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I added some ground chipotle chili powder and some Mexican oregano. The
broth was tasty. I love hominy anyway so that wasn't a problem. The tripe was... tripe. Spongy, but the canned version was more spongy than it would have been if made from fresh. I guess that was to be expected. Still not impressive enough to make me want to prepare this from scratch. It did, however, give me an idea for another spicy soup ![]() chorizo rather than tripe. Beef stock; golden hominy or possibly garbanzo beans; ground chili powder (probably a combo of ground chillies); Mexican oregano; splash of lime juice; salt as needed... I'll wing it. I'll be trying that in the next couple of weeks when it cools down a bit. Judge Jill -- I used to have a gavel but it broke |
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"jmcquown" > wrote: > Still not > impressive enough to make me want to prepare this from scratch. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything that I'd want to prepare from scratch if all I tried was a canned version. Do you have access to a restaurant that serves menudo? I don't care for it much myself, but I'll bet it's lots better than any canned version. You mention liking hominy. Have you tried posole? I've had some in New Mexico that is one of the best soups I can remember eating. I've thought of making it myself, but my family aren't big on soups. Mike Beede |
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"Mike Beede" > wrote in message
... > In article >, > "jmcquown" > wrote: > >> Still not >> impressive enough to make me want to prepare this from scratch. > > I'm having a hard time thinking of anything that I'd want to > prepare from scratch if all I tried was a canned version. Do > you have access to a restaurant that serves menudo? I don't > care for it much myself, but I'll bet it's lots better than > any canned version. > > You mention liking hominy. Have you tried posole? I've > had some in New Mexico that is one of the best soups I > can remember eating. I've thought of making it myself, > but my family aren't big on soups. > > Mike Beede Mike? The only difference between pesole and menudo is the tripe. Everything else is the same. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Mike Beede wrote:
> In article >, > "jmcquown" > wrote: > >> Still not >> impressive enough to make me want to prepare this from scratch. > > I'm having a hard time thinking of anything that I'd want to > prepare from scratch if all I tried was a canned version. Do > you have access to a restaurant that serves menudo? I have never seen menudo on any menu. Come to think of it, I've never seen soup of any kind offered at any of the Mexican restaurants around here. Hmmm. > You mention liking hominy. Have you tried posole? I've > had some in New Mexico that is one of the best soups I > can remember eating. I've thought of making it myself, > but my family aren't big on soups. > > Mike Beede The only difference I can ascertain between posole and menudo is posole contains pork rather than tripe. Posole is also a specific type of corn, although hominy may be used in place of it. When I wing my new soup using chorizo it will probably come out tasting like (I guess) posole... unless I go with garbanzo beans instead of hominy ![]() To me, hominy tastes a lot like popcorn if you put butter on it ![]() Jill |
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On 2005-07-27, jmcquown > wrote:
> It did, however, give me an idea for another spicy soup ![]() > chorizo rather than tripe. Try pozole. It's almost identical to menudo, but uses pork instead of tripe. As for canned, look for Juanita's brand. It's excellent and comes with a sizeable chunk of lean pork that breaks up nicely so everyone get's plenty of meat. It's so good, in fact, that it is actually better than some homemade. It's better than my Mexican step-mother's pozole, though I'd never tell her that. ![]() http://www.mexgrocer.com/1393.html The proper serving of posole requires the accompaniment of finely shredded cabbage, fresh lime juice, dried oregano (not powdered), tortilla chips, and jalapeno or serrano chile slices. You add each to the soup as you like. You can leave some of these things out, but the lime and oregano are musts. nb |
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![]() : In article >, : "jmcquown" > wrote: : > Still not : > impressive enough to make me want to prepare this from scratch. : I'm having a hard time thinking of anything that I'd want to : prepare from scratch if all I tried was a canned version. Do : you have access to a restaurant that serves menudo? I don't : care for it much myself, but I'll bet it's lots better than : any canned version. : You mention liking hominy. Have you tried posole? I've : had some in New Mexico that is one of the best soups I : can remember eating. I've thought of making it myself, : but my family aren't big on soups. : Mike Beede Posole isn't a soup, rather it's usually served as a side dish on the same plate as the entree. Yes it does have a thin broth with it which runs all over the plate, but it isn't normally thought of as a soup. Real(tm) posole has lots of hominy and little broth. |
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Gee, around here (Chicago) it seems most Mexican restaurants serve beef
soup and chicken soup (caldo de res and caldo de pollo). The ones that serve seafood also usually serve shrimp soup and seafood soup (caldo de camaron and caldo 7 mares) as well as chicken and beef soups. Menudo and posole are very common but usually served only on weekends. -bwg |
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![]() Maverick wrote: > > "Mike Beede" > wrote in message > ... > > In article >, > > "jmcquown" > wrote: > > > >> Still not > >> impressive enough to make me want to prepare this from scratch. > > > > I'm having a hard time thinking of anything that I'd want to > > prepare from scratch if all I tried was a canned version. Do > > you have access to a restaurant that serves menudo? I don't > > care for it much myself, but I'll bet it's lots better than > > any canned version. > > > > You mention liking hominy. Have you tried posole? I've > > had some in New Mexico that is one of the best soups I > > can remember eating. I've thought of making it myself, > > but my family aren't big on soups. > > > > Mike Beede > > Mike? The only difference between pesole and menudo is the tripe. > Everything else is the same. > Pozole de Nixtamal 2 cups lime hominy 6 cups water 1 lb pork ribs or other boiling hog meat 1/2 lb pork rind 4 dried red chile pods 2 tsp salt 2 cloves chopped garlic 2 tsp oregano (Mexican) 1 tsp saffron Menudo 2 1/2 lbs tripe 1/2 calf's foot vinegar and cold water for soaking tripe and calf's foot 2 garlic cloves 1/2 small onion 3 qts water salt 1 1/2 cups hominy red chile puree or 1 cup canned red chile sauce raisins (optional) Similar but not the same |
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![]() Mike Beede wrote: > > In article >, > "jmcquown" > wrote: > > > Still not > > impressive enough to make me want to prepare this from scratch. > > I'm having a hard time thinking of anything that I'd want to > prepare from scratch if all I tried was a canned version. Do > you have access to a restaurant that serves menudo? I don't > care for it much myself, but I'll bet it's lots better than > any canned version. > > You mention liking hominy. Have you tried posole? I've > had some in New Mexico that is one of the best soups I > can remember eating. I've thought of making it myself, > but my family aren't big on soups. > > Mike Beede Make a batch and freeze it in portions. Keeps perfectly well for a few months. |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:57:47 -0500, jmcquown > wrote:
> > I have never seen menudo on any menu. Come to think of it, I've never seen > soup of any kind offered at any of the Mexican restaurants around here. > Hmmm. Here, menudo is only offered in the more authentic Mexican restaurants. You won't find it at Tex-Mex places or Mexican-American places on the menu. It's like the difference between a PF Changs and a hole-in-the-wall Chinese place with almost all-Asian customers. Both might be called Chinese, but their offerings might be so different, it's like two separate cuisines. To get the stuff that hasn't been altered for American tastes, you have to know where to go. There's a small place not far from Wright-Patt AFB which offers pozole and menudo on weekends, their menu is quite small. The salsa is HOT, there's a big TV tuned into the Spanish language channel all the time, and they make incredible beef tongue tacos. I've had the menudo, thought it was good but I'm not wild about tripe. It just doesn't have much flavor on its own, although I did enjoy the honeycomb tripe more than the kind that's usually served in dim sum restaurants. Ariane -- Dysfunction: The only consistent feature of all your dissatisfying relationships is you. http://www.despair.com/demotivators/dysfunction.html |
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![]() jmcquown wrote: > > I have never seen menudo on any menu. Come to think of it, I've never seen > soup of any kind offered at any of the Mexican restaurants around here. > Hmmm. [snips] That's probably a good indicator that the restaurants around you don't cater to a Mexican clientele. Soups, or caldos, are very popular among Mexicans. Albondigas soup, a meatballs in broth type, is less robust and spicy than menudo and pozole. -aem |
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aem wrote:
> jmcquown wrote: >> >> I have never seen menudo on any menu. Come to think of it, I've >> never seen soup of any kind offered at any of the Mexican >> restaurants around here. Hmmm. [snips] > > That's probably a good indicator that the restaurants around you don't > cater to a Mexican clientele. Soups, or caldos, are very popular > among Mexicans. Albondigas soup, a meatballs in broth type, is less > robust > and spicy than menudo and pozole. -aem I was pretty surprised at the lack of soups in even the places where, when I and a guest walked in, we were pretty much the only white faces amongst the other diners. But maybe they can order off a different menu! Don't scoff, in another post (I forget which one) someone went to an Asian restaurant and asked what they have that isn't on the menu. Never occurred to me to do that. Jill |
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jmcquown wrote:
> > I was pretty surprised at the lack of soups in even the places where, when I > and a guest walked in, we were pretty much the only white faces amongst the > other diners. But maybe they can order off a different menu! Don't scoff, > in another post (I forget which one) someone went to an Asian restaurant and > asked what they have that isn't on the menu. Never occurred to me to do > that. > I often ask about things that are not on the menu. In all different kinds of restaurants. Is that unusual? On a few occasions I have arrived at a restaurant with such a strong hankering for a particular dish that I've asked for it even though it was not on the menu. I don't do that for dishes that take a lot of time to cook, though, as they won't have prepped them. A local restaurant we used to frequent once took a popular dish off the menu. I asked why, and they said the cooks were bored with it. The next time we went in I asked for it anyway, and got it. The waiter said the staff sometimes got it, too, at the end of the night. -aem |
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jmcquown > wrote:
> I added some ground chipotle chili powder and some Mexican oregano. The > broth was tasty. I love hominy anyway so that wasn't a problem. The tripe > was... tripe. Spongy, but the canned version was more spongy than it would > have been if made from fresh. I don't know. I love tripe, and I generally wouldn't call it spongy when it is cooked well. Not everyone likes the texture, but it should kind o melt in your mouth, or pretty close. It's really critical to slow cook it on very low temps for hours and hours. (If I were doing menudo, I would cook the tripe in just broth fo a long time by itself, and add the rest of the stuff when it was done or almost done. Basically, if you haven't had this soup (or some other tripe dish) made from scratch by somebody who knows how to cook tripe, I wouldn't judge it. I'm a total tripe fiend, always ordering menudo (or flaki in polish places) whenever I can find it. One of the italian deli counters near me used to do a great tripe tomato soup they called "sofrito" as well, but not since the 80 year old ladies sold it a while back. Michael -- "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. -- Dwight Eisenhower "In Christ there is no killing" -- St. Patrick |
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aem wrote:
> jmcquown wrote: >> >> I was pretty surprised at the lack of soups in even the places >> where, when I and a guest walked in, we were pretty much the only >> white faces amongst the other diners. But maybe they can order off >> a different menu! Don't scoff, in another post (I forget which one) >> someone went to an Asian restaurant and asked what they have that >> isn't on the menu. Never occurred to me to do that. >> > I often ask about things that are not on the menu. In all different > kinds of restaurants. Is that unusual? > I didn't say it's unusual, it just never occurred to me. But I also don't eat out all that often unless I'm travelling. Jill |
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![]() Michael Sullivan wrote: > [snip] > I'm a total tripe fiend, always ordering menudo (or flaki in polish > places) whenever I can find it. One of the italian deli counters near > me used to do a great tripe tomato soup they called "sofrito" as well, > but not since the 80 year old ladies sold it a while back. Do you eat Chinese dim sum? A good dim sum house will have braised tripe, predominantly flavored with soy sauce and star anise. Occasionally you will also find tripe that I believe is first parboiled and then steamed with black bean and garlic sauce. Both yummy. -aem |
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aem wrote:
> > Do you eat Chinese dim sum? A good dim sum house will have braised > tripe, predominantly flavored with soy sauce and star anise. > Occasionally you will also find tripe that I believe is first parboiled > and then steamed with black bean and garlic sauce. Both yummy. -aem > Yummy, indeed. And if one has access to a good Sichuan restaurant, there may be fu qi fei pian (aka man-woman slices and many other things), which usually contain thin slices of beef, tendon, and tripe with a nice spicy sauce. One of my very favorite things. -- Jean B. |
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aem > wrote:
> Michael Sullivan wrote: > > [snip] > > I'm a total tripe fiend, always ordering menudo (or flaki in polish > > places) whenever I can find it. One of the italian deli counters near > > me used to do a great tripe tomato soup they called "sofrito" as well, > > but not since the 80 year old ladies sold it a while back. > Do you eat Chinese dim sum? A good dim sum house will have braised > tripe, predominantly flavored with soy sauce and star anise. When I can get the good stuff, which is not too many places around here, but I typically do dim sum at least once on any manhattan weekend trip. I've tried a few different versions of tripe for dim sum, including both of the sauces you mention. Alas, once or twice, I've ordered tripe as dim sum that was not cooked to my taste at all (perhaps it is normal in whatever area of china those folks hailed from, or perhaps not and they didn't know how to make it), and did indeed have the "spongy" texture the original poster described. That was very disappointing because I always look forward to the tripe. That reminds me that I need to try to make some myself. Michael -- "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. -- Dwight Eisenhower "In Christ there is no killing" -- St. Patrick |
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On 29 Jul 2005 23:27:34 -0700, aem > wrote:
> > Do you eat Chinese dim sum? A good dim sum house will have braised > tripe, predominantly flavored with soy sauce and star anise. > Occasionally you will also find tripe that I believe is first parboiled > and then steamed with black bean and garlic sauce. Both yummy. -aem > Mmmm. I like the sound of that better than the tripe we usually find at dim sum places here--steamed with ginger and scallions. Not that it isn't good that way, but the soy sauce/star anise combo sounds even better to me. Ditto the black bean and garlic sauce. ![]() Ariane -- Dysfunction: The only consistent feature of all your dissatisfying relationships is you. http://www.despair.com/demotivators/dysfunction.html |
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:52:45 -0400, Jean B. > wrote:
> > Yummy, indeed. And if one has access to a good Sichuan > restaurant, there may be fu qi fei pian (aka man-woman slices > and many other things), which usually contain thin slices of > beef, tendon, and tripe with a nice spicy sauce. One of my > very favorite things. I don't think I've had this dish, but it sounds like it'd be one of my favorites, too. I love beef tendon. When done right, it just melts in your mouth... Ariane -- Dysfunction: The only consistent feature of all your dissatisfying relationships is you. http://www.despair.com/demotivators/dysfunction.html |
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Mi e' parso che Michael Sullivan abbia scritto:
> I'm a total tripe fiend, always ordering menudo (or flaki > in polish places) whenever I can find it. One of the > italian deli counters near me used to do a great tripe > tomato soup they called "sofrito" as well, but not since > the 80 year old ladies sold it a while back. So I suppose you have alreday tried "trippa alla parmigiana" (parma tripe)? -- Vilco Think Pink , Drink Rose' |
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![]() Arri London wrote: > > Double ROTFL!!!!! I currently live in New Mexico (and have for some > time). Have eaten at dozens of cafes and restaurants serving New Mexican > cuisine; typically being the only Anglo in the place. Not *once* in all > these years has it been served as a side dish. It's too rich and has too > much meat in it for a side dish. But hey obviously you haven't eaten at > those same places so that's OK. For what it's worth, which is not much, I have only had it as a soup in Mexican restaurants in SoCal. -aem |
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![]() aem wrote: > > Arri London wrote: > > > > Double ROTFL!!!!! I currently live in New Mexico (and have for some > > time). Have eaten at dozens of cafes and restaurants serving New Mexican > > cuisine; typically being the only Anglo in the place. Not *once* in all > > these years has it been served as a side dish. It's too rich and has too > > much meat in it for a side dish. But hey obviously you haven't eaten at > > those same places so that's OK. > > For what it's worth, which is not much, I have only had it as a soup in > Mexican restaurants in SoCal. -aem Should have mentioned also served as a soup/stew at the New Mexican/Mexican homes in which I've eaten meals. None of my Mexican cookbooks mention it as a 'side dish'. That's rather like serving a hamburger as a side dish on a plate full of steak. |
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Michael Sullivan wrote:
> aem > wrote: > >>Michael Sullivan wrote: >>>[snip] >>>I'm a total tripe fiend, always ordering menudo (or flaki in polish >>>places) whenever I can find it. One of the italian deli counters near >>>me used to do a great tripe tomato soup they called "sofrito" as well, >>>but not since the 80 year old ladies sold it a while back. > > >>Do you eat Chinese dim sum? A good dim sum house will have braised >>tripe, predominantly flavored with soy sauce and star anise. > > > When I can get the good stuff, which is not too many places around here, > but I typically do dim sum at least once on any manhattan weekend trip. > > I've tried a few different versions of tripe for dim sum, including both > of the sauces you mention. > > Alas, once or twice, I've ordered tripe as dim sum that was not cooked > to my taste at all (perhaps it is normal in whatever area of china those > folks hailed from, or perhaps not and they didn't know how to make it), > and did indeed have the "spongy" texture the original poster described. > That was very disappointing because I always look forward to the tripe. > > That reminds me that I need to try to make some myself. > Michael > Aha! I found some interesting tripe recipes, which I will try to remember to post for you. -- Jean B. |
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Ariane Jenkins wrote:
> On 29 Jul 2005 23:27:34 -0700, aem > wrote: >>Do you eat Chinese dim sum? A good dim sum house will have braised >>tripe, predominantly flavored with soy sauce and star anise. >>Occasionally you will also find tripe that I believe is first parboiled >>and then steamed with black bean and garlic sauce. Both yummy. -aem > > Mmmm. I like the sound of that better than the tripe we usually find > at dim sum places here--steamed with ginger and scallions. Not that it isn't > good that way, but the soy sauce/star anise combo sounds even better to me. > Ditto the black bean and garlic sauce. ![]() > > Ariane Here, anyway, that tripe is on the soup cart. I liked to combine that and the similar tendon (also on the soup cart), but, alas, the tendon seems to have disappeared. -- Jean B. |
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Ariane Jenkins wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:52:45 -0400, Jean B. > wrote: > >>Yummy, indeed. And if one has access to a good Sichuan >>restaurant, there may be fu qi fei pian (aka man-woman slices >>and many other things), which usually contain thin slices of >>beef, tendon, and tripe with a nice spicy sauce. One of my >>very favorite things. > > > I don't think I've had this dish, but it sounds like it'd be one of my > favorites, too. I love beef tendon. When done right, it just melts in your > mouth... > > Ariane Oh, Ariane, I have to say I had the WORST tendon the last time. It seemed not to have been cooked at all. It was awful! (This is not a restaurant I frequent, thank goodness.) Darn! I was gonna post a recipe for this, which had been in my inbox for maybe TWO years, and now I can't find it. (I was cleaning up. :-( ) -- Jean B. |
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On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:54:53 -0400, Jean B. > wrote:
> > Oh, Ariane, I have to say I had the WORST tendon the last > time. It seemed not to have been cooked at all. It was > awful! (This is not a restaurant I frequent, thank goodness.) Yeah, when it's not cooked long enough, it's like chewing on an old sneaker sole! What a workout for the jaws, though... ;D > Darn! I was gonna post a recipe for this, which had been in > my inbox for maybe TWO years, and now I can't find it. (I was > cleaning up. :-( ) Well, if you find it, please post it! I know where I can buy (frozen) beef tendon, but have never tried cooking it myself. Ariane |
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Ariane Jenkins wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:54:53 -0400, Jean B. > wrote: > > >>Oh, Ariane, I have to say I had the WORST tendon the last >>time. It seemed not to have been cooked at all. It was >>awful! (This is not a restaurant I frequent, thank goodness.) > > > Yeah, when it's not cooked long enough, it's like chewing on > an old sneaker sole! What a workout for the jaws, though... ;D > > >>Darn! I was gonna post a recipe for this, which had been in >>my inbox for maybe TWO years, and now I can't find it. (I was >>cleaning up. :-( ) > > > Well, if you find it, please post it! I know where I can buy > (frozen) beef tendon, but have never tried cooking it myself. > > Ariane Lemme see if I can find it.... I smartly searched my mailboxes, and there it is: (posted by Peter Dy in afa) OK, after a glance at the Chinese recipe, it calls for mixed beef parts, but no lungs, as far as I can see. 2500 g. beef meat 2500 g. beef parts (heart, tongue, [not gonna look up the rest now]) 175 g. red chili oil 175 g. crispy peanuts 2500 g. "lu" sauce [spiced stewing sauce] 150 g. soy sauce 100 g. sesame seed powder [or ground sesame seeds? -- zhi1ma2mian4] 35 g. Sichuan peppercorn powder 10 g. MSG 8 pieces of star anise 5 g. Sichuan peppercorns 10 g. cinammon 125 g. sugar 75 g. "white" alchohol Now I know one place I will go to while my daughter is on vacation: my favorite Sichuan restaurant. (She was so disagreeable the last time we went that I am not taking her again.) I need my Sichuan noodles and fu qi fei pian!!!! It's possible I can find one more recipe for this.... -- Jean B. |
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