On Fri 12 Aug 2005 06:26:21p, Sheryl Rosen wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Goomba38 at wrote on 8/12/05 9:45 AM:
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly!
>>> I'm changing the way I make brownies for the long haul. If the texture
>>> and flavor doesn't suffer by using half butter/half margarine--why not?
>>> If they were not as good, I'd go back to butter, no problem.
>>
>> There is that transfat thing to worry about though. They've found
>> margarine is not a very healthy fat to eat.
>> Goomba
>
> But once it melts, is it still a trans-fat?

This is just a guess, but since there are some liquid oils that contain
trans-fats, I believe once a trans-fat always a trans-fat. I don't think
solid or melted makes a difference. It's a chemical thing.

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Wayne Boatwright *¿*
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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:56:10 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> connected the dots and wrote:

~In article >, group wrote:
~
~> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:35:34 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
~> > connected the dots and wrote:
~>
~> ~In article >, "Hairy"
~> > wrote:
~(snippage)
~> ~> > They are in the oven, about half-way done.
~> ~
~> ~> You remind me of my elderly inlaws. They'll drive 40 miles to
buy
~> gas
~> ~> that is 1 or 2 cents per gallon cheaper than local.:-)
~
~> ~>
~> ~> Dave
~> ~
~> ~Huh? What'd she say to make you say that? What'd I miss?
~>
~> I think it was Sheryl's "!!!! at the price of butter. Especially
~> since you warn folks not to substitute.
~
~OK.
~No, I just say not to complain to me about it if you do and the
brownies
~don't turn out. I've been caught making them with a stick of
margarine
~when I'm shy on butter. The earth is still spinning. :-0) 99% of
the
~time, though, I do use unsalted butter. It was $2.79/lb. at the
~supermarket when I bought a pound yesterday. :-0)
~>
~> I played around with your recipe after a few batches, and came up
with
~> an almond version folks who've tasted them like a lot.
~
~Well, let's hear it, Voman.
~
~> maxine in ri

You mean...share??8-0 Found it! originally typed into the old
computer, and lost with the hard drive. I think it's a combination of
the KA Whole Wheat flour brownies and yours. Or maybe it's just mine.

Definately time to type it in again. The only copy I still have has
been drizzled over.

Chocolate Almond Brownies

1 cup whole wheat flour
2 cups ganulated sugar
3/4 cup unsweetened cocoa powder
1/2 cup coarse ground almonds
1/2 cup fine ground almonds
1/4 teaspoon salt, optional
1 stick butter, melted
1/4 cup vegetable oil
3 large eggs
1/2 teaspoon vanilla extract
1/2 teaspoon almond extract

Preheat oven to 350F

In a large glass bowl, melt butter mixed with oil in the microwave,
about 5 minutes on half-power.

maxine in ri
Add flour, sugar, cocoa, ground almonds and salt. Stir to combine.
Add eggs, one at a time, stirring after each addition. Add extracts,
stir until mixed

Scrape batter into 9" x 9" pan greased or lined with parchment paper.
Bake 30 minutes. Allow them to cool, then store in refrigerator for
an hour before cutting.

If you like them less fudgy, add 5-10 minutes to the baking time.

On 11 Aug 2005 20:22:43 -0700, "Alexis" >
connected the dots and wrote:

~
~Hairy wrote:
~> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
~> ...
~> > In article >, "Hairy"
~> > > wrote:
~> >
~> > > "Sheryl Rosen" > wrote in message
~> > > ...
~> > > > I have to make 2 13x9" pans of brownies Saturday. (As Barb
~> > > > says---boys and girls! One with nuts, one without)
~> > > >
~> > > > The recipe I use is basically Barb's, minus the baking soda.
Which
~> > > > means each pan uses half a pound (2 sticks) of butter and 4
ounces
~> > > > of unsweetened chocolate. (also 2 cups sugar, 4 eggs, and a
few
~> > > > other things, too).
~> > > >
~> > > > Butter is nearly $4 a pound this week!!!!
~> > > >
~> > > > I know what to expect with cookies when subbing margarine for
~> > > > butter...cookies with butter tend to be flatter, a little
crisper,
~> > > > margarine in cookies yields a higher, slightly more tender
cookie.
~> > > > Butter flavor Crisco is actually my choice for chocolate chip
and
~> > > > oatmeal raisin cookies, because I like a taller,crunchy
cookie and
~> > > > that yields the best result for my taste. But brownies? I
had no
~> > > > idea what the difference would be, texture-wise, between the
two
~> > > > fats.
~> > > >
~> > > > My thought to economize slightly on the brownies was to use 1
stick
~> > > > of butter and one stick of margarine per pan. (rather than 2
sticks
~> > > > of butter).
~> > > >
~> > > > I searched and searched on the web and couldn't find any
~> > > > documentation on this subject: the effects of butter vs.
margarine
~> > > > on brownies. Plenty on cookies, but nothing on Brownies.
~> > > >
~> > > > So after nearly an hour of Googling...I decided to do
something
~> > > > drastic. I made a half-batch of my regular brownie recipe,
and used
~> > > > half butter and half margarine.
~> > > >
~> > > > They are in the oven, about half-way done.
~> >
~> > > You remind me of my elderly inlaws. They'll drive 40 miles to
buy gas
~> > > that is 1 or 2 cents per gallon cheaper than local.:-)
~> >
~> > >
~> > > Dave
~> >
~> > Huh? What'd she say to make you say that? What'd I miss?
~> >
~> > Barb
~>
~> Her first post in this thread, apparently. Her expressed intent was
to save
~> less than 2 dollars by substituting two sticks of margarine for two
sticks
~> of butter. She then baked a half batch of brownies to see if it
would work
~> as well. All things considered, how much did she save?
~>
~> Dave
~
~
~Short term perhaps not much, but long term her savings could be
~significant -- especially if she bakes brownies frequently. Watch
the
~pennies and the pounds take care of themselves.
~
~Alexis

If you're making a lot of batches of brownie, the pounds sure will
take care of themselves...and you!

maxine in ri

Sheryl Rosen wrote:

>>There is that transfat thing to worry about though. They've found
>>margarine is not a very healthy fat to eat.
>>Goomba
>
>
> But once it melts, is it still a trans-fat?

Yes. Very much so, and still very bad for you from what I have read.
Goomba

When I bake chocolate chip cookies, which I haven't done all summer
because we don't have air conditioning, just fans, I always use 1 stick
of butter and 1 stick of margarine. I like they way they turn out.

TammyM wrote:
>
>
> Now stop bugging Margaret and making her sound like a lush, she's
> merely a woman of grace and style :-)
>
> TammyM
\

Thank you, Tammy. I'll drink to that!!!!!

Sheldon wrote:
> Margaret Suran wrote:
>
>>The air conditioning in our building is out. It is the second hottest
>>day of the year and I do not know what to cook. Most likely, I will
>>only heat up the boiled beef with potatoes and vegetables and ice
>>coffee and a Baba au Rum for Marcel. I will have a cold sandwich,
>>bologna on toasted nine grain bread. It is hot in my apartment.
>
>
> No A/C sounds like the perfect excuse to go out for Chinese.
>
>
>>I am having a nice glass of Scotch, with lots and lots of ice.
>
>
> Wouldn't that be a glass of nice Scotch... ok, a big glass of nice
> Scotch.
>
> Sheldon
>

For more years than I want to count, there has not been a really good
Chinese restaurant in my immediate neighborhood. There were so many
when I first moved here in 1977. There was a wonderful little
inexpensive Mama/Papa one right across the street, The Szechuan
Kitchen, but the building was torn down and a high rise was built.
The new rent would have been much too high for the owners of that
place and they moved into another building, into a place that only has
a kitchen and a counter for ordering and paying, where they cook a
limited amount of their most popular dishes for take-out and for
delivery only. I order from them at times, but I really prefer to go
out for dinner.

Shun Lee West, both the regular restaurant and their Dim Sum Cafe are
still my favorites, but they are on the other side of the city. They
are worth the trip, but I rarely go there now.

As for the nice glass of Scotch, everything about it was nice. )

"Margaret Suran" > wrote

> As for the nice glass of Scotch, everything about it was nice. )

All I want to know is ... do you have A/C yet?

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> "Margaret Suran" > wrote
>
>
>>As for the nice glass of Scotch, everything about it was nice. )
>
>
> All I want to know is ... do you have A/C yet?
>
> nancy
>
>
Thank you, Nancy, yes it came back yesterday around noon time. Since
the building was without any A/C for something like two days, it took
quite a while for the apartment to get comfortably cool. It was so
warm in spite of the A/C, I went to the bridge club and spent the
afternoon there. Marcel and I won about $25.00 (he played and I
kibitzed) and by the time I got home, the place was nice and cool.

Marcel and I had assorted Wuerstel for dinner, Bratwurst, Bauernwurst,
Weisswurst and Knackwurst with a really good potato salad from
Fairway's. We also had fresh corn on the cob and Marcel had a
Millefoglie for dessert from Agata & Valentina, with iced coffee.
There were also crispy crunchy Portuguese rolls with Brie and Italian
Fontina and fresh, ripe figs. Marcel had Cantaloupe instead of the
figs. He had a glass of beer and I had a nice glass of Scotch. )

Keep cool and take care, M

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:13:06 -0400, Margaret Suran
> wrote:

>
>
>TammyM wrote:
>>
>>
>> Now stop bugging Margaret and making her sound like a lush, she's
>> merely a woman of grace and style :-)
>>
>> TammyM
>\
>
>Thank you, Tammy. I'll drink to that!!!!!
>
You're welcome, m'lady :-) I'll join you with a pert gin and tonic,
hold the tonic :-)))))))

TammyM

TammyM wrote:

>>
>
> You're welcome, m'lady :-) I'll join you with a pert gin and tonic,
> hold the tonic :-)))))))
>
> TammyM

You should join Barbara with the Gin and Tonic. That is her favorite
drink now, after only liking Manhattans before. )

Prosit! M

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:49:04 GMT, "Syssi" >
wrote:

>
>"TammyM" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:13:06 -0400, Margaret Suran
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>TammyM wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now stop bugging Margaret and making her sound like a lush, she's
>>>> merely a woman of grace and style :-)
>>>>
>>>> TammyM
>>>\
>>>
>>>Thank you, Tammy. I'll drink to that!!!!!
>>>
>> You're welcome, m'lady :-) I'll join you with a pert gin and tonic,
>> hold the tonic :-)))))))
>>
>> TammyM
>==============
>
>Ya know... if you had a little sour mix I'm thinking a Tom Collins or Salty
>Dog would be really tasty today...
>
>Syssi
>(who thinks Gin should never be served by itself - it likes company - it
>told me so)


OK! It also likes Meyer lemon juice and cointreau -- it's then called
a Delilah. Unfortunately, my lemons aren't ready yet.

TammyM, make it Bombay Sapphire

"TammyM" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:13:06 -0400, Margaret Suran
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>TammyM wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Now stop bugging Margaret and making her sound like a lush, she's
>>> merely a woman of grace and style :-)
>>>
>>> TammyM
>>\
>>
>>Thank you, Tammy. I'll drink to that!!!!!
>>
> You're welcome, m'lady :-) I'll join you with a pert gin and tonic,
> hold the tonic :-)))))))
>
> TammyM
==============

Ya know... if you had a little sour mix I'm thinking a Tom Collins or Salty
Dog would be really tasty today...

Syssi
(who thinks Gin should never be served by itself - it likes company - it
told me so)

"TammyM" <&"Syssi" <>>>>> Now stop bugging Margaret and making her sound
like a lush, she's
>>>>> merely a woman of grace and style :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> TammyM
>>>>\
>>>>
>>>>Thank you, Tammy. I'll drink to that!!!!!
>>>>
>>> You're welcome, m'lady :-) I'll join you with a pert gin and tonic,
>>> hold the tonic :-)))))))
>>>
>>> TammyM
>>==============
>>
>>Ya know... if you had a little sour mix I'm thinking a Tom Collins or
>>Salty
>>Dog would be really tasty today...
>>
>>Syssi
>>(who thinks Gin should never be served by itself - it likes company - it
>>told me so)
>
>
> OK! It also likes Meyer lemon juice and cointreau -- it's then called
> a Delilah. Unfortunately, my lemons aren't ready yet.
>
> TammyM, make it Bombay Sapphire
=========

Yummmmmmmmmmm. That sounds good too. I love Meyer Lemons - no matter what
the form!

TammyM wrote:

> You're welcome, m'lady :-) I'll join you with a pert gin and tonic,
> hold the tonic :-)))))))
>
> TammyM

Oh yeah.. G&T's are my favorite also. But have you tried a good Mojito?
I have discovered them also and love the crisp brightness of them.
Goomba

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:16:42 -0400, Goomba38 >
wrote:

>TammyM wrote:
>
>> You're welcome, m'lady :-) I'll join you with a pert gin and tonic,
>> hold the tonic :-)))))))
>>
>> TammyM
>
>Oh yeah.. G&T's are my favorite also. But have you tried a good Mojito?
>I have discovered them also and love the crisp brightness of them.
>Goomba

Ooooooooo, I've not! What's in a Mojito? (yeah, I could google, but
I'd rather talk to Goomba!) I'm also very very fond of Gimlets. And
margaritas on the rocks. And ... hmmmm. Barb will be lampooning me
for lushness soon :-)

I sat out on my porch last night in my rocking chair reading until
midnight and sipping G&Ts. Plural. The book is called "My Year of
Meats" and it's very good.

TammyM, latent lush (ok, not so latent!)

p.s. Have you ever heard of a book called "The Night the Bear Ate the
Goomba"? My great grandmother used the word Goomba to mean "the
boogeyman". As in "The GOOMBA is going to get you if you're not
good!" So the word Goomba kind of still gives me the shivvers, 40-odd
years later!!!

"Syssi" > wrote in message
news:AgrLe.4942$Al5.4199@trnddc04...
>
> "TammyM" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:13:06 -0400, Margaret Suran
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>TammyM wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now stop bugging Margaret and making her sound like a lush, she's
>>>> merely a woman of grace and style :-)
>>>>
>>>> TammyM
>>>\
>>>
>>>Thank you, Tammy. I'll drink to that!!!!!
>>>
>> You're welcome, m'lady :-) I'll join you with a pert gin and tonic,
>> hold the tonic :-)))))))
>>
>> TammyM
> ==============
>
> Ya know... if you had a little sour mix I'm thinking a Tom Collins or
> Salty Dog would be really tasty today...
>
> Syssi
> (who thinks Gin should never be served by itself - it likes company - it
> told me so)
I like a Southern Comfort Manhattan!

MoM

maxine in ri at wrote on 8/12/05 9:49 PM:

> On 11 Aug 2005 20:22:43 -0700, "Alexis" >
> connected the dots and wrote:
>
> ~Short term perhaps not much, but long term her savings could be
> ~significant -- especially if she bakes brownies frequently. Watch
> the
> ~pennies and the pounds take care of themselves.
> ~
> ~Alexis
>
> If you're making a lot of batches of brownie, the pounds sure will
> take care of themselves...and you!
>
> maxine in ri

Ahhhh---that's why I give mine away!!!!
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