"Dimitri" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message ...
>> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>>
>>> We're calling the doctor tomorrow and I'll ask him about this. Ever
>>> since going on the heavy-duty narcotics, he hasn't had an appetite, and
>>> hasn't been able to keep anything down when he does try to eat. I'll
>>> report back tomorrow.
>>
>> I'm wishing you and Crash a lot of luck.
>>
>> For the appetite thing, you don't happen to be in
>> California do you? This is one of the legitmate uses
>> for canabis, enabling people to eat who otherwise
>> can't because of narcotic induced nausea. Seriously.
>> Legal in Cali, and possibly a couple other states,
>> though the feds seem to disagree and I haven't kept
>> up on who has won the latest court battles.
>>
>> Bill Ranck
>> Blacksburg, Va.
>
> That portion of California law has yet to be fully adjudicated and IIRC
> requires a doctors prescription. See below:
>
>
> http://www.canorml.org/laws/calmjlaws.html
>
>
> Possession of marijuana is a misdemeanor under California Health and
> Safety Code Section 11357. Possession of one ounce (28.5 gms) or less is
> punishable by a maximum $100 fine. Jail time is possible for larger
> amounts or for hashish, which is an optional felony ("wobbler"). However,
> under Prop 36, effective July 1, 2001, first- and second- time
> possession-only offenders may demand a treatment program instead of jail.
> Upon successful completion of the program, their conviction is erased.
> Possession (and personal use cultivation) offenders can also avoid
> conviction by making a preguilty plea under Penal Code 1000, in which case
> their charges are dismissed upon successful completion of a diversion
> program. Possession offenses are expunged from the record after two years
> under Health and Safety Code Sections 11361.5 and 11361.7.
>
> Possession of one ounce or less in a vehicle while driving may also be
> charged under Vehicle Code 23222, which is treated identically to HSC
> 11357 B.
>
> Medical marijuana: Medical patients and their designated primary
> caregivers may legally possess and cultivate, but not distribute or sell,
> marijuana under Health and Safety Code 11362.5 (Prop 215) if they have a
> physician's recommendation or approval.
She is in a small town in southern Minnesota. It would be hard for her to
get decent cannabis unless she has a connection in the local high school.
The stuff that grows wild hasn't come up yet and isn't very good anyway.
:-)

The medical establishment has drugs that can help with the problems as well.

del cecchi
>

The medical establishment has drugs that can help with the problems as
well.
>
I think it's called cabinol(sp) and it's made from the same stuff in
the weed. Plus you don't have to fill your lungs with smoke to get the
same results.

storm clouds wrote:
> The medical establishment has drugs that can help with the problems as
> well.
>
> I think it's called cabinol(sp) and it's made from the same stuff in
> the weed. Plus you don't have to fill your lungs with smoke to get the
> same results.
>

Marinol. And we sometimes give it to AIDS patients and others in an
attempt to stimulate appetite. Some say it works, others says it's a
waste of money. YMMV.
Goomba

Ooooh, Damsel & Crash.

Calling out the "Prayer Warriors". My own personal army includes (this
is a real list!): a bunch of nuns - some real, some theatrical,
assorted Jews (At least a minyan - mostly reform), the odd Unitarian
(ever met a Unitarian who wasn't odd?) my sister in Pennsylvania - the
Episcopalian who is currently into Native American spirituality, and
shamanism with drumming plus a few of her Old Order Amish neighbors. My
friend Eldon the Buddhist who is in recovery from schizophrenia, a few
local wiccans & pagans plus a whole boatload of Lutherans and assorted
protestants. Hope you can come up with some evangelicals on your own .
.. . ;-)

Love to you and Crash
Refusing to give up on the possibility of the cook in!
Lynn from Fargo

>
> Jill <--whose dad is having femoral artery bypass surgery Thursday or
> Friday
>
Jill, this sounds very serious. Best wishes to your dad and to you and the
rest of your family.

Elisa

"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Well, gang, we just got back from seeing the orthopedic surgeon. He
> pronounced Crash's Avascular Necrosis to be *severe* in both hips,
> necessitating two total hip replacements. The first will take place on
> June 8th. Not sure when the second one will be, but if it interferes
> with the cook-in, well ... there's always next year.
>
> We'd appreciate any prayers, vibes, thoughts, candles. Whatever you've
> got.
>
> Carol and Crash

Carol,

All the best to your husband and also to you. My prayers are with you both.

Elisa
>

"Lynn from Fargo" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Ooooh, Damsel & Crash.
>
> Calling out the "Prayer Warriors". My own personal army includes (this
> is a real list!): a bunch of nuns - some real, some theatrical,
> assorted Jews (At least a minyan - mostly reform), the odd Unitarian
> (ever met a Unitarian who wasn't odd?) my sister in Pennsylvania - the
> Episcopalian who is currently into Native American spirituality, and
> shamanism with drumming plus a few of her Old Order Amish neighbors. My
> friend Eldon the Buddhist who is in recovery from schizophrenia, a few
> local wiccans & pagans plus a whole boatload of Lutherans and assorted
> protestants. Hope you can come up with some evangelicals on your own .
> . . ;-)

There will be a handholding and Choir rehearsal at a small Alabama Church
tonight.
Their thoughts, and prayers are with you. There is sincerety here, as well
as a nod of the head to humor.

Hubert Liverman

.. Hope you can come up with some evangelicals on your own .
> > . . ;-)

RESEND


> There will be a handholding and Choir rehearsal at a small Alabama Church
> tonight.
> Their thoughts, and prayers are with you Damsel & Crash. There is
sincerety here, as well
> as a nod of the head to humor.
>
> Hubert Liverman

Elisa wrote:
>> Jill <--whose dad is having femoral artery bypass surgery Thursday or
>> Friday
>>
> Jill, this sounds very serious. Best wishes to your dad and to you
> and the rest of your family.
>
> Elisa

Thank you, Elisa. At his age, it's very serious. They did a couple of
surgeries late last year on his legs (both of them) but one didn't take.
They tried an angioplasty Monday, 5/2, on the blockage but it didn't work.
So on Thursday or Friday (the surgeon didn't know as of yesterday - it's a
small hospital) they are going to do a full bypass by stripping a vein from
one leg and doing an arterial bypass on the other leg. Sans getting the
blood-flow going, Dad will lose his foot. He's almost 81 years old so of
course I'm very concerned and ready to fly down there at a moment's notice.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote

> Thank you, Elisa. At his age, it's very serious. They did a couple of
> surgeries late last year on his legs (both of them) but one didn't take.
> They tried an angioplasty Monday, 5/2, on the blockage but it didn't work.
> So on Thursday or Friday (the surgeon didn't know as of yesterday - it's a
> small hospital) they are going to do a full bypass by stripping a vein
> from
> one leg and doing an arterial bypass on the other leg. Sans getting the
> blood-flow going, Dad will lose his foot. He's almost 81 years old so of
> course I'm very concerned and ready to fly down there at a moment's
> notice.

Oh, Jill, that's scary. You know you're in my thoughts. Please keep me
in the loop if you can.

(hug) nancy

One time on Usenet, "Elisa" > said:
> >
> > Jill <--whose dad is having femoral artery bypass surgery Thursday or
> > Friday
> >
> Jill, this sounds very serious. Best wishes to your dad and to you and the
> rest of your family.

I'm sorry, I missed Jill's comments -- my very best wishes to her, Dad,
and the family as well...

--
Jani in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~
"The ships hung in the sky in much the same
way that bricks don't" - D. Adams, HGTTG

Gal Called Jani wrote:
> One time on Usenet, "Elisa" > said:
>>>
>>> Jill <--whose dad is having femoral artery bypass surgery Thursday
>>> or Friday
>>>
>> Jill, this sounds very serious. Best wishes to your dad and to you
>> and the rest of your family.
>
> I'm sorry, I missed Jill's comments -- my very best wishes to her,
> Dad,
> and the family as well...

Thanks... It's scary. My comment was merely a thing attached to my sig
about my dad having surgery. But I'm really afraid of this at his age. I
think I've been preparing to lose him for a long time but this is no fun.
He's a hard-headed M*F*kr and I want him to outlive me, dammit!

Jill (laughing and crying)

"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Well, gang, we just got back from seeing the orthopedic surgeon. He
> pronounced Crash's Avascular Necrosis to be *severe* in both hips,
> necessitating two total hip replacements. The first will take place on
> June 8th. Not sure when the second one will be, but if it interferes
> with the cook-in, well ... there's always next year.
>
> We'd appreciate any prayers, vibes, thoughts, candles. Whatever you've
> got.
>
> Carol and Crash
>

Consider them sent, girlfriend. And if you need a hug, I'll be out that way
in July

kimberly

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Gal Called Jani wrote:
> > One time on Usenet, "Elisa" > said:
> >>>
> >>> Jill <--whose dad is having femoral artery bypass surgery Thursday
> >>> or Friday
> >>>
> >> Jill, this sounds very serious. Best wishes to your dad and to you
> >> and the rest of your family.
> >
> > I'm sorry, I missed Jill's comments -- my very best wishes to her,
> > Dad,
> > and the family as well...
>
He's a hard-headed M*F*kr and I want him to outlive me,

my very best to you and your dad........it's good that he's hard
headed...........

Elaine

On Wed 04 May 2005 04:47:09p, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Gal Called Jani wrote:
>> One time on Usenet, "Elisa" > said:
>>>>
>>>> Jill <--whose dad is having femoral artery bypass surgery Thursday
>>>> or Friday
>>>>
>>> Jill, this sounds very serious. Best wishes to your dad and to you
>>> and the rest of your family.
>>
>> I'm sorry, I missed Jill's comments -- my very best wishes to her,
>> Dad,
>> and the family as well...
>
> Thanks... It's scary. My comment was merely a thing attached to my sig
> about my dad having surgery. But I'm really afraid of this at his age.
> I think I've been preparing to lose him for a long time but this is no
> fun. He's a hard-headed M*F*kr and I want him to outlive me, dammit!
>
> Jill (laughing and crying)

Jill, if it's any consolation or encouragement, the husband of a co-worker
went through triple heart bypass and double femoral arterial bypass at the
same time and had 100% success. I don't know how old your dad is, but
this fellow is 67. Four years previously, he also underwent a mastectomy
for breast cancer (yes, men do go it, too).

I wish your dad the very best, and given how stubborn you say he is, I'm
sure he'll come through with flying colors.

Regards...

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> I wish he *could* eat. Even the smallest amount of food makes him sick.
> Even some Ensure-type stuff (Boost) put him head-first in the toilet.
> Gotta call the doc tomorrow. He hasn't had anything to eat since last
> Monday. We'd figured that the ortho guy might be able to help, but
> he's very much the specialist.

Sounds like Crash needs some marijuana to ease the nausea. You both are in
my prayers.

Charlie

On Wed, 4 May 2005 16:54:32 -0700, "Nexis" > wrote:

>
>"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
roups.com...
>> Well, gang, we just got back from seeing the orthopedic surgeon. He
>> pronounced Crash's Avascular Necrosis to be *severe* in both hips,
>> necessitating two total hip replacements. The first will take place on
>> June 8th. Not sure when the second one will be, but if it interferes
>> with the cook-in, well ... there's always next year.
>>
>> We'd appreciate any prayers, vibes, thoughts, candles. Whatever you've
>> got.
>>
>> Carol and Crash
>>
>I don't even know you folks, but you have good thoughts and prayers. My mother "rest her soul" went through a similar thing for her shoulders. It can be rough.

Charles Gifford wrote:
>
> Sounds like Crash needs some marijuana to ease the nausea. You both
are in
> my prayers.

Um, well ... the doctor prescribed an anti-nausea medication this
morning after all else failed.

Crash still can't/won't eat, and he set fire to his pants for the
fourth time tonight. I was sitting next to him and noticed the smell
of burning sweatpants. We have quit-smoking patches, but he won't quit
until after his surgery. In the meantime, if he's not in bed, I have
to be right there with him, just in case.

The pain meds have him in an almost Alzheimer's state. I can't begin
to describe the disorientation he's suffering. I wasn't expecting it,
but I'm suffering a lot more than I ever thought I would, too. It
breaks my heart that he's not sure where he is or what's even wrong
with him. He's oblivious for the most part, so he's doing better than
I am in that respect.

I'm drilling him on what's wrong and what will be done when he has the
surgery. The doctor won't do it unless he knows that there's informed
consent. Why didn't we fill out the legal papers a long time ago?
Right now, I should be making this decision for him. But instead, I
have to get through the haze and make sure he can tell the doctor
what's going on and that he understands.

As soon as I feel fairly confident that he understands on a consistent
basis, I'm going to push to have the surgery moved up. This just can't
go on. There's already more than a month between now and the surgery.

I only read this one post. I'm so far behind, I'll never catch up.
I'm just on a quick break now, and am hoping he's not on fire in the
next room.

This is a working e-mail address, but I can't make any promises about
responding if you write. Thank you to everyone for your thoughts,
prayers, and encouragement. Keep 'em coming.

Love you all,
Carol (if I ever get Alzheimer's, someone shoot me)

One time on Usenet, "jmcquown" > said:
> Gal Called Jani wrote:
> > One time on Usenet, "Elisa" > said:
> >>>
> >>> Jill <--whose dad is having femoral artery bypass surgery Thursday
> >>> or Friday
> >>>
> >> Jill, this sounds very serious. Best wishes to your dad and to you
> >> and the rest of your family.
> >
> > I'm sorry, I missed Jill's comments -- my very best wishes to her,
> > Dad,
> > and the family as well...
>
> Thanks... It's scary. My comment was merely a thing attached to my sig
> about my dad having surgery. But I'm really afraid of this at his age. I
> think I've been preparing to lose him for a long time but this is no fun.
> He's a hard-headed M*F*kr and I want him to outlive me, dammit!
>
> Jill (laughing and crying)

Oh, Jill -- please accept a fondly meant virtual hug...

--
Jani in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~
"The ships hung in the sky in much the same
way that bricks don't" - D. Adams, HGTTG

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Wed 04 May 2005 04:47:09p, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Gal Called Jani wrote:
>>> One time on Usenet, "Elisa" > said:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill <--whose dad is having femoral artery bypass surgery Thursday
>>>>> or Friday
>>>>>
>>>> Jill, this sounds very serious. Best wishes to your dad and to you
>>>> and the rest of your family.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, I missed Jill's comments -- my very best wishes to her,
>>> Dad,
>>> and the family as well...
>>
>> Thanks... It's scary. My comment was merely a thing attached to my
>> sig about my dad having surgery. But I'm really afraid of this at
>> his age. I think I've been preparing to lose him for a long time but
>> this is no fun. He's a hard-headed M*F*kr and I want him to outlive
>> me, dammit!
>>
>> Jill (laughing and crying)
>
> Jill, if it's any consolation or encouragement, the husband of a
> co-worker went through triple heart bypass and double femoral
> arterial bypass at the same time and had 100% success. I don't know
> how old your dad is, but this fellow is 67. Four years previously,
> he also underwent a mastectomy for breast cancer (yes, men do go it,
> too).
>
> I wish your dad the very best, and given how stubborn you say he is,
> I'm sure he'll come through with flying colors.
>
> Regards...

Dad is almost 81. Luckily his heart is strong. Thanks for a chuckle and
I'm sure he'll be fine. He is, after all, Colonel Max McQuown, USMC, RET.
<G> Three wars, 2 purple hearts, silver star, bronze star, etc. What's a
little bit of surgery?

Jill (worried to death)

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Wed 04 May 2005 04:47:09p, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Gal Called Jani wrote:
>>> One time on Usenet, "Elisa" > said:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill <--whose dad is having femoral artery bypass surgery Thursday
>>>>> or Friday
>>>>>
>>>> Jill, this sounds very serious. Best wishes to your dad and to you
>>>> and the rest of your family.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, I missed Jill's comments -- my very best wishes to her,
>>> Dad,
>>> and the family as well...
>>
>> Thanks... It's scary. My comment was merely a thing attached to my
>> sig about my dad having surgery. But I'm really afraid of this at
>> his age. I think I've been preparing to lose him for a long time but
>> this is no fun. He's a hard-headed M*F*kr and I want him to outlive
>> me, dammit!
>>
>> Jill (laughing and crying)
>
> Jill, if it's any consolation or encouragement, the husband of a
> co-worker went through triple heart bypass and double femoral
> arterial bypass at the same time and had 100% success. I don't know
> how old your dad is, but this fellow is 67. Four years previously,
> he also underwent a mastectomy for breast cancer (yes, men do go it,
> too).
>
> I wish your dad the very best, and given how stubborn you say he is,
> I'm sure he'll come through with flying colors.
>
> Regards...

Forgot to mention, Dad is a lymphoma survivor. He underwent "breast cancer"
surgery 4 years ago when a lump was discovered under his armpit and he did
the whole chemo thing. He was declared cancer free after that.

Thanks for the kind thoughts, Wayne.

Jill

In article .com>,
"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote:

> Well, gang, we just got back from seeing the orthopedic surgeon. He
> pronounced Crash's Avascular Necrosis to be *severe* in both hips,
> necessitating two total hip replacements. The first will take place on
> June 8th. Not sure when the second one will be, but if it interferes
> with the cook-in, well ... there's always next year.
>
> We'd appreciate any prayers, vibes, thoughts, candles. Whatever you've
> got.
>
> Carol and Crash

Best of luck to Crash and you Damsel. I hope both hip replacements are a
success. My dad had one hip replaced two years ago and he is doing much
better as a result, so hopefully Crash will experience the same or
better improvement after his surgery and recovery is over.

Stan Horwitz wrote:
>
> Best of luck to Crash and you Damsel. I hope both hip replacements
are a
> success. My dad had one hip replaced two years ago and he is doing
much
> better as a result, so hopefully Crash will experience the same or
> better improvement after his surgery and recovery is over.

Thanks, Stan. I'm expecting him to feel a thousand times better by
mid-June.

I called the doc this morning and he had us stop the pain patches and
go back to just oral meds. He's a lot more lucid tonight - actually,
better in every respect. No burning clothing today at all. <G> I
might just be able to sleep tonight.

To those who have offered their support, I don't have the time to
answer every post, so I've just been responding to the most recent.
But I've read all of them now, and I'm overwhelmed by how caring
everyone is. If you're gonna be part of a dysfunctional family, RFC is
the one to be part of.

Thanks everyone,
Carol and Crash

On 4 May 2005 20:23:52 -0700, "Damsel in dis Dress"
> wrote:

<snip>

> We have quit-smoking patches, but he won't quit
>until after his surgery.

OMG, Dams...I have back surgery in my future (putting it off until I
can't stand the pain anymore) and my doc said smokers are the hardest
hit by major surgery. I don't smoke, but the DH does and he told the
DH that when I have to have the spinal fusion, even *he* has to quit
smoking long beforehand, even though he never smokes in the house or
car.

I know it's tough - I quit smoking 14 years ago and it was the hardest
thing I've ever done in my life.

<more snip>

>I'm drilling him on what's wrong and what will be done when he has the
>surgery. The doctor won't do it unless he knows that there's informed
>consent. Why didn't we fill out the legal papers a long time ago?
>Right now, I should be making this decision for him. But instead, I
>have to get through the haze and make sure he can tell the doctor
>what's going on and that he understands.

You might get a temporary guardianship if his doc will sign off on it
and you can find a willing judge to declare him non compos mentis. I
don't envy you, but I wish you godspeed.

<more snip>

Bless you both,
Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA


"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> On 4 May 2005 20:23:52 -0700, "Damsel in dis Dress"
> > wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > We have quit-smoking patches, but he won't quit
> >until after his surgery.
>
> OMG, Dams...I have back surgery in my future (putting it off until I
> can't stand the pain anymore) and my doc said smokers are the hardest
> hit by major surgery. I don't smoke, but the DH does and he told the
> DH that when I have to have the spinal fusion, even *he* has to quit
> smoking long beforehand, even though he never smokes in the house or
> car.

Crash was supposed to quit when I had my boobectomies, but that didn't
happen. The good part about him being so whacked out right now is that
he just sits there, holding an unlit cigarette in one hand and a
lighter in the other. Indefinitely. He's hardly smoking at all
anymore, so I'm hoping it'll be easier for him to quit. He's going to
be in the hospital for 5 days. Might as well get used to not smoking
before he goes in there.

> I know it's tough - I quit smoking 14 years ago and it was the
hardest
> thing I've ever done in my life.

>From what I've seen, I agree. Crash has quit about every bad habit and
addiction in the book, but he hasn't been able to quit smoking. Yet.

> You might get a temporary guardianship if his doc will sign off on it
> and you can find a willing judge to declare him non compos mentis. I
> don't envy you, but I wish you godspeed.

I talked to folks at the hospital today. The doctor flatly refuses to
perform the surgery unless Crash is totally coherant when he talks to
him. If he's still bleeped up, the surgery will be postponed. I'm
very hopeful that cutting back on his meds will improve his mental
clarity.

> Bless you both,

Thanks so much. You too.

Carol

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>
> I have back surgery in my future (putting it off until I
> can't stand the pain anymore) and my doc said smokers are the hardest
> hit by major surgery. I don't smoke, but the DH does and he told the
> DH that when I have to have the spinal fusion, even *he* has to quit
> smoking long beforehand, even though he never smokes in the house or
> car.

Sorry ... I forgot to wish you well on your surgery. The good news is
that back surgery is much less painful than the abdominal stuff (at
least in my experience - 2 backs and 3 abdominals). I hope you'll have
only minimal pain, and a speedy recovery.

Carol

On Tue, 3 May 2005 17:19:34 -0500, Dan Goodman >
wrote:

>On 3 May 2005 15:02:20 -0700, Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>
>> Well, gang, we just got back from seeing the orthopedic surgeon. He
>> pronounced Crash's Avascular Necrosis to be *severe* in both hips,
>> necessitating two total hip replacements. The first will take place on
>> June 8th. Not sure when the second one will be, but if it interferes
>> with the cook-in, well ... there's always next year.
>>
>> We'd appreciate any prayers, vibes, thoughts, candles. Whatever you've
>> got.
>
>Industrial-strength good thoughts on the way!!!

I'm lighting the candles right after I hit send.


modom

Only superficial people don't judge by appearances.
-- Oscar Wilde

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:

> Stan Horwitz wrote:
> >
> > Best of luck to Crash and you Damsel. I hope both hip replacements
> are a
> > success. My dad had one hip replaced two years ago and he is doing
> much
> > better as a result, so hopefully Crash will experience the same or
> > better improvement after his surgery and recovery is over.
>
> Thanks, Stan. I'm expecting him to feel a thousand times better by
> mid-June.
>
> I called the doc this morning and he had us stop the pain patches and
> go back to just oral meds. He's a lot more lucid tonight - actually,
> better in every respect. No burning clothing today at all. <G> I
> might just be able to sleep tonight.
> To those who have offered their support, I don't have the time to
> answer every post, so I've just been responding to the most recent.
> But I've read all of them now, and I'm overwhelmed by how caring
> everyone is. If you're gonna be part of a dysfunctional family, RFC is
> the one to be part of.
> Thanks everyone,
> Carol and Crash

Yeah - they don't tell you that a common side effect to morphoids is itchy
skin. I guess if it's real bad, it might feel like burning... I dunno what
those ICU nurses must have thought about me squirming in the bed. Honestly
thought it was sweat or something making me itch. But it goes away real
quick when you can stop taking them.
Edrena

"Dog3" > wrote in message
1...
> Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote in
> :
>
>> On 4 May 2005 20:23:52 -0700, "Damsel in dis Dress"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> We have quit-smoking patches, but he won't quit
>>>until after his surgery.
>>
>> OMG, Dams...I have back surgery in my future (putting it off until I
>> can't stand the pain anymore) and my doc said smokers are the hardest
>> hit by major surgery. I don't smoke, but the DH does and he told the
>> DH that when I have to have the spinal fusion, even *he* has to quit
>> smoking long beforehand, even though he never smokes in the house or
>> car.
>>
>> I know it's tough - I quit smoking 14 years ago and it was the hardest
>> thing I've ever done in my life.
>>
>> <more snip>
>>
>>>I'm drilling him on what's wrong and what will be done when he has the
>>>surgery. The doctor won't do it unless he knows that there's informed
>>>consent. Why didn't we fill out the legal papers a long time ago?
>>>Right now, I should be making this decision for him. But instead, I
>>>have to get through the haze and make sure he can tell the doctor
>>>what's going on and that he understands.
>>
>> You might get a temporary guardianship if his doc will sign off on it
>> and you can find a willing judge to declare him non compos mentis. I
>> don't envy you, but I wish you godspeed.
>>
>> <more snip>
>>
>> Bless you both,
>> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>> AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA
>>
>>
>> "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
>> old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
>> waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."
>>
>> -- Duncan Hines
>>
>> To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"
>>
>
> Gawd... It is so depressing. So many people have had severe medical issues
> the past couple of years. As Terry pointed out, there is a way you can
> make decisions for him. Get a power of attorney and put together a living
> will. This will help you with the medical staff and Gawd forbid, the
> legal
> people if something bad happens. I am confident nothing bad is going to
> happen and I keep thinking good thoughts about Crash. Email me the
> address
> of the hospital he will be recuperating in. I'm gonna send him some
> goodies. Hospital food sucks
>
> Michael
>
And you might do some thinking about "advance directives". The hospital
will want to discuss. Minnesota has some laws too. We had to arrange for
a visit from the lawyer to the ccu.

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:

> On 4 May 2005 20:23:52 -0700, "Damsel in dis Dress"
> > wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>We have quit-smoking patches, but he won't quit
>>until after his surgery.
>
>
> OMG, Dams...I have back surgery in my future (putting it off until I
> can't stand the pain anymore) and my doc said smokers are the hardest
> hit by major surgery. I don't smoke, but the DH does and he told the
> DH that when I have to have the spinal fusion, even *he* has to quit
> smoking long beforehand, even though he never smokes in the house or
> car.

This is very true. Neurosurgeons often tell patients they won't do
elective surgeries if the patient is still smoking, as the outcomes are
much less successful. If one has the time and inclination to quit it
will lower their surgical and post op risks.

Now segue into another common problem with hospitalized patients-
Drinking is something I need to know about when patients come in. Fifty
percent of all hospital admissions have some element of alcohol
involvement. The amount of patients who go into withdrawal while
hospitalized is phenomenal...and can truly complicate things. I have to
explain to the little old lady (aka the "LOL" who only sips a bit sherry
nightly during cocktail hour) that the reason I need to know how much
she drinks and when her last one was, is that I can monitor for the
withdrawal and anticipate the potential problems. I hate it when the
previously stable patient's BP suddenly rises sharply, they're sweating
bullets, antsy and cranky... and then within a day they're threshing
about in bed seeing spiders on the walls. Not fun for them.. or me!!
Goomba

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed 04 May 2005 04:47:09p, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Gal Called Jani wrote:
>>> One time on Usenet, "Elisa" > said:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill <--whose dad is having femoral artery bypass surgery Thursday
>>>>> or Friday
>>>>>
>>>> Jill, this sounds very serious. Best wishes to your dad and to you
>>>> and the rest of your family.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, I missed Jill's comments -- my very best wishes to her,
>>> Dad,
>>> and the family as well...
>>
>> Thanks... It's scary. My comment was merely a thing attached to my sig
>> about my dad having surgery. But I'm really afraid of this at his age.
>> I think I've been preparing to lose him for a long time but this is no
>> fun. He's a hard-headed M*F*kr and I want him to outlive me, dammit!
>>
>> Jill (laughing and crying)
>
> Jill, if it's any consolation or encouragement, the husband of a co-worker
> went through triple heart bypass and double femoral arterial bypass at the
> same time and had 100% success. I don't know how old your dad is, but
> this fellow is 67. Four years previously, he also underwent a mastectomy
> for breast cancer (yes, men do go it, too).
>
> I wish your dad the very best, and given how stubborn you say he is, I'm
> sure he'll come through with flying colors.
> Wayne Boatwright *¿*

All you men, listen up! My dear (male) cousin died from breast cancer last
year. Thanks, Wayne; I think this should be acknowledged wherever and
whenever possible to let men be aware.
Dee

The Joneses wrote:

> Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>
> > Stan Horwitz wrote:

> >
> > I called the doc this morning and he had us stop the pain patches
and
> > go back to just oral meds. He's a lot more lucid tonight -
actually,
> > better in every respect. No burning clothing today at all. <G>
>
> Yeah - they don't tell you that a common side effect to morphoids is
itchy
> skin. I guess if it's real bad, it might feel like burning... I dunno
what
> those ICU nurses must have thought about me squirming in the bed.
Honestly
> thought it was sweat or something making me itch. But it goes away
real
> quick when you can stop taking them.
> Edrena

He's back to being Crash today. When we woke up this afternoon, I
looked at him and said, "Welcome back!" Those patches were really
doing a number on him.

He didn't have burning of the skin, btw. He was literally setting his
pants on fire with lit cigarettes. But his face was drenched with
sweat that came back as fast as we could blot it away. Now all is
well. He's in pain, but he's a person again, and all of us (including
the dogs and cat) are very grateful for that.

Gotta run and pick up some prescriptions. I hope to have more good
news as the weekend progresses.

Thanks again, everyone
Carol and Crash

"Damsel in dis Dress" wrote in message
>
> He's back to being Crash today. When we woke up this afternoon, I
> looked at him and said, "Welcome back!" Those patches were really
> doing a number on him.
>
> He didn't have burning of the skin, btw. He was literally setting his
> pants on fire with lit cigarettes. But his face was drenched with
> sweat that came back as fast as we could blot it away. Now all is
> well. He's in pain, but he's a person again, and all of us (including
> the dogs and cat) are very grateful for that.
>
> Gotta run and pick up some prescriptions. I hope to have more good
> news as the weekend progresses.
>
> Thanks again, everyone
> Carol and Crash

Great news, Carol. Meds can really do a number on you. I'm rooting for
this thing to be over before June 8, with Crash on the way to recovery #1.

Dora

In article .com>,
"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote:

> Well, gang, we just got back from seeing the orthopedic surgeon. He
> pronounced Crash's Avascular Necrosis to be *severe* in both hips,
> necessitating two total hip replacements.

Wow! Lots of good thoughts headed toward both of you. Hang in there!
It _will_ get better.

sd

Goomba38 wrote:
>
> Neurosurgeons often tell patients they won't do
> elective surgeries if the patient is still smoking, as the outcomes
are
> much less successful. If one has the time and inclination to quit it
> will lower their surgical and post op risks.

I'll pass this along to Crash. Hopefully he's still in touch with
recent problems and will want to avoid any future complications. It's
curious that the only doctor who has ever mentioned smoking was the
surgeon who did my reconstructive surgery. No one has ever counseled
Crash not to smoke when he has had previous surgeries (we go to all
medical appointments together, so I know it's not just that Crash
hasn't 'fessed up). I hope he'll listen.

Carol

In article >, Terry Pulliam
Burd > wrote:

> On 4 May 2005 20:23:52 -0700, "Damsel in dis Dress"
> > wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > We have quit-smoking patches, but he won't quit
> >until after his surgery.
>
> OMG, Dams...I have back surgery in my future (putting it off until I
> can't stand the pain anymore) and my doc said smokers are the hardest
> hit by major surgery. I don't smoke, but the DH does and he told the
> DH that when I have to have the spinal fusion, even *he* has to quit
> smoking long beforehand, even though he never smokes in the house or
> car.


Interesting. I wonder why. The Widow Geraldine is having back surgery
on Monday and she's a heavy smoker. I wonder if the doc told her to
quit. Like it would carry any sway with her. :-/
--
-Barb, <http://www.jamlady.eboard.com> Sam I Am! 5/3/05

Melba's Jammin' wrote on 07 May 2005 in rec.food.cooking

> In article >, Terry
> Pulliam Burd > wrote:
>
> > On 4 May 2005 20:23:52 -0700, "Damsel in dis Dress"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > We have quit-smoking patches, but he won't quit
> > >until after his surgery.
> >
> > OMG, Dams...I have back surgery in my future (putting it off
> > until I can't stand the pain anymore) and my doc said smokers
> > are the hardest hit by major surgery. I don't smoke, but the DH
> > does and he told the DH that when I have to have the spinal
> > fusion, even *he* has to quit smoking long beforehand, even
> > though he never smokes in the house or car.
>
>
> Interesting. I wonder why. The Widow Geraldine is having back
> surgery on Monday and she's a heavy smoker. I wonder if the doc
> told her to quit. Like it would carry any sway with her. :-/

Up here there are several Doctors (GPs) who won't treat people who
smoke. They insisted their patents quit and those that didn't needed to
find a new Doctor. I'm guessing these doctors are members of the
smoking Nazis. (Those people who refuse to give smokers even some
rights and persecute smokers to the max). I don't smoke anymore and
feel those that do smoke should have some rights.
--
No Bread Crumbs were hurt in the making of this Meal.
Type 2 Diabetic Since Aug 2004
1AC- 7.2, 7.3, 5.5, 5.6 mmol
Weight from 265 down to 219 lbs. and dropping.
Continuing to be Manitoban

On Sat 07 May 2005 06:26:16a, Melba's Jammin' wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> In article >, Terry Pulliam
> Burd > wrote:
>
>> On 4 May 2005 20:23:52 -0700, "Damsel in dis Dress"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > We have quit-smoking patches, but he won't quit until after his
>> > surgery.
>>
>> OMG, Dams...I have back surgery in my future (putting it off until I
>> can't stand the pain anymore) and my doc said smokers are the hardest
>> hit by major surgery. I don't smoke, but the DH does and he told the
>> DH that when I have to have the spinal fusion, even *he* has to quit
>> smoking long beforehand, even though he never smokes in the house or
>> car.
>
>
> Interesting. I wonder why. The Widow Geraldine is having back surgery
> on Monday and she's a heavy smoker. I wonder if the doc told her to
> quit. Like it would carry any sway with her. :-/

The issue of smoking before surgery was raised on a tv program just last
week. All of the doctors felt that surgical patients should stop smoking
at least 2 weeks prior to their procedure. The anesthesiologists explained
that smoking compromised the lungs' ability to recover from gas type
anesthetics and reduced the effective breathing capacity. They showed a
comparison of patients immediately after surgery as they were beginning to
breath again unassisted. The difference between smokers and non-smokers
was dramatic, with smokers literally gasping for a breath and coughing
enough to tear sutures.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

On Sat 07 May 2005 07:20:40a, Dog3 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Sat 07 May 2005 06:26:16a, Melba's Jammin' wrote in
>> rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> In article >, Terry
>>> Pulliam Burd > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4 May 2005 20:23:52 -0700, "Damsel in dis Dress"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> > We have quit-smoking patches, but he won't quit until after his
>>>> > surgery.
>>>>
>>>> OMG, Dams...I have back surgery in my future (putting it off until I
>>>> can't stand the pain anymore) and my doc said smokers are the
>>>> hardest hit by major surgery. I don't smoke, but the DH does and he
>>>> told the DH that when I have to have the spinal fusion, even *he*
>>>> has to quit smoking long beforehand, even though he never smokes in
>>>> the house or car.
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting. I wonder why. The Widow Geraldine is having back
>>> surgery on Monday and she's a heavy smoker. I wonder if the doc told
>>> her to quit. Like it would carry any sway with her. :-/
>>
>> The issue of smoking before surgery was raised on a tv program just
>> last week. All of the doctors felt that surgical patients should stop
>> smoking at least 2 weeks prior to their procedure. The
>> anesthesiologists explained that smoking compromised the lungs'
>> ability to recover from gas type anesthetics and reduced the effective
>> breathing capacity. They showed a comparison of patients immediately
>> after surgery as they were beginning to breath again unassisted. The
>> difference between smokers and non-smokers was dramatic, with smokers
>> literally gasping for a breath and coughing enough to tear sutures.
>>
>
> I can see how that would happen. In my case I was so relaxed and drugged
> up, I didn't cough or sneeze at all. I was my own worst enemy though.
> Apparently in my morphine induce haze, I kept trying to tear out the IV
> needles. Interestingly enough, I was told it was the feeding tube I went
> after the most. I wanted real food dammit <G>
>
> Michael
>

It's really hard to get those chunks of corned beef and barbecue down those
little tubes! :-)

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

On Sat, 07 May 2005 14:08:28 GMT, Monsur Fromage du Pollet
> wrote:
>
>Up here there are several Doctors (GPs) who won't treat people who
>smoke. They insisted their patents quit and those that didn't needed to
>find a new Doctor. I'm guessing these doctors are members of the
>smoking Nazis. (Those people who refuse to give smokers even some
>rights and persecute smokers to the max). I don't smoke anymore and
>feel those that do smoke should have some rights.

i think i want to change doctors (i'm in an h.m.o.) for just this
reason. he seems uninterested in treating me (for an unrelated
condition).

'are you still smoking?'

'yes.'

'why?'

well, yes, doctor, i still smoke and drink and sometimes beat my meat.
sorry if this means you can't be bothered with me. why are you still
an asshole?

your pal,
blake