That looks gorgeous, your kitchen! Can I come and live there?

Seriously, my husband and I designed our kitchen in our last house and
it was just terrific. Cherry wood cupboards and black granite benches.
Lots of specific storage cupboards and drawers and a slide out
German-made wire spice rack 6 ft high into a cupboard. The builder said
he wished every client knew what they wanted!
This current house has a large enough kitchen, but needs a little work.
We have replaced cooktop, oven, dishwasher, fridge. We have just
replaced the benchtop with a granite, not black but grey/white/brown to
match timber and flooring. Stainless steel around the cookhob and
splashback. So we are getting there slowly.

Cheers
Bronwyn
Qld, Oz

"Siobhan Perricone" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 09 May 2005 10:16:14 +0200, cathy > wrote:
>
>>I think a big part of enjoying cooking is having a well designed
>>kitchen. I was watching one of those Jamie Oliver cooking shows the
>>other day and was reminded of the shortcomings of my own kitchen. This
>>particular series is supposed to be filmed in his own kitchen. Whether
>>it is a set or indeed his own kitchen, I have seen a few things that I
>>would really like to have. For example, the entire working surface he
>>uses is actually a chopping board (how convenient). Plus he has some
>>sort of garbage disposal built in underneath it, so when he's peeling
>>veggies he just dumps the peels etc. immediately. Don't have to take
>>garbage to the sink, or whatever. What luxury, and what a good idea!
>>What do you think?
>
> We built our dream house last year, and moved in the end of November. So I
> got to design my perfect kitchen and pantry. My pantry is six foot by
> twelve foot and lined with shelves. I can't remember how wide my kitchen
> is, but it's twelve foot, as well (shares a wall with the pantry of
> course). I have a great pot rack over my cooktop (propane, Dacor, I love
> it) and a downdraft behind it that is alright so far (only been installed
> a
> few weeks, took forever to get parts). I have a double wall oven, the top
> oven is convection the other just a normal oven (can't recall what they
> call that right now). That's a Bosch oven. I have a wonderfully quite
> Bosch
> dishwasher. I have a TC Woods 20 cubic foot refridgerator that is ALL
> fridge. There is no freezer in it at all. Next to it I have a matching, 20
> cubic foot upright freezer, so it looks like we have a side by side, only
> huge.
>
> I have solid surface countertops (Corian), and custom maple cabinets with
> one section of my peninsula lowered for easier use by someone in a
> wheelchair. I have the piece of Corian that was the cutout for my double
> stainless steel sink on the counter as a cutting board (it's really big
> and
> heavy, and handy to have).
>
> Because I live in the country and I'm on a septic system, we don't have a
> garbage disposal. I'll probably start a compost pile this summer, and to
> dispose of organics I have a plastic tub with a very secure, easy to
> remove
> lid that I line with a small garbage bag and keep in the freezer. That's
> where leftover canned cat food and peelings go. When I'm cutting up
> veggies, I just get out the tub and set it next to my work space, dump the
> peelings in there, seal it up, and put it back in the freezer. This keeps
> my garbage from smelling up so we don't have to change it so often. We use
> less bags that way.
>
> My kitchen is really huge and I like it that way. I don't mind the walk
> between the "work triangle" and I love the space. I can have friends over
> to cook without us getting in each other's way.
>
>
<snip>Because I live in the country and I'm on a septic system, we don't
have a
garbage disposal.

We have a garbage disposal -- we are in the country, have well-water (500'
deep) and a septic system (and a propane tank).
I don't find much of a need for a garbage disposal, as I would rather
dispose of it myself to save overload on the septic tank. We take our trash
to the sanitary dump about a mile away, but use to recycle it for the
garden.
Dee

> cathy wrote:
>
> > I think a big part of enjoying cooking is having a well designed
> > kitchen. I was watching one of those Jamie Oliver cooking shows the
> > other day and was reminded of the shortcomings of my own kitchen. This
> > particular series is supposed to be filmed in his own kitchen. Whether
> > it is a set or indeed his own kitchen, I have seen a few things that I
> > would really like to have. For example, the entire working surface he
> > uses is actually a chopping board (how convenient). Plus he has some
> > sort of garbage disposal built in underneath it, so when he's peeling
> > veggies he just dumps the peels etc. immediately. Don't have to take
> > garbage to the sink, or whatever. What luxury, and what a good idea!
> > What do you think?
>

The kitchen in our house in the woods is great! It's large, large enough
for multiple cooks, large enough to have a big island. We have two
stainless steel sinks, both of which have a garbage disposal and a sink
spray. It's got LOTS of cupboard space, so much so that a year later we
still have empty drawers! Our lower cabinets are all "pull out", which
minimizes time spent looking for the perfect pot, and we have a large pantry
right in the kitchen. We built the layout such that one side of the kitchen
is the cook's, with the other side being for the person clearing the table
or doing the dishes. The island both keeps people OUT of the cook's way
and invites them to watch. Best perhaps are the three windows, all of
which look out on the green green green of the Cascades. It's a nice place
to be.

Kea

windriverfamily wrote:
>>cathy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I think a big part of enjoying cooking is having a well designed
>>>kitchen. I was watching one of those Jamie Oliver cooking shows the
>>>other day and was reminded of the shortcomings of my own kitchen. This
>>>particular series is supposed to be filmed in his own kitchen. Whether
>>>it is a set or indeed his own kitchen, I have seen a few things that I
>>>would really like to have. For example, the entire working surface he
>>>uses is actually a chopping board (how convenient). Plus he has some
>>>sort of garbage disposal built in underneath it, so when he's peeling
>>>veggies he just dumps the peels etc. immediately. Don't have to take
>>>garbage to the sink, or whatever. What luxury, and what a good idea!
>>>What do you think?
>>
>
> The kitchen in our house in the woods is great! It's large, large enough
> for multiple cooks, large enough to have a big island. We have two
> stainless steel sinks, both of which have a garbage disposal and a sink
> spray. It's got LOTS of cupboard space, so much so that a year later we
> still have empty drawers! Our lower cabinets are all "pull out", which
> minimizes time spent looking for the perfect pot, and we have a large pantry
> right in the kitchen. We built the layout such that one side of the kitchen
> is the cook's, with the other side being for the person clearing the table
> or doing the dishes. The island both keeps people OUT of the cook's way
> and invites them to watch. Best perhaps are the three windows, all of
> which look out on the green green green of the Cascades. It's a nice place
> to be.
>
> Kea
>
>
Sigh! Jealousy is....

On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:06:59 -0400, "Dee Randall" >
wrote:

><snip>Because I live in the country and I'm on a septic system, we don't
>have a
>garbage disposal.
>
>We have a garbage disposal -- we are in the country, have well-water (500'
>deep) and a septic system (and a propane tank).
>I don't find much of a need for a garbage disposal, as I would rather
>dispose of it myself to save overload on the septic tank. We take our trash
>to the sanitary dump about a mile away, but use to recycle it for the
>garden.

I called around to plumbers, talked to my builder, talked to some of the
waste management people I work with, and got pretty much the same response.
Plumbers refused to install one for us, my builder would have installed it
but made a point of telling me that he thought it was a bad idea. Waste
management engineer/coworker said it would put too much stress on our
septic system. It may make a difference that we have a pump that takes the
outflow up a hill to the leach field.

In any case, everyone was horrified at the idea of a garbage disposal with
a septic system (no one said it was related to our individual system), and
in the end the way we're doing it is working out so we're living with it.

*shrug* Maybe Vermont has different guidelines or something??

--
Siobhan Perricone
"I ain't afraid of your Yahweh
I ain't afraid of your Allah
I ain't afraid of your Jesus
I'm afraid of what ya do in the name of your god"
- Holly Near

Siobhan Perricone > wrote:

>septic system. It may make a difference that we have a pump that takes the
>outflow up a hill to the leach field.
>

OK, I see what you're saying now. If it's a traditional (non-aerator
type) system, you probably shouldn't use a GD, I guess. And just
think of all that motivation to get a compost pile going <G>.

--
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At least now I have an excuse.

On Tue 10 May 2005 02:48:28p, Siobhan Perricone wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:06:59 -0400, "Dee Randall" >
> wrote:
>
>><snip>Because I live in the country and I'm on a septic system, we don't
>>have a
>>garbage disposal.
>>
>>We have a garbage disposal -- we are in the country, have well-water
>>(500' deep) and a septic system (and a propane tank).
>>I don't find much of a need for a garbage disposal, as I would rather
>>dispose of it myself to save overload on the septic tank. We take our
>>trash to the sanitary dump about a mile away, but use to recycle it for
>>the garden.
>
> I called around to plumbers, talked to my builder, talked to some of the
> waste management people I work with, and got pretty much the same
> response. Plumbers refused to install one for us, my builder would have
> installed it but made a point of telling me that he thought it was a bad
> idea. Waste management engineer/coworker said it would put too much
> stress on our septic system. It may make a difference that we have a
> pump that takes the outflow up a hill to the leach field.
>
> In any case, everyone was horrified at the idea of a garbage disposal
> with a septic system (no one said it was related to our individual
> system), and in the end the way we're doing it is working out so we're
> living with it.
>
> *shrug* Maybe Vermont has different guidelines or something??

Sometime within the last couple of years I read about a garbage disposal
that was designed specifically for use with a septic system. The unit
injected something into the drain when it was grinding waste. Sorry, but I
can't remember the mfg.

--
Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

On Tue 10 May 2005 02:48:28p, Siobhan Perricone wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:06:59 -0400, "Dee Randall" >
> wrote:
>
>><snip>Because I live in the country and I'm on a septic system, we don't
>>have a
>>garbage disposal.
>>
>>We have a garbage disposal -- we are in the country, have well-water
>>(500' deep) and a septic system (and a propane tank).
>>I don't find much of a need for a garbage disposal, as I would rather
>>dispose of it myself to save overload on the septic tank. We take our
>>trash to the sanitary dump about a mile away, but use to recycle it for
>>the garden.
>
> I called around to plumbers, talked to my builder, talked to some of the
> waste management people I work with, and got pretty much the same
> response. Plumbers refused to install one for us, my builder would have
> installed it but made a point of telling me that he thought it was a bad
> idea. Waste management engineer/coworker said it would put too much
> stress on our septic system. It may make a difference that we have a
> pump that takes the outflow up a hill to the leach field.
>
> In any case, everyone was horrified at the idea of a garbage disposal
> with a septic system (no one said it was related to our individual
> system), and in the end the way we're doing it is working out so we're
> living with it.
>
> *shrug* Maybe Vermont has different guidelines or something??

Well, I found it... http://www.insinkerator.com/bio.html

"Every time you activate your In-Sink-Erator® Septic Disposer, Bio-Charge®
treatment is automatically injected into the grind chamber. More than 300
million microorganisms start to digest food waste instantly — even before
waste reaches the septic tank.

Inside the tank, this digesting action accelerates — breaking down food and
household waste, including toilet paper. This reduces scum and sludge, and
helps to keep drain lines clear. Ordinary disposers can’t do this — because
only In-Sink-Erator®´s Septic Disposer features injection technology with
Bio-Charge® treatment.

Bio-Charge® is a fresh, citrus-scented solution that helps control odors
from the sink and drain. It also helps break down the soap and grease film
that accumulates in drain pipes. Daily additions of Bio-Charge® maintain
ideal levels of bio-activity and help your septic system work the way it’s
supposed to.

Each Bio-Charge® cartridge equals 4 bottles of other septic treatments.
Cartridges last 3 to 4 months with average use, and are easy to replace."



--
Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Tue 10 May 2005 02:48:28p, Siobhan Perricone wrote in
rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:06:59 -0400, "Dee Randall"
>
> > wrote:
> >
> >><snip>Because I live in the country and I'm on a septic system, we
don't
> >>have a
> >>garbage disposal.
> >>
> >>We have a garbage disposal -- we are in the country, have
well-water
> >>(500' deep) and a septic system (and a propane tank).
> >>I don't find much of a need for a garbage disposal, as I would
rather
> >>dispose of it myself to save overload on the septic tank. We take
our
> >>trash to the sanitary dump about a mile away, but use to recycle it
for
> >>the garden.
> >
> > I called around to plumbers, talked to my builder, talked to some
of the
> > waste management people I work with, and got pretty much the same
> > response. Plumbers refused to install one for us, my builder would
have
> > installed it but made a point of telling me that he thought it was
a bad
> > idea. Waste management engineer/coworker said it would put too much
> > stress on our septic system. It may make a difference that we have
a
> > pump that takes the outflow up a hill to the leach field.
> >
> > In any case, everyone was horrified at the idea of a garbage
disposal
> > with a septic system (no one said it was related to our individual
> > system), and in the end the way we're doing it is working out so
we're
> > living with it.
> >
> > *shrug* Maybe Vermont has different guidelines or something??
>
> Well, I found it... http://www.insinkerator.com/bio.html
>
> "Every time you activate your In-Sink-Erator=AE Septic Disposer,
Bio-Charge=AE
> treatment is automatically injected into the grind chamber. More than
300
> million microorganisms start to digest food waste instantly - even
before
> waste reaches the septic tank.
>
> Inside the tank, this digesting action accelerates - breaking down
food and
> household waste, including toilet paper. This reduces scum and
sludge, and
> helps to keep drain lines clear. Ordinary disposers can't do this
- because
> only In-Sink-Erator=AE=B4s Septic Disposer features injection
technology with
> Bio-Charge=AE treatment.
>
> Bio-Charge=AE is a fresh, citrus-scented solution that helps control
odors
> from the sink and drain. It also helps break down the soap and grease
film
> that accumulates in drain pipes. Daily additions of Bio-Charge=AE
maintain
> ideal levels of bio-activity and help your septic system work the way
it's
> supposed to.
>
> Each Bio-Charge=AE cartridge equals 4 bottles of other septic
treatments.
> Cartridges last 3 to 4 months with average use, and are easy to
replace."

All dumb-ass hype to sell insinkeraters to the uninformed. Garbage
disposals, any type, would encourage adding many, many, many more times
the normal solid waste to septic systems. Does insinkerater come with
the guarantee that they promise to pay for pump outs, of course not
Anyone with a septic system who uses a garbage disposal is a moron. In
fact many municipalities with public sewer systems do not permit
garbage disposals because they over burdon the sewer treatment plant.

Sheldon

What I like best about my kitchen is...That's where the the food is.



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Dee Randall wrote:
> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article .com>,
>> "Sheldon" > wrote:
>>
>>> In fact no one whose posts I've read so far to this thread who has
>>> bragged about their 'designed' kitchen has mentioned having a
>>> pantry.
>> Funny you mention the pantry, Sheldon. I have a pantry cabinet
>> wherein I store my "dry stuff", mostly in glass jars. It also holds
>> the big
>> KA, the booze supply, the foil and plastic wraps. I do like that
>> cabinet. A lot. But what I "like best about my kitchen" are the
>> sliding shelves and the bottom freezer.
>> --
>> -Barb, <http://www.jamlady.eboard.com> 5/8/05.
>> "Are we going to measure, or are we going to cook?" -Food Critic Mimi
>> Sheraton
>
> My kitchen would have to be pretty big to hold my 'pantry staples.' I
> think of a pantry as being a 'room,' not a closet nor cabinet.
> Perhaps most ideally a room off the kitchen.
(snippage)
> Dee

When I lived in midtown Memphis I had a "butler's pantry". The building was
circa 1920. The pantry was not adjoining the kitchen but rather on the
other side of the dining room which was off the kitchen. It was a walk-in
room, with shelving on each side, tons of storage space (in addition to the
cabinetry in the kitchen). Also had a little door to the hallway where,
back in the day, the milkman would shove the daily or weekly order of milk,
butter and other dairy products through. I loved that apartment!

I have a decent sized pantry in my current place but there is very little
room in the kitchen. The entire design doesn't make a lot of sense. But
then, this place was designed for "singles" who were more into partying
around 1980 and less into cooking.

Jill

Monsur Fromage du Pollet wrote:

>What I like best about my kitchen is...That's where the the food is.
>
>
>
>
>
LOL!! Best one I've read!

Bubba

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"Sheldon" > wrote:

>All dumb-ass hype to sell insinkeraters to the uninformed. Garbage
>disposals, any type, would encourage adding many, many, many more times
>the normal solid waste to septic systems. Does insinkerater come with
>the guarantee that they promise to pay for pump outs, of course not
>Anyone with a septic system who uses a garbage disposal is a moron. In
>fact many municipalities with public sewer systems do not permit
>garbage disposals because they over burdon the sewer treatment plant.
>
>Sheldon
>
OTOH, Sheldon, pump-outs are only $180 or so, even with digging up the
third door on my system. At least here, that's how much they cost.
They're cheap enough that I have it done about every 3 years instead
of every 5, like they recommend. And my sewage system is my
responsibility, not the gub'ments. So if I screw it up, it's my
problem. I wouldn't tell anyone else to take the chance though,
you're right about that.

--
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At least now I have an excuse.

"AlleyGator" > wrote in message
...
> "Sheldon" > wrote:
>
>>All dumb-ass hype to sell insinkeraters to the uninformed. Garbage
>>disposals, any type, would encourage adding many, many, many more times
>>the normal solid waste to septic systems. Does insinkerater come with
>>the guarantee that they promise to pay for pump outs, of course not
>>Anyone with a septic system who uses a garbage disposal is a moron. In
>>fact many municipalities with public sewer systems do not permit
>>garbage disposals because they over burdon the sewer treatment plant.
>>
>>Sheldon
>>
> OTOH, Sheldon, pump-outs are only $180 or so, even with digging up the
> third door on my system. At least here, that's how much they cost.
> They're cheap enough that I have it done about every 3 years instead
> of every 5, like they recommend. And my sewage system is my
> responsibility, not the gub'ments. So if I screw it up, it's my
> problem. I wouldn't tell anyone else to take the chance though,
> you're right about that.
>

Where do you live? Ours is $325 to take out, and $100 to dump! 1500
gallons.
We don't do it as often.
Shenendoah Valley, VA
Dee

"Dee Randall" > wrote:


>Where do you live? Ours is $325 to take out, and $100 to dump! 1500
>gallons.
>We don't do it as often.
>Shenendoah Valley, VA
>Dee
>
>
Holy cow, Dee, that's insane. I'm in central Illinois. Lord, I feel
sorry for you. That's absolutely outrageous.

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"AlleyGator" > wrote in message
...
> "Dee Randall" > wrote:
>
>
>>Where do you live? Ours is $325 to take out, and $100 to dump! 1500
>>gallons.
>>We don't do it as often.
>>Shenendoah Valley, VA
>>Dee
>>
>>
> Holy cow, Dee, that's insane. I'm in central Illinois. Lord, I feel
> sorry for you. That's absolutely outrageous.
>
Yep, we're in the land of the 'good ole' boys.'
Dee

On Mon, 9 May 2005 09:47:19 -0400, "FREECYCLE MOM"
> wrote:

>
>"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
>> In response to OP:
>>
>> The pull-out shelves for the pots and pans; my Amana fridge with the
>> bottom freezer unit.
>
>When I designed the kitchen we are in, instead of bottom cupboards I
>have 13 huge pot drawers. The only cupboards are under the sink and
>stove.
>
Pot drawers are wonderful! When my mother redid our kitchen last year
she took out all the cupboards in the bottom and put drawers into them
instead. It's so much easier to find things! I miss them... this
!#@$%^%#@! apartment kitchen doesn't have any drawers at all and it
drives me nuts! There are two skinny little cutlery drawers (too small
to even put a cutlery sorter in without cutting it down) and that's
it!

--
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Crafts, cats, and chocolate - the three essentials of life
http://www.kajikitscorner.com

AlleyGator > wrote:

> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
> >Alley, you do realize don't you IT is an idiot savant, only capable of
> >communicating in filthy insulting rants, or by pasting in what IT can find
> >from other sources. IT's also like an old dog with a bone...IT cant/won't
> >let go.
>
> I don't know Wayne. For some reason, no matter what Sheldon says or
> does, I like the guy. Call it a weakness.

It's a weakness. It reminds me of abused people who like their abusers.

serene, with no strong opinions or anything
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