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I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help bind
together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour would be too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? Recipe follows: 3 oz. crab meat 6 oz. ground pork 6 large shrimp, minced* 1 Tbs. water 1-1/2 tsp. cornstarch 1/4 tsp. garlic powder 1 egg 1-1/2 tsp. light soy sauce 1 Tbs. oil 1/2 tsp. pepper *or 1 can baby shrimp, well drained Combine all ingredients except wonton wrappers. Place 1 Tbs. filling in the center of each wrapper and fold and pinch to seal with moistened fingers. Cover and steam over boiling water 20-25 minutes. Jill -- I used to have a handle on life...but it broke off. |
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![]() "jmcquown" > wrote in message ... >I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help bind > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour would > be > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? <snip> > > Jill > -- > I used to have a handle on life...but it broke off. http://www.foodsubs.com/ThickenStarch.html Go here and see what you have. Got any tapioca |
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Dimitri wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message > ... > >I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help bind > > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour would > > be > > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? > > <snip> > > > > > Jill > > -- > > I used to have a handle on life...but it broke off. > > http://www.foodsubs.com/ThickenStarch.html > > Go here and see what you have. > > Got any tapioca Tapioca would probably take too long. I use it in sour cherry pies and it takes a good 45 minutes even after partial cooking. Those little dumplings take just a few minutes. |
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![]() "Dave Smith" > wrote in message ... > Dimitri wrote: > >> "jmcquown" > wrote in message >> ... >> >I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help >> >bind >> > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour >> > would >> > be >> > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? >> >> <snip> >> >> > >> > Jill >> > -- >> > I used to have a handle on life...but it broke off. >> >> http://www.foodsubs.com/ThickenStarch.html >> >> Go here and see what you have. >> >> Got any tapioca > > Tapioca would probably take too long. I use it in sour cherry pies and it > takes > a good 45 minutes even after partial cooking. Those little dumplings take > just > a few minutes. If the answer was yes she could have made tapioca flour. Dimitri http://www.foodsubs.com/ThickenStarc...pioca%20starch tapioca starch = tapioca flour = cassava flour = yucca starch = almidon de yuca Notes: Tapioca is a good choice for thickening pie fillings, since it thickens at a lower temperature than cornstarch, remains stable when frozen, and imparts a glossy sheen. Many pie recipes call for instant tapioca instead of tapioca starch, but instant tapioca doesn't dissolve completely and leaves small gelatinous blobs suspended in the liquid. This isn't a problem in a two-crust pies, but the blobs are more noticeable in single-crust pies. Tapioca starch is finely ground so that it dissolves completely, eliminating the gelatinous blob problem. The starch is also sometimes used to thicken soups, stews, and sauces, but the glossy finish looks a bit unnatural in these kinds of dishes. It works quickly, though, so it's a good choice if you want to correct a sauce just before serving it. Some recipes for baked goods also call for tapioca flour because it imparts a chewier texture. Substitutes: instant tapioca (Also good for thickening pie fillings. If you like, pulverize the beads in a blender before using.) OR Instant ClearJel® OR sweet rice flour (also remains stable when frozen) OR cornstarch (doesn't dissolve as easily, separates if frozen) OR arrowroot (separates if frozen) OR potato starch (separates if frozen) OR rice starch (separates if frozen) OR instant flour (use twice as much; sauce will be opaque, not clear; separates if frozen) |
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![]() "Dave Smith" > wrote in message ... > Dimitri wrote: > >> "jmcquown" > wrote in message >> ... >> >I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help >> >bind >> > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour >> > would >> > be >> > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? >> >> <snip> >> >> > >> > Jill >> > -- >> > I used to have a handle on life...but it broke off. >> >> http://www.foodsubs.com/ThickenStarch.html >> >> Go here and see what you have. >> >> Got any tapioca > > Tapioca would probably take too long. I use it in sour cherry pies and it > takes > a good 45 minutes even after partial cooking. Those little dumplings take > just > a few minutes. |
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![]() "Dimitri" > wrote in message om... > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message > ... > >I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help bind > > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour would > > be > > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? > > <snip> > > > > > Jill > > -- > > I used to have a handle on life...but it broke off. > > http://www.foodsubs.com/ThickenStarch.html > > Go here and see what you have. > > Got any tapioca > Nope, no tapioca. Jill |
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![]() jmcquown wrote: > I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help bind > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour would be > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? > > Recipe follows: > > 3 oz. crab meat > 6 oz. ground pork > 6 large shrimp, minced* > 1 Tbs. water > 1-1/2 tsp. cornstarch > 1/4 tsp. garlic powder > 1 egg > 1-1/2 tsp. light soy sauce > 1 Tbs. oil > 1/2 tsp. pepper > > *or 1 can baby shrimp, well drained > Combine all ingredients except wonton wrappers. Place 1 Tbs. filling in the > center of each wrapper and fold and pinch to seal with moistened fingers. > Cover and steam over boiling water 20-25 minutes. > > Jill > -- > I used to have a handle on life...but it broke off. Several websites on Google list these as substitutes: Cornstarch Substitute For 1 tablespoon, use 2 tablespoons all-purpose flour; 1 tablespoon potato flour or rice flour; 4 teaspoons quick-cooking tapioca; or 2 teaspoons arrowroot. ====== Cornstarch in the United States and cornflour in the UK are the same product. If you don't have cornstarch you can use double the amount of flour but it must be boiled for a while or it will taste starchy. Potato flour is not a flour it is a starch and another equivalent to cornstarch. Arrowroot is also and equivalent of cornstarch but it works at a lower temperature. ===== Rusty |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in
: > I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to > help bind together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I > think flour would be too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, > any suggestions? > > Perhaps you have potato starch? Or tapioca? -- No Bread Crumbs were hurt in the making of this Meal. Type 2 Diabetic 1AC 7.3, 5.5, 5.6 mmol Continuing to be Manitoban |
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![]() jmcquown wrote: > I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help bind > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour would be > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? > > Recipe follows: > > 3 oz. crab meat > 6 oz. ground pork > 6 large shrimp, minced* > 1 Tbs. water > 1-1/2 tsp. cornstarch > 1/4 tsp. garlic powder > 1 egg > 1-1/2 tsp. light soy sauce > 1 Tbs. oil > 1/2 tsp. pepper > > *or 1 can baby shrimp, well drained > Combine all ingredients except wonton wrappers. Place 1 Tbs. filling in the > center of each wrapper and fold and pinch to seal with moistened fingers. > Cover and steam over boiling water 20-25 minutes. > > Jill I've actually watched such items as dumpling/wonton filling being made at Chinese restaurants (I'm always snooping at food prep), they don't use corn starch or any other starch as a binder... they use egg white (no yolk)... starch is a great thickener (and filler) but a really lousy binder, especially when ingredients begin to ooze liquid... in the above recipe the cornstarch is there to absorb the liquid steaming from the meat during cooking, otherwise by the time it's served there'll be a puddle in the dish and the filling texture will become like it's pre-eaten... the egg is the binder... if you have no starch you may want to add a small bit of cooked white rice to the mixture. But I'd question the Asian authenticity of that recipe when it calls for whole egg. |
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![]() "Sheldon" > wrote in message oups.com... > > jmcquown wrote: > > I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help > bind > > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour > would be > > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? > > > > Recipe follows: > > > > 3 oz. crab meat > > 6 oz. ground pork > > 6 large shrimp, minced* > > 1 Tbs. water > > 1-1/2 tsp. cornstarch > > 1/4 tsp. garlic powder > > 1 egg > > 1-1/2 tsp. light soy sauce > > 1 Tbs. oil > > 1/2 tsp. pepper > > > > *or 1 can baby shrimp, well drained > > Combine all ingredients except wonton wrappers. Place 1 Tbs. filling > in the > > center of each wrapper and fold and pinch to seal with moistened > fingers. > > Cover and steam over boiling water 20-25 minutes. > > > > Jill > > I've actually watched such items as dumpling/wonton filling being made > at Chinese restaurants (I'm always snooping at food prep), they don't > use corn starch or any other starch as a binder... they use egg white > (no yolk)... starch is a great thickener (and filler) but a really > lousy binder, especially when ingredients begin to ooze liquid... in > the above recipe the cornstarch is there to absorb the liquid steaming > from the meat during cooking, otherwise by the time it's served > there'll be a puddle in the dish and the filling texture will become > like it's pre-eaten... the egg is the binder... if you have no starch > you may want to add a small bit of cooked white rice to the mixture. > But I'd question the Asian authenticity of that recipe when it calls > for whole egg. > I got the recipe when we lived in Bangkok. Have you never heard of whole egg stirred into fried rice? I think I'll just add a tiny bit of flour as Barb suggested. Jill |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in
: > > "Sheldon" > wrote in message > oups.com... > > > > jmcquown wrote: > > > I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to > > > help > > bind > > > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think > > > flour > > would be > > > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? > > > > > > Recipe follows: > > > > > > 3 oz. crab meat > > > 6 oz. ground pork > > > 6 large shrimp, minced* > > > 1 Tbs. water > > > 1-1/2 tsp. cornstarch > > > 1/4 tsp. garlic powder > > > 1 egg > > > 1-1/2 tsp. light soy sauce > > > 1 Tbs. oil > > > 1/2 tsp. pepper > > > > > > *or 1 can baby shrimp, well drained > > > Combine all ingredients except wonton wrappers. Place 1 Tbs. > > > filling > > in the > > > center of each wrapper and fold and pinch to seal with moistened > > fingers. > > > Cover and steam over boiling water 20-25 minutes. > > > > > > Jill > > > > I've actually watched such items as dumpling/wonton filling being > > made at Chinese restaurants (I'm always snooping at food prep), > > they don't use corn starch or any other starch as a binder... they > > use egg white (no yolk)... starch is a great thickener (and > > filler) but a really lousy binder, especially when ingredients > > begin to ooze liquid... in the above recipe the cornstarch is > > there to absorb the liquid steaming from the meat during cooking, > > otherwise by the time it's served there'll be a puddle in the dish > > and the filling texture will become like it's pre-eaten... the egg > > is the binder... if you have no starch you may want to add a small > > bit of cooked white rice to the mixture. But I'd question the > > Asian authenticity of that recipe when it calls for whole egg. > > > I got the recipe when we lived in Bangkok. Have you never heard of > whole egg stirred into fried rice? I think I'll just add a tiny bit > of flour as Barb suggested. > > Jill > > > Or make rice flour with the wand blender? -- No Bread Crumbs were hurt in the making of this Meal. Type 2 Diabetic 1AC 7.3, 5.5, 5.6 mmol Continuing to be Manitoban |
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![]() jmcquown wrote: > "Sheldon" > wrote in message > oups.com... > > > > jmcquown wrote: > > > I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help > > bind > > > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour > > would be > > > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? > > > > > > Recipe follows: > > > > > > 3 oz. crab meat > > > 6 oz. ground pork > > > 6 large shrimp, minced* > > > 1 Tbs. water > > > 1-1/2 tsp. cornstarch > > > 1/4 tsp. garlic powder > > > 1 egg > > > 1-1/2 tsp. light soy sauce > > > 1 Tbs. oil > > > 1/2 tsp. pepper > > > > > > *or 1 can baby shrimp, well drained > > > Combine all ingredients except wonton wrappers. Place 1 Tbs. filling > > in the > > > center of each wrapper and fold and pinch to seal with moistened > > fingers. > > > Cover and steam over boiling water 20-25 minutes. > > > > > > Jill > > > > I've actually watched such items as dumpling/wonton filling being made > > at Chinese restaurants (I'm always snooping at food prep), they don't > > use corn starch or any other starch as a binder... they use egg white > > (no yolk)... starch is a great thickener (and filler) but a really > > lousy binder, especially when ingredients begin to ooze liquid... in > > the above recipe the cornstarch is there to absorb the liquid steaming > > from the meat during cooking, otherwise by the time it's served > > there'll be a puddle in the dish and the filling texture will become > > like it's pre-eaten... the egg is the binder... if you have no starch > > you may want to add a small bit of cooked white rice to the mixture. > > But I'd question the Asian authenticity of that recipe when it calls > > for whole egg. > > > I got the recipe when we lived in Bangkok. Have you never heard of whole > egg stirred into fried rice? You're not making fried rice. In fried rice the whole egg is first fried like an omelet and then used in bits as a garnish, raw egg is not blended into anything... in fact in Chinese fried rice only the yolk is fried, the whites are saved for other things, like stuffing mixtures, lobster sauce, hot n' sour soup, for coating seafood, etc. There's no egg yolk blended into stuffing mixtures. The yolks are used separately too, with egg drop soup, egg foo yong, etc. most of the whites are removed for other uses. Separating eggs is common in all cusines. You heard of hoodwinked, well you've been Bang Cocked! hehe Sheldon |
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Sheldon wrote:
[snip preceding] > > You're not making fried rice. In fried rice the whole egg is first > fried like an omelet and then used in bits as a garnish, raw egg is > not blended into anything... in fact in Chinese fried rice only the > yolk is fried, the whites are saved for other things, like stuffing mixtures, > lobster sauce, hot n' sour soup, for coating seafood, etc. There's no > egg yolk blended into stuffing mixtures. The yolks are used separately > too, with egg drop soup, egg foo yong, etc. most of the whites are > removed for other uses. Separating eggs is common in all cusines. You > heard of hoodwinked, well you've been Bang Cocked! hehe > Well, some cooks sometimes do it that way, but it's certainly not the only way to do things. If you know you're going to use egg whites later for something, then you might use only the yolks in fried rice, but there is no reason whatsoever not to use the whole egg if you're not saving the white. Same for egg drop soup--I have sometimes reserved the egg white for a marinade for that meal's stirfry, but other times I use the whole egg. For egg fooyung and for lobster sauce, I think using only yolks would be rare and inferior. -aem |
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![]() aem wrote: > Sheldon wrote: > [snip preceding] > > > > You're not making fried rice. In fried rice the whole egg is first > > fried like an omelet and then used in bits as a garnish, raw egg is > > not blended into anything... in fact in Chinese fried rice only the > > yolk is fried, the whites are saved for other things, like stuffing > mixtures, > > lobster sauce, hot n' sour soup, for coating seafood, etc. There's > no > > egg yolk blended into stuffing mixtures. The yolks are used > separately > > too, with egg drop soup, egg foo yong, etc. most of the whites are > > removed for other uses. Separating eggs is common in all cusines. > You > > heard of hoodwinked, well you've been Bang Cocked! hehe > > > Well, some cooks sometimes do it that way, but it's certainly not the > only way to do things. If you know you're going to use egg whites > later for something, then you might use only the yolks in fried rice, > but there is no reason whatsoever not to use the whole egg if you're > not saving the white. Same for egg drop soup--I have sometimes > reserved the egg white for a marinade for that meal's stirfry, but > other times I use the whole egg. For egg fooyung and for lobster > sauce, I think using only yolks would be rare and inferior. -aem Yeah, well... you're not Chinese. LOL |
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jmcquown wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote: > > > I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to > > > help bind together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I > > > think flour would be too glutinous. Aside from going to the > > > store, any suggestions? [snip recipe] > I got the recipe when we lived in Bangkok. Have you never heard of > whole egg stirred into fried rice? I think I'll just add a tiny bit > of flour as Barb suggested. Yes, use half as much flour as the cornstarch called for. Or, just skip it. Worst that could happen is that your dumplings would be too moist, it isn't all going to fall apart on you. -aem |
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![]() "aem" > wrote in message oups.com... > jmcquown wrote: > > > jmcquown wrote: > > > > I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to > > > > help bind together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I > > > > think flour would be too glutinous. Aside from going to the > > > > store, any suggestions? > [snip recipe] > > > I got the recipe when we lived in Bangkok. Have you never heard of > > whole egg stirred into fried rice? I think I'll just add a tiny bit > > of flour as Barb suggested. > > Yes, use half as much flour as the cornstarch called for. Or, just > skip it. Worst that could happen is that your dumplings would be too > moist, it isn't all going to fall apart on you. -aem > I used just a couple of pinches of flour and mixed it all up. The filling turned out fine. However, by the time I got around to doing that, I wound up just covering it tightly in a bowl. I'll fill and steam the dumplings today. I also thought I'd take about 1/2 of the mixture and add some chopped water chestnuts for something a little different with a bit of crunch. Jill |
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:14:21 -0600, "jmcquown"
> wrote: > >> >I used just a couple of pinches of flour and mixed it all up. The filling >turned out fine. However, by the time I got around to doing that, I wound >up just covering it tightly in a bowl. I'll fill and steam the dumplings >today. I also thought I'd take about 1/2 of the mixture and add some >chopped water chestnuts for something a little different with a bit of >crunch. > >Jill > Don't you hate how cornstarch is packaged? The Kingsford's comes in a box with a plastic inner liner. After scooping out several tablespoons of cornstarch, the liner has bumped the measuring spoon and flipped cornstarch everywhere. I've tried the Betty Crocker cornstarch that comes in a cylinder. The plastic top rotates open and closed. Of course the slot that opens is too narrow to get the measuring spoon into. When trying to shake the cornstarch into the measuring spoon it either cakes up and won't come out of the container or big globs come out and go everywhere. Does anyone make a workable container that allows you to use cornstarch without spreading it everywhere? Rusty |
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In article >, "jmcquown"
> wrote: > I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help > bind together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think > flour would be too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any > suggestions? > Jill I'd use flour -- that's not a lot in your recipe. JMO. -- -Barb, <http://www.jamlady.eboard.com> Arizona vacation pics added 3-24-05. "I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner, performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005. |
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Use potato starch or white rice flour. or 1/2 and 1/2 of each. Either or
in combination will do what you are looking for. Half of each mixed is also a great thickner that approximates gluten wheat flour in behavior. Joe, A Celiac who uses such all the time ----------------------------------------------------- "jmcquown" > wrote in message ... > I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help bind > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour would be > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? > > Recipe follows: > > 3 oz. crab meat > 6 oz. ground pork > 6 large shrimp, minced* > 1 Tbs. water > 1-1/2 tsp. cornstarch > 1/4 tsp. garlic powder > 1 egg > 1-1/2 tsp. light soy sauce > 1 Tbs. oil > 1/2 tsp. pepper > > *or 1 can baby shrimp, well drained > Combine all ingredients except wonton wrappers. Place 1 Tbs. filling in the > center of each wrapper and fold and pinch to seal with moistened fingers. > Cover and steam over boiling water 20-25 minutes. > > Jill > -- > I used to have a handle on life...but it broke off. > > |
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tempura batter works pretty good
Grizzman jmcquown wrote: > I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help bind > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour would be > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? > > Recipe follows: > > 3 oz. crab meat > 6 oz. ground pork > 6 large shrimp, minced* > 1 Tbs. water > 1-1/2 tsp. cornstarch > 1/4 tsp. garlic powder > 1 egg > 1-1/2 tsp. light soy sauce > 1 Tbs. oil > 1/2 tsp. pepper > > *or 1 can baby shrimp, well drained > Combine all ingredients except wonton wrappers. Place 1 Tbs. filling in the > center of each wrapper and fold and pinch to seal with moistened fingers. > Cover and steam over boiling water 20-25 minutes. > > Jill |
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![]() jmcquown wrote: > > I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help bind > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour would be > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? Wheat flour won't be too glutinous if you mix the ingredients lightly. Otherwise use rice flour or tapioca flour or potato flour. But since the filling is going into wrappers it probably would survive just fine without the starchy binder. > > Recipe follows: > > 3 oz. crab meat > 6 oz. ground pork > 6 large shrimp, minced* > 1 Tbs. water > 1-1/2 tsp. cornstarch > 1/4 tsp. garlic powder > 1 egg > 1-1/2 tsp. light soy sauce > 1 Tbs. oil > 1/2 tsp. pepper > > *or 1 can baby shrimp, well drained > Combine all ingredients except wonton wrappers. Place 1 Tbs. filling in the > center of each wrapper and fold and pinch to seal with moistened fingers. > Cover and steam over boiling water 20-25 minutes. > > Jill > -- > I used to have a handle on life...but it broke off. |
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jmcquown wrote:
> I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help bind > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour would be > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? instant mashed potatoes rice whirled in a blender to a fine powder cake flour (less protein than the others) tapioca starch potato starch pasta run through the blender ramen noodles through the blender rice sticks - blender somen, mung bean threads, shirataki noodles - blender xanthan gum, guar gum gelatin, pectin All different with different characteristics. Happy dumplings Pastorio > > Recipe follows: > > 3 oz. crab meat > 6 oz. ground pork > 6 large shrimp, minced* > 1 Tbs. water > 1-1/2 tsp. cornstarch > 1/4 tsp. garlic powder > 1 egg > 1-1/2 tsp. light soy sauce > 1 Tbs. oil > 1/2 tsp. pepper > > *or 1 can baby shrimp, well drained > Combine all ingredients except wonton wrappers. Place 1 Tbs. filling in the > center of each wrapper and fold and pinch to seal with moistened fingers. > Cover and steam over boiling water 20-25 minutes. > > Jill |
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"jmcquown" > wrote: > I have no cornstarch. I have no arrowroot. I need something to help bind > together the filling for steamed (Asian) dumplings. I think flour would be > too glutinous. Aside from going to the store, any suggestions? Potato flour? Works well for me. Miche -- WWMVD? |
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