The Pope is here.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff today by
the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of thousands of people
cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has chosen the name Benedict XVI,
the Vatican announced. The announcement came shortly after white smoke rose
from the Vatican chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope had been
selected.

The Ranger

The Ranger wrote:
> The Pope is here.
>
> Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff
> today by the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of
> thousands of people cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has
> chosen the name Benedict XVI, the Vatican announced. The announcement
> came shortly after white smoke rose from the Vatican chimney and
> bells rang to announce that a new pope had been selected.
>
> The Ranger

Only one more predicted pope left; Peter the Roman. I've been trying to
tell my friends that this one was going to be a Benedict from the Benedict
sect, but no one believed me. Peter the Roman is purportedly the next and
last one after this Benedict according to St. Malachy who has correctly
predicted every pope in the Catholic Church history from back around 1138.

kili

"The Ranger" > wrote in message
...
> The Pope is here.
>
> Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff today
> by
> the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of thousands of people
> cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has chosen the name Benedict XVI,
> the Vatican announced. The announcement came shortly after white smoke
> rose
> from the Vatican chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope had
> been
> selected.

With any luck, they'll run out of the story of his life and views by the end
of
the week.

nancy

On 2005-04-19, kilikini > wrote:

> Only one more predicted pope left; Peter the Roman. I've been trying to
> tell my friends that this one was going to be a Benedict from the Benedict
> sect, but no one believed me. Peter the Roman is purportedly the next and
> last one after this Benedict according to St. Malachy who has correctly
> predicted every pope in the Catholic Church history from back around 1138.

So, it couldn't possibly be the church has a copy of ol' Malachy's
predictions lying around somewhere's, could it?

nb

"The Ranger" > wrote in message
...
> The Pope is here.
>
> Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff today
> by
> the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of thousands of people
> cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has chosen the name Benedict XVI,
> the Vatican announced. The announcement came shortly after white smoke
> rose
> from the Vatican chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope had
> been
> selected.
>
> The Ranger

Just what we need a German Pope - Lets hope he ain't a Jesuit too.


Dimitri

notbob wrote:
> On 2005-04-19, kilikini > wrote:
>
>> Only one more predicted pope left; Peter the Roman. I've been
>> trying to tell my friends that this one was going to be a Benedict
>> from the Benedict sect, but no one believed me. Peter the Roman is
>> purportedly the next and last one after this Benedict according to
>> St. Malachy who has correctly predicted every pope in the Catholic
>> Church history from back around 1138.
>
> So, it couldn't possibly be the church has a copy of ol' Malachy's
> predictions lying around somewhere's, could it?
>
> nb

Most likely is the case.

kili

notbob wrote:
> On 2005-04-19, kilikini > wrote:
>
> > Only one more predicted pope left; Peter the Roman. I've been
> > trying to tell my friends that this one was going to be a Benedict
> > from the Benedict sect, but no one believed me. Peter the Roman
> > is purportedly the next and last one after this Benedict according
> > to St. Malachy who has correctly predicted every pope in the
> > Catholic Church history from back around 1138.
>
> So, it couldn't possibly be the church has a copy of ol' Malachy's
> predictions lying around somewhere's, could it?
>
> nb

No, it's just more superstitious nonsense. The Malachy guy lived in
the twelfth century and made up a list of "symbolic" predictions of
future popes. You know, the standard technique of being so vague that
it could be stretched to fit whatever actually happens. For example,
Pius XII was "predicted" because Malachy wrote "Pastor angelicus" or
"Angelic Shepherd." This is "true" because Pius XII was thought to be
very mystical and was believed to have received visions. Whoop-te-doo.
Another one was "predicted" by Malachy's calling him something to do
with "marine," and he turned out to have served in Venice, home of the
gondolas. But wotthehell, if you're inclined to believe all the rest
of those ancient superstitions, why not this, too? -aem

"kilikini" > wrote:

>Only one more predicted pope left; Peter the Roman. I've been trying to
>tell my friends that this one was going to be a Benedict from the Benedict
>sect, but no one believed me. Peter the Roman is purportedly the next and
>last one after this Benedict according to St. Malachy who has correctly
>predicted every pope in the Catholic Church history from back around 1138.
>
>kili
>

That's incredibly interesting that you say that. I just read an
article about St. Malachy's predictions this week. I think John Paul
II was number 110 since Innocent II, and that would leave 2 more, as
you say. Extra-biblical prophecies (for example, Nostradamus - who I
simply don't accept) are a little scary to get involved with. But it
seems that, even though some of the "descriptions" of each of the 112
that he gave are a little stretch, there don't seem to be any actual
misktakes. He also apparently meant by "peter the roman", at least by
this writer, by analogy to ancient Rome (not the first Peter) that the
last pope may end up being an apostate. It' all pretty weird, but
just weird enough to be interesting. BTW, I'm not Catholic, and not
real up on it. St. Malachy's prediction for this new pope was "Gloria
Olivae" or "Glory of the olive". The order of St. Benedict are known
as Olivetans. Is he from this order, or is the name he picked
relevant? The one for Paul VI was 'Flos Florum" and his coat of arms
was 3 fleur-de-lis. Pope John Paul II was "De Labor Solis", or labor
of the sun. He was born during a solar eclipse, and unusally came to
the Vatican from the east, ie sunrise. Course someone has managed to
find the complete history of the world by manipulating codes in "Moby
Dick". So who knows.

Dimitri wrote:

> "The Ranger" > wrote
>
>> The Pope is here.
>>
>> Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff
>> today by the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of
>> thousands of people cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has
>> chosen the name Benedict XVI, the Vatican announced. The
>> announcement came shortly after white smoke rose from the Vatican
>> chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope had been
>> selected.
>>
>> The Ranger
>
> Just what we need a German Pope - Lets hope he ain't a Jesuit too.

Well, at least he'll get the trains to run on time.

Oh, wait...

Pastorio

"Bob (this one)" > wrote in message
...

<snip>

>> Just what we need a German Pope - Lets hope he ain't a Jesuit too.
>
> Well, at least he'll get the trains to run on time.
>
> Oh, wait...
>
> Pastorio

LOL

Can we say the Gestapo of the church..


Dimitri

Dimitri wrote:
>
> Can we say the Gestapo of the church..
>
One hopes not. He was in the Hitler Youth as a youngster, but we're
told he was forced into that involuntarily. And later when he was
inducted into the German army, he deserted -- or escaped, or however
you want to view it. -aem

"aem" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Dimitri wrote:
>>
>> Can we say the Gestapo of the church..
>>
> One hopes not. He was in the Hitler Youth as a youngster, but we're
> told he was forced into that involuntarily. And later when he was
> inducted into the German army, he deserted -- or escaped, or however
> you want to view it. -aem

Actually the point is the Jesuits - usually highly educated but somewhat
inflexible. (Rigid)

;-)

Dimitri

"Dimitri" > wrote

> Actually the point is the Jesuits - usually highly educated but somewhat
> inflexible. (Rigid)

Funny, I was under the impression that they were more lenient,
but ... really, I don't know. Perhaps because they were the only
priests who would cooperate with a rabbi in my ex-bil's wedding.

nancy

Dimitri wrote:
> "aem" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Dimitri wrote:
> >>
> >> Can we say the Gestapo of the church..
> >>
> > One hopes not. He was in the Hitler Youth as a youngster, but
we're
> > told he was forced into that involuntarily. And later when he was
> > inducted into the German army, he deserted -- or escaped, or
however
> > you want to view it. -aem
>
> Actually the point is the Jesuits - usually highly educated but
somewhat
> inflexible. (Rigid)
>
> ;-)
>
> Dimitri


That fits - Benedict XVI is known to be ultra-conservative (I'd call
that rigid).

A friend says, "After John-Paul, why not 'George-Ringo?'" At least a
George-Ringo might be more liberal (IOW, just conservative, not
ultra-conservative). (A Pope's name is indicative of his adherence to
the tenets of the faith. I'm not Catholic, so I was hoping for someone
more aware of the real world. I guess it won't be this one.)

N.

On 2005-04-19, > wrote:

> the tenets of the faith. I'm not Catholic, so I was hoping for someone
> more aware of the real world. I guess it won't be this one.)

I'm not either, but it seems quite obvious the new Pope is an
arch-conservative. Of the Church, he says:

"We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not
recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal
one's own ego and one's own desires."

From what I've heard so far, the Catholic church is headed backwards
instead of forwards. He's against women priests, it's the media's
fault we hear so much about pedophile priests, and I don't see much
hope for any kind of realistic birth control for the world's Catholic
population. It would appear the Church's approach is, if ya' can't
beat 'em, out breed 'em.

nb

Bob (this one) wrote:

> Dimitri wrote:
>
>> "The Ranger" > wrote
>>
>>> The Pope is here.
>>>
>>> Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff
>>> today by the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of
>>> thousands of people cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has
>>> chosen the name Benedict XVI, the Vatican announced. The
>>> announcement came shortly after white smoke rose from the Vatican
>>> chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope had been selected.
>>>
>>> The Ranger
>>
>>
>> Just what we need a German Pope - Lets hope he ain't a Jesuit too.
>
>
> Well, at least he'll get the trains to run on time.
>
> Oh, wait...
>
> Pastorio


I thought that was the Italians.

Bob

In article >, notbob
> wrote:

> From what I've heard so far, the Catholic church is headed backwards
> instead of forwards. He's against women priests, it's the media's
> fault we hear so much about pedophile priests, and I don't see much
> hope for any kind of realistic birth control for the world's Catholic
> population. It would appear the Church's approach is, if ya' can't
> beat 'em, out breed 'em.

Why is it that non-Catholics (and Catholics who don't attend church
or actually believe in the doctrines of their church) care so much about
the direction of the Roman Catholic church?

Regards,
Ranee (not a Roman Catholic, not concerned either way who the pope
was going to be)

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ndooley wrote:
> A friend says, "After John-Paul, why not 'George-Ringo?'"

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

Forgive me, I'm having a hard time posting with the new computer. I
wanted to quote Dimitri's and Nancy's posts.

I was raised Catholic but lost the faith at maybe around age thirteen.
The last mass I attended was last June, and I still didn't get
anything back from the past. And, I would actually prefer the Latin
mass, rather than some of these lame songs that are sung at mass now.

Somehow, I ended up working at a Jesuit college and got free tuition
there, so had sorted of lived in that milieu from work and classes for
some years. I would never call the Jesuits rigid. The ones I knew
were well-traveled, well-read and all had a sense of humor. I got the
impression that the Jesuits were of a more intellectual branch of the
church.

When I was on staff at the college, there would be an annual barbecue
where the professors and Jebbies would =E7ook us a meal. They always
served wine and beer, and this, during a work day.

No recipe, but a joke, badly-told.

This Catholic couple were worried about how their son would choose his
vocation in life. One night, the parents left some things on the
table: a bible, a bottle of whiskey and a pile of money. The next
morning, they were all missing. The father said, I fear he will become
a Jesuit. It actually rings true to me, knowing those guys.

Ranee Mueller wrote:
> Why is it that non-Catholics (and Catholics who don't attend
> church or actually believe in the doctrines of their church) care so
> much about the direction of the Roman Catholic church?
>
1. Matters Roman have saturated the media for a number of days now.
People tend to talk about whatever is before them.

2. Speaking only for myself, for many years I have found what William
James called "the will to believe" fascinating. The impulse is so
strong that it leads vast numbers of people into trying as hard as they
can to believe things that are obviously untrue, let alone those things
that cannot be observed or tested. (I'm not talking here just about
the Roman church, obviously.) The permutations and combinations are
endlessly entertaining to me, from the pointy hats they wear in Rome to
the south sea islanders who worship the airplane god, to the Roswell
conspiracy theorists, to fad dieters, etc. without end.

3. It might actually matter who the Pope is and what he tells his
followers to believe. For example, if he says only Roman Catholics can
go to heaven and everyone else will perish, then those folks will be
arrayed directly against the radical fundamentalists of Islam. That
caused a rather important series of conflicts a few centuries ago, and
now the weapons at their disposal are a lot more powerful.

Ranee Mueller wrote:

> Why is it that non-Catholics (and Catholics who don't attend church
> or actually believe in the doctrines of their church) care so much about
> the direction of the Roman Catholic church?
>

It was just about two weeks ago that JP II died and people were talking
about how great he was, and that he should be canonized. Within 20 minutes
of the selection of the new pope I heard scathing criticisms of JP II.
According to his detractors, the only good thing he did was to travel. They
claimed that he centralized too much of the power of the church and
disenfranchises the dioceses, contrary to Catholic doctrine. Go figger.

It was interesting to see a line up of the popeful hopefuls in the newspaper
today. The columnists had a list of the top 10 candidates complete with
names pictures, age, assets and weaknesses. Oddly, Uncle Ben was not among
the top 10.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Ranee Mueller wrote:
>
>> Why is it that non-Catholics (and Catholics who don't attend church
>> or actually believe in the doctrines of their church) care so much about
>> the direction of the Roman Catholic church?
>>
>
> It was just about two weeks ago that JP II died and people were talking
> about how great he was, and that he should be canonized. Within 20 minutes
> of the selection of the new pope I heard scathing criticisms of JP II.
> According to his detractors, the only good thing he did was to travel.
> They
> claimed that he centralized too much of the power of the church and
> disenfranchises the dioceses, contrary to Catholic doctrine. Go figger.
>
> It was interesting to see a line up of the popeful hopefuls in the
> newspaper
> today. The columnists had a list of the top 10 candidates complete with
> names pictures, age, assets and weaknesses. Oddly, Uncle Ben was not
> among
> the top 10.

That paper's columnists must have been living under rocks for the last year
or so, because Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger has been named as "most likely to
succeed JPII" for the last couple of years.

Gabby

On Tue 19 Apr 2005 06:59:23p, Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Ranee Mueller wrote:
>
>> Why is it that non-Catholics (and Catholics who don't attend church
>> or actually believe in the doctrines of their church) care so much
>> about the direction of the Roman Catholic church?
>>
>
> It was just about two weeks ago that JP II died and people were talking
> about how great he was, and that he should be canonized. Within 20
> minutes of the selection of the new pope I heard scathing criticisms of
> JP II. According to his detractors, the only good thing he did was to
> travel. They claimed that he centralized too much of the power of the
> church and disenfranchises the dioceses, contrary to Catholic doctrine.
> Go figger.
>
> It was interesting to see a line up of the popeful hopefuls in the
> newspaper today. The columnists had a list of the top 10 candidates
> complete with names pictures, age, assets and weaknesses. Oddly, Uncle
> Ben was not among the top 10.

One of our local talk-show radio programs had a "spin the pope wheel"
contest last Friday. They had 13 candidates on the wheel. Callers would
have a spin of the wheel, the candidates being eliminated one by one. The
winner was announced this afternoon. "Nancy" won dinner and theater
tickets. Guess that's not too far off from a Catholic church carnival.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:55:39 GMT, kilikini wrote:

> The Ranger wrote:
> > The Pope is here.
> >
> > Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff
> > today by the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of
> > thousands of people cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has
> > chosen the name Benedict XVI, the Vatican announced. The announcement
> > came shortly after white smoke rose from the Vatican chimney and
> > bells rang to announce that a new pope had been selected.
> >
> > The Ranger
>
> Only one more predicted pope left; Peter the Roman. I've been trying to
> tell my friends that this one was going to be a Benedict from the Benedict
> sect, but no one believed me. Peter the Roman is purportedly the next and
> last one after this Benedict according to St. Malachy who has correctly
> predicted every pope in the Catholic Church history from back around 1138.
>

I've never heard of St. Malachy, but you made me look...
http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

So, after Peter the Roman, it's the end of the world or the end of the
Church?

On Tue 19 Apr 2005 09:08:23p, sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:55:39 GMT, kilikini wrote:
>
>> The Ranger wrote:
>> > The Pope is here.
>> >
>> > Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff
>> > today by the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of
>> > thousands of people cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has
>> > chosen the name Benedict XVI, the Vatican announced. The
>> > announcement came shortly after white smoke rose from the Vatican
>> > chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope had been
>> > selected.
>> >
>> > The Ranger
>>
>> Only one more predicted pope left; Peter the Roman. I've been trying
>> to tell my friends that this one was going to be a Benedict from the
>> Benedict sect, but no one believed me. Peter the Roman is purportedly
>> the next and last one after this Benedict according to St. Malachy who
>> has correctly predicted every pope in the Catholic Church history from
>> back around 1138.
>>
>
> I've never heard of St. Malachy, but you made me look...
> http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp
>
> So, after Peter the Roman, it's the end of the world or the end of the
> Church?

I vote for the church.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:48:55 GMT, AlleyGator wrote:

> He also apparently meant by "peter the roman", at least by
> this writer, by analogy to ancient Rome (not the first Peter) that the
> last pope may end up being an apostate.

We were just wondering tonight why Popes aren't more like Supreme
Court Justices. Most (not all) consersative judges become centrist
after their nomination... but not popes. Popes stay just as
conservative, if not more so, after being elected. Both jobs are for
life, so why the difference?

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:22:31 GMT, Dimitri wrote:

> Just what we need a German Pope - Lets hope he ain't a Jesuit too.

I think a Jesuit would be great... but the Church wants more docile
popes.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:25:41 -0400, Bob (this one) wrote:

>
> Well, at least he'll get the trains to run on time.

Let's hope the man knows how to build bridges.

On 19 Apr 2005 17:51:42 -0700, karen wrote:

> Forgive me, I'm having a hard time posting with the new computer. I
> wanted to quote Dimitri's and Nancy's posts.

Posting from Google isn't as easy as they'd like you to believe. Get
yourself a copy of Agent (it's free) and post from your ISP's news
server.

On Tue 19 Apr 2005 09:14:01p, sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:48:55 GMT, AlleyGator wrote:
>
>> He also apparently meant by "peter the roman", at least by
>> this writer, by analogy to ancient Rome (not the first Peter) that the
>> last pope may end up being an apostate.
>
> We were just wondering tonight why Popes aren't more like Supreme
> Court Justices. Most (not all) consersative judges become centrist
> after their nomination... but not popes. Popes stay just as
> conservative, if not more so, after being elected. Both jobs are for
> life, so why the difference?
>

There's only one pope.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:50:46 -0500, notbob wrote:

> it seems quite obvious the new Pope is an arch-conservative.

I'm not surprised. I heard he was a good friend of the old Pope.
That guy put the church back 100 years!

zxcvbob wrote:
> Bob (this one) wrote:
>
>> Dimitri wrote:
>>
>>> "The Ranger" > wrote
>>>
>>>> The Pope is here.
>>>>
>>>> Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff
>>>> today by the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of
>>>> thousands of people cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has
>>>> chosen the name Benedict XVI, the Vatican announced. The
>>>> announcement came shortly after white smoke rose from the Vatican
>>>> chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope had been selected.
>>>>
>>>> The Ranger
>>>
>>> Just what we need a German Pope - Lets hope he ain't a Jesuit too.
>>
>> Well, at least he'll get the trains to run on time.
>>
>> Oh, wait...
>>
>> Pastorio
>
> I thought that was the Italians.

Not if my family is any indication...

Pastorio

>He's against women priests, it's the media's
> fault we hear so much about pedophile priests, and I don't see much
> hope for any kind of realistic birth control for the world's Catholic
> population. It would appear the Church's approach is, if ya' can't
> beat 'em, out breed 'em.

Yeah, and then let them live in the gutters and sewers, picking garbage for
a living because, God knows, we can't part with any of the BILLIONS of
dollars that we have holed up in the Vatican, now can we?

chula

chula wrote:
>>He's against women priests, it's the media's
>>fault we hear so much about pedophile priests, and I don't see much
>>hope for any kind of realistic birth control for the world's Catholic
>>population. It would appear the Church's approach is, if ya' can't
>>beat 'em, out breed 'em.
>
>
> Yeah, and then let them live in the gutters and sewers, picking garbage for
> a living because, God knows, we can't part with any of the BILLIONS of
> dollars that we have holed up in the Vatican, now can we?
>
> chula
>
>

St. Paul was against women priests. The pope (any pope) doesn't have
much descretion in that matter; while the qualifications for a church
leader are subject to a *little* interpretative license, it's clear that
women are disqualified -- I don't know why, that's just the way it is.
The women were (are) free to participate in most other capacities, which
was kind of radical in that era.

I have no idea where the RC gets it's position on celebacy.

John Paul I was kind of a free thinker and perhaps was going to change
the church policy on birth control. You see how long he lasted.

best regards,
Bob

The Ranger wrote:
> The Pope is here.
>
> Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff
today by
> the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of thousands of
people
> cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has chosen the name Benedict
XVI,
> the Vatican announced. The announcement came shortly after white
smoke rose
> from the Vatican chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope
had been
> selected.
>
> The Ranger

Who knows how long an individual will live, but, the average age of
death for a pope in the last 250-years (17 previous popes since 1750)
is 78 years, 123 days.

Benedict XVI is 78 years and 3 days old on April 19, 2005.



Rusty

In article .com>,
"Rusty" > wrote:

> The Ranger wrote:
> > The Pope is here.
> >
> > Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th pontiff
> today by
> > the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of thousands of
> people
> > cheered in St. Peter's Square. Ratzinger has chosen the name Benedict
> XVI,
> > the Vatican announced. The announcement came shortly after white
> smoke rose
> > from the Vatican chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope
> had been
> > selected.
> >
> > The Ranger
>
> Who knows how long an individual will live, but, the average age of
> death for a pope in the last 250-years (17 previous popes since 1750)
> is 78 years, 123 days.
>
> Benedict XVI is 78 years and 3 days old on April 19, 2005.
>
>
>
> Rusty

Don't underestimate Germans...
Average lifespan is longer. ;-)

At the hospital where I work, the oldest one that died (and was pretty
much healthy until he had a stroke) was 104. The hospital is in a
primarily german town.

Most of them seem to live into their mid to late 90's.

The cardinals may have underestimated themselves yet again!
--
K.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Tue 19 Apr 2005 09:08:23p, sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:55:39 GMT, kilikini wrote:
>>
>>> The Ranger wrote:
>>> > The Pope is here.
>>> >
>>> > Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany was elected the 265th
>>> pontiff > today by the College of Cardinals. He was announced as
>>> tens of > thousands of people cheered in St. Peter's Square.
>>> Ratzinger has > chosen the name Benedict XVI, the Vatican
>>> announced. The > announcement came shortly after white smoke rose
>>> from the Vatican > chimney and bells rang to announce that a new
>>> pope had been > selected.
>>> >
>>> > The Ranger
>>>
>>> Only one more predicted pope left; Peter the Roman. I've been
>>> trying to tell my friends that this one was going to be a Benedict
>>> from the Benedict sect, but no one believed me. Peter the Roman
>>> is purportedly the next and last one after this Benedict according
>>> to St. Malachy who has correctly predicted every pope in the
>>> Catholic Church history from back around 1138.
>>>
>>
>> I've never heard of St. Malachy, but you made me look...
>> http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp
>>
>> So, after Peter the Roman, it's the end of the world or the end of
>> the Church?
>
> I vote for the church.

I do too. Supposedly the church breaks down into groups that "supervise"
various worldwide divisions instead of a dominant heirarchy.

kili

In article >,
Ranee Mueller > wrote:

> In article >, notbob
> > wrote:
>
> > From what I've heard so far, the Catholic church is headed backwards
> > instead of forwards. He's against women priests, it's the media's
> > fault we hear so much about pedophile priests, and I don't see much
> > hope for any kind of realistic birth control for the world's Catholic
> > population. It would appear the Church's approach is, if ya' can't
> > beat 'em, out breed 'em.
>
> Why is it that non-Catholics (and Catholics who don't attend church
> or actually believe in the doctrines of their church) care so much about
> the direction of the Roman Catholic church?

Shoot, I don't "care" about its direction; I've just been fascinated
with all the hubbub. And I would have loved to have been a fly on the
wall in all the private conversations about who to elect. I love church
politicking. :-0) And it's been pretty tough to avoid the subject of
the papacy since April 7 or 8. Newspapers have been full of it. TV.
Regular programming has been halted "to bring you this bulletin from The
Vatican." It's been all the rage. God help him.
--
-Barb, <http://www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updates in mid-April.
"I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and
say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner,
performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005.

The end of times here on planet earth as we know it.
It's gonna be a big change and every person is gonna have to deal with
it and it's not gonna be pleasant. Things are going to get real bad
before they get good again.

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> I love church politicking. :-0)
> And it's been pretty tough to avoid the subject of
> the papacy since April 7 or 8.
>
> "Newspapers have been full of it".
> -Barb

Great line.

Sheldon (seriously doubts this pope will reverse RC doctrine on child
molestation/murder)