Or perhaps not so small for some...

I am one of the (likely) few people here who actually has to pay to download
Usenet. In Japan, telephone calls are not free and are charged in three
minute increments. For some reason, Usenet is only available through
relatively slow dial-up ISPs, so I have to pay telephone charges each time I
download.

Here's my problem...a lot of people here don't trim the posts to which they
are replying. The longer the post, the longer it takes to download, and the
more money it costs me. Many of the non-trimmers are regulars with high
volumes of posts. I have not kill-filed them because they are generally
very friendly, and offer great recipes and other information. However, once
they start going OT, to more personal replies (which happens frequently and
also costs me money, but I've participated in those, as well, so I can't
complain), they don't bother trimming (actually, it doesn't just happen with
OT posts, but with any type of post).

My request is...please trim your posts!

Granted, I may be the only person who has this problem and really, why
change for just one person? Well, you don't have to. Do what you want, I'm
just making a request. Whether you honour it or not is your decision.

Thanks to those who do, ciao to those who don't.

rona (who is aware that this post is also costing me money)
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In article >,
"Rona Y." > wrote:

> Or perhaps not so small for some...
>
> I am one of the (likely) few people here who actually has to pay to download
> Usenet. In Japan, telephone calls are not free and are charged in three
> minute increments. For some reason, Usenet is only available through
> relatively slow dial-up ISPs, so I have to pay telephone charges each time I
> download.

I would think that in a heavily industrialized nation such as Japan,
broadband Internet access would be common. Can you read newsgroups at a
public library with broadband access if signing up for it at home is
outside your budget? Even if you can't use Usenet directly via broadband,
which is hard to believe, there's always http://groups.google.com to get
your Usenet fix.

"Rona Y." <snip>

> My request is...please trim your posts!
>
> rona

===========
Is this trimmed enough?

Cyndi Scissors

On Fri 29 Apr 2005 04:48:36p, Rona Y. wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Or perhaps not so small for some...

< snipped for brevity >

> My request is...please trim your posts!

This isn't at all unreasonable and I know there are many here who should do a
better of job of trimming, including myself. I'll try to remember.

> rona (who is aware that this post is also costing me money)

Everything has a price, and it's always a question of whether what we get is
worth what we paid. :-)

Cheers, Rona!

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____________________________________________

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On Sat 30 Apr 2005 06:42:40a, Rick & Cyndi wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Rona Y." <snip>
>
>> My request is...please trim your posts!
>>
>> rona
>
> ===========
> Is this trimmed enough?
>
> Cyndi Scissors

Amended... Cyndi Scissorhand!

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On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:48:36 +0900, "Rona Y."
> wrote:
<snip>
>Granted, I may be the only person who has this problem and really, why
>change for just one person? Well, you don't have to. Do what you want, I'm
>just making a request. Whether you honour it or not is your decision.
>
>Thanks to those who do, ciao to those who don't.
>
>rona (who is aware that this post is also costing me money)

Can you do more off-line? I.e., on my newsreader I can choose which
bodies I want to download. It also gives an indication of how large
each post is which becomes a criterion for selection.

So, you can log in, download the headers, log off, choose the ones you
want to retrieve, reply to previously downloaded ones (including
writing new ones) at your leisure off-line, log in, download the ones
you've selected/retrieve new headers/send your own posts, and log off
again.

Of course, it would be ideal if people trimmed and kept to the topic,
but working off-line might help too.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:57:50 -0400, Shawn Hearn wrote:

> In article >,
> "Rona Y." > wrote:
>
> > Or perhaps not so small for some...
> >
> > I am one of the (likely) few people here who actually has to pay to download
> > Usenet. In Japan, telephone calls are not free and are charged in three
> > minute increments. For some reason, Usenet is only available through
> > relatively slow dial-up ISPs, so I have to pay telephone charges each time I
> > download.
>
> I would think that in a heavily industrialized nation such as Japan,
> broadband Internet access would be common. Can you read newsgroups at a
> public library with broadband access if signing up for it at home is
> outside your budget? Even if you can't use Usenet directly via broadband,
> which is hard to believe, there's always http://groups.google.com to get
> your Usenet fix.

Reading via google is much slower than downloading posts enmass and
reading off line.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:48:36 +0900, Rona Y. wrote:

> Or perhaps not so small for some...
>
> I am one of the (likely) few people here who actually has to pay to download
> Usenet. In Japan, telephone calls are not free and are charged in three
> minute increments. For some reason, Usenet is only available through
> relatively slow dial-up ISPs, so I have to pay telephone charges each time I
> download.

First, get yourself a different newsreader! (For instance) Agent will
let you download headers only, you can trim them > then get the
bodies. It also lets you know how large each message is, so you can
trim headers according to size. After that, you can do all of your
reading/replying off line and send your replies as a group when you go
back online.

Secondly, you don't have to be held hostage by a dial-up ISP just
because you want to read Usenet. There are free and pay news servers
that you can subscribe to, which are accessible via broadband. If you
need any suggestions, we've discussed that matter in the not so
distant past... just ask!

HTH
sf

Rona Y. wrote:
> Or perhaps not so small for some...
>
> I am one of the (likely) few people here who actually has to pay to
> download Usenet. In Japan, telephone calls are not free and are
> charged in three minute increments. For some reason, Usenet is only
> available through relatively slow dial-up ISPs, so I have to pay
> telephone charges each time I download.
>
Why, for some reason, did I think you were in Canada?
>
> rona (who is aware that this post is also costing me money)

Trimmed the post for money

Jill

"Rona Y." > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> Here's my problem...a lot of people here don't trim the posts to which
they
> are replying.
<snip>

Mine too for a different reason - courtesy. I was thinking how I could post
a reminder about courtesy and the minor art form of trimming posts without
bringing down a load of crap. Thank you for bringing the subject up! Most
people here either do not know that they should trim posts or don't think it
applies to them. Some very nice people tend to lack the simple courtesy of
trimming. They will make a reader go through a long post to find a small
simple sentence reply. As you can see in this thread, most have missed the
main point.

It isn't difficult so TRIM YOUR DAMNED POSTS!

Charlie

jmcquown wrote on 30 Apr 2005 in rec.food.cooking

> Why, for some reason, did I think you were in Canada?
> >
> > rona (who is aware that this post is also costing me money)
>
> Trimmed the post for money
>
> Jill
>

Rona works in Japan...but used to call Winnipeg Home...she still might.

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Shawn Hearn wrote:

> In article >,
> "Rona Y." > wrote:
>
> > Or perhaps not so small for some...
> >
> > I am one of the (likely) few people here who actually has to pay to
download
> > Usenet. In Japan, telephone calls are not free and are charged in three
> > minute increments. For some reason, Usenet is only available through
> > relatively slow dial-up ISPs, so I have to pay telephone charges each
time I
> > download.
>
> I would think that in a heavily industrialized nation such as Japan,
> broadband Internet access would be common. Can you read newsgroups at a
> public library with broadband access if signing up for it at home is
> outside your budget? Even if you can't use Usenet directly via broadband,
> which is hard to believe, there's always http://groups.google.com to get
> your Usenet fix.


Uh, what is your point exactly? Rona clearly stated that sloppy posting
habits will cause her to avoid the posts of those who insist upon exercising
such behavior. *How* she accesses Usenet is absolutely *no* concern of
yours...

Just so you know, a number of telecoms in "heavily industrialized nation(s)"
do NOT have free unlimited local calls, *everyone* is charged by the unit,
an ISP can offer "unlimited" access for so much per month, but the
subscriber is still going to get hit with additional telephone charges
regardless...

And I agree with her initial point - I get real tired of reading X00 lines
of quoted post, only to have the poster add a line or three of their own
comments at the end. I've killfiled a number of Usenet posters who engage
in this bad habit, I do my best to trim posts, it only takes a few seconds
of my time and makes it easier for others to read my posts (whether they
*want* to is a whole 'nother topic, lol :-).

Not trimming one's posts is every bit as rude as top - posting IMNSHO...

And in any case Google is just about the poorest and slowest way around to
access Usenet, it's no panacea for her concerns.

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Charles Gifford wrote:

[...]

> It isn't difficult so TRIM YOUR DAMNED POSTS!


Thank you :-)

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