This came out better than I anticipated.
I went to the Mexican market in Austin today and nabbed 3 one lb.
packages of chicken feet.

Placed 1 lb. of chicken feet into the pressure cooker on top of a
steamer insert and sprinkled them liberally with salt free lemon pepper
and garlic powder, then added a dash of white pepper powder. Added 12
large dried Shitake mushrooms then added enough water to cover them.

I put the other 2 lbs. away in the freezer for later.
_Nothing_ makes a richer chicken stock/broth than feet!

Brought up to pressure then turned to low (#2 setting on my glass top
stove) and pressured for 45 minutes.

Turned it off and let the pressure come down, then removed the mushrooms
to one bowl to cool and the chicken feet to a separate bowl to enjoy
later in private. <G>

I use the steamer insert to make it easier to catch any bones that I may
have missed. This created a beautiful dark colored, richly flavored
chicken and shitake mushroom broth.

Once the mushrooms had cooled, I removed the stems (discard the stems,
they are way too tough to do _anything_ with) then sliced the mushrooms
thin.

Took one large purple onion and chopped it up. I put the onion and
sliced mushrooms into the cast iron skillet with EVOO and butter, and
just a dash of sesame oil. Sauteed and added more lemon pepper, garlic
powder, fresh grated ginger and a teensy bit of soy sauce. At one point,
I added one cup of the prepared broth to the pan, covered and let cook
for a bit since some of the mushrooms really had not hydrated enough yet.

Note, feel free to use 2 to 3 grated or minced cloves of fresh garlic in
place of the garlic powder. I personally have problems with fresh garlic
so no longer use it even tho' I really do like it.

Once the onions were clear, I added that mess back to the broth in the
pressure cooker, brought up to a boil and added 6 sheets of thinly
sliced Nori. I usually just cut Nori with a pair of scissors.

Once it was boiling well, I slowly stirred in 1 dozen well whipped fresh
eggs to make an "egg drop" effect.

I did not eat much of the soup even tho' it was fabulous. I retired to
my bedroom with a small bone bowl and ate the chicken feet with a little
salt. <G>

Dad cannot handle that so I eat them in private...
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Sprout the MungBean to reply

"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you
see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

Prepare your dad some bean splither, he sounds like the type who'd like
that

Katra wrote:
> This came out better than I anticipated.
> I went to the Mexican market in Austin today and nabbed 3 one lb.
> packages of chicken feet.
>
> Placed 1 lb. of chicken feet into the pressure cooker on top of a
> steamer insert and sprinkled them liberally with salt free lemon pepper
> and garlic powder, then added a dash of white pepper powder. Added 12
> large dried Shitake mushrooms then added enough water to cover them.
>
> I put the other 2 lbs. away in the freezer for later.
> _Nothing_ makes a richer chicken stock/broth than feet!

<snip>

All that fecal matter, perhaps?

Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get past
the psychology of eating the feet of something.

-L.

"-L." > said:

>Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get past
>the psychology of eating the feet of something.

They look like baby alien hands.

Carol

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Damsel wrote:
> "-L." > said:
>
> >Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get past
> >the psychology of eating the feet of something.
>
> They look like baby alien hands.
>
> Carol

Ok, now I'm gonna have some wicked-ass dreams!

-L.

"-L." > said:

>Damsel wrote:
>> "-L." > said:
>>
>> >Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get past
>> >the psychology of eating the feet of something.
>>
>> They look like baby alien hands.
>
>Ok, now I'm gonna have some wicked-ass dreams!

I have that effect on people.

Carol

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"Damsel" > wrote in message
...
> "-L." > said:
>
>>Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get past
>>the psychology of eating the feet of something.
>
> They look like baby alien hands.
>
> Carol
>
> ===========

True but they don't taste like alien hands...

Cyndi - who *knows*

"-L." > wrote in message
oups.com...

> Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get past
> the psychology of eating the feet of something.

This seems like the moment to mention a bowl of feijoada (sp?) in which my
daughter swears she found a pig's foot WITH TOENAILS!

Felice

In article .com>,
wrote:

> Prepare your dad some bean splither, he sounds like the type who'd like
> that
>

Bean splither?

I'll have to google that. ;-)
--
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Sprout the MungBean to reply

"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you
see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

In article .com>,
"-L." > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
> > This came out better than I anticipated.
> > I went to the Mexican market in Austin today and nabbed 3 one lb.
> > packages of chicken feet.
> >
> > Placed 1 lb. of chicken feet into the pressure cooker on top of a
> > steamer insert and sprinkled them liberally with salt free lemon pepper
> > and garlic powder, then added a dash of white pepper powder. Added 12
> > large dried Shitake mushrooms then added enough water to cover them.
> >
> > I put the other 2 lbs. away in the freezer for later.
> > _Nothing_ makes a richer chicken stock/broth than feet!
>
> <snip>
>
> All that fecal matter, perhaps?
>
> Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get past
> the psychology of eating the feet of something.
>
> -L.
>

<grins> Chicken feet are cleaned and skinned. :-)
No fecal matter in my soup!

I know some folks can't handle chicken feet, but it's amazing what you
learn to eat in early childhood... My mom taught me to eat chicken feet
so they hold a lot of good memories.

And they are FAR superior to trotters in flavor and texture.
--
K.

Sprout the MungBean to reply

"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you
see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

In article >,
Damsel > wrote:

> "-L." > said:
>
> >Damsel wrote:
> >> "-L." > said:
> >>
> >> >Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get past
> >> >the psychology of eating the feet of something.
> >>
> >> They look like baby alien hands.
> >
> >Ok, now I'm gonna have some wicked-ass dreams!
>
> I have that effect on people.
>
> Carol

Damn! Too bad I went to bed so early last night.
This could have gotten really fun!
--
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Sprout the MungBean to reply

"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell--you
see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

"Rick & Cyndi" > said:

>"Damsel" > wrote in message
.. .
>> "-L." > said:
>>
>>>Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get past
>>>the psychology of eating the feet of something.
>>
>> They look like baby alien hands.
>>
>> ===========
>
>True but they don't taste like alien hands...
>
>Cyndi - who *knows*

I know you know. And I'm still horrified.

Carol

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Katra > said:

>In article >,
> Damsel > wrote:
>
>> "-L." > said:
>>
>> >Damsel wrote:
>> >> "-L." > said:
>> >>
>> >> >Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get past
>> >> >the psychology of eating the feet of something.
>> >>
>> >> They look like baby alien hands.
>> >
>> >Ok, now I'm gonna have some wicked-ass dreams!
>>
>> I have that effect on people.
>
>Damn! Too bad I went to bed so early last night.
>This could have gotten really fun!

It's never too late, Katra!

Carol

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In article >,
Damsel > wrote:

> Katra > said:
>
> >In article >,
> > Damsel > wrote:
> >
> >> "-L." > said:
> >>
> >> >Damsel wrote:
> >> >> "-L." > said:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get past
> >> >> >the psychology of eating the feet of something.
> >> >>
> >> >> They look like baby alien hands.
> >> >
> >> >Ok, now I'm gonna have some wicked-ass dreams!
> >>
> >> I have that effect on people.
> >
> >Damn! Too bad I went to bed so early last night.
> >This could have gotten really fun!
>
> It's never too late, Katra!
>
> Carol

But now I'm not sleepy enough to be creative. ;-)

So, what did y'all think of the rest of the soup recipe?

I made it up as I went along... Now that I'm getting used to using dried
shitake's, I'll probably be using them a lot more! They are delicious
and about 1/5th the price of fresh ones. Much better than canned
mushrooms too, altho' I've never seen canned shitake's.

Tonight I'm doing a garlic stab pot roast on a small pork butt with
veggies. Yams, carrots, onions, mushrooms, celery and maybe some bok
choy. I'll stuff fresh garlic slivers into the stabs in the roast and
top with fresh herbs again. It's my favorite way to do fresh pork.

I'll be making some pickled eggs with beet juice this afternoon as well
so will probably throw the canned beet slices into the veggie mix. I'm
not personally very fond of beets, but dad loves them and has requested
I add them. :-) He'll get them all to himself! <lol>

He's off to the store to get the yams and a few other things, along with
some claussen pickles. I'll use the pickle juice mixed with canned beet
juice to do the eggs. I need to get out to the kitchen and get cooking
as it's getting rather late. I've been seriously sleep deprived for the
past month so slept for nearly 14 hours. :-P Midnight last night 'till 2
pm today. I hate wasting that time but I guess I needed it.

5 mg. of Melatonin really did it's thing!
--
K.

Sprout the MungBean to reply

"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell--you
see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

Damsel wrote:
>
> "Rick & Cyndi" > said:
>
> >"Damsel" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> "-L." > said:
> >>
> >>>Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get past
> >>>the psychology of eating the feet of something.
> >>
> >> They look like baby alien hands.
> >>
> >> ===========
> >
> >True but they don't taste like alien hands...
> >
> >Cyndi - who *knows*
>
> I know you know. And I'm still horrified.
>
> Carol
>

Yeah, but at least Cyndi's looked normal. The one I pulled out of the
pile was giving me the finger, till I bit it.

Boli

In article >, Bolivar >
wrote:

> Damsel wrote:
> >
> > "Rick & Cyndi" > said:
> >
> > >"Damsel" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> > >> "-L." > said:
> > >>
> > >>>Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get past
> > >>>the psychology of eating the feet of something.
> > >>
> > >> They look like baby alien hands.
> > >>
> > >> ===========
> > >
> > >True but they don't taste like alien hands...
> > >
> > >Cyndi - who *knows*
> >
> > I know you know. And I'm still horrified.
> >
> > Carol
> >
>
> Yeah, but at least Cyndi's looked normal. The one I pulled out of the
> pile was giving me the finger, till I bit it.
>
> Boli

Ah. Good. So I'm _not_ the only one on the list that appreciates chicken
feet! ;-d
--
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Sprout the MungBean to reply

"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell--you
see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

Bolivar > said:

>Damsel wrote:
>>
>> "Rick & Cyndi" > said:
>>
>> >"Damsel" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>> >> "-L." > said:
>> >>
>> >>>Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get past
>> >>>the psychology of eating the feet of something.
>> >>
>> >> They look like baby alien hands.
>> >>
>> >> ===========
>> >
>> >True but they don't taste like alien hands...
>> >
>> >Cyndi - who *knows*
>>
>> I know you know. And I'm still horrified.
>
>Yeah, but at least Cyndi's looked normal. The one I pulled out of the
>pile was giving me the finger, till I bit it.

Yeah, you showed me! I was so glad it was just past twilight when the baby
alien hands were served (2003 cook-in). It was bad enough looking at them
in the dark. LOL!

Carol

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"Damsel" > wrote in message
...
> Bolivar > said:
>
>>Damsel wrote:
>>>
>>> "Rick & Cyndi" > said:
>>>
>>> >"Damsel" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>> >> "-L." > said:
>>> >>
>>> >>>Seriously, I'm with Papa. No feets in my soup! I just can't get
>>> >>>past
>>> >>>the psychology of eating the feet of something.
>>> >>
>>> >> They look like baby alien hands.
>>> >>
>>> >> ===========
>>> >
>>> >True but they don't taste like alien hands...
>>> >
>>> >Cyndi - who *knows*
>>>
>>> I know you know. And I'm still horrified.
>>
>>Yeah, but at least Cyndi's looked normal. The one I pulled out of the
>>pile was giving me the finger, till I bit it.
>
> Yeah, you showed me! I was so glad it was just past twilight when the
> baby
> alien hands were served (2003 cook-in). It was bad enough looking at them
> in the dark. LOL!
>
> Carol
>
==========

But a good time was had by all! My memories from it are still so vivid that
it's had to believe it was two years ago; meaning, it seems like it was only
last month... sucks to be getting old, ya know.

Cyndi

Bean splither?

I'll have to google that. ;-)


OH you haven't heard of bean splither? I learned about it from Aunt
Murtha and the Master Chef

In article .com>,
wrote:

> Bean splither?
>
> I'll have to google that. ;-)
>
>
> OH you haven't heard of bean splither? I learned about it from Aunt
> Murtha and the Master Chef
>

Well...
here was the ONLY reference that came up on Google!
It's odd to only get one hit:

http://www.theshrubbery.com/0798/poetry0798.html

Sounds vile. ;-P
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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

"Katra" > wrote in message
...

> so slept for nearly 14 hours. :-P Midnight last night 'till 2
> pm today.

Bah, ya swine - me, ~6 hours in 3 days, such a MESS yesterday, had to turn
back part way to work, shaking, aching, arggghhh - I was in tears!!! Got
some OTC stuff from the chemists (diphenhydramine) that helped me get around
4 hours last night, but I am still so bloody wiped out, stiff neck from not
having the energy to hole my head up right...

One good thing from the w/e though - the osteopath on Saturday was
brilliant - he found two locked vertebrae right near the bottom of my back
(where most of the trouble has been), freed them up and I felt so good
walking to the bus after I was swing off lamp posts - I'd forgotten what it
*should* feel like! I got hip and arse movement back again LOL!

He found one rotated vertebra too, further up (may be related to the other
prob.), managed to get it a bit better, but I have to go back next
Wednesday. Oh, since then I've found another rotated one in my neck, which
he'll hopefully be able to start working on too. He was a great guy to chat
with, understood everything I explained to him, his logic flowed the same as
mine (he agreed with me LOL!) - just an all round good experience! Just
concerned with how many times I'm gonna have to come up with the cash to get
this sorted now - it ain't cheap, and I'm skint too. What price health
though eh?


Shaun aRe
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In article s.net>,
"Shaun aRe" > wrote:

> "Katra" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > so slept for nearly 14 hours. :-P Midnight last night 'till 2
> > pm today.
>
> Bah, ya swine - me, ~6 hours in 3 days, such a MESS yesterday, had to turn
> back part way to work, shaking, aching, arggghhh - I was in tears!!! Got
> some OTC stuff from the chemists (diphenhydramine) that helped me get around
> 4 hours last night, but I am still so bloody wiped out, stiff neck from not
> having the energy to hole my head up right...

Actually only slept for about 12 hours straight...
The last two hours was napping. ;-)

I must confess tho' that part of that was Amphetamine withdrawl. That
WILL make you sleep! I don't take my Adderall on my days off.
Withdrawing from it has a hell of a rebound. That's the main reason I
DON'T take it when I'm not working.

It has it's pro's and con's!

If you want a good OTC sleep aid, try Dramamine (Meclazine). Knocks me
on my tail! I can't even drive if I use it for nausea.....

>
> One good thing from the w/e though - the osteopath on Saturday was
> brilliant - he found two locked vertebrae right near the bottom of my back
> (where most of the trouble has been), freed them up and I felt so good
> walking to the bus after I was swing off lamp posts - I'd forgotten what it
> *should* feel like! I got hip and arse movement back again LOL!

That's nice!
Are they similar to a chiropractor?

>
> He found one rotated vertebra too, further up (may be related to the other
> prob.), managed to get it a bit better, but I have to go back next
> Wednesday. Oh, since then I've found another rotated one in my neck, which
> he'll hopefully be able to start working on too. He was a great guy to chat
> with, understood everything I explained to him, his logic flowed the same as
> mine (he agreed with me LOL!) - just an all round good experience! Just
> concerned with how many times I'm gonna have to come up with the cash to get
> this sorted now - it ain't cheap, and I'm skint too. What price health
> though eh?

I know the feeling. ;-P
This last fight with weight loss has not been cheap, even with insurance.

But at least it's working. :-) Finally broke that damned plateu I've
been stuck on for the past months or so!

>
>
> Shaun aRe
> --
> http://www.pixparty.com/shaunare/gallery.asp.
>
>
>
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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

"Katra" > wrote in message
...
> In article s.net>,
> "Shaun aRe" > wrote:
>
> > "Katra" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > > so slept for nearly 14 hours. :-P Midnight last night 'till 2
> > > pm today.
> >
> > Bah, ya swine - me, ~6 hours in 3 days, such a MESS yesterday, had to
turn
> > back part way to work, shaking, aching, arggghhh - I was in tears!!! Got
> > some OTC stuff from the chemists (diphenhydramine) that helped me get
around
> > 4 hours last night, but I am still so bloody wiped out, stiff neck from
not
> > having the energy to hole my head up right...
>
> Actually only slept for about 12 hours straight...
> The last two hours was napping. ;-)
>
> I must confess tho' that part of that was Amphetamine withdrawl. That
> WILL make you sleep! I don't take my Adderall on my days off.
> Withdrawing from it has a hell of a rebound. That's the main reason I
> DON'T take it when I'm not working.
>
> It has it's pro's and con's!
>
> If you want a good OTC sleep aid, try Dramamine (Meclazine). Knocks me
> on my tail! I can't even drive if I use it for nausea.....
>
> >
> > One good thing from the w/e though - the osteopath on Saturday was
> > brilliant - he found two locked vertebrae right near the bottom of my
back
> > (where most of the trouble has been), freed them up and I felt so good
> > walking to the bus after I was swing off lamp posts - I'd forgotten what
it
> > *should* feel like! I got hip and arse movement back again LOL!
>
> That's nice!
> Are they similar to a chiropractor?
>
> >
> > He found one rotated vertebra too, further up (may be related to the
other
> > prob.), managed to get it a bit better, but I have to go back next
> > Wednesday. Oh, since then I've found another rotated one in my neck,
which
> > he'll hopefully be able to start working on too. He was a great guy to
chat
> > with, understood everything I explained to him, his logic flowed the
same as
> > mine (he agreed with me LOL!) - just an all round good experience! Just
> > concerned with how many times I'm gonna have to come up with the cash to
get
> > this sorted now - it ain't cheap, and I'm skint too. What price health
> > though eh?
>
> I know the feeling. ;-P
> This last fight with weight loss has not been cheap, even with insurance.
>
> But at least it's working. :-) Finally broke that damned plateu I've
> been stuck on for the past months or so!
>
> >
> >
> > Shaun aRe
> > --
> > http://www.pixparty.com/shaunare/gallery.asp.
> >
> >
> >
> --
> K.
>
> Sprout the MungBean to reply
>
> "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell > see, I have friends
in both places." --Mark Twain

"Katra" > wrote in message
...
> In article s.net>,
> "Shaun aRe" > wrote:
>
> > "Katra" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > > so slept for nearly 14 hours. :-P Midnight last night 'till 2
> > > pm today.
> >
> > Bah, ya swine - me, ~6 hours in 3 days, such a MESS yesterday, had to
turn
> > back part way to work, shaking, aching, arggghhh - I was in tears!!! Got
> > some OTC stuff from the chemists (diphenhydramine) that helped me get
around
> > 4 hours last night, but I am still so bloody wiped out, stiff neck from
not
> > having the energy to hole my head up right...
>
> Actually only slept for about 12 hours straight...

Oh fcough!

> The last two hours was napping. ;-)

NAPPING?!? NAPPING?!? I couldn't even *relax* in the slightest all the while
I was tired as hell - that's what makes it worse than just lack of sleep
when I get like this - I don't sleep, but I stay totally wired with brain
full-on in the mean time, so I get totally, utterly, mentally worn out, but
STILL cannot get any sleep. Only thing is to knock myself out a couple
nights on the run to flip that nasty old switch back into the right
position. Sometimes, I've had to take 4 times the prescribed pills to achive
THAT FFS...

> I must confess tho' that part of that was Amphetamine withdrawl. That
> WILL make you sleep! I don't take my Adderall on my days off.
> Withdrawing from it has a hell of a rebound. That's the main reason I
> DON'T take it when I'm not working.
>
> It has it's pro's and con's!

Yup - like anything. Glad you are being sensible and careful with it ',;~}~

> If you want a good OTC sleep aid, try Dramamine (Meclazine). Knocks me
> on my tail! I can't even drive if I use it for nausea.....

I thought Dramamine was diphenhydramine (antihystamine with sedative action)
HCL, like what I had? (Google says 'yup'?!?) The stuff works, some, but
while I'm laid down I feel quite awake on it, stand up and the world,
starting with my knees, turns tpo jelly though! made going for a **** last
night quite a job I can tell ya...

> > One good thing from the w/e though - the osteopath on Saturday was
> > brilliant - he found two locked vertebrae right near the bottom of my
back
> > (where most of the trouble has been), freed them up and I felt so good
> > walking to the bus after I was swing off lamp posts - I'd forgotten what
it
> > *should* feel like! I got hip and arse movement back again LOL!
>
> That's nice!
> Are they similar to a chiropractor?

Quite, yes. Often they'll use accupuncture as part of the treatment too, but
not on me, least yet...

> > He found one rotated vertebra too, further up (may be related to the
other
> > prob.), managed to get it a bit better, but I have to go back next
> > Wednesday. Oh, since then I've found another rotated one in my neck,
which
> > he'll hopefully be able to start working on too. He was a great guy to
chat
> > with, understood everything I explained to him, his logic flowed the
same as
> > mine (he agreed with me LOL!) - just an all round good experience! Just
> > concerned with how many times I'm gonna have to come up with the cash to
get
> > this sorted now - it ain't cheap, and I'm skint too. What price health
> > though eh?
>
> I know the feeling. ;-P
> This last fight with weight loss has not been cheap, even with insurance.
>
> But at least it's working. :-) Finally broke that damned plateu I've
> been stuck on for the past months or so!

Just read that and commented - great stuff kat - really pleased for you!

BTW - you checked out my galleries yet (link below)? I uploaded some pics of
the polytunnel for you to check out ',;~}~

Shaun aRe
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In article ws.net>,
"Shaun aRe" > wrote:

> "Katra" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article s.net>,
> > "Shaun aRe" > wrote:
> >
> > > "Katra" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > so slept for nearly 14 hours. :-P Midnight last night 'till 2
> > > > pm today.
> > >
> > > Bah, ya swine - me, ~6 hours in 3 days, such a MESS yesterday, had to
> turn
> > > back part way to work, shaking, aching, arggghhh - I was in tears!!! Got
> > > some OTC stuff from the chemists (diphenhydramine) that helped me get
> around
> > > 4 hours last night, but I am still so bloody wiped out, stiff neck from
> not
> > > having the energy to hole my head up right...
> >
> > Actually only slept for about 12 hours straight...
>
> Oh fcough!
>
> > The last two hours was napping. ;-)
>
> NAPPING?!? NAPPING?!? I couldn't even *relax* in the slightest all the while
> I was tired as hell - that's what makes it worse than just lack of sleep
> when I get like this - I don't sleep, but I stay totally wired with brain
> full-on in the mean time, so I get totally, utterly, mentally worn out, but
> STILL cannot get any sleep. Only thing is to knock myself out a couple
> nights on the run to flip that nasty old switch back into the right
> position. Sometimes, I've had to take 4 times the prescribed pills to achive
> THAT FFS...

<grins> It's not been normal in the past.
Normally during the week I can only sleep 6 hours max...
It's on my days off when I quit taking the prescription
that I can sleep for years...

To me, it's a bit of a waste of time, but I guess I need it.

:-P

>
> > I must confess tho' that part of that was Amphetamine withdrawl. That
> > WILL make you sleep! I don't take my Adderall on my days off.
> > Withdrawing from it has a hell of a rebound. That's the main reason I
> > DON'T take it when I'm not working.
> >
> > It has it's pro's and con's!
>
> Yup - like anything. Glad you are being sensible and careful with it ',;~}~

I don't really like stimulants, but am trusting the doctor on this one.

>
> > If you want a good OTC sleep aid, try Dramamine (Meclazine). Knocks me
> > on my tail! I can't even drive if I use it for nausea.....
>
> I thought Dramamine was diphenhydramine (antihystamine with sedative action)
> HCL, like what I had? (Google says 'yup'?!?) The stuff works, some, but
> while I'm laid down I feel quite awake on it, stand up and the world,
> starting with my knees, turns tpo jelly though! made going for a **** last
> night quite a job I can tell ya...

No no NO!!!

Dramamine is not Meclizine. That was an error. That is generic
Antivert...

Dramamine is Dimenhydrinate. An anti-nausea medication not really an
antihistimine. Diphenhydramine is generic Benadryl. An antihistamine.
That does not work all that well for a sleep aid.

Motion sickness pills or anti-nausea pills have a real sedative effect.
It's sold OTC for car sickness or sea sickness.

The drug used in hospitals is Phenargan. I had some IV when I had that
Salmonella infection in the ER. Combined with a little IV Demerol,
knocked me right out and killed the gut cramps and nausea.

IV Demerol is nice. ;-)
I felt it hit shortly after they injected it into the IV lock.
Nice buzz!

>
> > > One good thing from the w/e though - the osteopath on Saturday was
> > > brilliant - he found two locked vertebrae right near the bottom of my
> back
> > > (where most of the trouble has been), freed them up and I felt so good
> > > walking to the bus after I was swing off lamp posts - I'd forgotten what
> it
> > > *should* feel like! I got hip and arse movement back again LOL!
> >
> > That's nice!
> > Are they similar to a chiropractor?
>
> Quite, yes. Often they'll use accupuncture as part of the treatment too, but
> not on me, least yet...

Cool!

>
> > > He found one rotated vertebra too, further up (may be related to the
> other
> > > prob.), managed to get it a bit better, but I have to go back next
> > > Wednesday. Oh, since then I've found another rotated one in my neck,
> which
> > > he'll hopefully be able to start working on too. He was a great guy to
> chat
> > > with, understood everything I explained to him, his logic flowed the
> same as
> > > mine (he agreed with me LOL!) - just an all round good experience! Just
> > > concerned with how many times I'm gonna have to come up with the cash to
> get
> > > this sorted now - it ain't cheap, and I'm skint too. What price health
> > > though eh?
> >
> > I know the feeling. ;-P
> > This last fight with weight loss has not been cheap, even with insurance.
> >
> > But at least it's working. :-) Finally broke that damned plateu I've
> > been stuck on for the past months or so!
>
> Just read that and commented - great stuff kat - really pleased for you!

How is Kath doing?

>
> BTW - you checked out my galleries yet (link below)? I uploaded some pics of
> the polytunnel for you to check out ',;~}~

Yes! Just commented on them on another list.
I like the slide show function!

Cheers!

>
> Shaun aRe
> --
> http://www.pixparty.com/shaunare/gallery.asp.
>
>
>
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"Katra" > wrote in message
...
> In article ws.net>,
> "Shaun aRe" > wrote:


> > > The last two hours was napping. ;-)
> >
> > NAPPING?!? NAPPING?!? I couldn't even *relax* in the slightest all the
while
> > I was tired as hell - that's what makes it worse than just lack of sleep
> > when I get like this - I don't sleep, but I stay totally wired with
brain
> > full-on in the mean time, so I get totally, utterly, mentally worn out,
but
> > STILL cannot get any sleep. Only thing is to knock myself out a couple
> > nights on the run to flip that nasty old switch back into the right
> > position. Sometimes, I've had to take 4 times the prescribed pills to
achive
> > THAT FFS...
>
> <grins> It's not been normal in the past.
> Normally during the week I can only sleep 6 hours max...
> It's on my days off when I quit taking the prescription
> that I can sleep for years...

Heh, well normally I *can* sleep midweek, but at the w/e's, I wake up at ~7
a.m. and that's it - buggrit!

> To me, it's a bit of a waste of time, but I guess I need it.
>
> :-P

If it helps t helps, if it don't, it errrmmm, don't, heheheheh...

> > > If you want a good OTC sleep aid, try Dramamine (Meclazine). Knocks me
> > > on my tail! I can't even drive if I use it for nausea.....
> >
> > I thought Dramamine was diphenhydramine (antihystamine with sedative
action)
> > HCL, like what I had? (Google says 'yup'?!?) The stuff works, some, but
> > while I'm laid down I feel quite awake on it, stand up and the world,
> > starting with my knees, turns tpo jelly though! made going for a ****
last
> > night quite a job I can tell ya...
>
> No no NO!!!
>
> Dramamine is not Meclizine. That was an error. That is generic
> Antivert...

I actually looked further and read a good deal - Dramamine *2* is indeed
meclizine, the original as you say below, dimenhydranate (these two were
made to replace diphenhydramine for various applications, and are very
similar molecules).

> Dramamine is Dimenhydrinate. An anti-nausea medication not really an
> antihistimine. Diphenhydramine is generic Benadryl. An antihistamine.

They are all antihystamines with anticholinergic as well as sedative action,
the meclazine and the dimenhydranate suppsed to have less of the
anitcholinergic effect or summink...

> That does not work all that well for a sleep aid.

It's what's used in Nytol Max Strength and many generic equivs.

> Motion sickness pills or anti-nausea pills have a real sedative effect.
> It's sold OTC for car sickness or sea sickness.

Diphenhydramine is too - as I said, they are much more than similar drugs.
Dimenhydranate *is* basically diphenhydramine with extra atoms in the
molecule making it heavier, slower to absorb - the molecule virtually breaks
down in the digestive systme into dphenhydramine, so 50mg /inate has the
same action and strength as 25mg /amine, according to erowid, and a health
and prescription drug info site. WEIRD!

> The drug used in hospitals is Phenargan. I had some IV when I had that
> Salmonella infection in the ER. Combined with a little IV Demerol,
> knocked me right out and killed the gut cramps and nausea.
>
> IV Demerol is nice. ;-)
> I felt it hit shortly after they injected it into the IV lock.
> Nice buzz!

What's the chemcal name/family? They gave me all sorts to knock me out when
I had that smashed leg, pills galore, and if they didn't work (sometimes
they would just make me totally wasted, but the pain would stop me from
dozing) they'd get someone to come give me a shot (always worked!)

> > > > One good thing from the w/e though - the osteopath on Saturday was
> > > > brilliant - he found two locked vertebrae right near the bottom of
my
> > back
> > > > (where most of the trouble has been), freed them up and I felt so
good
> > > > walking to the bus after I was swing off lamp posts - I'd forgotten
what
> > it
> > > > *should* feel like! I got hip and arse movement back again LOL!
> > >
> > > That's nice!
> > > Are they similar to a chiropractor?
> >
> > Quite, yes. Often they'll use accupuncture as part of the treatment too,
but
> > not on me, least yet...
>
> Cool!

Can't wait to go back now ',;~}~

> > > > He found one rotated vertebra too, further up (may be related to the
> > other
> > > > prob.), managed to get it a bit better, but I have to go back next
> > > > Wednesday. Oh, since then I've found another rotated one in my neck,
> > which
> > > > he'll hopefully be able to start working on too. He was a great guy
to
> > chat
> > > > with, understood everything I explained to him, his logic flowed the
> > same as
> > > > mine (he agreed with me LOL!) - just an all round good experience!
Just
> > > > concerned with how many times I'm gonna have to come up with the
cash to
> > get
> > > > this sorted now - it ain't cheap, and I'm skint too. What price
health
> > > > though eh?
> > >
> > > I know the feeling. ;-P
> > > This last fight with weight loss has not been cheap, even with
insurance.
> > >
> > > But at least it's working. :-) Finally broke that damned plateu I've
> > > been stuck on for the past months or so!
> >
> > Just read that and commented - great stuff kat - really pleased for you!
>
> How is Kath doing?

Not too well ATM, but getting there.

> > BTW - you checked out my galleries yet (link below)? I uploaded some
pics of
> > the polytunnel for you to check out ',;~}~
>
> Yes! Just commented on them on another list.
> I like the slide show function!
>
> Cheers!

',;~}~

Have a good w/e me dear!

Shaun aRe