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On Sat 23 Apr 2005 06:07:09a, Edwin Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >>> >>> I kinda like "Pope Pawl" and "Pope Pawli" ain't bad either. Yuk, yuk, >>> yuk. >> >> I kinda prefer "Pope Pawli" myself. Sounds a little more down to >> earth. <g> That would be "Pope Pawli I", right? >> >> -- >> Wayne Boatwright *¿* > > I like the name suggestions. > > My first plan was to change communion from that tiny wafer to something > more substantial. I'm thing Foccocia (with some cheese and herbs) and a > glass of Chianti. And maybe a slice of salami or pepperoni to round it out? > New Popemobile will be a yellow Lamborghini. Yellow is so good with red and white! Quite a fashion statement! -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* ____________________________________________ Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day. Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974 |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > New Popemobile will be a yellow Lamborghini. With white upholstery, papal colors. Gabby |
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On Sat 23 Apr 2005 07:22:19a, Edwin Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > "kilikini" > wrote in message >>> >>> New Popemobile will be a yellow Lamborghini. >> >> ROFL. oh god, that's too funny. LOL >> >> kili > > No funny Kili, lots of serious work to do. Did you see all those old > buildings over there? Some aluminum siding would certainly spruce up > the neighborhood. Not to mentions some fresh asphalt over those old > uneven bricks in the square. Nice, sleek stainless steel sheathing would go a long way in modernizing some of those old buildings > Al the burning candles are sooting up the walls and ceilings in the > church. They all need a couple of coats of good latex paint. Semi-gloss > washes better IMO. And lots of mirrors...they'd brighten up the place! -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* ____________________________________________ Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day. Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974 |
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote .... > On Sat 23 Apr 2005 07:22:19a, Edwin Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking: >> No funny Kili, lots of serious work to do. Did you see all those old >> buildings over there? Some aluminum siding would certainly spruce up >> the neighborhood. Not to mentions some fresh asphalt over those old >> uneven bricks in the square. > > Nice, sleek stainless steel sheathing would go a long way in modernizing > some of those old buildings > >> Al the burning candles are sooting up the walls and ceilings in the >> church. They all need a couple of coats of good latex paint. Semi-gloss >> washes better IMO. You know, the Sistine Chapel filled up with smoke during the ... well ... smoke thing. For pete's sake, didn't they just spend a ton of money to clean the ceiling? I think they should have a garage sale. Rumor has it they have a ton of stuff in the basement. nancy |
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On Sat 23 Apr 2005 09:51:11a, Nancy Young wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote > ... >> On Sat 23 Apr 2005 07:22:19a, Edwin Pawlowski wrote in >> rec.food.cooking: > >>> No funny Kili, lots of serious work to do. Did you see all those old >>> buildings over there? Some aluminum siding would certainly spruce up >>> the neighborhood. Not to mentions some fresh asphalt over those old >>> uneven bricks in the square. >> >> Nice, sleek stainless steel sheathing would go a long way in >> modernizing some of those old buildings >> >>> Al the burning candles are sooting up the walls and ceilings in the >>> church. They all need a couple of coats of good latex paint. >>> Semi-gloss washes better IMO. > > You know, the Sistine Chapel filled up with smoke during the ... well > ... smoke thing. For pete's sake, didn't they just spend a ton of money > to clean the ceiling? > > I think they should have a garage sale. Rumor has it they have a ton of > stuff in the basement. Bodies, too! -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* ____________________________________________ Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day. Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974 |
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 23 Apr 2005 07:22:19a, Edwin Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > >>"kilikini" > wrote in message >> >>>>New Popemobile will be a yellow Lamborghini. >>> >>>ROFL. oh god, that's too funny. LOL >>> >>>kili >> >>No funny Kili, lots of serious work to do. Did you see all those old >>buildings over there? Some aluminum siding would certainly spruce up >>the neighborhood. Not to mentions some fresh asphalt over those old >>uneven bricks in the square. > > > Nice, sleek stainless steel sheathing would go a long way in modernizing > some of those old buildings > > >>Al the burning candles are sooting up the walls and ceilings in the >>church. They all need a couple of coats of good latex paint. Semi-gloss >>washes better IMO. > > > And lots of mirrors...they'd brighten up the place! > Nah, they'd just get all sooted up. More work for the nuns to clean up, poor dears. gloria p |
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"Brian Huntley" > wrote:
>I bet Bennedict X got a lot of kidding over his name at brunch. <sound of groaning> |
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Stan Horwitz wrote:
> Look at world leaders such as President Bush. Bush piled on the praise > for the late Pope, but he certainly did not allow any of the Pope's > teachings to influence his public policy. I am not saying that's a bad > thing, just that it seems most people love to discuss Pope JP II in > glowing terms, but most have not put his views to practice in their own > lives. For example, do you really think most Roman Catholic couples > eschew contraception just because the Pope says they should? I don't > think so. Modern couples may not be paying much attention to the Pope about birth control, but the church's withdrawal of support for organizations like UNICEF that pushed for birth control were certainly affected. |
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Stan Horwitz > wrote:
> Why does it matter who the Pope is in today's world? The Pope is really > little more than a figurehead now. No, that's not true. Many many policies in many places are based on what the Pope believes and passes down to the masses. There are still countries -- whole countries -- where Roman Catholic dogma is a driving force in the laws of the nation. serene -- http://serenejournal.livejournal.com http://www.jhuger.com |
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"Serene" > wrote in message ... > Stan Horwitz > wrote: > >> Why does it matter who the Pope is in today's world? The Pope is really >> little more than a figurehead now. > > No, that's not true. Many many policies in many places are based on > what the Pope believes and passes down to the masses. There are still > countries -- whole countries -- where Roman Catholic dogma is a driving > force in the laws of the nation. > > serene Although Catholic dogma certainly can influence mores within societies it is importance to understand although the "church" is headed by the pope he is by no means a dictator who is able to change that dogma at a whim. He is a spiritual leader. The curia is in fact the power. The church is in fact a giant government in and of itself. http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/index.htm THE ROMAN CURIA In exercising supreme, full, and immediate power in the universal Church, the Roman pontiff makes use of the departments of the Roman Curia which, therefore, perform their duties in his name and with his authority for the good of the churches and in the service of the sacred pastors. Main Entry: dog·ma Pronunciation: 'dog-m&, 'däg- Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural dogmas also dog·ma·ta /-m&-t&/ Etymology: Latin dogmat-, dogma, from Greek, from dokein to seem -- more at DECENT 1 a : something held as an established opinion; especially : a definite authoritative tenet b : a code of such tenets <pedagogical dogma> c : a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds 2 : a doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated and authoritatively proclaimed by a church |
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In article >, "Nancy Young"
> wrote: > You can't get away from it. It takes up a whole section of my paper. > It's pre-empting tv shows left and right, it's so annoying. Peter > Jennings > must be climbing the wall, this is right up his alley to bore people to > death with repetative commentary about some event like this. > > Look, the smoke is white. No, it's not, oh bells are ringing. > > Very annoying. I guess that's the benefit of getting rid of our television.  Regards, Ranee -- Remove Do Not and Spam to email "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13 See my Blog at: http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/ |
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"Ranee Mueller" > wrote in message ... > In article >, "Nancy Young" > > wrote: > >> You can't get away from it. It takes up a whole section of my paper. >> It's pre-empting tv shows left and right, it's so annoying. Peter >> Jennings >> must be climbing the wall, this is right up his alley to bore people to >> death with repetative commentary about some event like this. >> >> Look, the smoke is white. No, it's not, oh bells are ringing. >> >> Very annoying. > > > I guess that's the benefit of getting rid of our television. Unfortunately, then you are left with the newspapers. nancy |
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In article >, "Nancy Young"
> wrote: > Unfortunately, then you are left with the newspapers. I live in a tiny town. Our paper comes out weekly, and a story like this isn't out of line for the papers, so the big deal who is the pope story wasn't so extraordinary for me. We still have news about what new family is doing what in town, and the founding families doing their thing. I did hear some news on the radio, but mostly listen tomusic in the car (which is where I hear the most radio) because I try not to have the news on when the kids are with me, because so much of it is violent and horrific. Regards, Ranee -- Remove Do Not and Spam to email "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13 See my Blog at: http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/ |
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In article >, Dave Smith
> wrote: > It was just about two weeks ago that JP II died and people were > talking about how great he was, and that he should be canonized. > Within 20 minutes of the selection of the new pope I heard scathing > criticisms of JP II. According to his detractors, the only good thing > he did was to travel. They claimed that he centralized too much of > the power of the church and disenfranchises the dioceses, contrary to > Catholic doctrine. Go figger. It doesn't surprise me much at all. Secular media, dead person they didn't like much anyway, but had to say nice stuff about him because he was dead, new guy they really don't like and the criticisms flow. Normal operations, IMO. They also called out on parade "catholic" experts who are pretty obviously (even to secular media folk) not in line with Vatican and Catholic teaching and interviewed them as though they had the same authority as those who are still in full communion with Rome. > It was interesting to see a line up of the popeful hopefuls in the > newspaper today. The columnists had a list of the top 10 candidates > complete with names pictures, age, assets and weaknesses. Oddly, > Uncle Ben was not among the top 10. As I understand it, those who want to be pope or are seen as eager to be pope are not trusted and generally not elected. Eagerness is seen as making a candidate unfit. My guess is that there was a room full of men who were voting for anyone but himself. Regards, Ranee -- Remove Do Not and Spam to email "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13 See my Blog at: http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/ |
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In article >, "Gabby"
> wrote: > That paper's columnists must have been living under rocks for the > last year or so, because Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger has been named as > "most likely to succeed JPII" for the last couple of years. Of course they are surprised. After all he isn't who _they_ wanted. As little media exposure as I get, even _I_ knew he was a front runner. Remember though that they use people who speak blatantly against and in opposition to Papal teaching, Scripture and Tradition as their "experts" on Catholocism. Some of that may just be that the person identifies as Catholic and has the right letters behind his name, but surely even they paid _some_ attention to all those letters, speeches and encyclicals from the Pope they reported on? Regards, Ranee -- Remove Do Not and Spam to email "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13 See my Blog at: http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/ |
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"aem" > wrote: > 3. It might actually matter who the Pope is and what he tells his > followers to believe. For example, if he says only Roman Catholics can > go to heaven and everyone else will perish, then those folks will be > arrayed directly against the radical fundamentalists of Islam. That > caused a rather important series of conflicts a few centuries ago, and > now the weapons at their disposal are a lot more powerful. Again, though, there is nobody anywhere forcing anyone to become or remain Roman Catholic. I'm not, and although I have friends who wish I was, there is nothing they can do to make me submit to dogmas I cannot submit to, likewise, if they decide to leave the church, nobody will force them to stay. As for those conflicts a few centuries ago, it is interesting that Jews, Christians and Muslims lived rather peacably together even as Muslims held the holy land until a new fellow came into town and declared that no Christian would be allowed access to their holy sites. Doesn't make the results right, and I think they went about dealing with it the wrong way, but it isn't quite as simple as declaring Muslims infidels and sacking them everywhere they could. Regards, Ranee -- Remove Do Not and Spam to email "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13 See my Blog at: http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/ |
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In article >, zxcvbob
> wrote: > St. Paul was against women priests. The pope (any pope) doesn't have > much descretion in that matter; while the qualifications for a church > leader are subject to a *little* interpretative license, it's clear that > women are disqualified -- I don't know why, that's just the way it is. > The women were (are) free to participate in most other capacities, which > was kind of radical in that era. It's largely because the priest acts In Loco Christi, and Christ was a man. > I have no idea where the RC gets it's position on celebacy. St. Paul and the passage about spiritual eunuchs from Jesus. As I understand those passages, they support convents and monasteries, and even some celibate priests, but not an enforced celibacy in the priesthood. That contradicts directly I & II Timothy, Titus, and church tradition as the Orthodox church has always had married priests. > John Paul I was kind of a free thinker and perhaps was going to change > the church policy on birth control. You see how long he lasted. I guess I don't see why they need to change their position. All people are free to change their church, religion, or worship and nobody has to be Roman Catholic. Regards, Ranee -- Remove Do Not and Spam to email "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13 See my Blog at: http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/ |
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Ranee Mueller wrote:
> Again, though, there is nobody anywhere forcing anyone to become or > remain Roman Catholic. Not anymore. I don't know if they still consider failure to attend mass as the mortal sin it was when I was a kid. |
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In article >, Dave Smith
> wrote: > Ranee Mueller wrote: > > > Again, though, there is nobody anywhere forcing anyone to become > > or remain Roman Catholic. > > Not anymore. I don't know if they still consider failure to attend > mass as the mortal sin it was when I was a kid. Don't know. Again, though, that is not forcing you to stay Catholic. In fact, it would be grounds to kick you out, in some cases. There are three-four major branches of Christianity: Catholocism, Orthodoxy, Anglicanism, Protestantism. Within those are thousands upon thousands of subsets. That's not even getting into Judaism or Islam, let alone the non-monotheistic religions. If one wants to be religious in our world, one certainly has a great range of choices. For me, the only part that irritates me is when someone says "I'm ___, but I don't believe in the holy book, what my religion teaches, etc" I figure, if you can't buy it, fine, but don't call yourself by that religion. The only exception to that is if someone is Jewish through his/her mother, but not practicing, as Judaism is a family line as well as religion, but I'd still rather hear, I'm a non-practicing Jew, rather than I'm Jewish, but don't keep any of the law. I am a convert, and thus was pretty picky and deliberate about what I chose as my faith. I have since had to switch churches and know how difficult and painful that is. There is no reason to stay within religious frame work with which you cannot abide, unless you are truly trying to submit yourself to the teachings and learn to love them. Regards, Ranee -- Remove Do Not and Spam to email "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13 See my Blog at: http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/ |
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