I'm with you! I'm all for people trimming down but it's getting out of
hand about the 'carb counting'. Watching people freak out when you
even mention potato, bread or pasta is getting tiring. But I am
putting up with it just as I put up with my co-worker that downs a
whole package of Snackwell crakers and fat-free creamcheese at lunch.
Gross. (But fat-free!)

Can't wait for the next trend diet!

You still can eat well, just less of it and it works! (But I'm a
weight watcher disciple who has done well with it over the years)

Here's some fun:
http://www.illwillpress.com/fatkins.html

Melanie



(Patricia Aquino) wrote in message >...
> Yes, Spamfree, you can count me in as someone who is tired of hearing
> the words "low carb" or more irritating just the word "carbs".
>
> While many of us would benefit from cutting the carbohydrates in our
> diet, I am sick to death of friends and family alike spouting off about
> their "low carb diets". I am sick of going to a restaurant with them
> and having them completely revamp the menu as they smugly announce to
> one and all that they are "counting carbs". I am tempted to tell the
> waiter/waitress to just pile the "carbs" onto my plate.
>
> The most irritating friend I have is one who toots her horn about her
> Atkins diet as she's puffing on one cigarette after the other. She
> brags about all the "weenies" she's had that day as she's chomping on a
> bag of pork rinds. I would love to see what her cholesterol level
> really is not to mention her blood pressure! This is also a person who
> believes if you watch a work-out video it's as if you have done the full
> work out. She might have her head examined while she's having her
> cholesterol and blood pressure checked. If that were the case, I'd be
> the fittest form walking...Lord knows I have "watched" my share of
> exercise videos. I am out of breath just thinking of how hard it was to
> watch them. Wonder if I were to walk around with a book on my head if it
> would be the same as reading it?
>
> To sum it up...I've got your "carbs" riighttt here!

In article > ,
(Lululemon) wrote:


> Can't wait for the next trend diet!


I just wonder what it will be, and whether it will be something new to me
or something recycled.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Patricia Aquino wrote:
>
>>Yes, Spamfree, you can count me in as someone who is tired of hearing
>>the words "low carb" or more irritating just the word "carbs".
>>
>>... I would love to see what her cholesterol level
>>really is not to mention her blood pressure!
>
>
> Atkins reduces blood pressure in more people than it reduces weight
> and it improves cholesterol in 80%, but don't let the facts hit you
> on the head when you bash your way though the door leading out. I
> know - It's not your fault the doctor dropped you on your head when
> you were born.
>
>
>>This is also a person who believes if you watch a work-out
>>video it's as if you have done the full work out.
>
>
> Chuckle. You aren't able to put in any mental work with tough
> stuff like facts and your friend isn't able to put in any
> physical work with tough stuff like weights. At least the two
> of you add up to a whole person.
>
>
>>To sum it up...I've got your "carbs" riighttt here!
>
>
> Fortunately the carb count for a troll is zero.


I'm not sure where to step in here...

I think the Adkin's craze is idiotic -- at least the way I see most
people following it, where a Wendy's triple with cheese is considered
"heathy" if you don't eat the bun. And I'm getting tired of hearing
"LOW CARB" all the time. But...

My brother has lost close to 100 pounds by severely limiting carbohydrates.

My mother (a Registered Nurse) is doing Adkins and has lost a little
weight; her total cholesterol hasn't really moved much, but now it is
almost totally HDL. [I think this is weird]

So there is *something* to the diet, even if it is only for a temporary
measure to get an extremely obese person's weight down to where they can
start a more balanced diet and exercise program. And I suspect that the
high protein level in the diet helps preserve lean muscle mass when the
body is drawing on it's stores.

All the food companies and restaurants jumping the low-carb bandwagon is
a Godsend for diabetics, making it much easier for them to control their
glucose levels by diet and maybe not even needing insulin shots. I
suspect some of the diet's success comes from controlling hunger by
stabilizing glucose and insulin levels.

I was on a high-protein diet back in the 70's for a little while. The
mild ketosis it put's you in does supress your appetite. I lost weight,
but the diet was not maintainable. That was a long time ago, and I was
young, so I don't remember a lot of details.

I think the real nugget of goodness that I see in the low-carbohydrate
diet is that the USA diet gets most of its calories from carbohydrates
-- so that's the largest opportunity for calorie reduction. If you only
eat, say, 200 calories worth of carbohydrates in a day, it is difficult
to eat 2000 calories worth of protein and fat even though fat is over
twice as energy-dense as carbs. You can eliminate several hundreds of
calories of carbohydrate from your diet every day and not miss it.

Best regards,
Bob

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> I think the Adkin's craze is idiotic -- at least the way I see most
> people following it, where a Wendy's triple with cheese is considered
> "heathy" if you don't eat the bun. And I'm getting tired of hearing
> "LOW CARB" all the time. But...
>
> My brother has lost close to 100 pounds by severely limiting
carbohydrates.
> So there is *something* to the diet, even if it is only for a temporary
> measure to get an extremely obese person's weight down to where they can
> start a more balanced diet and exercise program.

This is the only recommended scenario for this type of diet. Under a doctors
supervision for extremely obese patients where its a matter of life and
death is this diet used my medical practictioners. Its not meant for the
casual dieters.


> Best regards,
> Bob

In article >,
wrote:

> On Wed, 12 May 2004 15:27:14 -0700, (Dan Abel) wrote:
>
> >In article > ,
> (Lululemon) wrote:

> >> Can't wait for the next trend diet!


> >I just wonder what it will be, and whether it will be something new to me
> >or something recycled.
>
> It will have to be recycled. They've run out of ideas.....


After I hit the send button, I realized that I was pretty unclear.
Obviously it's either going to be recycled or a combination of recycled
ideas, but what I really meant was whether it was going to be something
that *I* had already seen in my 54 years on this earth.


> Personally, I dont believe any of this stuff anymore. I just try to
> eat a balanced and natural diet, and not eat to excess. Because of
> this, I have never needed to diet.


But that *is* a diet! And a good one, too. I'm always amazed when people
overeat for 30 years, "suddenly" find out they are overweight when their
doctor reads them the riot act, and then are surprised that there isn't
some easy, painless diet that would eliminate the excess weight in a
couple of months.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

In article >, zxcvbob > wrote:


> I think the Adkin's craze is idiotic -- at least the way I see most
> people following it, where a Wendy's triple with cheese is considered
> "heathy" if you don't eat the bun. And I'm getting tired of hearing
> "LOW CARB" all the time. But...
>
> My brother has lost close to 100 pounds by severely limiting carbohydrates.
>
> My mother (a Registered Nurse) is doing Adkins and has lost a little
> weight; her total cholesterol hasn't really moved much, but now it is
> almost totally HDL. [I think this is weird]
>
> So there is *something* to the diet, even if it is only for a temporary
> measure to get an extremely obese person's weight down to where they can
> start a more balanced diet and exercise program. And I suspect that the
> high protein level in the diet helps preserve lean muscle mass when the
> body is drawing on it's stores.


I'm glad you posted this. I feel kind of the same. Low-carb seems like a
complex solution to a simple problem, and I suspect people don't like the
simple solution because it isn't fun or easy. Yet again, reputable people
seem to support these diets, along with some wackos. I also hear lots of
people who say these diets work well.


Of course, I've also read that Atkins is a lot more than just low carb.



> I think the real nugget of goodness that I see in the low-carbohydrate
> diet is that the USA diet gets most of its calories from carbohydrates
> -- so that's the largest opportunity for calorie reduction. If you only
> eat, say, 200 calories worth of carbohydrates in a day, it is difficult
> to eat 2000 calories worth of protein and fat even though fat is over
> twice as energy-dense as carbs. You can eliminate several hundreds of
> calories of carbohydrate from your diet every day and not miss it.


Very interesting theory.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

On Thu, 13 May 2004 12:55:19 -0700, (Dan Abel) wrote:

>In article >,
wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 May 2004 15:27:14 -0700, (Dan Abel) wrote:
>>
>> >In article > ,
>> (Lululemon) wrote:
>
>> >> Can't wait for the next trend diet!
>
i'm a little underweight, but i never seem to receive 'get fat fast'
spam. well, except certain parts of the body.

your pal,
blake