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Mary
 
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..
> Someone (MARY) has some serious mental health issues. This snippet was
> copy/pasted from here, cross posted to rec.food.cooking and rpca by our
> beloved (yet again) Mary:


Thank you, Jill. I missed Bubba's reply.

>
> Mary wrote:
>
> >"W. Leong" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> >>"John F. Eldredge" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:24:44 GMT, Kitkat >
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Nan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:33:23 GMT, tanada >

wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>This is aimed mainly at us Merkins, but I think we'd all find it
> >>>>>>interesting and if the answer to a question about your home country,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>

> >or
> >
> >
> >>>>>>one you know about is wrong, you can let us know.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Pam S.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/cocqz
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>I got 9 out of 11. I'm ready to travel.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Purrs and Hugs,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Nan
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>I got 8/11 and am also ready to travel. I'm embarrassed to admit that

I
> >>>>got the one about Spain wrong and I am a Spanish teacher. LOL.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>There is a steakhouse chain (a chain of informal restaurants
> >>>specializing in beef dishes, particularly steaks) here in the USA,
> >>>called Logan's Roadhouse, that places a tin bucket of peanuts on each
> >>>table as an appetizer. You are expected to drop the shells onto the
> >>>floor, and they sweep the shells up at closing time each night. I
> >>>haven't seen that custom at any other restaurant chain; perhaps
> >>>someone got the idea from a trip to Spain?
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>John F. Eldredge --
> >>>PGP key available from
http://pgp.mit.edu
> >>>"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
> >>>than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Oh yes I remember there was such a roadhouse across from work many

years.
> >>We used to like to go over at lunch or after work
> >>and eat the peanuts while waiting for our orders.
> >>The restaurant has sinced changed many hands .Don't think it was Logan
> >>though. I haven't seen any Logan here in Ontario, if not in
> >>Canada.
> >>
> >>
> >>

> >
> >Hushpuppies are served in lots of southern places before meals.
> >
> >
> >
> >

> In 48 years of eating in Southern places I've never been served a
> hushpuppy before a meal.
> I'm interested...Where are these places?
>
> Bubba
>


Hi Bubba! I live in Raleigh, NC--still southern by some standards,
but if you are in the Mississippi delta I imagine not.

Every Mom and Pop seafood house between here and the actual coast
serves a basket of hush puppies before the meal. Captain Stanley's,
in Garner NC had the best, but they have gone out of business.

There is also a very old place in Raleigh called 42nd Street Oyster
Bar (it was there during the Great Depression and is still there but
has been made "upscale') that serves a basket of hush puppies
with a ramekin of whipped butter for dipping. It's the
bypass-before-you're-fifty special.

Now then, whereabouts are you?


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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..
> Gabey8 wrote:
> > [[This snippet was
> > copy/pasted from here, cross posted to rec.food.cooking and rpca ]]
> >
> > I had a feeling something like that would happen, after I saw this
> > particular post last night:
> >
> >

>

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...c6a7d823b1ecd8
> >
> > I guess it's a mixed blessing that accessing Usenet via the WWW
> > doesn't
> > provide the ability to killfile. It means that all posts, threads, or
> > whatever are available, and it's for the user to decide which things
> > to
> > read and which to avoid.
> >
> > I happened to read that particular item last night and thought, "Oh,
> > great. Now the cooking people are going to wonder what's going on."
> >
> > I guess the cooking group regulars will be doing some plonking before
> > long.
> >
> > Donna

>
> What's with these people?! Do they even *like* cats? I'm getting the
> feeling they care more about flaming and being disruptive than they do
> anything else.
>


Now, now, Jill, as you know we have been talking about our
own beloved kitties for months in these groups. Among the other
things you need to learn is the fact that hyperbole and wild claims
that are completely unfounded in reality do nothing to advance
your credibility.

We long for harmony and happiness between the groups, and we
know how much you love good cat stories there in anecdotes, so
out of the pure love and goodness of our hearts we are going to
do our best to provide more Wonderful Cat Stories just to reward
you all for your kind natures and broad-minded intelligence.

By the same token, when you discuss cooking, why not bring
in the cooking groups? The more the merrier, and all on-topic.
Do you see some down side in this? I thought the cooking
folks would have great insights into pressure cooking and indeed
they did. I enjoyed their input. Didn't you?


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"Mary" > wrote in message ...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Gabey8 wrote:
> > > [[This snippet was
> > > copy/pasted from here, cross posted to rec.food.cooking and rpca ]]
> > >
> > > I had a feeling something like that would happen, after I saw this
> > > particular post last night:
> > >
> > >

> >

>

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...c6a7d823b1ecd8
> > >
> > > I guess it's a mixed blessing that accessing Usenet via the WWW
> > > doesn't
> > > provide the ability to killfile. It means that all posts, threads, or
> > > whatever are available, and it's for the user to decide which things
> > > to
> > > read and which to avoid.
> > >
> > > I happened to read that particular item last night and thought, "Oh,
> > > great. Now the cooking people are going to wonder what's going on."
> > >
> > > I guess the cooking group regulars will be doing some plonking before
> > > long.
> > >
> > > Donna

> >
> > What's with these people?! Do they even *like* cats? I'm getting the
> > feeling they care more about flaming and being disruptive than they do
> > anything else.
> >

>
> Now, now, Jill, as you know we have been talking about our
> own beloved kitties for months in these groups. Among the other
> things you need to learn is the fact that hyperbole and wild claims
> that are completely unfounded in reality do nothing to advance
> your credibility.
>
> We long for harmony and happiness between the groups, and we
> know how much you love good cat stories there in anecdotes, so
> out of the pure love and goodness of our hearts we are going to
> do our best to provide more Wonderful Cat Stories just to reward
> you all for your kind natures and broad-minded intelligence.
>
> By the same token, when you discuss cooking, why not bring
> in the cooking groups? The more the merrier, and all on-topic.
> Do you see some down side in this? I thought the cooking
> folks would have great insights into pressure cooking and indeed
> they did. I enjoyed their input. Didn't you?
>
>


I thought you were in her kf list?


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"Trish" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mary" > wrote in message

...
> >
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > Gabey8 wrote:
> > > > [[This snippet was
> > > > copy/pasted from here, cross posted to rec.food.cooking and rpca ]]
> > > >
> > > > I had a feeling something like that would happen, after I saw this
> > > > particular post last night:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >

> >

>

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...c6a7d823b1ecd8
> > > >
> > > > I guess it's a mixed blessing that accessing Usenet via the WWW
> > > > doesn't
> > > > provide the ability to killfile. It means that all posts, threads,

or
> > > > whatever are available, and it's for the user to decide which things
> > > > to
> > > > read and which to avoid.
> > > >
> > > > I happened to read that particular item last night and thought, "Oh,
> > > > great. Now the cooking people are going to wonder what's going on."
> > > >
> > > > I guess the cooking group regulars will be doing some plonking

before
> > > > long.
> > > >
> > > > Donna
> > >
> > > What's with these people?! Do they even *like* cats? I'm getting the
> > > feeling they care more about flaming and being disruptive than they do
> > > anything else.
> > >

> >
> > Now, now, Jill, as you know we have been talking about our
> > own beloved kitties for months in these groups. Among the other
> > things you need to learn is the fact that hyperbole and wild claims
> > that are completely unfounded in reality do nothing to advance
> > your credibility.
> >
> > We long for harmony and happiness between the groups, and we
> > know how much you love good cat stories there in anecdotes, so
> > out of the pure love and goodness of our hearts we are going to
> > do our best to provide more Wonderful Cat Stories just to reward
> > you all for your kind natures and broad-minded intelligence.
> >
> > By the same token, when you discuss cooking, why not bring
> > in the cooking groups? The more the merrier, and all on-topic.
> > Do you see some down side in this? I thought the cooking
> > folks would have great insights into pressure cooking and indeed
> > they did. I enjoyed their input. Didn't you?
> >
> >

>
> I thought you were in her kf list?
>


Me too. I don't know what her problem is. You would think she
would welcome all the good cooking posts AND cat anecdotes
she can get. I have been reading rec.food.cooking for years.


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"Mary" > wrote in message
news:1121615466.362f11e610ef77fea8c0ebd53e635d66@t eranews...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Someone (MARY) has some serious mental health issues. This snippet was
> > copy/pasted from here, cross posted to rec.food.cooking and rpca by our
> > beloved (yet again) Mary:

>
> Thank you, Jill. I missed Bubba's reply.
>
> >
> > Mary wrote:
> >
> > >"W. Leong" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > >
> > >>"John F. Eldredge" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:24:44 GMT, Kitkat >
> > >>>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Nan wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:33:23 GMT, tanada >

> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>This is aimed mainly at us Merkins, but I think we'd all find it
> > >>>>>>interesting and if the answer to a question about your home

country,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >or
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>>>one you know about is wrong, you can let us know.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>Pam S.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/cocqz
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>I got 9 out of 11. I'm ready to travel.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Purrs and Hugs,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Nan
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>I got 8/11 and am also ready to travel. I'm embarrassed to admit

that
> I
> > >>>>got the one about Spain wrong and I am a Spanish teacher. LOL.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>There is a steakhouse chain (a chain of informal restaurants
> > >>>specializing in beef dishes, particularly steaks) here in the USA,
> > >>>called Logan's Roadhouse, that places a tin bucket of peanuts on each
> > >>>table as an appetizer. You are expected to drop the shells onto the
> > >>>floor, and they sweep the shells up at closing time each night. I
> > >>>haven't seen that custom at any other restaurant chain; perhaps
> > >>>someone got the idea from a trip to Spain?
> > >>>
> > >>>--
> > >>>John F. Eldredge --
> > >>>PGP key available from
http://pgp.mit.edu
> > >>>"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
> > >>>than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>Oh yes I remember there was such a roadhouse across from work many

> years.
> > >>We used to like to go over at lunch or after work
> > >>and eat the peanuts while waiting for our orders.
> > >>The restaurant has sinced changed many hands .Don't think it was Logan
> > >>though. I haven't seen any Logan here in Ontario, if not in
> > >>Canada.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Hushpuppies are served in lots of southern places before meals.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > In 48 years of eating in Southern places I've never been served a
> > hushpuppy before a meal.
> > I'm interested...Where are these places?
> >
> > Bubba
> >

>
> Hi Bubba! I live in Raleigh, NC--still southern by some standards,
> but if you are in the Mississippi delta I imagine not.
>
> Every Mom and Pop seafood house between here and the actual coast
> serves a basket of hush puppies before the meal. Captain Stanley's,
> in Garner NC had the best, but they have gone out of business.
>
> There is also a very old place in Raleigh called 42nd Street Oyster
> Bar (it was there during the Great Depression and is still there but
> has been made "upscale') that serves a basket of hush puppies
> with a ramekin of whipped butter for dipping. It's the
> bypass-before-you're-fifty special.
>
> Now then, whereabouts are you?
>


Hello RFC. Please forgive the intrusion. The person you are reading,
"Mary", didn't get her way about a cat, so she's doing her best to troll the
rpca group. Please, if you see any posts from her, ignore them and killfile
her. It'll **** her off and she'll throw a tantrum in her own cat group,
rpch&b.

Thanks to all who want peace...

--

LLL




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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:16:18 -0400, Mary wrote:

> By the same token, when you discuss cooking, why not bring
> in the cooking groups? The more the merrier, and all on-topic.
> Do you see some down side in this? I thought the cooking
> folks would have great insights into pressure cooking and in


If they wanted to post the same question to rfc, they would do so in a
separate post. If people wanted ONE big news group... then why are
there so many separate ones? We are not all one big happy family. We
are a big contentious family and that's why there is more than one
newsgroup for every subject.

If you want to post and participate here, please stay... but don't
cross post. I'm not interested in their replies and they aren't
interested in mine.
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:51:04 -0400, "Mary" >
wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> In 48 years of eating in Southern places I've never been served a
>> hushpuppy before a meal.
>> I'm interested...Where are these places?

>
>Hi Bubba! I live in Raleigh, NC--still southern by some standards,
>but if you are in the Mississippi delta I imagine not.
>
>Every Mom and Pop seafood house between here and the actual coast
>serves a basket of hush puppies before the meal. Captain Stanley's,
>in Garner NC had the best, but they have gone out of business.
>
>There is also a very old place in Raleigh called 42nd Street Oyster
>Bar (it was there during the Great Depression and is still there but
>has been made "upscale') that serves a basket of hush puppies
>with a ramekin of whipped butter for dipping. It's the
>bypass-before-you're-fifty special.
>
>Now then, whereabouts are you?
>


Interesting. I have often seen hushpuppies served as a side dish with
a meal, but not served as an appetizer before a meal. I have lived in
Alabama (only as a young child), Tennessee, and Kentucky. In this
part of the south, you are more likely to be served a basket with
bread of some sort (yeast rolls, biscuits (what the English call
scones), or cornbread muffins) as an appetizer. A lot of restaurants
serve whatever you are drinking ahead of the meal, but no other form
of appetizer.

--
John F. Eldredge --
PGP key available from
http://pgp.mit.edu
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria


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"John F. Eldredge" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:51:04 -0400, "Mary" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> In 48 years of eating in Southern places I've never been served a
> >> hushpuppy before a meal.
> >> I'm interested...Where are these places?

> >
> >Hi Bubba! I live in Raleigh, NC--still southern by some standards,
> >but if you are in the Mississippi delta I imagine not.
> >
> >Every Mom and Pop seafood house between here and the actual coast
> >serves a basket of hush puppies before the meal. Captain Stanley's,
> >in Garner NC had the best, but they have gone out of business.
> >
> >There is also a very old place in Raleigh called 42nd Street Oyster
> >Bar (it was there during the Great Depression and is still there but
> >has been made "upscale') that serves a basket of hush puppies
> >with a ramekin of whipped butter for dipping. It's the
> >bypass-before-you're-fifty special.
> >
> >Now then, whereabouts are you?
> >

>
> Interesting. I have often seen hushpuppies served as a side dish with
> a meal, but not served as an appetizer before a meal. I have lived in
> Alabama (only as a young child), Tennessee, and Kentucky. In this
> part of the south, you are more likely to be served a basket with
> bread of some sort (yeast rolls, biscuits (what the English call
> scones), or cornbread muffins) as an appetizer. A lot of restaurants
> serve whatever you are drinking ahead of the meal, but no other form
> of appetizer.
>


I looked around on the web and it seems some New Orleans restaurants also
serve hushpuppies as appetizers. There is a defininte correlation between
seafood and hushpuppies--but also, Carolina Barbecue places serve them
as an appetizer, too. Of course, there are lots of combination seafood and
barbecue places that serve hushpuppies as an appetizer. As an aside, I think
the thing that makes hushpuppies better than regular corn bread is the
onions
in them. Actually I am assuming there are onions--I think that is what the
flavor
is. But I have never made hushpuppies at home, though I have fried up many
a platter of catfish and oysters. Are you in Kentucky now, John? If so, I
have
a question for you.


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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
.. .
> John F. Eldredge wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:51:04 -0400, "Mary" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> >> . ..
> >>> In 48 years of eating in Southern places I've never been served a
> >>> hushpuppy before a meal.
> >>> I'm interested...Where are these places?
> >>
> >> Hi Bubba! I live in Raleigh, NC--still southern by some standards,
> >> but if you are in the Mississippi delta I imagine not.
> >>
> >> Every Mom and Pop seafood house between here and the actual coast
> >> serves a basket of hush puppies before the meal. Captain Stanley's,
> >> in Garner NC had the best, but they have gone out of business.
> >>
> >> There is also a very old place in Raleigh called 42nd Street Oyster
> >> Bar (it was there during the Great Depression and is still there but
> >> has been made "upscale') that serves a basket of hush puppies
> >> with a ramekin of whipped butter for dipping. It's the
> >> bypass-before-you're-fifty special.
> >>
> >> Now then, whereabouts are you?
> >>

> >
> > Interesting. I have often seen hushpuppies served as a side dish with
> > a meal, but not served as an appetizer before a meal.

>
> John, please snip the crossposting if you want to reply. Or reply on the
> other groups and snip this one. Please!
>

Must you be such a controlling killjoy?


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"John F. Eldredge" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:51:04 -0400, "Mary" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> In 48 years of eating in Southern places I've never been served a
> >> hushpuppy before a meal.
> >> I'm interested...Where are these places?

> >
> >Hi Bubba! I live in Raleigh, NC--still southern by some standards,
> >but if you are in the Mississippi delta I imagine not.
> >
> >Every Mom and Pop seafood house between here and the actual coast
> >serves a basket of hush puppies before the meal. Captain Stanley's,
> >in Garner NC had the best, but they have gone out of business.
> >
> >There is also a very old place in Raleigh called 42nd Street Oyster
> >Bar (it was there during the Great Depression and is still there but
> >has been made "upscale') that serves a basket of hush puppies
> >with a ramekin of whipped butter for dipping. It's the
> >bypass-before-you're-fifty special.
> >
> >Now then, whereabouts are you?
> >

>
> Interesting. I have often seen hushpuppies served as a side dish with
> a meal, but not served as an appetizer before a meal. I have lived in
> Alabama (only as a young child), Tennessee, and Kentucky. In this
> part of the south, you are more likely to be served a basket with
> bread of some sort (yeast rolls, biscuits (what the English call
> scones), or cornbread muffins) as an appetizer. A lot of restaurants
> serve whatever you are drinking ahead of the meal, but no other form
> of appetizer.
>
> --
> John F. Eldredge --
> PGP key available from
http://pgp.mit.edu
> "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
> than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
>
>


I whored myself out alot in fine dining through H.S.
3-5 star dining, and we served muffins!
sweet muffins, If I failed to put a muffin
on a plate before anything else, I had to deal with chef.
You don't wanna deal with chef (least not till the munchies set in)

Incidently, do you know the muffin man?
That lives on Drewery Ln?
just curious




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"Mary" > wrote in message ...
>
> "John F. Eldredge" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:51:04 -0400, "Mary" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> In 48 years of eating in Southern places I've never been served a
> > >> hushpuppy before a meal.
> > >> I'm interested...Where are these places?
> > >
> > >Hi Bubba! I live in Raleigh, NC--still southern by some standards,
> > >but if you are in the Mississippi delta I imagine not.
> > >
> > >Every Mom and Pop seafood house between here and the actual coast
> > >serves a basket of hush puppies before the meal. Captain Stanley's,
> > >in Garner NC had the best, but they have gone out of business.
> > >
> > >There is also a very old place in Raleigh called 42nd Street Oyster
> > >Bar (it was there during the Great Depression and is still there but
> > >has been made "upscale') that serves a basket of hush puppies
> > >with a ramekin of whipped butter for dipping. It's the
> > >bypass-before-you're-fifty special.
> > >
> > >Now then, whereabouts are you?
> > >

> >
> > Interesting. I have often seen hushpuppies served as a side dish with
> > a meal, but not served as an appetizer before a meal. I have lived in
> > Alabama (only as a young child), Tennessee, and Kentucky. In this
> > part of the south, you are more likely to be served a basket with
> > bread of some sort (yeast rolls, biscuits (what the English call
> > scones), or cornbread muffins) as an appetizer. A lot of restaurants
> > serve whatever you are drinking ahead of the meal, but no other form
> > of appetizer.
> >

>
> I looked around on the web and it seems some New Orleans restaurants also
> serve hushpuppies as appetizers. There is a defininte correlation between
> seafood and hushpuppies--but also, Carolina Barbecue places serve them
> as an appetizer, too. Of course, there are lots of combination seafood and
> barbecue places that serve hushpuppies as an appetizer. As an aside, I

think
> the thing that makes hushpuppies better than regular corn bread is the
> onions
> in them. Actually I am assuming there are onions--I think that is what the
> flavor
> is. But I have never made hushpuppies at home, though I have fried up many
> a platter of catfish and oysters. Are you in Kentucky now, John? If so, I
> have
> a question for you.
>



Hush puppies are good, but they are greasy.
In a good kind of way. lol


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:16:18 -0400, Mary wrote:
>
> > By the same token, when you discuss cooking, why not bring
> > in the cooking groups? The more the merrier, and all on-topic.
> > Do you see some down side in this? I thought the cooking
> > folks would have great insights into pressure cooking and in

>
> If they wanted to post the same question to rfc, they would do so in a
> separate post. If people wanted ONE big news group... then why are
> there so many separate ones? We are not all one big happy family. We
> are a big contentious family and that's why there is more than one
> newsgroup for every subject.
>
> If you want to post and participate here, please stay... but don't
> cross post. I'm not interested in their replies and they aren't
> interested in mine.


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