On advice re my dishwasher leaving spots & streaks, I bought Lemi-shine.
I've used it once and my dishes did come out somewhat betterl; not perfect,
but they have had a while to get in this bad shape. One comment: The
indented glasses and cups on the top shelf of the dishwasher that had water
in them had a lot of undissolved crystals in the water.

I use very hot water and also use the hot water heater in my dishwasher. I
will continue to use the whole bottle before I try anything else (CLR).
This Lemi-Shine is in addition to the Jet-Dry which I have put in the
dishwasher tank-fill.
Any comments welcome.
Thanks,
Dee Dee

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:20:59 -0400, "Dee Randall"
> wrote:

>
>On advice re my dishwasher leaving spots & streaks, I bought Lemi-shine.
>I've used it once and my dishes did come out somewhat betterl; not perfect,
>but they have had a while to get in this bad shape. One comment: The
>indented glasses and cups on the top shelf of the dishwasher that had water
>in them had a lot of undissolved crystals in the water.
>
>I use very hot water and also use the hot water heater in my dishwasher. I
>will continue to use the whole bottle before I try anything else (CLR).
>This Lemi-Shine is in addition to the Jet-Dry which I have put in the
>dishwasher tank-fill.
>Any comments welcome.

If I understand you correctly, the Lemi-Shine is not dissolving in
your dishwasher. Try dissolving the Lemi-Shine before adding it to
the dishwasher, perhaps let an amount of Lemi-Shine sit overnight (or
longer) in a jar of water, perhaps distilled water. If it doesn't
dissolve after a couple of days, pour off what has dissolved and use
that.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

"Curly Sue" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:20:59 -0400, "Dee Randall"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>On advice re my dishwasher leaving spots & streaks, I bought Lemi-shine.
>>I've used it once and my dishes did come out somewhat betterl; not
>>perfect,
>>but they have had a while to get in this bad shape. One comment: The
>>indented glasses and cups on the top shelf of the dishwasher that had
>>water
>>in them had a lot of undissolved crystals in the water.
>>
>>I use very hot water and also use the hot water heater in my dishwasher. I
>>will continue to use the whole bottle before I try anything else (CLR).
>>This Lemi-Shine is in addition to the Jet-Dry which I have put in the
>>dishwasher tank-fill.
>>Any comments welcome.
>
> If I understand you correctly, the Lemi-Shine is not dissolving in
> your dishwasher. Try dissolving the Lemi-Shine before adding it to
> the dishwasher, perhaps let an amount of Lemi-Shine sit overnight (or
> longer) in a jar of water, perhaps distilled water. If it doesn't
> dissolve after a couple of days, pour off what has dissolved and use
> that.
>
Thanks, that sounds like a perfect idea. I'll do it.
Dee Dee

"Dee Randall" > wrote in message
...
>
> On advice re my dishwasher leaving spots & streaks, I bought Lemi-shine. I've
> used it once and my dishes did come out somewhat betterl; not perfect, but
> they have had a while to get in this bad shape. One comment: The indented
> glasses and cups on the top shelf of the dishwasher that had water in them had
> a lot of undissolved crystals in the water.
>
> I use very hot water and also use the hot water heater in my dishwasher. I
> will continue to use the whole bottle before I try anything else (CLR). This
> Lemi-Shine is in addition to the Jet-Dry which I have put in the dishwasher
> tank-fill.
> Any comments welcome.
> Thanks,
> Dee Dee

I take it you have hard water, correct?

Do you have a water softener?

We use a water softener and for a reason too long to go into we were unable to
use soft water. Our glasses and dishes got hazy.

If you want to start "fresh" fill your sink 1/2 full of quite warm water. Add
1/2 that amount of white (any kind) vinegar. Let your glasses and dishes soak
for 15 minutes then sponge or wipe with a dish cloth the rinse and dry.

Dimitri

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> On advice re my dishwasher leaving spots & streaks, I bought Lemi-shine.
>> I've used it once and my dishes did come out somewhat betterl; not
>> perfect, but they have had a while to get in this bad shape. One
>> comment: The indented glasses and cups on the top shelf of the dishwasher
>> that had water in them had a lot of undissolved crystals in the water.
>>
>> I use very hot water and also use the hot water heater in my dishwasher.
>> I will continue to use the whole bottle before I try anything else (CLR).
>> This Lemi-Shine is in addition to the Jet-Dry which I have put in the
>> dishwasher tank-fill.
>> Any comments welcome.
>> Thanks,
>> Dee Dee
>
> I take it you have hard water, correct?
>
> Do you have a water softener?
>
> We use a water softener and for a reason too long to go into we were
> unable to use soft water. Our glasses and dishes got hazy.
>
> If you want to start "fresh" fill your sink 1/2 full of quite warm water.
> Add 1/2 that amount of white (any kind) vinegar. Let your glasses and
> dishes soak for 15 minutes then sponge or wipe with a dish cloth the rinse
> and dry.
>
> Dimitri
We have a water softener. (Our water without it is 37 g and we use a lot of
salt each month.)
Dimitri, I've started fresh with vinegar more times than I care to say.
(Tongue in cheek - The amount of dishes that I use and have the
streaks/haze/spots/yuk on them would take a gasoline tank truck to clean
off.) When I bought some new glasses a few weeks ago, they were 'fresh,' as
you say, and the second thru wash, they were on their way to being like the
others.

Thanks, D.
DeeDEe

"Dee Randall" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dimitri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> On advice re my dishwasher leaving spots & streaks, I bought Lemi-shine.
>>> I've used it once and my dishes did come out somewhat betterl; not perfect,
>>> but they have had a while to get in this bad shape. One comment: The
>>> indented glasses and cups on the top shelf of the dishwasher that had water
>>> in them had a lot of undissolved crystals in the water.
>>>
>>> I use very hot water and also use the hot water heater in my dishwasher. I
>>> will continue to use the whole bottle before I try anything else (CLR). This
>>> Lemi-Shine is in addition to the Jet-Dry which I have put in the dishwasher
>>> tank-fill.
>>> Any comments welcome.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dee Dee
>>
>> I take it you have hard water, correct?
>>
>> Do you have a water softener?
>>
>> We use a water softener and for a reason too long to go into we were unable
>> to use soft water. Our glasses and dishes got hazy.
>>
>> If you want to start "fresh" fill your sink 1/2 full of quite warm water. Add
>> 1/2 that amount of white (any kind) vinegar. Let your glasses and dishes
>> soak for 15 minutes then sponge or wipe with a dish cloth the rinse and dry.
>>
>> Dimitri
> We have a water softener. (Our water without it is 37 g and we use a lot of
> salt each month.)
> Dimitri, I've started fresh with vinegar more times than I care to say.
> (Tongue in cheek - The amount of dishes that I use and have the
> streaks/haze/spots/yuk on them would take a gasoline tank truck to clean off.)
> When I bought some new glasses a few weeks ago, they were 'fresh,' as you say,
> and the second thru wash, they were on their way to being like the others.
>
> Thanks, D.
> DeeDEe

I think you need to check your water softener. This is a water problem not a
dishwasher problem. Do you have a test kit?

Dimitri

>> "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> On advice re my dishwasher leaving spots & streaks, I bought Lemi-shine.
>>> I've used it once and my dishes did come out somewhat betterl; not
>>> perfect, but they have had a while to get in this bad shape. One
>>> comment: The indented glasses and cups on the top shelf of the
>>> dishwasher that had water in them had a lot of undissolved crystals in
>>> the water.
>>>
>>> I use very hot water and also use the hot water heater in my dishwasher.
>>> I will continue to use the whole bottle before I try anything else
>>> (CLR). This Lemi-Shine is in addition to the Jet-Dry which I have put in
>>> the dishwasher tank-fill.
>>> Any comments welcome.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dee Dee

We don't have a dishwasher at the Minnesota house (from which I'm posting),
but we do have one at the new (to us) Colorado house. I've been using the
Cascade product that's prepackaged, hhmmm; any way, it's powder Cascade with
a bit of Dawn packaged with it. Everything comes out beautifully (town
water, no water softener). I have been told that if you do too much
rinse/prep work before putting the dishes in, that will contribute to
etching (cloudiness). So, of course, I do none! ;-)

BTW, I use nothing else, including Jet Dry, just the little packet doohickey
thingy.

Pam

On Wed 13 Jul 2005 02:20:59p, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> On advice re my dishwasher leaving spots & streaks, I bought Lemi-shine.
> I've used it once and my dishes did come out somewhat betterl; not
> perfect, but they have had a while to get in this bad shape. One
> comment: The indented glasses and cups on the top shelf of the
> dishwasher that had water in them had a lot of undissolved crystals in
> the water.
>
> I use very hot water and also use the hot water heater in my dishwasher.
> I will continue to use the whole bottle before I try anything else
> (CLR). This Lemi-Shine is in addition to the Jet-Dry which I have put in
> the dishwasher tank-fill.
> Any comments welcome.
> Thanks,
> Dee Dee
>
>

Dee, for some reason I never got the fact that you have a water softener,
and that may have something to do with it. If the deposits in your
dishwasher tub, as well as all the tubes, pipes, and spray heads, are
really bad, this could account for crystaline deposits. Are you sure it is
crystals of the Lemi Shine?

I would have the water softener checked, as well as the dishwasher.

One thing about using the Lemi Shine itself... Some of the really worst
pieces I had required several washings with it before they became clear. I
never noticed any undissolved Lemi Shine on the dishes or in the tub.


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"Dimitri" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Dimitri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> On advice re my dishwasher leaving spots & streaks, I bought
>>>> Lemi-shine. I've used it once and my dishes did come out somewhat
>>>> betterl; not perfect, but they have had a while to get in this bad
>>>> shape. One comment: The indented glasses and cups on the top shelf of
>>>> the dishwasher that had water in them had a lot of undissolved crystals
>>>> in the water.
>>>>
>>>> I use very hot water and also use the hot water heater in my
>>>> dishwasher. I will continue to use the whole bottle before I try
>>>> anything else (CLR). This Lemi-Shine is in addition to the Jet-Dry
>>>> which I have put in the dishwasher tank-fill.
>>>> Any comments welcome.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dee Dee
>>>
>>> I take it you have hard water, correct?
>>>
>>> Do you have a water softener?
>>>
>>> We use a water softener and for a reason too long to go into we were
>>> unable to use soft water. Our glasses and dishes got hazy.
>>>
>>> If you want to start "fresh" fill your sink 1/2 full of quite warm
>>> water. Add 1/2 that amount of white (any kind) vinegar. Let your
>>> glasses and dishes soak for 15 minutes then sponge or wipe with a dish
>>> cloth the rinse and dry.
>>>
>>> Dimitri
>> We have a water softener. (Our water without it is 37 g and we use a lot
>> of salt each month.)
>> Dimitri, I've started fresh with vinegar more times than I care to say.
>> (Tongue in cheek - The amount of dishes that I use and have the
>> streaks/haze/spots/yuk on them would take a gasoline tank truck to clean
>> off.) When I bought some new glasses a few weeks ago, they were 'fresh,'
>> as you say, and the second thru wash, they were on their way to being
>> like the others.
>>
>> Thanks, D.
>> DeeDEe
>
> I think you need to check your water softener. This is a water problem
> not a dishwasher problem. Do you have a test kit?
> Dimitri

Do you mean for the softness of the water? I don't think it needs to be any
softer than it is, really. When I visit my f-i-l, his water is harder than
mine (I take my own soap -- tee hee) and we use the same soap for the
dishwasher and washer.
DeeDee

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed 13 Jul 2005 02:20:59p, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> On advice re my dishwasher leaving spots & streaks, I bought Lemi-shine.
>> I've used it once and my dishes did come out somewhat betterl; not
>> perfect, but they have had a while to get in this bad shape. One
>> comment: The indented glasses and cups on the top shelf of the
>> dishwasher that had water in them had a lot of undissolved crystals in
>> the water.
>>
>> I use very hot water and also use the hot water heater in my dishwasher.
>> I will continue to use the whole bottle before I try anything else
>> (CLR). This Lemi-Shine is in addition to the Jet-Dry which I have put in
>> the dishwasher tank-fill.
>> Any comments welcome.
>> Thanks,
>> Dee Dee
>>
>>
>
> Dee, for some reason I never got the fact that you have a water softener,
> and that may have something to do with it. If the deposits in your
> dishwasher tub, as well as all the tubes, pipes, and spray heads, are
> really bad, this could account for crystaline deposits. Are you sure it
> is
> crystals of the Lemi Shine?

> I would have the water softener checked, as well as the dishwasher.
>
> One thing about using the Lemi Shine itself... Some of the really worst
> pieces I had required several washings with it before they became clear.
> I
> never noticed any undissolved Lemi Shine on the dishes or in the tub.
>

> Wayne Boatwright *¿*

Are you sure it is
> crystals of the Lemi Shine?

Yes, it is the Lemi-Shine crystals, as I didn't have crystals before because
I use liquid dishwasher soap, and the Jet Dry (liquid).

Tonight I put the dishes thru one wash using liquid dishwasher, & jet dry
with a short air dry; then I put it thru the rinse cycle using only the
water that came into the tub, with a glass of dissolved Lemi-Shine. We'll
see how it went tomorrow morning when I unload.
Thanks,
Dee Dee

On Wed 13 Jul 2005 06:40:26p, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed 13 Jul 2005 02:20:59p, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>>
>>> On advice re my dishwasher leaving spots & streaks, I bought
>>> Lemi-shine. I've used it once and my dishes did come out somewhat
>>> betterl; not perfect, but they have had a while to get in this bad
>>> shape. One comment: The indented glasses and cups on the top shelf of
>>> the dishwasher that had water in them had a lot of undissolved
>>> crystals in the water.
>>>
>>> I use very hot water and also use the hot water heater in my
>>> dishwasher. I will continue to use the whole bottle before I try
>>> anything else (CLR). This Lemi-Shine is in addition to the Jet-Dry
>>> which I have put in the dishwasher tank-fill.
>>> Any comments welcome.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dee Dee
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Dee, for some reason I never got the fact that you have a water
>> softener, and that may have something to do with it. If the deposits
>> in your dishwasher tub, as well as all the tubes, pipes, and spray
>> heads, are really bad, this could account for crystaline deposits. Are
>> you sure it is crystals of the Lemi Shine?
>
>> I would have the water softener checked, as well as the dishwasher.
>>
>> One thing about using the Lemi Shine itself... Some of the really
>> worst pieces I had required several washings with it before they became
>> clear. I
>> never noticed any undissolved Lemi Shine on the dishes or in the tub.
>>
>
>> Wayne Boatwright *¿*
>
> Are you sure it is
>> crystals of the Lemi Shine?
>
> Yes, it is the Lemi-Shine crystals, as I didn't have crystals before
> because I use liquid dishwasher soap, and the Jet Dry (liquid).
>
> Tonight I put the dishes thru one wash using liquid dishwasher, & jet
> dry with a short air dry; then I put it thru the rinse cycle using only
> the water that came into the tub, with a glass of dissolved Lemi-Shine.
> We'll see how it went tomorrow morning when I unload.
> Thanks,
> Dee Dee
>
>
>

Good luck, Dee. Let us know.

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____________________________________________

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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed 13 Jul 2005 06:40:26p, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed 13 Jul 2005 02:20:59p, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On advice re my dishwasher leaving spots & streaks, I bought
>>>> Lemi-shine. I've used it once and my dishes did come out somewhat
>>>> betterl; not perfect, but they have had a while to get in this bad
>>>> shape. One comment: The indented glasses and cups on the top shelf of
>>>> the dishwasher that had water in them had a lot of undissolved
>>>> crystals in the water.
>>>>
>>>> I use very hot water and also use the hot water heater in my
>>>> dishwasher. I will continue to use the whole bottle before I try
>>>> anything else (CLR). This Lemi-Shine is in addition to the Jet-Dry
>>>> which I have put in the dishwasher tank-fill.
>>>> Any comments welcome.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dee Dee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dee, for some reason I never got the fact that you have a water
>>> softener, and that may have something to do with it. If the deposits
>>> in your dishwasher tub, as well as all the tubes, pipes, and spray
>>> heads, are really bad, this could account for crystaline deposits. Are
>>> you sure it is crystals of the Lemi Shine?
>>
>>> I would have the water softener checked, as well as the dishwasher.
>>>
>>> One thing about using the Lemi Shine itself... Some of the really
>>> worst pieces I had required several washings with it before they became
>>> clear. I
>>> never noticed any undissolved Lemi Shine on the dishes or in the tub.
>>>
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright *¿*
>>
>> Are you sure it is
>>> crystals of the Lemi Shine?
>>
>> Yes, it is the Lemi-Shine crystals, as I didn't have crystals before
>> because I use liquid dishwasher soap, and the Jet Dry (liquid).
>>
>> Tonight I put the dishes thru one wash using liquid dishwasher, & jet
>> dry with a short air dry; then I put it thru the rinse cycle using only
>> the water that came into the tub, with a glass of dissolved Lemi-Shine.
>> We'll see how it went tomorrow morning when I unload.
>> Thanks,
>> Dee Dee
>>
>>
>>
>
> Good luck, Dee. Let us know.

Dishes are a teensy better, but one new unused glass has a film that you can
move around with your thumb/fingers, sort of like it is a soft white greasy
film. It could be that the lemi-shine softened the film and it is moveable
versus a hard film, to become a harder film later. Whatever, I believe
these dishes just aren't getting rinsed enough. I seem to have enough water
in the dishwasher, enough dishwasher soap, enough rinse water -- I've rinsed
them twice and get the same results - my water softener produces water that
is certainly softer than my f-i-l's dishwasher, using the same soap, and his
comes out ok. I think the only thing left is to go thru the full container
of Lemi-shine and if it doesn't do any kind of job for me - then go to the
CLR. After that, it's by hand!
Thanks for your keen interest. I'm going to take a photo of a spaghetti
strainer/fork this morning. If it shows the stains, I'll post it.
Dee Dee

"Dee Randall" > wrote in message
...
>
> On advice re my dishwasher leaving spots & streaks, I bought Lemi-shine.
> I've used it once and my dishes did come out somewhat betterl; not
> perfect, but they have had a while to get in this bad shape. One comment:
> The indented glasses and cups on the top shelf of the dishwasher that had
> water in them had a lot of undissolved crystals in the water.
>
> I use very hot water and also use the hot water heater in my dishwasher. I
> will continue to use the whole bottle before I try anything else (CLR).
> This Lemi-Shine is in addition to the Jet-Dry which I have put in the
> dishwasher tank-fill.
> Any comments welcome.
> Thanks,
> Dee Dee

Everything I've read says a combination of soft water, very hot water &
detergent etches glasses and that can't be fixed. It's certainly something
I've experienced with dishwashers depending on the water condition where we
were living.

Gabby

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:32:40 -0400, "Dee Randall"
> wrote:

>Dishes are a teensy better, but one new unused glass has a film that you can
>move around with your thumb/fingers, sort of like it is a soft white greasy
>film. It could be that the lemi-shine softened the film and it is moveable
>versus a hard film, to become a harder film later. Whatever, I believe
>these dishes just aren't getting rinsed enough. I seem to have enough water
>in the dishwasher, enough dishwasher soap, enough rinse water -- I've rinsed
>them twice and get the same results - my water softener produces water that
>is certainly softer than my f-i-l's dishwasher, using the same soap, and his
>comes out ok. I think the only thing left is to go thru the full container
>of Lemi-shine and if it doesn't do any kind of job for me - then go to the
>CLR. After that, it's by hand!
>Thanks for your keen interest. I'm going to take a photo of a spaghetti
>strainer/fork this morning. If it shows the stains, I'll post it.
>Dee Dee

Maybe there is something wrong with your dishwasher, eg. the water
pressure or draining mechanism, etc.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!