In article <E1p2e.13361$%d7.7521@lakeread03>,
Faux_Pseudo > wrote:

> _.-In rec.food.cooking, Katra wrote the following -._
> > Kat (down 30 lbs. so far, but still have 93 to go... <sigh>
> > I have a $200.00 wager going with 2 guys at work and I only have 1 year
> > to lose it!)
>
> The max amount anyone should try to loose without a once a week doctor
> visit is about 115 figuring 2 pounds a week give or take a little.
> You may want to rethink your bet.
>
> Loosing even 100 a year is unsafe and can lead to lots of medical
> problems that you may not be aware of. Please see a doctor.

I am under a Doctors supervision... ;-)
I lost 15 lbs. the first month and she did not seem to have a problem
with this.

I run lab work monthly on myself. I'm anything but anemic (45% Hct) and
all blood chemistries look good.

Why is it dangerous???

It's not hurting my metabolism any and the South Beach type diet is
fairly high in fiber so everything is "functioning" properly.

Please explain?

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In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
>
> > And yes, I need to lose 123 lbs. I started at 273 and my goal weight is
> > 150. I'm 5' 6" with a heavy bone structure. I plan to start weight
> > lifting again once I get below 200. Muscle is heavy and I tend to gain
> > muscle fairly easily if I keep my protein intake up and practice proper
> > weight training techniques.
> >
> > Last time I lost weight, (12 years ago) I lost 80 lbs. in 6 months, but
> > I starved it off so that is why it came back. I'd fast for 3 to 5 days
> > at a time. The longest I fasted was 2 weeks. I was also weight lifting
> > heavy 3 days per week at the same time. Oddly enough, I never did feel
> > weak. <G> I managed to get my deadlift up to 210 lbs. Never could bench
> > over 90 tho'. :-(
>
> I can lose weight quickly by cutting back on intake, especially sugars. The
> problem is that when the diet ends the weight comes back with interest,
> and the first taste of sugar in a few weeks seats me off on a sugar binge and
> I lose my conscience. I once managed to lose 30 pounds, but 3-4 pounds
> per year sneaking back on add up.

That is why I've made a real attempt to make permanent dietary and
lifestyle changes.

I've been fat since I was 16. ;-)
High carb habit from puberty I think is what really did me in...

That and a bad thyroid.

Thing is, once the weight is on, it's really hard to get off.

>
> Bad eating habits at work did not help matters much, so now that I am retired
> it is time to get serious about losing some weight. Besides, I took up
> horseback riding and it would be easier for me and for the horses if there
> was less of me to lug around. I had a membership at the Y, but it was 25
> miles away and I did not get down there often enough. This month a new Y
> facility opened up only 3 miles from my house. I have no excuses now. I go
> there every day and my exercise regime lasts about 1 1/2 hours. It was
> disappointing the first week when I gained a few pounds, but now I am losing
> 2-3 pounds per week.
>
> The net loss is not that great yet, but clothing is starting to get loose on
> me. I feel a lot more energetic and I find the riding lessons less
> tiring.

Feels great does it not? :-)
My work uniforms are getting baggy! <lol>


>
>

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In article >,
Michael Siemon > wrote:

> In article >,
> Katra > wrote:
>
> > In article .com>,
> > "-L." > wrote:
> ...
> > > > And yes, I need to lose 123 lbs. I started at 273 and my goal weight
> > > is
> > > > 150. I'm 5' 6" with a heavy bone structure. I plan to start weight
> > > > lifting again once I get below 200. Muscle is heavy and I tend to
> > > gain
> > > > muscle fairly easily if I keep my protein intake up and practice
> > > proper
> > > > weight training techniques.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Just a tip. If you get to a plateau and can't seem to get off, try
> > > throwing in 3-6 oz of extra protein every 2-3 days at uneven intervals,
> > > for two weeks. After that, you should lose easily again.
> >
> > Groovy! :-)
> > I've found that just about any variance from the regular diet can break
> > a plateau, but that is a great tip, thanks!
>
> You may want to resume weight training sooner -- cardio doesn't
> give the same degree of post-workout increase in the metabolism,
> and lifting should help to keep muscle loss lower than fat loss.
> I don't have as much to go, nor as ambitious a program, but I'm
> now trying to shake myself off a plateau. Good luck!

You are right, but I used to work out at that gym last time I lost a
bunch of weight. ;-)

I'm ashamed to go back as I am right now! <lol>

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In article >,
Katra > wrote:
....

> You are right, but I used to work out at that gym last time I lost a
> bunch of weight. ;-)
>
> I'm ashamed to go back as I am right now! <lol>

I hear you. Try a different gym? Work out at home? (dumbbells
are pretty cheap and need no spotting...)

In article >,
Michael Siemon > wrote:

> In article >,
> Katra > wrote:
> ...
>
> > You are right, but I used to work out at that gym last time I lost a
> > bunch of weight. ;-)
> >
> > I'm ashamed to go back as I am right now! <lol>
>
> I hear you. Try a different gym? Work out at home? (dumbbells
> are pretty cheap and need no spotting...)

I actually have a room we are trying to convert into a home gym.
Have dumbells, bench and barbells and weights!

Trouble is, dad is a packrat and the room is still full of junk right
now. :-( Working on it slowly, but it seems to fill up as fast as I get
rid of stuff. <sigh>

Hopefully this summer we will have a big yard sale and finally
accomplish something!

Then I can set up the weights. ;-)

In the meantime, I might be able to find a spot in the livingroom for
the dumbell rack at least!
<grumble mumble whine darn junk hoarders anyway>!

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_.-In rec.food.cooking, Katra wrote the following -._
>> Loosing even 100 a year is unsafe and can lead to lots of medical
>> problems that you may not be aware of. Please see a doctor.
>
> I am under a Doctors supervision... ;-)

Good

<snip>
> Why is it dangerous???

Fast weight loss and/or extreme weight loss can result in the
following kinds of issues and that is why doctors supervision is
recommended for anyone starting the kind of thing you are engaged in.
* increased risk of gallstones
* increased risk of osteoporosis
* unhealthy weight gain if stopped abruptly (yo-yo effect)
* increased risk of diabetes
* loss of muscle (heart muscle being the worst)
* change in brain chemistry because of changes in cholesterol

> Please explain?

Please ask the doctor that you are seeing. They will be able to
explain more.

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Katra wrote:
>
> In the meantime, I might be able to find a spot in the livingroom for
> the dumbell rack at least!
> <grumble mumble whine darn junk hoarders anyway>!
>


Or...in the meantime, get some dynabands or similar resistance bands/tubing.
If you have a fair bit of strength already, go for the black and grey ones.
They provide a great deal of resistance (especially if you double-up on the
bands--grey plus blue, etc.) on both the eccentric and concentric
contractions. You don't need much space to store or use them--you could
keep them in your pockets if space is really tight :-). The cheapest place
I've found them is fitnesswholesale.com . They have really cheap
Thera-balls, too!

Not related in anyway to the company, just a happy customer.

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In article <CoF2e.13425$%d7.5623@lakeread03>,
Faux_Pseudo > wrote:

> _.-In rec.food.cooking, Katra wrote the following -._
> >> Loosing even 100 a year is unsafe and can lead to lots of medical
> >> problems that you may not be aware of. Please see a doctor.
> >
> > I am under a Doctors supervision... ;-)
>
> Good
>
> <snip>
> > Why is it dangerous???
>
> Fast weight loss and/or extreme weight loss can result in the
> following kinds of issues and that is why doctors supervision is
> recommended for anyone starting the kind of thing you are engaged in.
> * increased risk of gallstones

Only if eating low fat.
I'm not. Bile is released in direct response to the need to digest fats.
Low fat causes bile retention and stone formation.

This item was discussed in detail with my gastroenterologist.

I eat a lot of eggs. They have 5 grams per. I also eat nuts as the fat
in them is unsaturated and far healthier, and tends to give some
cardiovascular benefits.

> * increased risk of osteoporosis

If you don't supplement. I am. 4 grams of calcium per day in a mixed
mineral formula. I also still eat cheese. If I don't supplement
properly, I lose too much calcium due to a high protien intake and I get
HORRIBLE leg cramps. I don't dare not supplement! Too painful. <G>

The above two are mostly a danger with the stupid and useless high carb
low fat diets recommended by the FDA.

> * unhealthy weight gain if stopped abruptly (yo-yo effect)

Yes, that has happened to me twice in the past, but the weight gain took
5 years... I have also made permanent lifestyle changes so this should
not happen this time! I've managed to maintain my weight with no more
gains now for the past 3 years. I've learned.........

> * increased risk of diabetes

Again, only on a high carb diet!
I also monitor my blood chemistry levels monthly, and am
being treated for insulin resistance from a lifetime of carb
addicition.

Metformin is a wonderful thing..... <lol>

I don't have diabetes yet, but was headed there. Type II is usually
a consequence of untreated hyperinsulinism.
It's also next to impossible to lose weight on a high carb
diet if you have insulin resistance. Even with a very low calorie count.

> * loss of muscle (heart muscle being the worst)

A high protein diet prevents this!
This is one of the nice things about low carbing. ;-)
Nearly all of the weight loss is fat!!! Not muscle.

The body only loses muscle when you deprive it of protein.

You are going to lose muscle no matter how slowly or quickly you lose
weight if you don't eat sufficient protein!

Must be balanced, but zoning is the best with still a percentage of
calories coming from high fiber carbs and fat, but the majority coming
from protein.

Trust me. I've been studying diet, nutrition, sports nutrition and
supplementation science for nearly 10 years now. I know what I am doing,
but thanks very much for your concern! I appreciate it.

> * change in brain chemistry because of changes in cholesterol

Well, my serum cholesterol numbers seem to be stable over the past 3
months. ;-) They fluctuate between 200 and 220.

Probably because I refuse to totally give up my nightly relaxation
rituals involving a cocktail or two... If I quit drinking completely, my
cholesterol drops to 180.

>
> > Please explain?
>
> Please ask the doctor that you are seeing. They will be able to
> explain more.

Heh. Dr. R. and I have discussed all of this in detail.
We are monitoring everything very closely. I'm very much in touch with
my body and listen to it.

I weighed in today, it's been about 10 days.

Lost another 4 lbs. Yay!

Weighed in at 239. I started at 273 on January 4th.

My Dr. is as thrilled as I am and has not given me any dire warnings
about a goal of 10 lbs. per month.

But again, I thank you for taking the time to post your concerns!
If you quit hearing from me, you will know I died and can post a nice "I
told you so". :-)

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In article >,
"Rona Y." > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
> >
> > In the meantime, I might be able to find a spot in the livingroom for
> > the dumbell rack at least!
> > <grumble mumble whine darn junk hoarders anyway>!
> >
>
>
> Or...in the meantime, get some dynabands or similar resistance bands/tubing.
> If you have a fair bit of strength already, go for the black and grey ones.
> They provide a great deal of resistance (especially if you double-up on the
> bands--grey plus blue, etc.) on both the eccentric and concentric
> contractions. You don't need much space to store or use them--you could
> keep them in your pockets if space is really tight :-). The cheapest place
> I've found them is fitnesswholesale.com . They have really cheap
> Thera-balls, too!
>
> Not related in anyway to the company, just a happy customer.
>
> rona

Cool! :-)
I've never tried anything like that.
I get a lot of my stuff from Oshmans...

I have a thera-ball already.
I just need to re-inflate it.

Those balls are great for ab crunches.
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Katra wrote:


> I have a thera-bra already.
> I just need to re-inflate it.


Katra! My word - are you trying to lead Sheldon on...???

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In article t>,
"Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:

>
> Katra wrote:
>
>
> > I have a thera-bra already.
> > I just need to re-inflate it.
>
>
> Katra! My word - are you trying to lead Sheldon on...???
>
> --
> Best
> Greg ;-d

<lol>
Only with your help in re-wording my posts!!!
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Katra wrote:
>
> Cool! :-)
> I've never tried anything like that.
> I get a lot of my stuff from Oshmans...
>

If you're interested in ways you can use them, see http://tinyurl.com/4txly
.. If that doesn't work, it's www.sissel-online.com and click on the link on
the right for "over 400 free exercises". They have some other good stuff on
that site for using exercise balls, etc. The most important thing to
remember with bands is not to lose tension (of course, that could go for
weights, too, but many people don't maintain tension throughout a rep,
anyway).

> I have a thera-ball already.
> I just need to re-inflate it.
>
> Those balls are great for ab crunches.

They're hell on your abs! I remember having to do mini-crunches once and my
abs were sore for a week. I like using them for stretching.

BTW, one of my favourite exercise sites is www.exrx.net . While I don't
agree with the way they demonstrate certain exercises (I was always taught
that form and safety are most important), it's generally a very good site.
My favourite is the exercise body map (under kinesiology). Just click on
any part of the body and you'll find exercises and stretches for that muscle
group. Easy as pie!

rona
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Katra wrote:
> In article t>,
> "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Katra wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I have a thera-bra already.
> > > I just need to re-inflate it.
> >
> >
> > Katra! My word - are you trying to lead Sheldon on...???
> >
> > --
> > Best
> > Greg ;-d
>
> <lol>
> Only with your help in re-wording my posts!!!
> --
> K.

Katra, you reminded Greg of big balls so naturally he thought of my
pair. hehe

In article .com>,
"Sheldon" > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
> > In article t>,
> > "Gregory Morrow"
> > <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Katra wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I have a thera-bra already.
> > > > I just need to re-inflate it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Katra! My word - are you trying to lead Sheldon on...???
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best
> > > Greg ;-d
> >
> > <lol>
> > Only with your help in re-wording my posts!!!
> > --
> > K.
>
> Katra, you reminded Greg of big balls so naturally he thought of my
> pair. hehe
>

<giggles>
Jpegs pleas??? <smirk>
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In article >,
"Rona Y." > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
> >
> > Cool! :-)
> > I've never tried anything like that.
> > I get a lot of my stuff from Oshmans...
> >
>
> If you're interested in ways you can use them, see http://tinyurl.com/4txly

Not bad! ;-)
I think, with some creativity, I can use them the same way (mostly
anyway) that I can use dumbells.

Can't see a way to work triceps tho'.

> . If that doesn't work, it's www.sissel-online.com and click on the link on
> the right for "over 400 free exercises". They have some other good stuff on
> that site for using exercise balls, etc. The most important thing to
> remember with bands is not to lose tension (of course, that could go for
> weights, too, but many people don't maintain tension throughout a rep,
> anyway).

Mmmm... depends on your level of experience.
I lifted for 3 years and even tho' I've quit lifting for a long period,
I've continued studying it and have not forgotten what I learnt! <G>
I gain muscle rather easily which is nice.

>
> > I have a thera-ball already.
> > I just need to re-inflate it.
> >
> > Those balls are great for ab crunches.
>
> They're hell on your abs! I remember having to do mini-crunches once and my
> abs were sore for a week. I like using them for stretching.

I know. That is what I like about them. <G>
No pain, no gain? Altho' that concept is argued liberally on weight
lifting groups. I personally find that if I'm sore the next day, I make
the most and fastest progress. I have a high pain tolerance to can
usually just ignore it.

>
> BTW, one of my favourite exercise sites is www.exrx.net . While I don't
> agree with the way they demonstrate certain exercises (I was always taught
> that form and safety are most important), it's generally a very good site.
> My favourite is the exercise body map (under kinesiology). Just click on
> any part of the body and you'll find exercises and stretches for that muscle
> group. Easy as pie!
>
> rona

Thanks!!! :-)

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Katra wrote:
>
> Not bad! ;-)
> I think, with some creativity, I can use them the same way (mostly
> anyway) that I can use dumbells.
>

It works even better if you get the accessories--you don't really need the
handles or ankle strap, but the door anchor or assist come in handy. You
could easily make something similar, though.

> Can't see a way to work triceps tho'.
>

Two ways that I know of...Step on one end of the band, hold the other end
and do a tricep kickback as you would with a dumbbell.

The other is to do a one-arm tricep extension--hold the other end of the
band with your non-active hand.

> Mmmm... depends on your level of experience.

From what I've seen, it's not so much experience as training and
self-awareness. A lot of people I know (and have watched) are self-trained
or taught by others who have little professional training (and I don't
consider in-house training programs, like those offered by Bally or such to
their staff, as professional training) in how to lift properly and safely.
Like the guys at the gym who arch their backs when they bench press, or who
rely largely on momentum to get those heavy weights up. They've been
lifting for years and sure, they can bench 100+ kilos, but they're just
walking injuries-waiting-to-happen. Some of the trainers at my gym are
little better...and they're supposed to be teaching people proper form!

> I lifted for 3 years and even tho' I've quit lifting for a long
> period, I've continued studying it and have not forgotten what I
> learnt! <G>
> I gain muscle rather easily which is nice.
>

Lucky! I have teeny tiny muscles that are barely visible under my fat--and
I've been lifting since 2001 (with about 1 1/2 years off because of
tendinitis). I'm just not the athletic type, I guess.

>
> I know. That is what I like about them. <G>
> No pain, no gain? Altho' that concept is argued liberally on weight
> lifting groups. I personally find that if I'm sore the next day, I
> make the most and fastest progress. I have a high pain tolerance to
> can usually just ignore it.
>

Gotta have at least a little pain, imo, or there's not much muscle building
going on. I have a low tolerance for pain, though, so I complain about it
for days!

rona

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In article >,
"Rona Y." > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
> >
> > Not bad! ;-)
> > I think, with some creativity, I can use them the same way (mostly
> > anyway) that I can use dumbells.
> >
>
> It works even better if you get the accessories--you don't really need the
> handles or ankle strap, but the door anchor or assist come in handy. You
> could easily make something similar, though.
>
> > Can't see a way to work triceps tho'.
> >
>
> Two ways that I know of...Step on one end of the band, hold the other end
> and do a tricep kickback as you would with a dumbbell.
>
> The other is to do a one-arm tricep extension--hold the other end of the
> band with your non-active hand.

Ok, I see!

>
> > Mmmm... depends on your level of experience.
>
> From what I've seen, it's not so much experience as training and
> self-awareness. A lot of people I know (and have watched) are self-trained
> or taught by others who have little professional training (and I don't
> consider in-house training programs, like those offered by Bally or such to
> their staff, as professional training) in how to lift properly and safely.
> Like the guys at the gym who arch their backs when they bench press, or who
> rely largely on momentum to get those heavy weights up. They've been
> lifting for years and sure, they can bench 100+ kilos, but they're just
> walking injuries-waiting-to-happen. Some of the trainers at my gym are
> little better...and they're supposed to be teaching people proper form!

Good point!
I lifted for 3 years with good progress about 10 years ago, and have not
forgotten. You need to learn to "feel" what your muscles are doing for
maximum effect. Just throwing weights around will only get you hurt. <G>

> > I gain muscle rather easily which is nice.
> >
>
> Lucky! I have teeny tiny muscles that are barely visible under my fat--and
> I've been lifting since 2001 (with about 1 1/2 years off because of
> tendinitis). I'm just not the athletic type, I guess.

Well, how is your diet?
Proper protein consumption is mandatory
as is proper supplementation.

>
> >
> > I know. That is what I like about them. <G>
> > No pain, no gain? Altho' that concept is argued liberally on weight
> > lifting groups. I personally find that if I'm sore the next day, I
> > make the most and fastest progress. I have a high pain tolerance to
> > can usually just ignore it.
> >
>
> Gotta have at least a little pain, imo, or there's not much muscle building
> going on. I have a low tolerance for pain, though, so I complain about it
> for days!
>
> rona

You get used to it, then you no longer mind it..... ;-)

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