A few friends are coming over for dinner for game night. There will
be 6 of us including my best friend and her husband. He is vegetarian
(eats seafood & dairy) but recently has had an angioplasty, so he is
being more careful about diet. I understand he gave us cheese but not
much else. His wife and my dearest friend is also vegetarian; she
eats the Pritikin diet... She makes some very small compromises, but
not many. Everyone else is easy.

The menu will be:

Artichokes (gotta have 'em while they're in season)
Grilled salmon basted with Roasted Chipotle Raspberry Sauce
Cornbread (leftover and frozen from last weeks dinner with other
guests)
Key Lime Cheesecake ( I made this last night and licked the bowl
clean. Simple and delicious. I'll post recipe later)
Fresh strawberries with a bowl of sour cream and brown sugar to dip
them in.

I need something to be included on the dinner plate with the salmon.
I was thinking of some black bean dish but I've drawn a blank. Maybe
it should be a green salad... possibly with beans in it?? If any of
you have suggestions, ya know... I am always grateful.

Ginny

On Fri 18 Mar 2005 06:57:33a, Ginny Sher wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> A few friends are coming over for dinner for game night. There will
> be 6 of us including my best friend and her husband. He is vegetarian
> (eats seafood & dairy) but recently has had an angioplasty, so he is
> being more careful about diet. I understand he gave us cheese but not
> much else. His wife and my dearest friend is also vegetarian; she
> eats the Pritikin diet... She makes some very small compromises, but
> not many. Everyone else is easy.
>
> The menu will be:
>
> Artichokes (gotta have 'em while they're in season)
> Grilled salmon basted with Roasted Chipotle Raspberry Sauce
> Cornbread (leftover and frozen from last weeks dinner with other
> guests)
> Key Lime Cheesecake ( I made this last night and licked the bowl
> clean. Simple and delicious. I'll post recipe later)
> Fresh strawberries with a bowl of sour cream and brown sugar to dip
> them in.
>
> I need something to be included on the dinner plate with the salmon.
> I was thinking of some black bean dish but I've drawn a blank. Maybe
> it should be a green salad... possibly with beans in it?? If any of
> you have suggestions, ya know... I am always grateful.
>
> Ginny
>

What about this black bean salad from Alton Brown, served on a bed of
greens?

2 cups dried black beans
1/2 celery stalk
1/2 carrot
A few sprigs fresh thyme
A few sprigs fresh parsley
1 bay leaf
1/2 onion
2 teaspoons kosher salt
1/3 cup extra-virgin olive oil
1/3 cup lime juice
1 red onion, minced
A handful fresh cilantro, chopped
1 teaspoon ground cumin
1 teaspoon chili powder
Kosher salt and pepper

Tie the celery, carrot, thyme, parsley, and bay leaf into a bundle using
cotton butcher?s twine. Place the beans, bundle, and onion into a pot. Add
just enough water to barely cover the beans. Bring to a simmer, partially
cover, and cook for 1 to 2 hours until beans are barely tender.
After 30 minutes, add the salt to the beans. Occasionally check on the
beans and add water to cover the beans, if needed.

When beans are just barely tender, drain them and remove the carrot bundle.
Toss the beans while hot with the olive oil, lime juice, onion, cilantro,
cumin, and chili powder. Chill thoroughly and season with salt and pepper.

Note: I would also add some fresh sliced raw celery to the beans after
cooking.

--
Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

>
>
>What about this black bean salad from Alton Brown, served on a bed of
>greens?
>
>2 cups dried black beans
>1/2 celery stalk
>1/2 carrot
>A few sprigs fresh thyme
>A few sprigs fresh parsley
>1 bay leaf
>1/2 onion
>2 teaspoons kosher salt
>1/3 cup extra-virgin olive oil
>1/3 cup lime juice
>1 red onion, minced
>A handful fresh cilantro, chopped
>1 teaspoon ground cumin
>1 teaspoon chili powder
>Kosher salt and pepper
>
>Tie the celery, carrot, thyme, parsley, and bay leaf into a bundle using
>cotton butcher?s twine. Place the beans, bundle, and onion into a pot. Add
>just enough water to barely cover the beans. Bring to a simmer, partially
>cover, and cook for 1 to 2 hours until beans are barely tender.
>After 30 minutes, add the salt to the beans. Occasionally check on the
>beans and add water to cover the beans, if needed.
>
>When beans are just barely tender, drain them and remove the carrot bundle.
>Toss the beans while hot with the olive oil, lime juice, onion, cilantro,
>cumin, and chili powder. Chill thoroughly and season with salt and pepper.
>
>Note: I would also add some fresh sliced raw celery to the beans after
>cooking.

That sounds good. I like that it has some chili flavoring because I'm
also using the chipotle sauce and it might go nicely together.

For clarity, would the beans be served in a pile on top of greens...
or tossed throughout?

Many thanks,
Ginny

On Fri 18 Mar 2005 07:45:34a, Ginny Sher wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>>
>>
>>What about this black bean salad from Alton Brown, served on a bed of
>>greens?
>>
>>2 cups dried black beans
>>1/2 celery stalk
>>1/2 carrot
>>A few sprigs fresh thyme
>>A few sprigs fresh parsley
>>1 bay leaf
>>1/2 onion
>>2 teaspoons kosher salt
>>1/3 cup extra-virgin olive oil
>>1/3 cup lime juice
>>1 red onion, minced
>>A handful fresh cilantro, chopped
>>1 teaspoon ground cumin
>>1 teaspoon chili powder
>>Kosher salt and pepper
>>
>>Tie the celery, carrot, thyme, parsley, and bay leaf into a bundle using
>>cotton butcher?s twine. Place the beans, bundle, and onion into a pot.
>>Add just enough water to barely cover the beans. Bring to a simmer,
>>partially cover, and cook for 1 to 2 hours until beans are barely
>>tender. After 30 minutes, add the salt to the beans. Occasionally check
>>on the beans and add water to cover the beans, if needed.
>>
>>When beans are just barely tender, drain them and remove the carrot
>>bundle. Toss the beans while hot with the olive oil, lime juice, onion,
>>cilantro, cumin, and chili powder. Chill thoroughly and season with salt
>>and pepper.
>>
>>Note: I would also add some fresh sliced raw celery to the beans after
>>cooking.
>
> That sounds good. I like that it has some chili flavoring because I'm
> also using the chipotle sauce and it might go nicely together.
>
> For clarity, would the beans be served in a pile on top of greens...
> or tossed throughout?
>
> Many thanks,
> Ginny
>

I would serve it on top of the greens.


--
Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

>What about this black bean salad from Alton Brown, served on a bed of
>greens?
>
>2 cups dried black beans
>1/2 celery stalk
>1/2 carrot
>A few sprigs fresh thyme
>A few sprigs fresh parsley
>1 bay leaf
>1/2 onion
>2 teaspoons kosher salt
>1/3 cup extra-virgin olive oil
>1/3 cup lime juice
>1 red onion, minced
>A handful fresh cilantro, chopped
>1 teaspoon ground cumin
>1 teaspoon chili powder
>Kosher salt and pepper
>
>Tie the celery, carrot, thyme, parsley, and bay leaf into a bundle using
>cotton butcher?s twine. Place the beans, bundle, and onion into a pot. Add
>just enough water to barely cover the beans. Bring to a simmer, partially
>cover, and cook for 1 to 2 hours until beans are barely tender.
>After 30 minutes, add the salt to the beans. Occasionally check on the
>beans and add water to cover the beans, if needed.
>
>When beans are just barely tender, drain them and remove the carrot bundle.
>Toss the beans while hot with the olive oil, lime juice, onion, cilantro,
>cumin, and chili powder. Chill thoroughly and season with salt and pepper.
>
>Note: I would also add some fresh sliced raw celery to the beans after
>cooking.


Wayne... do you think this would also need a salad dressing? (I just
happen to have several limes leftover from the pie.)

Ginny

On Fri 18 Mar 2005 07:53:18a, Ginny Sher wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
>>What about this black bean salad from Alton Brown, served on a bed of
>>greens?
>>
>>2 cups dried black beans
>>1/2 celery stalk
>>1/2 carrot
>>A few sprigs fresh thyme
>>A few sprigs fresh parsley
>>1 bay leaf
>>1/2 onion
>>2 teaspoons kosher salt
>>1/3 cup extra-virgin olive oil
>>1/3 cup lime juice
>>1 red onion, minced
>>A handful fresh cilantro, chopped
>>1 teaspoon ground cumin
>>1 teaspoon chili powder
>>Kosher salt and pepper
>>
>>Tie the celery, carrot, thyme, parsley, and bay leaf into a bundle using
>>cotton butcher?s twine. Place the beans, bundle, and onion into a pot.
>>Add just enough water to barely cover the beans. Bring to a simmer,
>>partially cover, and cook for 1 to 2 hours until beans are barely
>>tender. After 30 minutes, add the salt to the beans. Occasionally check
>>on the beans and add water to cover the beans, if needed.
>>
>>When beans are just barely tender, drain them and remove the carrot
>>bundle. Toss the beans while hot with the olive oil, lime juice, onion,
>>cilantro, cumin, and chili powder. Chill thoroughly and season with salt
>>and pepper.
>>
>>Note: I would also add some fresh sliced raw celery to the beans after
>>cooking.
>
>
> Wayne... do you think this would also need a salad dressing? (I just
> happen to have several limes leftover from the pie.)
>
> Ginny
>

It certainly couldn't hurt to have a nice lime vinaigrette, perhaps an
extension of the mix the beans are tossed with, and perhaps in a small
pitcher or bowl on the table.

--
Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

"Ginny Sher" > wrote in message
...
>A few friends are coming over for dinner for game night. There will
> be 6 of us including my best friend and her husband. He is vegetarian
> (eats seafood & dairy) but recently has had an angioplasty, so he is
> being more careful about diet. I understand he gave us cheese but not
> much else. His wife and my dearest friend is also vegetarian; she
> eats the Pritikin diet... She makes some very small compromises, but
> not many. Everyone else is easy.
>
> The menu will be:
>
> Artichokes (gotta have 'em while they're in season)
> Grilled salmon basted with Roasted Chipotle Raspberry Sauce
> Cornbread (leftover and frozen from last weeks dinner with other
> guests)
> Key Lime Cheesecake ( I made this last night and licked the bowl
> clean. Simple and delicious. I'll post recipe later)
> Fresh strawberries with a bowl of sour cream and brown sugar to dip
> them in.
>
> I need something to be included on the dinner plate with the salmon.
> I was thinking of some black bean dish but I've drawn a blank. Maybe
> it should be a green salad... possibly with beans in it?? If any of
> you have suggestions, ya know... I am always grateful.
>
> Ginny

Black beans give some people MUCH worse digestive discomfort than other
kinds of beans. Pain, in other words. I'd avoid that idea if I were you,
unless you know these people already like black beans in their various
forms.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:08:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> wrote:

>"Ginny Sher" > wrote in message
.. .
>>A few friends are coming over for dinner for game night. There will
>> be 6 of us including my best friend and her husband. He is vegetarian
>> (eats seafood & dairy) but recently has had an angioplasty, so he is
>> being more careful about diet. I understand he gave us cheese but not
>> much else. His wife and my dearest friend is also vegetarian; she
>> eats the Pritikin diet... She makes some very small compromises, but
>> not many. Everyone else is easy.
>>
>> The menu will be:
>>
>> Artichokes (gotta have 'em while they're in season)
>> Grilled salmon basted with Roasted Chipotle Raspberry Sauce
>> Cornbread (leftover and frozen from last weeks dinner with other
>> guests)
>> Key Lime Cheesecake ( I made this last night and licked the bowl
>> clean. Simple and delicious. I'll post recipe later)
>> Fresh strawberries with a bowl of sour cream and brown sugar to dip
>> them in.
>>
>> I need something to be included on the dinner plate with the salmon.
>> I was thinking of some black bean dish but I've drawn a blank. Maybe
>> it should be a green salad... possibly with beans in it?? If any of
>> you have suggestions, ya know... I am always grateful.
>>
>> Ginny
>
>Black beans give some people MUCH worse digestive discomfort than other
>kinds of beans. Pain, in other words. I'd avoid that idea if I were you,
>unless you know these people already like black beans in their various
>forms.
>
Thanks for the heads-up. I'm pretty sure these people eat a lot of
beans regularly so I don't think there would be any problem.

Ginny

"Ginny Sher" > wrote in message
...

>>Black beans give some people MUCH worse digestive discomfort than other
>>kinds of beans. Pain, in other words. I'd avoid that idea if I were you,
>>unless you know these people already like black beans in their various
>>forms.
>>
> Thanks for the heads-up. I'm pretty sure these people eat a lot of
> beans regularly so I don't think there would be any problem.
>
> Ginny

I wasn't clear about this. I know people who eat beans 10 times a week.
Kidney beans, pinto beans, fava beans, navy beans, all kinds. They get VERY
nasty reactions to black beans.

It does NOT matter how often your guests eat other beans. Your conclusion
that "there wouldn't be any problem" is based on air. Go ahead with your
plans, but have another side dish ready in case you see people avoiding the
black beans.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:09:51 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> wrote:

>"Ginny Sher" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>>>Black beans give some people MUCH worse digestive discomfort than other
>>>kinds of beans. Pain, in other words. I'd avoid that idea if I were you,
>>>unless you know these people already like black beans in their various
>>>forms.
>>>
>> Thanks for the heads-up. I'm pretty sure these people eat a lot of
>> beans regularly so I don't think there would be any problem.
>>
>> Ginny
>
>I wasn't clear about this. I know people who eat beans 10 times a week.
>Kidney beans, pinto beans, fava beans, navy beans, all kinds. They get VERY
>nasty reactions to black beans.
>
>It does NOT matter how often your guests eat other beans. Your conclusion
>that "there wouldn't be any problem" is based on air. Go ahead with your
>plans, but have another side dish ready in case you see people avoiding the
>black beans.
>
Thanks, I'll check with my guests before I commit to a black bean
dish.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. They'll be here in about 4
hours... I better hurry up and decide what to serve.

Ginny

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:09:51 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> wrote:

>"Ginny Sher" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>>>Black beans give some people MUCH worse digestive discomfort than other
>>>kinds of beans. Pain, in other words. I'd avoid that idea if I were you,
>>>unless you know these people already like black beans in their various
>>>forms.
>>>
>> Thanks for the heads-up. I'm pretty sure these people eat a lot of
>> beans regularly so I don't think there would be any problem.
>>
>> Ginny
>
>I wasn't clear about this. I know people who eat beans 10 times a week.
>Kidney beans, pinto beans, fava beans, navy beans, all kinds. They get VERY
>nasty reactions to black beans.
>
>It does NOT matter how often your guests eat other beans. Your conclusion
>that "there wouldn't be any problem" is based on air. Go ahead with your
>plans, but have another side dish ready in case you see people avoiding the
>black beans.
>

This is news to me. I love black beans, and have never seen anyone
avoid them.

Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a


Let us restore integrity and honor to the White House

"Rodney Myrvaagnes" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:09:51 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > wrote:
>
>>"Ginny Sher" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>>>Black beans give some people MUCH worse digestive discomfort than other
>>>>kinds of beans. Pain, in other words. I'd avoid that idea if I were you,
>>>>unless you know these people already like black beans in their various
>>>>forms.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for the heads-up. I'm pretty sure these people eat a lot of
>>> beans regularly so I don't think there would be any problem.
>>>
>>> Ginny
>>
>>I wasn't clear about this. I know people who eat beans 10 times a week.
>>Kidney beans, pinto beans, fava beans, navy beans, all kinds. They get
>>VERY
>>nasty reactions to black beans.
>>
>>It does NOT matter how often your guests eat other beans. Your conclusion
>>that "there wouldn't be any problem" is based on air. Go ahead with your
>>plans, but have another side dish ready in case you see people avoiding
>>the
>>black beans.
>>
>
> This is news to me. I love black beans, and have never seen anyone
> avoid them.

Hey....I love mayonnaise, but I see lots of people avoid it.

Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:09:51 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>"Ginny Sher" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>
>>>>Black beans give some people MUCH worse digestive discomfort than other
>>>>kinds of beans. Pain, in other words. I'd avoid that idea if I were you,
>>>>unless you know these people already like black beans in their various
>>>>forms.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks for the heads-up. I'm pretty sure these people eat a lot of
>>>beans regularly so I don't think there would be any problem.
>>>
>>>Ginny
>>
>>I wasn't clear about this. I know people who eat beans 10 times a week.
>>Kidney beans, pinto beans, fava beans, navy beans, all kinds. They get VERY
>>nasty reactions to black beans.
>>
>>It does NOT matter how often your guests eat other beans. Your conclusion
>>that "there wouldn't be any problem" is based on air. Go ahead with your
>>plans, but have another side dish ready in case you see people avoiding the
>>black beans.
>>
>
>
> This is news to me. I love black beans, and have never seen anyone
> avoid them.
>
>

I have to wonder if this is some type of twisted racial slur. A bean is
pretty much a bean. Why would he state "I wasn't clear about this. I
know people who eat beans 10 times a week. Kidney beans, pinto beans,
fava beans, navy beans, all kinds. They get VERY nasty reactions to
black beans." if not for a some ethnocentric reason? It's not like black
beans are poisonous or anything.

Doug Kanter wrote:


> I wasn't clear about this. I know people who eat beans 10 times a
week.
> Kidney beans, pinto beans, fava beans, navy beans, all kinds. They
get VERY
> nasty reactions to black beans.

Something beyond what a tablet of Beano couldn't cure?

-j.

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>
>> I wasn't clear about this. I know people who eat beans 10 times a
> week.
>> Kidney beans, pinto beans, fava beans, navy beans, all kinds. They
> get VERY
>> nasty reactions to black beans.
>
> Something beyond what a tablet of Beano couldn't cure?
>
> -j.
>

I guess. I didn't push it that far in the conversations. If black beans gave
me intense cramps, it would be worth my trouble to try Beano, because I love
black beans. Other people.....maybe not.

"Ginny Sher" > wrote in message
...
>A few friends are coming over for dinner for game night. There will
> be 6 of us including my best friend and her husband. He is vegetarian
> (eats seafood & dairy) but recently has had an angioplasty, so he is
> being more careful about diet. I understand he gave us cheese but not
> much else. His wife and my dearest friend is also vegetarian; she
> eats the Pritikin diet... She makes some very small compromises, but
> not many. Everyone else is easy.
>
> The menu will be:
>
> Artichokes (gotta have 'em while they're in season)
> Grilled salmon basted with Roasted Chipotle Raspberry Sauce
> Cornbread (leftover and frozen from last weeks dinner with other
> guests)
> Key Lime Cheesecake ( I made this last night and licked the bowl
> clean. Simple and delicious. I'll post recipe later)
> Fresh strawberries with a bowl of sour cream and brown sugar to dip
> them in.
>
> I need something to be included on the dinner plate with the salmon.
> I was thinking of some black bean dish but I've drawn a blank. Maybe
> it should be a green salad... possibly with beans in it?? If any of
> you have suggestions, ya know... I am always grateful.
>
> Ginny

Beans and rice are the perfect meat (protein) replacement. We have a
vegetarian in our family Cheese is also a good source of protein.

Dimitri

Ginny Sher wrote:
> The menu will be:
>
> Artichokes (gotta have 'em while they're in season)
> Grilled salmon basted with Roasted Chipotle Raspberry Sauce
> Cornbread (leftover and frozen from last weeks dinner with other
> guests)
> Key Lime Cheesecake ( I made this last night and licked the bowl
> clean. Simple and delicious. I'll post recipe later)
> Fresh strawberries with a bowl of sour cream and brown sugar to dip
> them in.
>
> I need something to be included on the dinner plate with the salmon.
> [snip]

Couscous. Very fast and easy, very flexible. Goes better with salmon
than beans, imho. -aem

Or orzo pasta, with roasted red peppers, onions and wilted spinach,
simply dressed in good olive oil, salt, pepper and fresh parsley.

Steve

Ginny Sher wrote:
>
> A few friends are coming over for dinner for game night. There will
> be 6 of us including my best friend and her husband. He is vegetarian
> (eats seafood & dairy) but recently has had an angioplasty, so he is
> being more careful about diet. I understand he gave us cheese but not
> much else. His wife and my dearest friend is also vegetarian; she
> eats the Pritikin diet... She makes some very small compromises, but
> not many. Everyone else is easy.
>
> The menu will be:
>
> Artichokes (gotta have 'em while they're in season)
> Grilled salmon basted with Roasted Chipotle Raspberry Sauce
> Cornbread (leftover and frozen from last weeks dinner with other
> guests)
> Key Lime Cheesecake ( I made this last night and licked the bowl
> clean. Simple and delicious. I'll post recipe later)
> Fresh strawberries with a bowl of sour cream and brown sugar to dip
> them in.
>
> I need something to be included on the dinner plate with the salmon.
> I was thinking of some black bean dish but I've drawn a blank. Maybe
> it should be a green salad... possibly with beans in it?? If any of
> you have suggestions, ya know... I am always grateful.

Definitely a green salad. Crunchy with some of the green good 'n' dark.

Priscilla

Ginny Sher wrote:

> A few friends are coming over for dinner for game night. There will
> be 6 of us including my best friend and her husband. He is vegetarian
> (eats seafood & dairy) but recently has had an angioplasty, so he is
> being more careful about diet. I understand he gave us cheese but not
> much else. His wife and my dearest friend is also vegetarian; she
> eats the Pritikin diet... She makes some very small compromises, but
> not many. Everyone else is easy.

Sorry, but I make it a rule not to invite people with vegetarian diets for
dinner. I prefer to wait 6 months for them to get back into meat, Find
some other occasion to invite them for, but leave the enjoyment of good
food to people who don't choose to refrain from the basics of our human
diet.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Ginny Sher wrote:
>
>> A few friends are coming over for dinner for game night. There will
>> be 6 of us including my best friend and her husband. He is vegetarian
>> (eats seafood & dairy) but recently has had an angioplasty, so he is
>> being more careful about diet. I understand he gave us cheese but not
>> much else. His wife and my dearest friend is also vegetarian; she
>> eats the Pritikin diet... She makes some very small compromises, but
>> not many. Everyone else is easy.
>
> Sorry, but I make it a rule not to invite people with vegetarian diets for
> dinner. I prefer to wait 6 months for them to get back into meat, Find
> some other occasion to invite them for, but leave the enjoyment of good
> food to people who don't choose to refrain from the basics of our human
> diet.
>
>

Anyone who eats fish is not a vegetarian. Case closed. Unless a higher power
has elevated fish to vegetable status while I was not looking.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:52:01 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> wrote:

>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>> Ginny Sher wrote:
>>
>>> A few friends are coming over for dinner for game night. There will
>>> be 6 of us including my best friend and her husband. He is vegetarian
>>> (eats seafood & dairy) but recently has had an angioplasty, so he is
>>> being more careful about diet. I understand he gave us cheese but not
>>> much else. His wife and my dearest friend is also vegetarian; she
>>> eats the Pritikin diet... She makes some very small compromises, but
>>> not many. Everyone else is easy.
>>
>> Sorry, but I make it a rule not to invite people with vegetarian diets for
>> dinner. I prefer to wait 6 months for them to get back into meat, Find
>> some other occasion to invite them for, but leave the enjoyment of good
>> food to people who don't choose to refrain from the basics of our human
>> diet.
>>
>>
>
>Anyone who eats fish is not a vegetarian. Case closed. Unless a higher power
>has elevated fish to vegetable status while I was not looking.


I wouldn't argue about such words. But, if you are allowed both fish
and dairy, that is a pretty wide-open field of endeavor.

Among pasta sauces: pesto genovese, tomato/basil, putanesca, slivers
of salmon tossed with the noodles, garlic and oil, wild mushrooms and
garlic just for starters. Somebody already mentioned sauted spinach.
Lots of greens would take to the same procedure, such as rape,
escarole, dandelion, arugula, collards, chard.

If you have no wild mushrooms use creminis and saute them for 30 - 40
minutes. They will develop quite a lot of flavor. And you could cheat
by using a little dried porcini.

Steamed mussels.

Risotto made with fish stock and shrimp.

If I were a fish/vegetarian I am sure the list could go on and on. All
the above are quick enough to cook at home on a weeknight, with the
possible exception of the long-cooked cremini.

Anything you can put on pasta you can also put on spaghetti squash.


Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a


Let us restore integrity and honor to the White House

Peter Aitken > wrote:

> Anyone who eats fish is not a vegetarian. Case closed.

I call 'em pesco-vegetarians. There's a lot of them out there.

Steve

Steve Pope wrote:
> Peter Aitken > wrote:
>
> > Anyone who eats fish is not a vegetarian. Case closed.
>
> I call 'em pesco-vegetarians. There's a lot of them out there.
>
> Steve

Nonsense... those are called pelicans.

Sheldon

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:17:50 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>
>
>Ginny Sher wrote:
>
>> A few friends are coming over for dinner for game night. There will
>> be 6 of us including my best friend and her husband. He is vegetarian
>> (eats seafood & dairy) but recently has had an angioplasty, so he is
>> being more careful about diet. I understand he gave us cheese but not
>> much else. His wife and my dearest friend is also vegetarian; she
>> eats the Pritikin diet... She makes some very small compromises, but
>> not many. Everyone else is easy.
>
>Sorry, but I make it a rule not to invite people with vegetarian diets for
>dinner. I prefer to wait 6 months for them to get back into meat, Find
>some other occasion to invite them for, but leave the enjoyment of good
>food to people who don't choose to refrain from the basics of our human
>diet.
>

6 months or 6 years.... it won't make a difference. My girlfriend has
followed Pritkin lifestyle for probably 20 years. Her husband has
also been a vegetarian for at least 10 years. Until recently, he ate
everything else yummy like cheese, desserts, etc. but the doctor put
him on a restricted diet.

Ginny

Ginny Sher wrote:
> [snip] Her husband has
> also been a vegetarian for at least 10 years. Until recently, he ate
> everything else yummy like cheese, desserts, etc. but the doctor put
> him on a restricted diet.
>
He was a vegetarian for >10 years, and now the doctor has restricted
his diet even further? Maybe his diet needs to be expanded, instead.
-aem

In article >,
wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:17:50 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

> >Sorry, but I make it a rule not to invite people with vegetarian diets for
> >dinner. I prefer to wait 6 months for them to get back into meat, Find


> 6 months or 6 years.... it won't make a difference. My girlfriend has
> followed Pritkin lifestyle for probably 20 years. Her husband has
> also been a vegetarian for at least 10 years. Until recently, he ate


I don't agree with Dave's attitude on this, but he is correct in posting
that many people give a vegetarian diet a try for a year or so and then
give it up. I read something written by a doctor who said that he did not
have any special advice for vegans who weren't getting enough vitamin B12,
because the body has a three year supply, and most people don't stay vegan
that long.

My son tried a vegetarian diet for about a year and then gave it up. On
the other hand, my daughter went vegetarian at 13 and not only stuck it
out for 6 years, but has now gone vegan (she gave up eggs and dairy).

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

Dan Abel wrote:

> I don't agree with Dave's attitude on this, but he is correct in posting
> that many people give a vegetarian diet a try for a year or so and then
> give it up. I read something written by a doctor who said that he did not
> have any special advice for vegans who weren't getting enough vitamin B12,
> because the body has a three year supply, and most people don't stay vegan
> that long.

You don't agree with my attitude? My attitude is that I am not interested in
indulging people who are temporarily adopting a diet that is different from
mine. My system does not agree with cabbage and tomatoes. If I knew someone who
had to have cabbage rolls for dinner I would not invite them either. I don't
care care if people are vegetarians. Hell, it helps keep the price of meat down.
They can boycott meat until the cows come home. I'm just not interested in
catering to their diet. If they want to come to a dinner party and bring their
own food that would be great. If they want to come to a dinner party and eat just
vegetables that is fine, but I will be damned if I will cook a vegetarian meal
for them. The closest I come to a vegetarian meal is macaroni and cheese or three
cheese penne, and when I do that I have to listen to a carnivore wife complain.



> My son tried a vegetarian diet for about a year and then gave it up. On
> the other hand, my daughter went vegetarian at 13 and not only stuck it
> out for 6 years, but has now gone vegan (she gave up eggs and dairy).

I am sure that you can appreciate that she is more the exception than the rule.
Care to make a bet that she will stick to it forever?

Dave Smith wrote:
> Dan Abel wrote:
>
>> I don't agree with Dave's attitude on this, but he is correct in
>> posting
>> that many people give a vegetarian diet a try for a year or so and
>> then
>> give it up. I read something written by a doctor who said that he
>> did not have any special advice for vegans who weren't getting
>> enough vitamin B12, because the body has a three year supply, and
>> most people don't stay vegan that long.
>
> You don't agree with my attitude? My attitude is that I am not
> interested in indulging people who are temporarily adopting a diet
> that is different from mine. My system does not agree with cabbage
> and tomatoes. If I knew someone who had to have cabbage rolls for
> dinner I would not invite them either. I don't care care if people
> are vegetarians. Hell, it helps keep the price of meat down. They can
> boycott meat until the cows come home. I'm just not interested in
> catering to their diet. If they want to come to a dinner party and
> bring their own food that would be great. If they want to come to a
> dinner party and eat just vegetables that is fine, but I will be
> damned if I will cook a vegetarian meal for them. The closest I come
> to a vegetarian meal is macaroni and cheese or three cheese penne,
> and when I do that I have to listen to a carnivore wife complain.
>
>
>
>> My son tried a vegetarian diet for about a year and then gave it up.
>> On
>> the other hand, my daughter went vegetarian at 13 and not only stuck
>> it
>> out for 6 years, but has now gone vegan (she gave up eggs and dairy).
>
> I am sure that you can appreciate that she is more the exception than
> the rule. Care to make a bet that she will stick to it forever?

Well let's see... my friend Sujata is a vegetarian and has been for 30
years; she was raised that way. Her husband, on the other hand and her
young daughter, eat meat. So she prepares meals acceptable for both. She's
not adverse to preparing meals with meat in them, she just won't eat them.
She does eggs/dairy, grains, veggies; no chicken or fish. I wouldn't say
she's going to fall off this "diet" any time soon.

Having said that, I agree with not going too far out to cater to a guests
particular diet, be it a fad or not. If you invite people over and they
know you are carnivores, they have the right to say "no thanks". Still, I'd
make an effort to have *something* if they said they would like to attend,
even if it's just grilled or steamed mixed vegetables or couscous or
something. Maybe they just like the company of the friend doing the
inviting.

Jill

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Dan Abel wrote:
>
>> I don't agree with Dave's attitude on this, but he is correct in posting
>> that many people give a vegetarian diet a try for a year or so and then
>> give it up. I read something written by a doctor who said that he did
>> not
>> have any special advice for vegans who weren't getting enough vitamin
>> B12,
>> because the body has a three year supply, and most people don't stay
>> vegan
>> that long.
>
> You don't agree with my attitude? My attitude is that I am not interested
> in
> indulging people who are temporarily adopting a diet that is different
> from
> mine. My system does not agree with cabbage and tomatoes. If I knew
> someone who
> had to have cabbage rolls for dinner I would not invite them either. I
> don't
> care care if people are vegetarians. Hell, it helps keep the price of meat
> down.
> They can boycott meat until the cows come home. I'm just not interested in
> catering to their diet. If they want to come to a dinner party and bring
> their
> own food that would be great. If they want to come to a dinner party and
> eat just
> vegetables that is fine, but I will be damned if I will cook a vegetarian
> meal
> for them. The closest I come to a vegetarian meal is macaroni and cheese
> or three
> cheese penne, and when I do that I have to listen to a carnivore wife
> complain.

I got yer back, Dave. If I invite guests over for dinner, I plan the meal.
The guests can eat what they want. Pick and choose. However, I'll go you
one better. My carnivore wife complains if I make chicken instead of beef!

Thankfully, I don't have any vegetarian/vegan (didn't know there was a
difference) friends. Our friends all agree with Ron White's statement of "I
didn't climb to the top of the f*cking food chain to eat carrots!"

Bret



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One time on Usenet, Dave Smith > said:

<snip>

> They can boycott meat until the cows come home.

Heh -- this would make a great sig quote...

--
J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~
"You still haven't explained why the pool is
filled with elf blood." - Frylock, ATHF

In article >, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> Dan Abel wrote:
>
> > I don't agree with Dave's attitude on this, but he is correct in posting
> > that many people give a vegetarian diet a try for a year or so and then
> > give it up.


> You don't agree with my attitude? My attitude is that I am not interested in
> indulging people who are temporarily adopting a diet that is different from
> mine.


You really have no idea whether it is temporary or not. And lots of
people have diets that are different than yours. And we don't "indulge"
our daughter, at least about her diet. If we are having hot dogs, then
she gets a fake corn dog out of the freezer and nukes it.


> > My son tried a vegetarian diet for about a year and then gave it up. On
> > the other hand, my daughter went vegetarian at 13 and not only stuck it
> > out for 6 years, but has now gone vegan (she gave up eggs and dairy).
>
> I am sure that you can appreciate that she is more the exception than
the rule.
> Care to make a bet that she will stick to it forever?

No bets. But 13 is pretty young to make such a major decision, and 6
years is pretty much a lifetime when you are 19. I wouldn't be surprised
if she drops the vegan thing, but stays vegetarian for the rest of her
life. My sister turned vegetarian about 15 years ago, and at her age, I
expect she'll never go back to eating meat.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

Ginny Sher wrote:

>
> 6 months or 6 years.... it won't make a difference. My girlfriend has
> followed Pritkin lifestyle for probably 20 years. Her husband has
> also been a vegetarian for at least 10 years. Until recently, he ate
> everything else yummy like cheese, desserts, etc. but the doctor put
> him on a restricted diet.

Of all the vegetarians I have none, very few of them have stuck it out more
than a few years. I have to admit that some of them seem to benefit from it. A
few of the female vegetarians I know have wonderful complexions. Others have
just looked sickly.

I posted previously about being expected to cater to a vegan niece at our house
a few years ago. The next time I saw her was at a buffet brunch where she
gorged on bacon, ham, chicken, roast beef.

I am sorry, but I am not a vegetarian. I cook lots of vegetables, but not
"vegetarian dishes". I just prefer to stick to what I know and what I would
like to learn, not what to do to indulge people who adopt diets that are devoid
of what I consider to be the feature dish of a meal, the cooked flesh, and in
some cases the uncooked flesh.

Ginny Sher wrote:
> A few friends are coming over for dinner for game night. There will
> be 6 of us including my best friend and her husband. He is
vegetarian
> (eats seafood & dairy)

Then he's not vegetarian.

-L.

On 19 Mar 2005 23:11:26 -0800, "-L." > wrote:

>
>Ginny Sher wrote:
>> A few friends are coming over for dinner for game night. There will
>> be 6 of us including my best friend and her husband. He is
>vegetarian
>> (eats seafood & dairy)
>
>Then he's not vegetarian.
>
>-L.

Yah... I know he's not a vegetarian in a technical sense and I shoulda
just said he only eats seafood. I probably could have listed the
foods that each of them will and won't eat, but it was too lengthy. I
really only meant to impart that each person had very specific foods
they either *could* eat due to doctors orders or *would* eat due to
personal choice.

One eats seafood, preferably cooked in a low-fat method and isn't
supposed to eat cheese, butter, hi sodium, etc. but he does on
occasion. She eats seafood but won't touch cheese, butter, meat, dairy
(unless ff), oil, peanut butter, avocado or pretty much anything with
fat in it.

I know, I know many of you will tell me to tell her that her diet
isn't healthy; that a body needs some fat, etc. It's futile, she's
been like this for decades and is not going to change now. She is my
best friend so I deal with it. I will go out of my way to make sure
her salad has ff dressing and the veggies or whatever, don't have any
oil or butter on them. Usually, we have some condiment like salsa to
place on an entree or vegetable dish when necessary. Her meal was
largely like ours except:

She ate her artichoke plain
She had ff salad dressing over her greens and I did not use any nuts
in her salad.
I served some french bread along with the cornbread for her.
Dessert for her was a plate of strawberries with some blueberries
sprinkled in to look pretty and a little bowl each of ff greek yogurt
and brown sugar to dip the berries in.
She had the salmon with rasp. chipotle sauce because that had no fat
in it and the asparagus.

The only thing she didn't eat was the cornbread and the key lime
cheesecake. Otherwise, it was the same meal. No biggie.

Ginny

Ginny Sher wrote:
> Yah... I know he's not a vegetarian in a technical sense and I
shoulda
> just said he only eats seafood.

Sorry, it's just my pet peeve....people who say "I'm a vegetarian but I
eat chicken." or "I'm a vegetarian but I eat fish." Drives me nuts.


> I probably could have listed the
> foods that each of them will and won't eat, but it was too lengthy.
I
> really only meant to impart that each person had very specific foods
> they either *could* eat due to doctors orders or *would* eat due to
> personal choice.
>
> One eats seafood, preferably cooked in a low-fat method and isn't
> supposed to eat cheese, butter, hi sodium, etc. but he does on
> occasion. She eats seafood but won't touch cheese, butter, meat,
dairy
> (unless ff), oil, peanut butter, avocado or pretty much anything with
> fat in it.
>
> I know, I know many of you will tell me to tell her that her diet
> isn't healthy; that a body needs some fat, etc. It's futile, she's
> been like this for decades and is not going to change now. She is my
> best friend so I deal with it. I will go out of my way to make sure
> her salad has ff dressing and the veggies or whatever, don't have any
> oil or butter on them. Usually, we have some condiment like salsa to
> place on an entree or vegetable dish when necessary. Her meal was
> largely like ours except:
>
> She ate her artichoke plain
> She had ff salad dressing over her greens and I did not use any nuts
> in her salad.
> I served some french bread along with the cornbread for her.
> Dessert for her was a plate of strawberries with some blueberries
> sprinkled in to look pretty and a little bowl each of ff greek yogurt
> and brown sugar to dip the berries in.
> She had the salmon with rasp. chipotle sauce because that had no fat
> in it and the asparagus.
>
> The only thing she didn't eat was the cornbread and the key lime
> cheesecake. Otherwise, it was the same meal. No biggie.
>
> Ginny

Sounds like it worked out pretty well. I don't understand how
someone could turn down key lime cheesecake, though...(Did you post the
recipe? - I will look for it!)

-L.

<snip other stuff>

>> She ate her artichoke plain
>> She had ff salad dressing over her greens and I did not use any nuts
>> in her salad.
>> I served some french bread along with the cornbread for her.
>> Dessert for her was a plate of strawberries with some blueberries
>> sprinkled in to look pretty and a little bowl each of ff greek yogurt
>> and brown sugar to dip the berries in.
>> She had the salmon with rasp. chipotle sauce because that had no fat
>> in it and the asparagus.
>>
>> The only thing she didn't eat was the cornbread and the key lime
>> cheesecake. Otherwise, it was the same meal. No biggie.
>>
>> Ginny
>
>Sounds like it worked out pretty well. I don't understand how
>someone could turn down key lime cheesecake, though...(Did you post the
>recipe? - I will look for it!)
>
>-L.


The cheesecake was made in a 9" springform pan, so you can imagine
that it easily sliced into 8 servings, more if you would prefer to
make really small slices. There were 6 people, including my friend
who didn't touch it. I had the equivalent of one-half slice and
nothing was left. Many of the other guests had seconds... I guess it
was good, if I say so myself. The funny thing about the recipe is
that it was one of the easiest desserts I've ever made. Here is the
recipe:

Easy Key Lime Cheesecake

Use one graham cracker crust.

1 lb cream cheese, softened
3/4 cup fresh lime juice
1 (14 ounce) can sweetened condensed milk
1 tsp finely grated fresh lime zest

In a food processor blend cream cheese, lime juice and condensed milk
until smooth. Add zest and pulse just until combined. Pour filling
into shell. Cool in fridge for at least 6 hours.
You can top it with Cool Whip® or whipped cream...and you can put
slices of lime on top for decoration

Recipe Type: Cakes, Dessert, Fruit
Recipe Source: Author: Annet222 at recipegoldmine.com May 22, 2001

"-L." > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Ginny Sher wrote:
>> Yah... I know he's not a vegetarian in a technical sense and I
> shoulda
>> just said he only eats seafood.
>
> Sorry, it's just my pet peeve....people who say "I'm a vegetarian but I
> eat chicken." or "I'm a vegetarian but I eat fish." Drives me nuts.

I love the ones who say they won't eat beef or chicken because of how badly
the animals are treated, but they'll eat fish, because everyone knows fish
don't feel pain "the same way". Right. Fish like to be hauled onto the deck
of a ship, dumped there to suffocate, and often gutten & filleted while
they're still kickin'.

Give me one of THAT kind of "vegetarian", a car battery, terminal clamps,
and two hours, and I'll get at the truth. :-)