How come any time I order goat at some Indian or Mexican place that it
is always loaded with bone? I know that goats aren't nearly as meaty
as cows are but one would think that in the course of the thousands of
years humans have been breading goats that we would have artifically
selected for a good goat steak.

Where is all the good goat meat? And why are Americans so anti-goat?

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In article <tr90e.5731$%d7.294@lakeread03>,
Faux_Pseudo > wrote:

> How come any time I order goat at some Indian or Mexican place that it
> is always loaded with bone? I know that goats aren't nearly as meaty
> as cows are but one would think that in the course of the thousands of
> years humans have been breading goats that we would have artifically
> selected for a good goat steak.
>
> Where is all the good goat meat? And why are Americans so anti-goat?

Simple...

Purchase and slaughter your own!
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In article <tr90e.5731$%d7.294@lakeread03>, Faux_Pseudo
> wrote:

> How come any time I order goat at some Indian or Mexican place that it
> is always loaded with bone? I know that goats aren't nearly as meaty
> as cows are but one would think that in the course of the thousands of
> years humans have been breading goats that we would have artifically
> selected for a good goat steak.
>
> Where is all the good goat meat? And why are Americans so anti-goat?

Hmmmm. Breading? You must mean bedding. LOL.

Faux_Pseudo wrote:
>
> How come any time I order goat at some Indian or Mexican place that it
> is always loaded with bone?

That's because it is purported to give more flavor.
Also, the bony cuts are cheaper and thus used more,
especially in Caribbean cooking. I hate the bones
also, but it's a cultural thing. I must say though
that the goat dishes at a local Indian restaurant,
which is about the only one in the area that actually
uses goat, do not have the bones.

When I cook goat I buy a meaty cut and bone it then
cut the meat into cubes.

> I know that goats aren't nearly as meaty
> as cows are but one would think that in the course of the thousands of
> years humans have been breading goats that we would have artifically
> selected for a good goat steak.
>
> Where is all the good goat meat? And why are Americans so anti-goat?

I don't know if we're "anti-goat" so much as just not used to
it. It never became a popular meat here. I love it myself if
properly prepared. I like the Caribbean goat curry best.
The Indian dishes I don't care for as much, even though I
really love Indian food. To my taste the flavor of their
sauces don't go as well with the flavor of goat as do the
Caribben sauces.

Kate

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"Faux_Pseudo" > wrote in message
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<snip>
>
> And why are Americans so anti-goat?

I'm American, and I am pro-goat-eating. I don't know why so many people are
anti-goat, but then I don't know why so many are anti-venison, anti-duck,
anti-rabbit, et cetera ad nauseum. I think that many are of the mind that
if the animal is cute (are goats cute?) then they won't eat it. Personally,
it seems to me that the cuter the animal, the more delicious it is. Perhaps
they just need to stop making goats the main attraction at so many petting
zoos for kids (no pun intended). We definitely need more members in the
People for the Eating of Tasty Animals club.

-Matt

Kate Connally wrote:
[snip]
> I don't know if we're "anti-goat" so much as just not used to
> it. It never became a popular meat here. I love it myself if
> properly prepared. I like the Caribbean goat curry best.
> The Indian dishes I don't care for as much, even though I
> really love Indian food. To my taste the flavor of their
> sauces don't go as well with the flavor of goat as do the
> Caribben sauces.

I like the Mexican (Jalisco origin, I think) birria, a spicy stew.
Fortunately, there are many places in SoCalifornia that serve it. -aem

Matt wrote:
> "Faux_Pseudo" > wrote in message
> news:tr90e.5731$%d7.294@lakeread03...
> <snip>
> >
> > And why are Americans so anti-goat?
>
> I'm American, and I am pro-goat-eating. I don't know why so many
people are
> anti-goat, but then I don't know why so many are anti-venison,
anti-duck,
> anti-rabbit, et cetera ad nauseum. I think that many are of the mind
that
> if the animal is cute (are goats cute?) then they won't eat it.
Personally,
> it seems to me that the cuter the animal, the more delicious it is.
Perhaps
> they just need to stop making goats the main attraction at so many
petting
> zoos for kids (no pun intended). We definitely need more members in
the
> People for the Eating of Tasty Animals club.

Has nothing to do with "anti". People tend to eat those foods they
grew up with. In some cultures insects and beets are very popular food
items.

_.-In rec.food.cooking, aem wrote the following -._
> I like the Mexican (Jalisco origin, I think) birria, a spicy stew.
> Fortunately, there are many places in SoCalifornia that serve it. -aem

It is /really/ good stuff when done right. In the city of North
Park in the San Diego area there is a taco shop called "Ray's Taco
Shop". Because of the name I avoided it for a long time. It just
didn't sound right. Then one day walking past it I saw a thing in the
window saying they had birria. So I had to go in.

I found it to be the best damn goat stew I have ever had.
No website but here is the location: You can find it he

<url:http://www.google.com/local?sc=1&hl=en&q=mexican&near=92116&btnG=Google+ Search&rl=1>

The next time I go to San Diego I am going make a stop there. The
rest of the time will be spent at a mixture of other Mexican places
and Jack In the Box were by the end of the trip my stomach will rebel
against me from too many Jalapenio Poppers that can't be found here in
VA.

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_.-In rec.food.cooking, Matt wrote the following -._
> I'm American, and I am pro-goat-eating. I don't know why so many people are
> anti-goat, but then I don't know why so many are anti-venison, anti-duck,
> anti-rabbit, et cetera ad nauseum.

My dyslexia read that last bit as 'and nasty critter'.

Yes all of those things are very tasty. While I think at first this
American dislike started as a mixture 'thats not normal' during the
move to the cities during the first 2 decades of the 20th cent and
then became formalized during the Great Depression when for many
people /any/ food was a luxury but the farms were only producing the
big money makers like cows, and pigs.

So now pig, cow, chicken and turkey are the only things Americans eat
and as the years went by pigs started to be less fatty, chicken started
to taste more like cardboard and cows just got bigger and bigger.
In the end Americans relying on a diet of tasteless fast food now just
don't like flavor. As a result all of the good things you named above
are now seen as not just non-food items but when eaten taste 'funny'.

> I think that many are of the mind that
> if the animal is cute (are goats cute?) then they won't eat it. Personally,
> it seems to me that the cuter the animal, the more delicious it is.

Especially when it is in a good herb and butter sauce.

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> Perhaps they just need to stop making goats the main attraction at
> so many petting zoos for kids (no pun intended). We definitely need
> more members in the People for the Eating of Tasty Animals club.

Yes.

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Sheldon wrote:

> > "Faux_Pseudo" > wrote in message
> > news:tr90e.5731$%d7.294@lakeread03...
> > <snip>
> > > And why are Americans so anti-goat?
[snip]
>
> Has nothing to do with "anti". People tend to eat those foods they
> grew up with. In some cultures insects and beets are very popular
> food items.

It also has to do with availability. The supermarkets used to carry
rabbit fairly regularly, for example, and now when I ask for it they
give me a blank stare. Goat is sometimes available here at the stores
in Spanish-speaking neighborhoods. Beets are widely available except,
I think, in Minnesota.... -aem

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:05:45 GMT, Faux_Pseudo >
wrote:

>
>Where is all the good goat meat? And why are Americans so anti-goat?

A good place to buy goat meat is from a Halal butcher. My local one
gets whole carcases and will provide me with any cut I want.

BTW, in Indian recipes goat meat is referred to as mutton.

aem wrote:
>
> Kate Connally wrote:
> [snip]
> > I don't know if we're "anti-goat" so much as just not used to
> > it. It never became a popular meat here. I love it myself if
> > properly prepared. I like the Caribbean goat curry best.
> > The Indian dishes I don't care for as much, even though I
> > really love Indian food. To my taste the flavor of their
> > sauces don't go as well with the flavor of goat as do the
> > Caribben sauces.
>
> I like the Mexican (Jalisco origin, I think) birria, a spicy stew.
> Fortunately, there are many places in SoCalifornia that serve it. -aem

I've never had birria, but I love goat tacos. There's a stand
in the Central Market in L. A. that makes them. Just barbecued
goat meat and whatever salsa you want on it. It's a soft taco
on a corn tortilla - the only kind to make!! (P. S. I made the
mistake of not inquiring about it's ingredients before ordering
a soft taco at Taco Bell the other night (yeah, I know, blecch,
but I had almost no cash and just needed something to nosh on
while my car was being serviced and I was missing dinner - it's
cheap and filling and not too bad tasting). They used a plain
unheated, ungrilled, un-anything *FLOUR* tortilla! Yuck! What
are these people thinking? But I should have known better.
(Rant off)

Kate
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Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

In article >,
Kate Connally > wrote:

> aem wrote:
> >
> > Kate Connally wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > I don't know if we're "anti-goat" so much as just not used to
> > > it. It never became a popular meat here. I love it myself if
> > > properly prepared. I like the Caribbean goat curry best.
> > > The Indian dishes I don't care for as much, even though I
> > > really love Indian food. To my taste the flavor of their
> > > sauces don't go as well with the flavor of goat as do the
> > > Caribben sauces.
> >
> > I like the Mexican (Jalisco origin, I think) birria, a spicy stew.
> > Fortunately, there are many places in SoCalifornia that serve it. -aem
>
> I've never had birria, but I love goat tacos. There's a stand
> in the Central Market in L. A. that makes them. Just barbecued
> goat meat and whatever salsa you want on it. It's a soft taco
> on a corn tortilla - the only kind to make!! (P. S. I made the
> mistake of not inquiring about it's ingredients before ordering
> a soft taco at Taco Bell the other night (yeah, I know, blecch,
> but I had almost no cash and just needed something to nosh on
> while my car was being serviced and I was missing dinner - it's
> cheap and filling and not too bad tasting). They used a plain
> unheated, ungrilled, un-anything *FLOUR* tortilla! Yuck! What
> are these people thinking? But I should have known better.
> (Rant off)
>
> Kate

I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but Taco Bell is one
of my favorite places to eat for Mexican food! You just have to know
what to order, and our local one is really good!

The crispy tacos are probably what I get the most of, followed by their
grilled steak thingies (can't think of it off the top of my head but I
know it when I look at the drive thru menu), and any other item that
does not include the uncooked flour tortillas. ;-d

Quick, inexpensive and usually quite tasty!

And I get to take it home, put on a movie and take my time consuming it.

And they have root beer at the fountain!!!

I'd say they are my favorite fast food, followed closely by Jack in the
Box which has a very varied menu..... ;-) Churches Chicken is good too,
but has the WORST fries on the planet!

And I almost never go to McDonalds. <ick> ;-P

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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:40:03 -0600, Katra
> wrote:

>I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but Taco Bell is one
>of my favorite places to eat for Mexican food! You just have to know
>what to order, and our local one is really good!
>
>The crispy tacos are probably what I get the most of, followed by their
>grilled steak thingies (can't think of it off the top of my head but I
>know it when I look at the drive thru menu), and any other item that
>does not include the uncooked flour tortillas. ;-d

I like Taco Bell. I wouldn't call it my favorite place for Mexican
food. I like the burrito grande, which has the uncooked flour
tortilla. Oh well.

>I'd say they are my favorite fast food, followed closely by Jack in the
>Box which has a very varied menu..... ;-) Churches Chicken is good too,
>but has the WORST fries on the planet!
>
>And I almost never go to McDonalds. <ick> ;-P

I almost never go to any fast food place, even the ones I like. It's
been years since I've had a double-meat Whopper with extra cheese and
extra onions. Or a tuna sub with a chocolate malt from the hot truck
(near the dorms in college) ... Ah, to be young again, or at least
have young metabolism :>

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Katra wrote:
>
> I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but Taco Bell is
one
> of my favorite places to eat for Mexican food!

Not flamed, but corrected and gently nudged to raise your standards...

> You just have to know
> what to order, and our local one is really good!

Your local one serves exactly the same prepackaged food as all the
others.
>
> The crispy tacos are probably what I get the most of, followed by
their
> grilled steak thingies (can't think of it off the top of my head but
I
> know it when I look at the drive thru menu), and any other item that
> does not include the uncooked flour tortillas. ;-d

You probably mean steak fajitas. Uncooked flour tortillas would be raw
dough. You mean the tortillas are not fried.
>
> Quick, inexpensive and usually quite tasty!

I'm not going to quarrel with what you find tasty, but real Mexican
cuisine is varied and imaginative and delicious. It's definitely worth
searching out restaurants that offer more than Taco Bell. -aem

"Katra" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Kate Connally > wrote:
>
> > aem wrote:
> > >
> > > Kate Connally wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > > > I don't know if we're "anti-goat" so much as just not used to
> > > > it. It never became a popular meat here. I love it myself if
> > > > properly prepared. I like the Caribbean goat curry best.
> > > > The Indian dishes I don't care for as much, even though I
> > > > really love Indian food. To my taste the flavor of their
> > > > sauces don't go as well with the flavor of goat as do the
> > > > Caribben sauces.
> > >
> > > I like the Mexican (Jalisco origin, I think) birria, a spicy stew.
> > > Fortunately, there are many places in SoCalifornia that serve
t. -aem
> >
> > I've never had birria, but I love goat tacos. There's a stand
> > in the Central Market in L. A. that makes them. Just barbecued
> > goat meat and whatever salsa you want on it. It's a soft taco
> > on a corn tortilla - the only kind to make!! (P. S. I made the
> > mistake of not inquiring about it's ingredients before ordering
> > a soft taco at Taco Bell the other night (yeah, I know, blecch,
> > but I had almost no cash and just needed something to nosh on
> > while my car was being serviced and I was missing dinner - it's
> > cheap and filling and not too bad tasting). They used a plain
> > unheated, ungrilled, un-anything *FLOUR* tortilla! Yuck! What
> > are these people thinking? But I should have known better.
> > (Rant off)
> >
> > Kate
>
> I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but Taco Bell is one
> of my favorite places to eat for Mexican food! You just have to know
> what to order, and our local one is really good!
>
You are very lucky. The one in my area gets the orders wrong every time and
I call it Taco Hell. Haven't been there in about 8 years as a result. I
don't want to have to check my order at the drive-thru every time. It's not
rocket science - I want 6 crispy corn tortilla tacos without lettuce, okay?
Invariably I'd get 2 steak fajitas with extra peppers and 4 beef/bean
burritos with extra lettuce. When I want tacos I make them at home. Or I
do quesadillas. The market down the street sells some nice chorizo and
Queso farmer's cheese. Add some spinach with that between two tortillas and
you've got a meal!

Jill

I love --

Popeye's red beans and rice
Taco Bell bean burritos with hot sauce
Sonic chili dogs, tater tots, and chocolate malts with extra, extra
malt

Tara

"Katra" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Kate Connally > wrote:
>
>> aem wrote:
>> >
>> > Kate Connally wrote:
>> > [snip]
>> > > I don't know if we're "anti-goat" so much as just not used to
>> > > it. It never became a popular meat here. I love it myself if
>> > > properly prepared. I like the Caribbean goat curry best.
>> > > The Indian dishes I don't care for as much, even though I
>> > > really love Indian food. To my taste the flavor of their
>> > > sauces don't go as well with the flavor of goat as do the
>> > > Caribben sauces.
>> >
>> > I like the Mexican (Jalisco origin, I think) birria, a spicy stew.
>> > Fortunately, there are many places in SoCalifornia that serve it. -aem
>>
>> I've never had birria, but I love goat tacos. There's a stand
>> in the Central Market in L. A. that makes them. Just barbecued
>> goat meat and whatever salsa you want on it. It's a soft taco
>> on a corn tortilla - the only kind to make!! (P. S. I made the
>> mistake of not inquiring about it's ingredients before ordering
>> a soft taco at Taco Bell the other night (yeah, I know, blecch,
>> but I had almost no cash and just needed something to nosh on
>> while my car was being serviced and I was missing dinner - it's
>> cheap and filling and not too bad tasting). They used a plain
>> unheated, ungrilled, un-anything *FLOUR* tortilla! Yuck! What
>> are these people thinking? But I should have known better.
>> (Rant off)
>>
>> Kate
>
> I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but Taco Bell is one
> of my favorite places to eat for Mexican food! You just have to know
> what to order, and our local one is really good!
>
> The crispy tacos are probably what I get the most of, followed by their
> grilled steak thingies (can't think of it off the top of my head but I
> know it when I look at the drive thru menu), and any other item that
> does not include the uncooked flour tortillas. ;-d
>
> Quick, inexpensive and usually quite tasty!
>
> And I get to take it home, put on a movie and take my time consuming it.
>
> And they have root beer at the fountain!!!
>
> I'd say they are my favorite fast food, followed closely by Jack in the
> Box which has a very varied menu..... ;-) Churches Chicken is good too,
> but has the WORST fries on the planet!
>
> And I almost never go to McDonalds. <ick> ;-P

No flame here. Let's see. Where I live, We have McDonalds, Taco Bell/KFC
combo, Arby's, Runza's, DQ, and Pizza Hut. Now, let's break this down:

McD's - Grew up on them. Like the Big and Tasty burger. The new chicken
strips ain't bad either!

Taco Bell/KFC - Love TB but the one here is a hit/miss on food quality. The
KFC side has a simple re-stocking problem since they seem to run out of
chicken at least once a week. "Welcome to Kentucky Fried Chicken. You can
order anything you want but we don't have chicken tonight."

Arby's - Cheddar Cheese combo please but with the sesame bun. Later, I'll
gladly use the restroom since Arby's seems to pass through me really quick.
I think it's the -meat- they use.

Runza's - Burgers taste almost like what Mom used to make. No complaints
here

DQ - Crap shoot here. Sometimes good, sometimes something you wouldn't give
to the dog.

Pizza Hut - Hate it. Shitty food and the local joint has a "don't give a
shit" attitude.

Now, I'd love to have some other fast food places here, I'm not holding my
breath. Any road trips we make, we eat at none of the aforementioned
places.

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In article >,
(Curly Sue) wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:40:03 -0600, Katra
> > wrote:
>
> >I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but Taco Bell is one
> >of my favorite places to eat for Mexican food! You just have to know
> >what to order, and our local one is really good!
> >
> >The crispy tacos are probably what I get the most of, followed by their
> >grilled steak thingies (can't think of it off the top of my head but I
> >know it when I look at the drive thru menu), and any other item that
> >does not include the uncooked flour tortillas. ;-d
>
> I like Taco Bell. I wouldn't call it my favorite place for Mexican
> food. I like the burrito grande, which has the uncooked flour
> tortilla. Oh well.

They have a few things with flour tortillas that they grill. I like them
crispy.

>
> >I'd say they are my favorite fast food, followed closely by Jack in the
> >Box which has a very varied menu..... ;-) Churches Chicken is good too,
> >but has the WORST fries on the planet!
> >
> >And I almost never go to McDonalds. <ick> ;-P
>
> I almost never go to any fast food place, even the ones I like. It's
> been years since I've had a double-meat Whopper with extra cheese and
> extra onions. Or a tuna sub with a chocolate malt from the hot truck
> (near the dorms in college) ... Ah, to be young again, or at least
> have young metabolism :>

<lol> I know that feeling....... ;-)

Kat (down 30 lbs. so far, but still have 93 to go... <sigh>
I have a $200.00 wager going with 2 guys at work and I only have 1 year
to lose it!)
>
> Sue(tm)
> Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

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In article .com>,
"aem" > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
> >
> > I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but Taco Bell is
> one
> > of my favorite places to eat for Mexican food!
>
> Not flamed, but corrected and gently nudged to raise your standards...

<giggles>
See, the problem with Texas is that there are as many mexican
restaurants around here as there are subatomic particles in the universe.

Squared.

Herberts here in San Marcos is actually famous thru at least 5 counties.
It's a little bitty hole in the wall and always has a line around the
block for lunch.

And nobody cares that they are frequently fined by the health dept. ;-)

I've been there and I don't see what all the fuss is about, except maybe
that they prices vs. portions are very good.

>
> > You just have to know
> > what to order, and our local one is really good!
>
> Your local one serves exactly the same prepackaged food as all the
> others.

But it depends on how fresh it is and how well it's cooked!
I HAVE been to a bad Taco Bell on the road... Probably cook ahead and
serve re-warmed for speed. :-P

> >
> > The crispy tacos are probably what I get the most of, followed by
> their
> > grilled steak thingies (can't think of it off the top of my head but
> I
> > know it when I look at the drive thru menu), and any other item that
> > does not include the uncooked flour tortillas. ;-d
>
> You probably mean steak fajitas. Uncooked flour tortillas would be raw
> dough. You mean the tortillas are not fried.

Well, those tortillas are grilled with the steak inside.
Their steak quesadillas are also pretty good!

> >
> > Quick, inexpensive and usually quite tasty!
>
> I'm not going to quarrel with what you find tasty, but real Mexican
> cuisine is varied and imaginative and delicious. It's definitely worth
> searching out restaurants that offer more than Taco Bell. -aem

Yes, you are probably quite correct!
It's just that T-bell is quick and convenient.

If I really want to go out for Mexican, I've heard Mamacita's is good
but expensive! I've not been there yet.

Usually, the smaller "mom and pop" places are the best where you get
really authentic food... I need to check Austin.food for recommendations
next time I get serious about "real" mexican food.

I really do know better! I just really like the speed and convenience of
Taco Bell, and the food is very acceptable, especially in comparison to
the vast majority of "fast food" places. :-)

>

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In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> "Katra" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > Kate Connally > wrote:
> >
> > > aem wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Kate Connally wrote:
> > > > [snip]
> > > > > I don't know if we're "anti-goat" so much as just not used to
> > > > > it. It never became a popular meat here. I love it myself if
> > > > > properly prepared. I like the Caribbean goat curry best.
> > > > > The Indian dishes I don't care for as much, even though I
> > > > > really love Indian food. To my taste the flavor of their
> > > > > sauces don't go as well with the flavor of goat as do the
> > > > > Caribben sauces.
> > > >
> > > > I like the Mexican (Jalisco origin, I think) birria, a spicy stew.
> > > > Fortunately, there are many places in SoCalifornia that serve
> t. -aem
> > >
> > > I've never had birria, but I love goat tacos. There's a stand
> > > in the Central Market in L. A. that makes them. Just barbecued
> > > goat meat and whatever salsa you want on it. It's a soft taco
> > > on a corn tortilla - the only kind to make!! (P. S. I made the
> > > mistake of not inquiring about it's ingredients before ordering
> > > a soft taco at Taco Bell the other night (yeah, I know, blecch,
> > > but I had almost no cash and just needed something to nosh on
> > > while my car was being serviced and I was missing dinner - it's
> > > cheap and filling and not too bad tasting). They used a plain
> > > unheated, ungrilled, un-anything *FLOUR* tortilla! Yuck! What
> > > are these people thinking? But I should have known better.
> > > (Rant off)
> > >
> > > Kate
> >
> > I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but Taco Bell is one
> > of my favorite places to eat for Mexican food! You just have to know
> > what to order, and our local one is really good!
> >
> You are very lucky. The one in my area gets the orders wrong every time and
> I call it Taco Hell. Haven't been there in about 8 years as a result. I
> don't want to have to check my order at the drive-thru every time. It's not
> rocket science - I want 6 crispy corn tortilla tacos without lettuce, okay?
> Invariably I'd get 2 steak fajitas with extra peppers and 4 beef/bean
> burritos with extra lettuce. When I want tacos I make them at home. Or I
> do quesadillas. The market down the street sells some nice chorizo and
> Queso farmer's cheese. Add some spinach with that between two tortillas and
> you've got a meal!
>
> Jill
>
>

Mmmmmm... Best Quesadillas are made in the foreman grill! :-)
Quick, and crisps up the tortillas nicely with less butter.

Jack cheese with shrimp is one of my fav' home made ones.

I'm sorry you have a bad T-Bell!
I live in a college town and the T-Bell is right on the edge of the
University. I don't know if that makes a difference, but lots of small
places here go out of business all the time. I've lived here now for 22
years and it's still the same one in the same location.

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In article >,
Tara > wrote:

> I love --
>
> Popeye's red beans and rice

Hmmm... I don't usually do Popeye's.
I don't like their chicken. Too spicy.

They do offer deep fried turkeys at Thanksgiving but
I've not checked that out!

> Taco Bell bean burritos with hot sauce

Yeah! ;-d

> Sonic chili dogs, tater tots, and chocolate malts with extra, extra
> malt

Sonic Lime-ade's...

>
> Tara
>
>

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In article >,
"Maverick" > wrote:

> "Katra" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but Taco Bell is one
> > of my favorite places to eat for Mexican food! You just have to know
> > what to order, and our local one is really good!
> >
> > The crispy tacos are probably what I get the most of, followed by their
> > grilled steak thingies (can't think of it off the top of my head but I
> > know it when I look at the drive thru menu), and any other item that
> > does not include the uncooked flour tortillas. ;-d
> >
> > Quick, inexpensive and usually quite tasty!
> >
> > And I get to take it home, put on a movie and take my time consuming it.
> >
> > And they have root beer at the fountain!!!
> >
> > I'd say they are my favorite fast food, followed closely by Jack in the
> > Box which has a very varied menu..... ;-) Churches Chicken is good too,
> > but has the WORST fries on the planet!
> >
> > And I almost never go to McDonalds. <ick> ;-P
>
> No flame here. Let's see. Where I live, We have McDonalds, Taco Bell/KFC
> combo, Arby's, Runza's, DQ, and Pizza Hut. Now, let's break this down:
>
> McD's - Grew up on them. Like the Big and Tasty burger. The new chicken
> strips ain't bad either!

Might have to investigate that... My wheat intolerance has gotten worse
as I get older, so McNuggets are out!

Are those strips breaded?

>
> Taco Bell/KFC - Love TB but the one here is a hit/miss on food quality. The
> KFC side has a simple re-stocking problem since they seem to run out of
> chicken at least once a week. "Welcome to Kentucky Fried Chicken. You can
> order anything you want but we don't have chicken tonight."

<grins> Now THAT is a problem! ;-)

There is still nothing on earth like KFC original recipe.
I'd give my eye teeth for their spice/coating recipe! And how to cook
decent coated chicken. That's one other thing I don't have the hang of...

>
> Arby's - Cheddar Cheese combo please but with the sesame bun. Later, I'll
> gladly use the restroom since Arby's seems to pass through me really quick.
> I think it's the -meat- they use.

I used to love Arby's cheese and beef sammiches, but I've not been to an
Arby's now in over 10 years since I went low sodium.

To me, taking a bite of Arby's roast beef tastes like I just stuck a
spoonful of pure salt in my mouth. It's amazing how you totally lose
your taste for any heavily salted foods, and Arby's RB is not "real"
meat. <sigh>

>
> Runza's - Burgers taste almost like what Mom used to make. No complaints
> here

Never been there!

>
> DQ - Crap shoot here. Sometimes good, sometimes something you wouldn't give
> to the dog.

Still love DQ's plain ol' chocolate dipped cones... I think that's about
all I ever buy there except the occasional blizzard!

Current diet says no sugar tho' so it'll be awhile before I get that
treat!

>
> Pizza Hut - Hate it. Shitty food and the local joint has a "don't give a
> shit" attitude.

Agreed.
I've not been to a PH in, oh, at least 13 years.

>
> Now, I'd love to have some other fast food places here, I'm not holding my
> breath. Any road trips we make, we eat at none of the aforementioned
> places.

What do you think of Wendy's?
I boycott them since they still buy Icelandic cod.
The Icelanders still kill whales and dolphins...

Long John Silvers is toooo expensive for what you get.

Red Lobster, Chili's, both WAY too heavy on the salt on most main dishes!

Subway.
No Wheat, but they are starting to cater to the low carb crowd, so I may
give them another shot, but luncheon meats are often too salty.

I can still always eat Church's fried chicken. :-)

I also still really like the grilled flavor of Burger King burgers.

DQ fries are usually reliably good.

IHOP is so so, as is Denny's. Ok for a quick coffee stop if you need a
road break to wake up. Not places I'd recommend, but ok if you are
desparate for a quicky ham and egg brekky.

I don't really eat much fast food unless I really am on a long road
trip, or just being lazy and don't feel like cooking which is rare. ;-)

If we are really short on time, dad will usually grab a hot rotiserie
chicken from Wal-mart.
>
> Bret
>
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> What do you think of Wendy's?
> I boycott them since they still buy Icelandic cod.
> The Icelanders still kill whales and dolphins...


Iceland have done some research whaling of minkie whale, a specie that
even Greenpeace admits are in no danger, it is one of the healthiest
whale populations in the world. Iceland has never caught dolphins and
Icelanders would never catch a whale of a specie that is endangers.
(Iceland even made whaling in it=B4s waters illegal between 1915 and the
late 1960=B4s because of the whaling there (mostly by British whalers,
was being to much for the whale stocks)
The US kill dolphins by the thousands and they kill more whales than
Iceland does, so do Japan, Russia and Norway. Do you boycott the
products of these countries, hypocrite?

In article . com>,
wrote:

> Katra wrote:
>
>
> > What do you think of Wendy's?
> > I boycott them since they still buy Icelandic cod.
> > The Icelanders still kill whales and dolphins...
>
>
> Iceland have done some research whaling of minkie whale, a specie that
> even Greenpeace admits are in no danger, it is one of the healthiest
> whale populations in the world. Iceland has never caught dolphins and
> Icelanders would never catch a whale of a specie that is endangers.
> (Iceland even made whaling in it´s waters illegal between 1915 and the
> late 1960´s because of the whaling there (mostly by British whalers,
> was being to much for the whale stocks)
> The US kill dolphins by the thousands and they kill more whales than
> Iceland does, so do Japan, Russia and Norway. Do you boycott the
> products of these countries, hypocrite?
>

Icelandic fishing fleets do not use "dolphin safe" nets.
US fishing fleets do.

Eating Minke whales is tantamount to cannabalism as
Whales are a sentient species.

This makes you both a hypocrite and a cannibal.
--
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:


> Icelandic fishing fleets do not use "dolphin safe" nets.
> US fishing fleets do.

Then why do the US fishing fleets catch dolphins by the thousands each
year while Icelandic fishermen catch none?

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:35:11 -0600, Katra
> wrote:

>In article >,
> (Curly Sue) wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:40:03 -0600, Katra
>> > wrote:

>> (near the dorms in college) ... Ah, to be young again, or at least
>> have young metabolism :>
>
><lol> I know that feeling....... ;-)
>
>Kat (down 30 lbs. so far, but still have 93 to go... <sigh>
>I have a $200.00 wager going with 2 guys at work and I only have 1 year
>to lose it!)

Congratulations on the good work so far and good luck!

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

"Katra" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
> > "Katra" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >,
> > > Kate Connally > wrote:
> > >
> > > > aem wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Kate Connally wrote:
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > I don't know if we're "anti-goat" so much as just not used to
> > > > > > it.
> > -aem
> > > >
> > > > I've never had birria, but I love goat tacos. There's a stand
> > > > in the Central Market in L. A. that makes them. Just barbecued
> > > > goat meat and whatever salsa you want on it. It's a soft taco
> > > > on a corn tortilla - the only kind to make!! (P. S. I made the
> > > > mistake of not inquiring about it's ingredients before ordering
> > > > a soft taco at Taco Bell the other night (yeah, I know, blecch,
> > > > (Rant off)
> > > >
> > > > Kate
> > >
> > > I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but Taco Bell is one
> > > of my favorite places to eat for Mexican food! You just have to know
> > > what to order, and our local one is really good!
> > >
> > You are very lucky. The one in my area gets the orders wrong every time
and
> > I call it Taco Hell.
Or I
> > do quesadillas. The market down the street sells some nice chorizo and
> > Queso farmer's cheese. Add some spinach with that between two tortillas
and
> > you've got a meal!
> >
> > Jill
> >
>
> Mmmmmm... Best Quesadillas are made in the foreman grill! :-)
> Quick, and crisps up the tortillas nicely with less butter.
>
I have a quesadilla baker and spray canola oil on it It's one of the few
small kitchen appliances I get regular use out of.

> Jack cheese with shrimp is one of my fav' home made ones.
>
Yep, that's excellent, too! Or mushroom, cheese and spinach (can you tell I
adore spinach?)

> I'm sorry you have a bad T-Bell!

The service just sucked, that's all. When I did go there I'd say, "This
isn't what I ordered" and their attitude was, "Are you sure?" I think I
know what I ordered!

Jill

> I live in a college town and the T-Bell is right on the edge of the
> University. I don't know if that makes a difference, but lots of small
> places here go out of business all the time. I've lived here now for 22
> years and it's still the same one in the same location.
>
> --
> K.
>
> Sprout the Mung Bean to reply...
>
> There is no need to change the world. All we have to do is toilet train
the world and we'll never have to change it again. -- Swami Beyondanada
>
> >,,<Cat's Haven Hobby Farm>,,<Katraatcenturyteldotnet>,,<
>
>
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In article >,
(Curly Sue) wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:35:11 -0600, Katra
> > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > (Curly Sue) wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:40:03 -0600, Katra
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> (near the dorms in college) ... Ah, to be young again, or at least
> >> have young metabolism :>
> >
> ><lol> I know that feeling....... ;-)
> >
> >Kat (down 30 lbs. so far, but still have 93 to go... <sigh>
> >I have a $200.00 wager going with 2 guys at work and I only have 1 year
> >to lose it!)
>
> Congratulations on the good work so far and good luck!
>
> Sue(tm)
> Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Thanks! :-)
Going to see a good endocrinologist finally paid off......
And she is so fun and so sweet too!
--
K.

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> "Katra" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Mmmmmm... Best Quesadillas are made in the foreman grill! :-)
> > Quick, and crisps up the tortillas nicely with less butter.
> >
> I have a quesadilla baker and spray canola oil on it It's one of the few
> small kitchen appliances I get regular use out of.

Cool! :-)
What's it look like?

>
> > Jack cheese with shrimp is one of my fav' home made ones.
> >
> Yep, that's excellent, too! Or mushroom, cheese and spinach (can you tell I
> adore spinach?)

Heheheh! I buy the pre-washed bags of baby spinach! I love it too and
those have a variety of uses. I prefer the fresh to canned but the
bunches are a PITA to get all the sand out of.

>
> > I'm sorry you have a bad T-Bell!
>
> The service just sucked, that's all. When I did go there I'd say, "This
> isn't what I ordered" and their attitude was, "Are you sure?" I think I
> know what I ordered!
>
> Jill

<shakes head>
Sounds like the corporate headquarters needs an e-mail......


>
> > I live in a college town and the T-Bell is right on the edge of the
> > University. I don't know if that makes a difference, but lots of small
> > places here go out of business all the time. I've lived here now for 22
> > years and it's still the same one in the same location.
> >
> > --
> > K.
> >
> > Sprout the Mung Bean to reply...
> >
> > There is no need to change the world. All we have to do is toilet train
> the world and we'll never have to change it again. -- Swami Beyondanada
> >
> > >,,<Cat's Haven Hobby Farm>,,<Katraatcenturyteldotnet>,,<
> >
> >
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> atra
>
>
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"Katra" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
> > "Katra" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > Mmmmmm... Best Quesadillas are made in the foreman grill! :-)
> > > Quick, and crisps up the tortillas nicely with less butter.
> > >
> > I have a quesadilla baker and spray canola oil on it It's one of the
few
> > small kitchen appliances I get regular use out of.
>
> Cool! :-)
> What's it look like?
>
Like this:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...582823-2269542

> >
> > > Jack cheese with shrimp is one of my fav' home made ones.
> > >
> > Yep, that's excellent, too! Or mushroom, cheese and spinach (can you
tell I
> > adore spinach?)
>
> Heheheh! I buy the pre-washed bags of baby spinach! I love it too and
> those have a variety of uses. I prefer the fresh to canned but the
> bunches are a PITA to get all the sand out of.
>
Canned spinach sucks; frozen leaf spinach (not chopped) is a pretty good
pre-washed substitute for the fresh stuff.

> >
> > > I'm sorry you have a bad T-Bell!
> >
> > The service just sucked, that's all. When I did go there I'd say, "This
> > isn't what I ordered" and their attitude was, "Are you sure?" I think I
> > know what I ordered!
> >
> > Jill
>
> <shakes head>
> Sounds like the corporate headquarters needs an e-mail......
>
I don't care enough to bother. It wasn't the corporation, it was the local
employees. (sigh)

Jill

>
> >
> > > I live in a college town and the T-Bell is right on the edge of the
> > > University. I don't know if that makes a difference, but lots of small
> > > places here go out of business all the time. I've lived here now for
22
> > > years and it's still the same one in the same location.
> > >
> > > --
> > > K.
> > >
> > > Sprout the Mung Bean to reply...
> > >
> > > There is no need to change the world. All we have to do is toilet
train
> > the world and we'll never have to change it again. -- Swami Beyondanada
> > >
> > > >,,<Cat's Haven Hobby Farm>,,<Katraatcenturyteldotnet>,,<
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > atra
> >
> >
> --
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:19:46 -0700, "Maverick"
> wrote:

>
>
>Taco Bell/KFC - Love TB but the one here is a hit/miss on food quality. The
>KFC side has a simple re-stocking problem since they seem to run out of
>chicken at least once a week. "Welcome to Kentucky Fried Chicken. You can
>order anything you want but we don't have chicken tonight."
>

Anyone remember when Taco Bell sold Bell Beefers (earlier called Bell
Burgers)? It was a loose meat (beef) sandwich on a steamed hamburger
bun. The meat seemed to be the same seasoned ground beef used in the
tacos. Shredded cheese was also included.

Does anyone remember when Kentucky Fried Chicken sold hamburgers. In
1965-66 in San Jose, California, local KFC's sold hamburgers. They had
a thousand island dressing type of sauce in them and they were really
good.


Rusty
Sacramento, CA

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> "Katra" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "jmcquown" > wrote:
> >
> > > "Katra" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > Mmmmmm... Best Quesadillas are made in the foreman grill! :-)
> > > > Quick, and crisps up the tortillas nicely with less butter.
> > > >
> > > I have a quesadilla baker and spray canola oil on it It's one of the
> few
> > > small kitchen appliances I get regular use out of.
> >
> > Cool! :-)
> > What's it look like?
> >
> Like this:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...582823-2269542

Wow, fancy! :-)
Looks like quesadillas are a regular part of your diet eh? <lol>
I adore them as well, but at this point I just use the foreman and fold
them over. I use low carb tortillas.

>
> > >
> > > > Jack cheese with shrimp is one of my fav' home made ones.
> > > >
> > > Yep, that's excellent, too! Or mushroom, cheese and spinach (can you
> tell I
> > > adore spinach?)
> >
> > Heheheh! I buy the pre-washed bags of baby spinach! I love it too and
> > those have a variety of uses. I prefer the fresh to canned but the
> > bunches are a PITA to get all the sand out of.
> >
> Canned spinach sucks; frozen leaf spinach (not chopped) is a pretty good
> pre-washed substitute for the fresh stuff.

I've honestly never tried frozen spinach...
I've never been overly fond of frozen veggies except for frozen niblet
corn. ;-d

I have SO much chard growing in the garden this year tho' I don't
anticipate having to buy much spinach! <lol>
I'ts growing very well! I'm hoping the heat this summer won't kill it. I
might erect a shade cloth if it becomes a problem, or transplant it into
large contaiers inside the shaded greenhouse.

I adore chard. Even more than spinach!

>
> > >
> > > > I'm sorry you have a bad T-Bell!
> > >
> > > The service just sucked, that's all. When I did go there I'd say, "This
> > > isn't what I ordered" and their attitude was, "Are you sure?" I think I
> > > know what I ordered!
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > <shakes head>
> > Sounds like the corporate headquarters needs an e-mail......
> >
> I don't care enough to bother. It wasn't the corporation, it was the local
> employees. (sigh)
>
> Jill

Indeed...
Did you talk to the manager?

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Katra wrote:
>
> Kat (down 30 lbs. so far, but still have 93 to go... <sigh>
> I have a $200.00 wager going with 2 guys at work and I only have 1
year
> to lose it!)
> >




You have a $200 bet that you can lose 123lbs in a year? Well, it's an
admirable goal (if that's what you need to lose), but are you sure this
is entirely safe? In fact, it sounds downright reckless to me.

Are you absolutely certain?


(Well done on the 30 so far, though!)

In article .com>,
"Mad Dan" > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
> >
> > Kat (down 30 lbs. so far, but still have 93 to go... <sigh>
> > I have a $200.00 wager going with 2 guys at work and I only have 1
> year
> > to lose it!)
> > >
>
>
>
>
> You have a $200 bet that you can lose 123 lbs in a year? Well, it's an
> admirable goal (if that's what you need to lose), but are you sure this
> is entirely safe? In fact, it sounds downright reckless to me.

Why? :-)
A good diet if followed properly (and supplemented with a walking
program) SHOULD lose you 10 lbs. per month...

I started Jan. 4th so am on schedule at this point...

>
> Are you absolutely certain?

Yes.

And yes, I need to lose 123 lbs. I started at 273 and my goal weight is
150. I'm 5' 6" with a heavy bone structure. I plan to start weight
lifting again once I get below 200. Muscle is heavy and I tend to gain
muscle fairly easily if I keep my protein intake up and practice proper
weight training techniques.

Last time I lost weight, (12 years ago) I lost 80 lbs. in 6 months, but
I starved it off so that is why it came back. I'd fast for 3 to 5 days
at a time. The longest I fasted was 2 weeks. I was also weight lifting
heavy 3 days per week at the same time. Oddly enough, I never did feel
weak. <G> I managed to get my deadlift up to 210 lbs. Never could bench
over 90 tho'. :-(

The dangers of fasting are over-rated. I did take a lot of vitamin
supplements, including amino acids.

I do NOT however recommend that to anyone! <lol>

This time I've made a LOT of permanent lifestyle and dietary changes. I
don't eat the way I used to. Not at all, nor will I ever again.

For one thing, I've spent the last 10 years learning nutrition and
learning how to cook! <G>

And my Dr. has finally helped me get my thyroid levels right with the
right Thyrolar dosages, and we are addressing the insulin resistance
issue.

>
>
> (Well done on the 30 so far, though!)

Thanks!

I'll report at the end of the year if I was successful...
And I'll post pictures. ;-)

Kat

>

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Katra wrote:
<snip>

> > Are you absolutely certain?
>
> Yes.
>
> And yes, I need to lose 123 lbs. I started at 273 and my goal weight
is
> 150. I'm 5' 6" with a heavy bone structure. I plan to start weight
> lifting again once I get below 200. Muscle is heavy and I tend to
gain
> muscle fairly easily if I keep my protein intake up and practice
proper
> weight training techniques.
>

Just a tip. If you get to a plateau and can't seem to get off, try
throwing in 3-6 oz of extra protein every 2-3 days at uneven intervals,
for two weeks. After that, you should lose easily again.

Best of luck with your plan - it's ambitious, but you can do it!

-L.
(Duchess of Dieting)

In article .com>,
"-L." > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > > Are you absolutely certain?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > And yes, I need to lose 123 lbs. I started at 273 and my goal weight
> is
> > 150. I'm 5' 6" with a heavy bone structure. I plan to start weight
> > lifting again once I get below 200. Muscle is heavy and I tend to
> gain
> > muscle fairly easily if I keep my protein intake up and practice
> proper
> > weight training techniques.
> >
>
> Just a tip. If you get to a plateau and can't seem to get off, try
> throwing in 3-6 oz of extra protein every 2-3 days at uneven intervals,
> for two weeks. After that, you should lose easily again.

Groovy! :-)
I've found that just about any variance from the regular diet can break
a plateau, but that is a great tip, thanks!

>
> Best of luck with your plan - it's ambitious, but you can do it!
>
> -L.
> (Duchess of Dieting)

<lol>
Same here... Been fighting this all my life,
but I think I have it down to the right science for my own body this
time!

Thank you!
Kat
>
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Katra wrote:

> And yes, I need to lose 123 lbs. I started at 273 and my goal weight is
> 150. I'm 5' 6" with a heavy bone structure. I plan to start weight
> lifting again once I get below 200. Muscle is heavy and I tend to gain
> muscle fairly easily if I keep my protein intake up and practice proper
> weight training techniques.
>
> Last time I lost weight, (12 years ago) I lost 80 lbs. in 6 months, but
> I starved it off so that is why it came back. I'd fast for 3 to 5 days
> at a time. The longest I fasted was 2 weeks. I was also weight lifting
> heavy 3 days per week at the same time. Oddly enough, I never did feel
> weak. <G> I managed to get my deadlift up to 210 lbs. Never could bench
> over 90 tho'. :-(

I can lose weight quickly by cutting back on intake, especially sugars. The problem is that when the diet ends the weight comes back with interest,
and the first taste of sugar in a few weeks seats me off on a sugar binge and I lose my conscience. I once managed to lose 30 pounds, but 3-4 pounds
per year sneaking back on add up.

Bad eating habits at work did not help matters much, so now that I am retired it is time to get serious about losing some weight. Besides, I took up
horseback riding and it would be easier for me and for the horses if there was less of me to lug around. I had a membership at the Y, but it was 25
miles away and I did not get down there often enough. This month a new Y facility opened up only 3 miles from my house. I have no excuses now. I go
there every day and my exercise regime lasts about 1 1/2 hours. It was disappointing the first week when I gained a few pounds, but now I am losing
2-3 pounds per week.

The net loss is not that great yet, but clothing is starting to get loose on me. I feel a lot more energetic and I find the riding lessons less
tiring.

In article >,
Katra > wrote:

> In article .com>,
> "-L." > wrote:
....
> > > And yes, I need to lose 123 lbs. I started at 273 and my goal weight
> > is
> > > 150. I'm 5' 6" with a heavy bone structure. I plan to start weight
> > > lifting again once I get below 200. Muscle is heavy and I tend to
> > gain
> > > muscle fairly easily if I keep my protein intake up and practice
> > proper
> > > weight training techniques.
> > >
> >
> > Just a tip. If you get to a plateau and can't seem to get off, try
> > throwing in 3-6 oz of extra protein every 2-3 days at uneven intervals,
> > for two weeks. After that, you should lose easily again.
>
> Groovy! :-)
> I've found that just about any variance from the regular diet can break
> a plateau, but that is a great tip, thanks!

You may want to resume weight training sooner -- cardio doesn't
give the same degree of post-workout increase in the metabolism,
and lifting should help to keep muscle loss lower than fat loss.
I don't have as much to go, nor as ambitious a program, but I'm
now trying to shake myself off a plateau. Good luck!

_.-In rec.food.cooking, Katra wrote the following -._
> Kat (down 30 lbs. so far, but still have 93 to go... <sigh>
> I have a $200.00 wager going with 2 guys at work and I only have 1 year
> to lose it!)

The max amount anyone should try to loose without a once a week doctor
visit is about 115 figuring 2 pounds a week give or take a little.
You may want to rethink your bet.

Loosing even 100 a year is unsafe and can lead to lots of medical
problems that you may not be aware of. Please see a doctor.

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