULES
YOU GO GIRL

BOB wrote:
> Found in my e-mail earlier.
>
> New York 'Jittery' as Prison Releases Martha Stewart
> by Scott Ott
>
> (2005-03-04) -- Residents of New York and neighboring states were on
> edge today as one of the nation's most notorious criminals, Martha
> Stewart, was released from a West Virginia prison.
>
> "Stock brokers will be watching their backs," said one Wall Street
> executive.
> "We're all a bit jittery. She's done her time, but did the
> correctional institution really correct her?"
>
Oh pulleeeeeeze. Like Martha is a terrorist or something. They should be
watching the skies for airplanes, not worrying about Martha making a stock
trade.

Jill

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:06:02 -0600, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

> BOB wrote:
>> Found in my e-mail earlier.
>>
>> New York 'Jittery' as Prison Releases Martha Stewart
>> by Scott Ott
>>
>> (2005-03-04) -- Residents of New York and neighboring states were on
>> edge today as one of the nation's most notorious criminals, Martha
>> Stewart, was released from a West Virginia prison.
>>
>> "Stock brokers will be watching their backs," said one Wall Street
>> executive.
>> "We're all a bit jittery. She's done her time, but did the
>> correctional institution really correct her?"
>>
>Oh pulleeeeeeze. Like Martha is a terrorist or something. They should be
>watching the skies for airplanes, not worrying about Martha making a stock
>trade.
>


Damn, I'm going to lock my doors. It won't be 24-hours until she's
beating eggs, whipping potatoes and smashing garlic.

No food will be safe. ;-)


Rusty

Rusty wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:06:02 -0600, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
>> BOB wrote:
>>> Found in my e-mail earlier.
>>>
>>> New York 'Jittery' as Prison Releases Martha Stewart
>>> by Scott Ott
>>>
>>> (2005-03-04) -- Residents of New York and neighboring states were on
>>> edge today as one of the nation's most notorious criminals, Martha
>>> Stewart, was released from a West Virginia prison.
>>>
>>> "Stock brokers will be watching their backs," said one Wall Street
>>> executive.
>>> "We're all a bit jittery. She's done her time, but did the
>>> correctional institution really correct her?"
>>>
>> Oh pulleeeeeeze. Like Martha is a terrorist or something. They
>> should be watching the skies for airplanes, not worrying about
>> Martha making a stock trade.
>>
>
>
> Damn, I'm going to lock my doors. It won't be 24-hours until she's
> beating eggs, whipping potatoes and smashing garlic.
>
> No food will be safe. ;-)
>
> Rusty

"Oh the humanity!" LOL

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> Rusty wrote:
> > On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:06:02 -0600, "jmcquown"
>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> BOB wrote:
> >>> Found in my e-mail earlier.
> >>>
> >>> New York 'Jittery' as Prison Releases Martha Stewart
> >>> by Scott Ott
> >>>
> >>> (2005-03-04) -- Residents of New York and neighboring states were
on
> >>> edge today as one of the nation's most notorious criminals,
Martha
> >>> Stewart, was released from a West Virginia prison.
> >>>
> >>> "Stock brokers will be watching their backs," said one Wall
Street
> >>> executive.
> >>> "We're all a bit jittery. She's done her time, but did the
> >>> correctional institution really correct her?"
> >>>
> >> Oh pulleeeeeeze. Like Martha is a terrorist or something. They
> >> should be watching the skies for airplanes, not worrying about
> >> Martha making a stock trade.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Damn, I'm going to lock my doors. It won't be 24-hours until she's
> > beating eggs, whipping potatoes and smashing garlic.
> >
> > No food will be safe. ;-)
> >
> > Rusty
>
> "Oh the humanity!" LOL
>
> Jill


Tsk, Jill - surely, you're too young to use that quote ;-) I for sure,
am.

N.

On Thu 10 Mar 2005 03:10:20p, wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Rusty wrote:
>> > On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:06:02 -0600, "jmcquown"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> BOB wrote:
>> >>> Found in my e-mail earlier.
>> >>>
>> >>> New York 'Jittery' as Prison Releases Martha Stewart
>> >>> by Scott Ott
>> >>>
>> >>> (2005-03-04) -- Residents of New York and neighboring states were
>> >>> on edge today as one of the nation's most notorious criminals,
>> >>> Martha Stewart, was released from a West Virginia prison.
>> >>>
>> >>> "Stock brokers will be watching their backs," said one Wall Street
>> >>> executive. "We're all a bit jittery. She's done her time, but did
>> >>> the correctional institution really correct her?"
>> >>>
>> >> Oh pulleeeeeeze. Like Martha is a terrorist or something. They
>> >> should be watching the skies for airplanes, not worrying about
>> >> Martha making a stock trade.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Damn, I'm going to lock my doors. It won't be 24-hours until she's
>> > beating eggs, whipping potatoes and smashing garlic.
>> >
>> > No food will be safe. ;-)
>> >
>> > Rusty
>>
>> "Oh the humanity!" LOL
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> Tsk, Jill - surely, you're too young to use that quote ;-) I for sure,
> am.
>
> N.
>

Ah, the miracle of modern film!

Wayne