Even if some folks don't respect the Pope or the Roman Catholic Church, it
would be nice if they would still show respect for the feelings of the
people who are mourning at this time.

Carol

On Sat 02 Apr 2005 05:16:14p, Damsel in dis Dress wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Even if some folks don't respect the Pope or the Roman Catholic Church, it
> would be nice if they would still show respect for the feelings of the
> people who are mourning at this time.
>
> Carol

You're right, Carol, respect is due, as it is due anyone. However, the pope
was an old man and it was not surprising that he might die at the age of 84.
My mother was 84 when she died, suddenly and unexpectedly. I miss her much
than I could ever miss the pope. While I am a practicing Christian, I have
to admit that I have never accepted the concept of the pope, although I would
never adminish those who do.

--
Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> Even if some folks don't respect the Pope or the Roman Catholic Church, it
> would be nice if they would still show respect for the feelings of the
> people who are mourning at this time.

I haven't seen any disrespect for those mourning the death of the Pope.
Mourning or not, like it or not, opinions will be expressed that ruffle you.
They are as valid as your own feelings and subject to equal protection.

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> Even if some folks don't respect the Pope or the Roman Catholic Church, it
> would be nice if they would still show respect for the feelings of the
> people who are mourning at this time.
>
> Carol


I agree Carol, I'm not Catholic never have been and never will be. To me
the Pope was just another powerful old man who's time came. Alas, the
followers should be allowed their time to grieve without disrespect or
insults from those who don't share their faith.

Burnng question here tonight is....is it appropriate or expected to give
the Sisters whom I work for sympathy cards?

RIP Karol.

Jessica

Damsel in dis Dress > wrote in message
...
> [..] it would be nice if they would still show respect
> for the feelings of the people [..]

Bwah-hahahaha!
<sniffle>

Riiiight. Are you *sure* you're reading RFC?

Respect of other's feelings...

The Ranger
--
"The Irish believe wiff a most-'oly furor that eatin' food shoul' be a
test of courage. If we can't boil it t' deff, fry it in a vat o' grease,
or stuff it in an animal intestine, we're posit've it shouldn't be
eaten."
-- John Woolery, London Underground, 1992

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> [snip]
> There are people who feel that strongly about the Pope.
>
> I would be the last person on the planet who would ever join or agree
> with the Roman Catholic church. But I respect the feelings of the
> people who feel right now that their lives have been torn apart. I
> just find the joking to be inappropriate.
>
I haven't seen any jokes about the pope himself. Some sparring among
people with different interpretations of this or that tiny piece of
doctrine. Some pretty standard joking about certain church teachings.
You want to see what you've been spared, go over to one -- almost any
one -- of the alt. religion...groups, they can get *really* nasty.
-aem

"The Ranger" >, if that's their real name, wrote:

>Damsel in dis Dress > wrote in message
.. .
>> [..] it would be nice if they would still show respect
>> for the feelings of the people [..]
>
>Bwah-hahahaha!
><sniffle>
>
>Riiiight. Are you *sure* you're reading RFC?
>
>Respect of other's feelings...
>
>The Ranger

One can only hope.

Carol
--
Coming at you live, from beautiful Lake Woebegon

"aem" >, if that's their real name, wrote:

>You want to see what you've been spared, go over to one -- almost any
>one -- of the alt. religion...groups, they can get *really* nasty.

What? You think I'm crazy? (Don't answer that)

Carol
--
Coming at you live, from beautiful Lake Woebegon

"Jessica V." >, if that's their real name, wrote:

>I agree Carol, I'm not Catholic never have been and never will be. To me
>the Pope was just another powerful old man who's time came. Alas, the
>followers should be allowed their time to grieve without disrespect or
>insults from those who don't share their faith.

<nodding>

>Burnng question here tonight is....is it appropriate or expected to give
>the Sisters whom I work for sympathy cards?

I would. The Pope has been an enormous influence on their lives, and I'm
sure that they're hurting and would appreciate the gesture.

Carol
--
Coming at you live, from beautiful Lake Woebegon

In article >, "Jessica V."
> wrote:

> Burnng question here tonight is....is it appropriate or expected to give
> the Sisters whom I work for sympathy cards?
> Jessica

I wouldn't. Make a statement of your condolences, though. "I'm sorry
for the loss you all are surely feeling" ought to do it.
--
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"I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and
say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner,
performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005.

When I was little girl I took hand-picked flowers to our convent. The
sisters took me inside to their chapel where I said a prayer. This was
for when Robert Kennedy was killed. I don't know if it would be
appropriate for you to do this or not, but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt.
At least offering a simple condolence would be a thoughtful thing to
do.

I attended a Catholic church service tonight and had a lovely time.

Mary

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >, "Jessica V."
> > wrote:
>
> > Burnng question here tonight is....is it appropriate or expected to
give
> > the Sisters whom I work for sympathy cards?
> > Jessica

snippage...

In article >,
"Jessica V." > wrote:

> Burnng question here tonight is....is it appropriate or expected to give
> the Sisters whom I work for sympathy cards?

I think that might be a bit much, but OTOH I think it would be
disrespectful if you didn't say to them that you were sorry for their
loss.

Priscilla
--
"You can't welcome someone into a body of Christ and then say only
certain rooms are open." -- dancertm in alt.religion.christian.episcopal

Melba's Jammin' > wrote in
:

> In article >, "Jessica V."
> > wrote:
>
> > Burnng question here tonight is....is it appropriate or expected
> > to give the Sisters whom I work for sympathy cards?
> > Jessica
>
> I wouldn't. Make a statement of your condolences, though. "I'm
> sorry for the loss you all are surely feeling" ought to do it.

What Barb said...Cards are for when somebody who is known/loved
personally dies.

--
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Type 2 Diabetic Since Aug 2004
1AC- 7.2, 7.3, 5.5, 5.6 mmol
Weight from 265 down to 219 lbs. and dropping.
Continuing to be Manitoban

Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>Even if some folks don't respect the Pope or the Roman Catholic Church, it
>would be nice if they would still show respect for the feelings of the
>people who are mourning at this time.

They're mourning a cult leader. I'm just glad
they're making themselves visible.

--Blair
"Deprogramming should be a right."

Carole Beard > whined in message
...
[snip binary]

Why does it not surprise me yet more braying from the WebTV domain...

The Ranger
--
"You do know why Nyquil ads show people already in bed? You drink two
oz. and [BOOM!] your eyes roll back in your head putting you in an
10-hour coma, all while instantly dissolving your internal bone
structure. The first time I took it was at a friend's party. I deboned
myself right there on his floor, blissfully squashing seven guests."
Bill Hastings, 1996

(Carole Beard), if that's their real name, wrote:

>i am not catholic either, feel for the friends that are, BUT. why are
>the tv stations treating his death like they would a President's
>death------there are lots of us who are not catholic--so, have a funeral
>and get it over with. or at least do not let us have to watch it for
>hours. I cried for him as i would anyone that is due respect but not
>hours each and every day-----he is not GOD after all.

Does your mommy know you're using her WebTV?

Carol
--
Coming at you live, from beautiful Lake Woebegon

"The Ranger" >, if that's their real name, wrote:

>Carole Beard > whined in message
...
>[snip binary]
>
>Why does it not surprise me yet more braying from the WebTV domain...
>
>The Ranger

We've got lots of good WebTVers in this NG. It's just the 10 year olds who
ruin it for everyone else.

Carol
--
Coming at you live, from beautiful Lake Woebegon

In article >,
(Carole Beard) wrote:

> i am not catholic either, feel for the friends that are, BUT. why are
> the tv stations treating his death like they would a President's
> death------there are lots of us who are not catholic--so, have a funeral
> and get it over with. or at least do not let us have to watch it for
> hours. I cried for him as i would anyone that is due respect but not
> hours each and every day-----he is not GOD after all.

I suspect there are enough Americans who are interested so that if ONE
network covers it, the others MUST follow or risk losing their audience.
It's about numbers. And he was the head of Vatican City -- the
smallest country in the world. Kind of like being President of it, I
guess.

I think it's all really interesting -- I loved watching the parade this
morning as his butlers toted his corpse to St. Peters. I like all the
ritual and ceremonial stuff -- I was raised in a different faith with
lots of ancient traditions. I can't wait for the behind-the-scenes
politicking to start leaking to the press when they have the Conclave to
elect his successor.
--
-Barb, <http://www.jamlady.eboard.com> The Nylons added 4-3-05.

"I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and
say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner,
performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005.

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (Carole Beard) wrote:
>
>> i am not catholic either, feel for the friends that are, BUT. why are
>> the tv stations treating his death like they would a President's
>> death------there are lots of us who are not catholic--so, have a funeral
>> and get it over with. or at least do not let us have to watch it for
>> hours. I cried for him as i would anyone that is due respect but not
>> hours each and every day-----he is not GOD after all.
>
> I suspect there are enough Americans who are interested so that if ONE
> network covers it, the others MUST follow or risk losing their audience.
> It's about numbers. And he was the head of Vatican City -- the
> smallest country in the world. Kind of like being President of it, I
> guess.
>
> I think it's all really interesting -- I loved watching the parade this
> morning as his butlers toted his corpse to St. Peters. I like all the
> ritual and ceremonial stuff -- I was raised in a different faith with
> lots of ancient traditions. I can't wait for the behind-the-scenes
> politicking to start leaking to the press when they have the Conclave to
> elect his successor.
> --

The ceremonies are indeed interesting to watch. One thing stood out,
however - in all the hundreds of elegantly dressed church dignitaries,
cardinlals, bishops, pall bearers, officials, etc., there was not one single
woman. It's a forceful reminder of how, despite all his work for human
rights, JP II dragged the church back to the 19th century when it comes to
woman's equality.


--
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Peter Aitken wrote:

>
> The ceremonies are indeed interesting to watch. One thing stood out,
> however - in all the hundreds of elegantly dressed church dignitaries,
> cardinlals, bishops, pall bearers, officials, etc., there was not one single
> woman. It's a forceful reminder of how, despite all his work for human
> rights, JP II dragged the church back to the 19th century when it comes to
> woman's equality.

I am glad someone finds them interesting. I find it all boring.

But you are right about the women. I keep hearing people say he did great
things, but I am wondering what on earth those great deeds are. None of them
involved taking the church out of the dark ages. The RC church is facing a
major problem in North America, a drastic shortage of priests. This pope has
done nothing to allow women into the priesthood or to get rid of that
meaningless requirement for celibacy that has done little more than attract men
with an obviously perverse view of sex into the priesthood,

Peter Aitken wrote:
>
> The ceremonies are indeed interesting to watch. One thing stood out,
> however - in all the hundreds of elegantly dressed church
dignitaries,
> cardinlals, bishops, pall bearers, officials, etc., there was not one
single
> woman. It's a forceful reminder of how, despite all his work for
human
> rights, JP II dragged the church back to the 19th century when it
comes to
> woman's equality.

No matter the veil of spectacular spectacle the station of pope still
epitomizes a wolf in sheeps clothing.

What do you expect from a belief system that subscribes to the pretense
of self emasculation cloaked in rightiousness... how convenient the
concept of nunneries... and they don't believe in *** marriage, whore
they kidding... and they maintain alter boys for what...shades of
Michael Jackson.

If those cardinals/bishops rode Harlys their charade would be more
honest. Other than the bikers having loftier ethical standards there's
no difference between those Cathelic Dudes and the Hells Angels... they
even accquire their resources the same... rob from the poor and give to
the rich... hopefully one day the fercocktah Church-IRS Conspiracy will
be defrocked.


JP2 was the biggest whore monger on the planet, even with rampant child
molestation exposed amongst his staff during his reign he did nothing,
well, he ignored and denied... only low side to his death is we knew
the Devil he was...

Sheldon (yoose sheep can't pull your wool over his eyes)

"Dave Smith" > wrote

> Peter Aitken wrote:

>> The ceremonies are indeed interesting to watch. One thing stood out,
>> however - in all the hundreds of elegantly dressed church dignitaries,
>> cardinlals, bishops, pall bearers, officials, etc., there was not one
>> single
>> woman. It's a forceful reminder of how, despite all his work for human
>> rights, JP II dragged the church back to the 19th century when it comes
>> to woman's equality.

> But you are right about the women. I keep hearing people say he did great
> things, but I am wondering what on earth those great deeds are. None of
> them
> involved taking the church out of the dark ages. The RC church is facing
> a
> major problem in North America, a drastic shortage of priests. This pope
> has
> done nothing to allow women into the priesthood or to get rid of that
> meaningless requirement for celibacy that has done little more than
> attract men
> with an obviously perverse view of sex into the priesthood,

Wow. You said what I've thought all along. They set up this weird
lifestyle,
then they are shocked it attracted men who are trying to run away from their
urges or whatever. Then, why women accept being second class citizens
in their own church, I don't know. Clean the bathrooms, cook the food, but
be a priest??? Oh no. I was thinking of the priest shortage, how much
would that help if women could be a real part of the church in that
capacity?

Anyway.

nancy

Dave Smith wrote:
> Peter Aitken wrote:
>
> >
> > The ceremonies are indeed interesting to watch. One thing stood
out,
> > however - in all the hundreds of elegantly dressed church
dignitaries,
> > cardinlals, bishops, pall bearers, officials, etc., there was not
one single
> > woman. It's a forceful reminder of how, despite all his work for
human
> > rights, JP II dragged the church back to the 19th century when it
comes to
> > woman's equality.
>
> I am glad someone finds them interesting. I find it all boring.
>
> But you are right about the women. I keep hearing people say he did
great
> things, but I am wondering what on earth those great deeds are. None
of them
> involved taking the church out of the dark ages. The RC church is
facing a
> major problem in North America, a drastic shortage of priests. This
pope has
> done nothing to allow women into the priesthood or to get rid of that
> meaningless requirement for celibacy that has done little more than
attract men
> with an obviously perverse view of sex into the priesthood,

It would be nice if the new Pope had at least a toe in
reality...population control is perhaps the most serious issue in the
world today, and stem-cell research is one of the most vital medical
developments in this century. Both these issues need to be
re-addressed in a viable way by the Catholic Church.


N.

> From: damsel

>We've got lots of good WebTVers in this NG.
> It's just the 10 year olds who ruin it for
> everyone else.

Thank you for saying this! Sometimes I cringe when I see a fully loaded
with HTML post - complete with music! Sigh.......here comes the webtv
bashing!

(DayDreamer), if that's their real name, wrote:

>> From: damsel
>
>>We've got lots of good WebTVers in this NG.
>> It's just the 10 year olds who ruin it for
>> everyone else.
>
>Thank you for saying this! Sometimes I cringe when I see a fully loaded
>with HTML post - complete with music! Sigh.......here comes the webtv
>bashing!

You're very welcome. I hate to see innocent, intelligent people lumped in
with idiots.

Carol
--
Coming at you live, from beautiful Lake Woebegon

Nancy Young wrote:

>
> Wow. You said what I've thought all along. They set up this weird
> lifestyle,
> then they are shocked it attracted men who are trying to run away from their
> urges or whatever. Then, why women accept being second class citizens
> in their own church, I don't know. Clean the bathrooms, cook the food, but
> be a priest??? Oh no. I was thinking of the priest shortage, how much
> would that help if women could be a real part of the church in that
> capacity?

Lets just say that I have no time for women who complain about the patriarchy of
the church. If they belong to a church that treats them like a second class
citizen then that is exactly the type of treatment they deserve. I was listening
to comments on the radio (CBC) yesterday and was surprised that male callers
(during the time I was listening) were down on the church for keeping women out
of the priesthood, but the women callers had no problem with it. One said that
it just wouldn't be her church if they allowed women to be priest. Another said
that women do have equal power in the church and that allowing women to be
priests would not give them any more power than they already have. Well gee. if
you aren't a priest you can't be a bishop, an archbishop, a cardinal or pope.
You can't be anything. You are shut out.
Strangely, women go to church more than men.

wrote:

> It would be nice if the new Pope had at least a toe in
> reality...population control is perhaps the most serious issue in the
> world today, and stem-cell research is one of the most vital medical
> developments in this century. Both these issues need to be
> re-addressed in a viable way by the Catholic Church.

Indeed. Unfortunately, religion and reality are mutually incompatible. What
troubles me most is the moral superiority that people assume with religion.
I have never seen that as a strong correlation.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>
>> Wow. You said what I've thought all along. They set up this weird
>> lifestyle,
>> then they are shocked it attracted men who are trying to run away from
>> their
>> urges or whatever. Then, why women accept being second class citizens
>> in their own church, I don't know. Clean the bathrooms, cook the food,
>> but
>> be a priest??? Oh no. I was thinking of the priest shortage, how much
>> would that help if women could be a real part of the church in that
>> capacity?
>
> Lets just say that I have no time for women who complain about the
> patriarchy of
> the church. If they belong to a church that treats them like a second
> class
> citizen then that is exactly the type of treatment they deserve. I was
> listening
> to comments on the radio (CBC) yesterday and was surprised that male
> callers
> (during the time I was listening) were down on the church for keeping
> women out
> of the priesthood, but the women callers had no problem with it. One said
> that
> it just wouldn't be her church if they allowed women to be priest. Another
> said
> that women do have equal power in the church and that allowing women to be
> priests would not give them any more power than they already have. Well
> gee. if
> you aren't a priest you can't be a bishop, an archbishop, a cardinal or
> pope.
> You can't be anything. You are shut out.
> Strangely, women go to church more than men.

I'm one of those women who go to church and have no problem with the status
quo -- oh, correction, I'm all for married priests such as the Eastern Rites
Catholics have.
If women were to be ordained (which is not likely to happen in my lifetime
or that of my daughter) I'd have no problem with it, but lack of female
ordination is not something that keeps me up nights.

Gabby

Gabby wrote:

> I'm one of those women who go to church and have no problem with the status
> quo -- oh, correction, I'm all for married priests such as the Eastern Rites
> Catholics have.
> If women were to be ordained (which is not likely to happen in my lifetime
> or that of my daughter) I'd have no problem with it, but lack of female
> ordination is not something that keeps me up nights.
>

So you have no problem with your church deeming you to be unworthy of a position
due to your gender?

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Lets just say that I have no time for women who complain about the
> patriarchy of the church. If they belong to a church that treats
> them like a second class citizen then that is exactly the type of
> treatment they deserve.

I'm not sure that Roman Catholic women are second class. The Church
allows, nay, encourages, them to have sex lives, while telling the
'best and brightest' of the men they can't.

> [snip] One [woman] said that
> it just wouldn't be her church if they allowed women to be priest.

Reasoned argument doesn't enter into religious discussion. "It just
.....", in other words an assertion of belief, is sufficient.

> Another said that women do have equal power in the church and that
> allowing women to be priests would not give them any more power than
> they already have. [snip]

See above. Statements contrary to fact are common from the religious.
-aem

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> But you are right about the women. I keep hearing people say he did great
> things, but I am wondering what on earth those great deeds are. None of them
> involved taking the church out of the dark ages.

Repudiation of antisemitism.

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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>
>> Wow. You said what I've thought all along. They set up this weird
>> lifestyle,
>> then they are shocked it attracted men who are trying to run away from
>> their
>> urges or whatever. Then, why women accept being second class citizens
>> in their own church, I don't know. Clean the bathrooms, cook the food,
>> but
>> be a priest??? Oh no. I was thinking of the priest shortage, how much
>> would that help if women could be a real part of the church in that
>> capacity?
>
> Lets just say that I have no time for women who complain about the
> patriarchy of
> the church. If they belong to a church that treats them like a second
> class
> citizen then that is exactly the type of treatment they deserve.

That's a truly bizarre attitude. Taken to its logical conclusion it would
say that no one can point out flaws in an organization and try to change it
for the better. It's either get out or shut up. Do you really believe that?
I have respect for the woman for stay with the church they love, despite its
flaws, and try to change it for the better.


--
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Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"aem" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> Lets just say that I have no time for women who complain about the
>> patriarchy of the church. If they belong to a church that treats
>> them like a second class citizen then that is exactly the type of
>> treatment they deserve.
>
> I'm not sure that Roman Catholic women are second class. The Church
> allows, nay, encourages, them to have sex lives, while telling the
> 'best and brightest' of the men they can't.
>

Nay, the church does not encourage women to have sex lives. It encourages
them to have babies. A "sex life" implies that enjoyment is part of the
deal.


--
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Remove the crap from my email address before using.

Peter Aitken wrote:

>
> >
> > Lets just say that I have no time for women who complain about the
> > patriarchy of
> > the church. If they belong to a church that treats them like a second
> > class
> > citizen then that is exactly the type of treatment they deserve.
>
> That's a truly bizarre attitude. Taken to its logical conclusion it would
> say that no one can point out flaws in an organization and try to change it
> for the better. It's either get out or shut up. Do you really believe that?
> I have respect for the woman for stay with the church they love, despite its
> flaws, and try to change it for the better.

It is a church, one of many (Christian) denomination, not a country. If they
feel that the church is too patriarchal then they should withdraw. How long do
you think that a church led by a supposedly celibate clergy would survive if
their most active supporters walked out on them?

I suppose they could try to effect change from within, but all the top positions
are males.

"Dan Goodman" > wrote in message
t...
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> But you are right about the women. I keep hearing people say he did
>> great
>> things, but I am wondering what on earth those great deeds are. None of
>> them
>> involved taking the church out of the dark ages.
>
> Repudiation of antisemitism.
>

His actions in support of popular movements in eastern Europe, particularly
Poland, against the communist regimes is also very praiseworthy. His
meetings with Arafat and Castro were also. And, not widely known, but he
made several strong denouncements of the evils of the exceses of capitalism
that were right to the point. On the other side of the coin he was very
regressive in terms of social policy and women's rights, and his response to
the sexual abuse scandal was shameful. An interestng man to be sure.


--
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Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Peter Aitken wrote:
>
>>
>> >
>> > Lets just say that I have no time for women who complain about the
>> > patriarchy of
>> > the church. If they belong to a church that treats them like a second
>> > class
>> > citizen then that is exactly the type of treatment they deserve.
>>
>> That's a truly bizarre attitude. Taken to its logical conclusion it would
>> say that no one can point out flaws in an organization and try to change
>> it
>> for the better. It's either get out or shut up. Do you really believe
>> that?
>> I have respect for the woman for stay with the church they love, despite
>> its
>> flaws, and try to change it for the better.
>
> It is a church, one of many (Christian) denomination, not a country. If
> they
> feel that the church is too patriarchal then they should withdraw. How
> long do
> you think that a church led by a supposedly celibate clergy would survive
> if
> their most active supporters walked out on them?
>
> I suppose they could try to effect change from within, but all the top
> positions
> are males.
>

So I was right - you think that people should either put up with the
existing situation or leave. As I said, that's a truly bizarre attitude.


--
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Remove the crap from my email address before using.

Peter Aitken wrote:
> Nay, the church does not encourage women to have sex lives. It
> encourages them to have babies. A "sex life" implies that enjoyment
> is part of the deal.
>
If they don't enjoy it, the hubby is to blame, not the church. Even I
will not accuse the Roman church of telling women not to enjoy sex.
That's the Baptists.... <g> -aem

aem wrote:

> If they don't enjoy it, the hubby is to blame, not the church. Even I
> will not accuse the Roman church of telling women not to enjoy sex.
> That's the Baptists.... <g> -aem

Baptists are opposed to having sex in a standing position.

It might lead to dancing.

That's precious! I'm a Southern Baptist, now Episcopalian, and
soon-to-be Roman Catholic. Sex in the Catholic church, from what I
understand is for the creation of life, not for enjoyment. But what the
hey, I'm sure there are many Catholics who enjoy sex and consider it a
gift from God.

Mary

Dave Smith wrote:
> aem wrote:
>
> > If they don't enjoy it, the hubby is to blame, not the church.
Even I
> > will not accuse the Roman church of telling women not to enjoy sex.
> > That's the Baptists.... <g> -aem
>
> Baptists are opposed to having sex in a standing position.
>
> It might lead to dancing.