I've been following the previous cooktop thread, and also doing some
research in preparation for buying a new gas cooktop. The one I have
now is an O'Keefe and Merritt 4-burner, circa 1957 (?) It is a PITA
to clean. It has one high-power burner, I've no clue what are the
BTUs on that baby.

From what little online research I've done (and I'm about to embark on
an in-person research expedition to the local "established in 1937"
appliance store), it would seem that cost goes up significantly for
cooktops that have a 15K BTU burner. Aside from wok cooking for which
I can understand that big fire power is desirable, is there a
compelling reason to spend the extra dosh to get a CT with a 15KBTU
burner? Or would something in the 11-12.5K range do me just ducky?
All of the medium price-range cooktops I've looked at with less than
the 15kBTUer have low simmer burners (and that strikes me as an
advantage that every cook here would enjoy!), closed burners (hoooooo
boy, does that seem like a huge advantage to me after cleaning my
present cooktop for 10 years!!!), and continuous dishwashable grates.

So. What say ye? Is 15K BTU overkill, or absolutely necessary for
any cook worth her salt?

TammyM, not looking to spend money unnecessarily!

"TammyM" > wrote in message
...
> I've been following the previous cooktop thread, and also doing some
> research in preparation for buying a new gas cooktop. The one I have
> now is an O'Keefe and Merritt 4-burner, circa 1957 (?) It is a PITA
> to clean. It has one high-power burner, I've no clue what are the
> BTUs on that baby.
>
> From what little online research I've done (and I'm about to embark on
> an in-person research expedition to the local "established in 1937"
> appliance store), it would seem that cost goes up significantly for
> cooktops that have a 15K BTU burner. Aside from wok cooking for which
> I can understand that big fire power is desirable, is there a
> compelling reason to spend the extra dosh to get a CT with a 15KBTU
> burner? Or would something in the 11-12.5K range do me just ducky?
> All of the medium price-range cooktops I've looked at with less than
> the 15kBTUer have low simmer burners (and that strikes me as an
> advantage that every cook here would enjoy!), closed burners (hoooooo
> boy, does that seem like a huge advantage to me after cleaning my
> present cooktop for 10 years!!!), and continuous dishwashable grates.
>
> So. What say ye? Is 15K BTU overkill, or absolutely necessary for
> any cook worth her salt?
>
> TammyM, not looking to spend money unnecessarily!

There is no finite answer to your question. The average burner today is about
9300 BTU. One of the burners on my cooktop is 11,000. 15K sure why not? The
answer is how quick do you want to heat water? How quick do you want the water
to recover to the boiling point? How much cooking do you do in a wok? Do you
like Blackened food in an old cast iron pan? How much cooking do you do fro a
crowd? Do you use a Dutch Oven as a Deep Fat Fryer?

Dimitri

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:22:41 GMT, TammyM wrote:

> So. What say ye? Is 15K BTU overkill, or absolutely necessary for
> any cook worth her salt?

I don't use gas... but as far as I can tell, a lot of people like that
kind of heat when they are wok cooking; however I manage wok cooking
very nicely on my old electric cooktop.

As said previously, it depends on your cooking habits. And by the way,
real wok cooking burners put out more like 24K BTUs. But for the normal
home, wok cooking is best with the highest BTU output you have.

But besides wok cooking, how much boiling of liquids do you do? For
example for things like pasta, jelly/jam making, etc. I have a 5 burner
gas cooktop with one 17.5K BTU burner. I love it but it's not used
daily. But when it's needed, nothing else comes close. I'm glad I have
it and would miss it if I didn't have it.

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:22:41 GMT, (TammyM) wrote:

snip

>From what little online research I've done (and I'm about to embark on
>an in-person research expedition to the local "established in 1937"
>appliance store), it would seem that cost goes up significantly for
>cooktops that have a 15K BTU burner.

Go look and pick out 2 or 3 cook tops that you like...and then do more
research. I went to at least 4 different places to compare products
and prices...and I did research on the Web. I was amazed at the
differences in pricing on the same things.

> Aside from wok cooking for which
>I can understand that big fire power is desirable, is there a
>compelling reason to spend the extra dosh to get a CT with a 15KBTU
>burner?

IMO, no. It's nice to have..and I use it for some things, but if I
didn't have it, I'd still be able to boil a pot of water or
stirfry...as I did for years before I got the new CT.

> Or would something in the 11-12.5K range do me just ducky?

Sure...it would be just fine.

>All of the medium price-range cooktops I've looked at with less than
>the 15kBTUer have low simmer burners (and that strikes me as an
>advantage that every cook here would enjoy!), closed burners (hoooooo
>boy, does that seem like a huge advantage to me after cleaning my
>present cooktop for 10 years!!!), and continuous dishwashable grates.

When I was shopping for my new appliances, the 36"- 5 burner cook tops
that had the features I wanted..simmer burners...sealed
burners..continuous grates that were dishwasher safe..were all in the
same price range. I didn't have a lot of choices... But that was
over a year ago and I would guess there are more choices and better
prices available today.
>
>So. What say ye? Is 15K BTU overkill, or absolutely necessary for
>any cook worth her salt?
>
Nope! Does it boil a stock pot full of water faster? Sure..but that's
not a serious cooking issue, IMO. Can I do wok cooking? Yes, but I was
doing some pretty good wok cooking on my old cook top that didn't have
15K BTU's...

It's all a question of what's important and budget. I had to spend a
lot for the features I wanted...but you might not have to spend that
much with the new choices available today.

Debra

TammyM wrote:
> I've been following the previous cooktop thread, and also doing some
> research in preparation for buying a new gas cooktop. The one I have
> now is an O'Keefe and Merritt 4-burner, circa 1957 (?) It is a PITA
> to clean. It has one high-power burner, I've no clue what are the
> BTUs on that baby.
>
> From what little online research I've done (and I'm about to embark on
> an in-person research expedition to the local "established in 1937"
> appliance store), it would seem that cost goes up significantly for
> cooktops that have a 15K BTU burner. Aside from wok cooking for which
> I can understand that big fire power is desirable, is there a
> compelling reason to spend the extra dosh to get a CT with a 15KBTU
> burner? Or would something in the 11-12.5K range do me just ducky?
> All of the medium price-range cooktops I've looked at with less than
> the 15kBTUer have low simmer burners (and that strikes me as an
> advantage that every cook here would enjoy!), closed burners (hoooooo
> boy, does that seem like a huge advantage to me after cleaning my
> present cooktop for 10 years!!!), and continuous dishwashable grates.
>
> So. What say ye? Is 15K BTU overkill, or absolutely necessary for
> any cook worth her salt?
>
> TammyM, not looking to spend money unnecessarily!


I have a Kenmore gas stove with 4 sealed burners that I paid about $400
for a few years ago; one of them is a little "simmer" burner and one of
them is a high-output burner that I think is 12000 BTU's. I use those 2
burners a lot more than the 2 normal burners. The high-output burner is
nice even when you have it turned down low for coooking with big
stockpots, 12" skillets, etc. because it spreads the heat over a larger
area.

A 15000 BTU burner (or even 18000) would be nice, but I wouldn't pay
very much extra for it.

Bob

TammyM wrote:

> So. What say ye? Is 15K BTU overkill, or absolutely necessary for
> any cook worth her salt?
>
> TammyM, not looking to spend money unnecessarily!

I have a new range with a high-power (17K) burner and a simmer burner.
I use the high power burner quite a bit. In addition to the obvious
advantages for stir-frying and boiling water, it is nice for pan-frying
meats because it vaporizes the juices quickly so the meat gets a nice
browing without sitting in water. Same with vegetables. I haven't used
the simmer burner at all but will at some point. However, I wasn't as
anxious for that because I'd always used a flame diffuser and had no
trouble with low heat items. I did notice that the flame on all of the
burners on the new stove go way down without going out as well.

So, IMO, the high power burner is worth it. Although let's face it, we
can make do with whatever we have :>

But the real reason I picked out this model stove is for the triple
burner, which extends from the front to the back. It consisists of
three 9K burners that can be used in the configurations of 1 front
single, 1 back single, middle plus back double burner (18K), or all
three on at once. I debated between a range with a second (smaller)
full-service oven but no triple burner, or this model with a warming
drawer. I picked this one because I always hated the cold spot in the
middle of my two-burner spanning griddle. I call the triple burner my
"pancake burner" because that's what I use it for.

The installation guy said it's a popular model with Chinese people
because of the 27K burner, but don't get it because the 27K is spread
out and not focused on one spot.

TammyM wrote:
>
> So. What say ye? Is 15K BTU overkill, or absolutely necessary
> for any cook worth her salt?

If a man is paying for it, it's absolutely necessary.
Think of the humilation of having only a 12K burner
if somebody else you know has 15K.

>
I have a Viking with 4 different strength burners. I appreciate them
all, but I do wok.
As for pasta, or any other boiling liquid, I have a "cook's choice"
electric kettle that whumps ass in the boiling water department, and
I usually get a pot hot on the stove with a finger full of water, and
just keep adding the boiling pots of water from the kettle. I have timed
it and it is HALF the time even on a hot burner....keeps the kitchen
cooler, as well.
I urge others to consider.
blacksalt

Sadly, it is never the burner, it is what one does with the burners!
From an electric stove to gas as recently as 3 years ago, it sure is
nice. It is an average GE gas stove. The trick to duplicating good
Chinese food from the restaurants is not the amount of heat but the
magic of ingredients go into the "fire" that you are able to duplciate
the flavour of the dish.



Dimitri wrote:
>
> "TammyM" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I've been following the previous cooktop thread, and also doing some
> > research in preparation for buying a new gas cooktop. The one I have
> > now is an O'Keefe and Merritt 4-burner, circa 1957 (?) It is a PITA
> > to clean. It has one high-power burner, I've no clue what are the
> > BTUs on that baby.
> >
> > From what little online research I've done (and I'm about to embark on
> > an in-person research expedition to the local "established in 1937"
> > appliance store), it would seem that cost goes up significantly for
> > cooktops that have a 15K BTU burner. Aside from wok cooking for which
> > I can understand that big fire power is desirable, is there a
> > compelling reason to spend the extra dosh to get a CT with a 15KBTU
> > burner? Or would something in the 11-12.5K range do me just ducky?
> > All of the medium price-range cooktops I've looked at with less than
> > the 15kBTUer have low simmer burners (and that strikes me as an
> > advantage that every cook here would enjoy!), closed burners (hoooooo
> > boy, does that seem like a huge advantage to me after cleaning my
> > present cooktop for 10 years!!!), and continuous dishwashable grates.
> >
> > So. What say ye? Is 15K BTU overkill, or absolutely necessary for
> > any cook worth her salt?
> >
> > TammyM, not looking to spend money unnecessarily!
>
> There is no finite answer to your question. The average burner today is about
> 9300 BTU. One of the burners on my cooktop is 11,000. 15K sure why not? The
> answer is how quick do you want to heat water? How quick do you want the water
> to recover to the boiling point? How much cooking do you do in a wok? Do you
> like Blackened food in an old cast iron pan? How much cooking do you do fro a
> crowd? Do you use a Dutch Oven as a Deep Fat Fryer?
>
> Dimitri

"Bock" > wrote in message
...
> Sadly, it is never the burner, it is what one does with the burners!
> From an electric stove to gas as recently as 3 years ago, it sure is
> nice. It is an average GE gas stove. The trick to duplicating good
> Chinese food from the restaurants is not the amount of heat but the
> magic of ingredients go into the "fire" that you are able to duplciate
> the flavour of the dish.

Bullshit: read the minimum BTU requirements recommended fro the different Wok
sizes.

http://www.thaifoodandtravel.com/features/wok1.html

Dimitri

"Bock" > wrote in message
...
> Sadly, it is never the burner, it is what one does with the burners!
> From an electric stove to gas as recently as 3 years ago, it sure is
> nice. It is an average GE gas stove. The trick to duplicating good
> Chinese food from the restaurants is not the amount of heat but the
> magic of ingredients go into the "fire" that you are able to duplciate
> the flavour of the dish.

In addition:

http://www.foodventure.com/Book_FirePower.htm


Dimitri

Curly Sue wrote:

> The installation guy said it's a popular model with Chinese people
> because of the 27K burner, but don't get it because the 27K is spread
> out and not focused on one spot.

Ooops, that should have been "...27K burner, but I don't get it" (i.e.,
I don't understand)!

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:57:19 GMT, RoR wrote:

> I bought the Jenn-Aire 36" cook top. It has:
> a 36" Sealed Burner Gas Cook top. One 9,200/9,000 BTU Burner (Left Rear), Two 5,000/4,000
> BTU Burner (Left Front and Right Rear), One 15,000/14,000 BTU Burner(Center), One
> 12,500/10,500 BU Burner (Right Front)
>
> I love it. It has a good combination of BTU burners, so I can do what I want when I want.
> As I said before, the only thing I wish it had was a way to bridge two burners with a
> grill.

It sounds like Curly Sue has the ultimate answer to that "cold spot".
Her 3 burners are a real selling point!

My "old" electric cooktop (not a stove) has a double (bbq)
grill/griddle arrangement built into the middle, so I don't care that
my stovetop griddle/grill has a cold spot. However, it's old and
should be updated. Unfortunately, all the new (electric)
configurations I've seen are singles - so I'm not in a hurry to
"update" yet because everything still works.

If I could find a 48" electric cooktop with a double grill - I'd
replace it (I'm one of the "there's absolutely NO WAY will I use gas"
people)... so if anyone knows of one, please let me know. As it is, I
think modular drop-ins are the only way to replicate my current
arrangement. Remember: it's an old house (1926), old/smallish
kitchen configuration and no way to enlarge the kitchen w/o dropping
at least $100K because it's <basically> on the second story.

"Bock" > wrote in message
...
> Sadly, it is never the burner, it is what one does with the burners!
> From an electric stove to gas as recently as 3 years ago, it sure is
> nice. It is an average GE gas stove. The trick to duplicating good
> Chinese food from the restaurants is not the amount of heat but the
> magic of ingredients go into the "fire" that you are able to duplciate
> the flavour of the dish.
>
>
>

True if you exclude wok stir fry. If you include stir fry dishes the amount
of food that you can fry at once (ie the number of serves of a dish you can
put on the table at once) depends directly on the power of the burner.

David

Bock wrote:
> Sadly, it is never the burner, it is what one does with the burners!
> From an electric stove to gas as recently as 3 years ago, it sure is
> nice. It is an average GE gas stove. The trick to duplicating good
> Chinese food from the restaurants is not the amount of heat but the
> magic of ingredients go into the "fire" that you are able to duplciate
> the flavour of the dish.

Actually it's everything... a million BTUs won't help with poor cooking
skills and crappy recipes, but for proper stir frying high heat with
*rapid recovery* is absolutely essential... even the best oriental chef
will turn out little more than wimpy stews without the BTUs, so it IS
the burner too.

Those who claim to turn out great stir frys on their wimpy stove tops
are fooling themselve but they're not fooling me... even 1500BTUs isn't
close to enough unless you do stir fry one cup at a time. I can
prepare a lot of good Chinese dishes with my ordinary stove top (chow
mein, all sorts of soups, shrimp in lobster sauce etc.) but not stir
fry... can't do fried rice without at least 30,000BTUs... okay,
with 1500BTUs you can make one cup at a time. Trying to stir fry with
only 15,000BTUs is like trying to toast a marshmallow with a match.

Anyone going to spend big bucks for any conventional stove because they
think it will do wok cooking is doing mental masturbation.

Sheldon

Top posting!
Thanks to everyone who responded, I appreciate your input. Like Curly
Sue, burner configuration is important to me -- the one I'm leaning
toward has 3 burners across the back. Like Debra Fritz, I'm really
thinking that huge fire power would not be used sufficient to warrant
the extra expense. I'm probably going to spend every penny saved
(plus quite a few pennies on top of that!) an over-the-cooktop
microwave (with vent) AND on my new countertops. No new cabinetry at
this time, unless I win the lottery :-)

Thanks again, everyone!
TammyM, scheming and dreaming of her newish kitchen

p.s. to Squidboy: the only person paying for this kitchen is moi -
there's no pathetic male with burner envy in the picture here ;-)


On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:22:41 GMT, (TammyM) wrote:

>I've been following the previous cooktop thread, and also doing some
>research in preparation for buying a new gas cooktop. The one I have
>now is an O'Keefe and Merritt 4-burner, circa 1957 (?) It is a PITA
>to clean. It has one high-power burner, I've no clue what are the
>BTUs on that baby.
>
>From what little online research I've done (and I'm about to embark on
>an in-person research expedition to the local "established in 1937"
>appliance store), it would seem that cost goes up significantly for
>cooktops that have a 15K BTU burner. Aside from wok cooking for which
>I can understand that big fire power is desirable, is there a
>compelling reason to spend the extra dosh to get a CT with a 15KBTU
>burner? Or would something in the 11-12.5K range do me just ducky?
>All of the medium price-range cooktops I've looked at with less than
>the 15kBTUer have low simmer burners (and that strikes me as an
>advantage that every cook here would enjoy!), closed burners (hoooooo
>boy, does that seem like a huge advantage to me after cleaning my
>present cooktop for 10 years!!!), and continuous dishwashable grates.
>
>So. What say ye? Is 15K BTU overkill, or absolutely necessary for
>any cook worth her salt?
>
>TammyM, not looking to spend money unnecessarily!

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:36:58 GMT, Dog3 > wrote:

(TammyM) wrote in :
>
>> Top posting!
>> Thanks to everyone who responded, I appreciate your input. Like Curly
>> Sue, burner configuration is important to me -- the one I'm leaning
>> toward has 3 burners across the back. Like Debra Fritz, I'm really
>> thinking that huge fire power would not be used sufficient to warrant
>> the extra expense. I'm probably going to spend every penny saved
>> (plus quite a few pennies on top of that!) an over-the-cooktop
>> microwave (with vent) AND on my new countertops. No new cabinetry at
>> this time, unless I win the lottery :-)
>
>Tammy, just got in on this thread. Congrats on your decision. *sigh*, I
>want new everything in the kitchen but it's not in the cards right now. I
>do have a question for you. What made you decide on the over-the-cooktop
>microwave (with vent)? I've heard really bad things about them and I've
>heard really good things about them. I would really like to put one in,
>but don't want the waste the $ if I'm going to be unhappy with it. I would
>really, really like to free up the counter space the current nuker hogs up.

I have the most pathetic hood in the hood :-) It doesn't work AT ALL.
And it looks cheesy. I could forgive it for looking cheesy if it
WORKED! A friend of mine has the MW-vent thing, and it works great,
and it's SO convenient having the MW and the CT in the same place.
Plus it frees up counterspace - I have the wooly mammoth of
microwaves. It was my grandmother's, and is 20-ish years old. I am
really looking forward to more counterspace. I use my MW for a lot
more than popcorn and leftovers, and I'm looking forward to enjoying
the innovations in MWs compared to my Pleistocene era MW ;-)
(note to Grandma: I have really appreciated that MW all these years,
so please don't think I'm ungrateful! ;-) )

Michael, the MW I'm looking at is the GE Profile. I don't know the
model number but it does everything but sashay through the kitchen in
a French maid's outfit :-)

>> Thanks again, everyone!
>> TammyM, scheming and dreaming of her newish kitchen
>>
>> p.s. to Squidboy: the only person paying for this kitchen is moi -
>> there's no pathetic male with burner envy in the picture here ;-)
>
>I have burner envy, big time =;o)

It ain't the size, baby, it's what you do with it :-))))))))))))))))

TammyM wrote on 20 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking

> Michael, the MW I'm looking at is the GE Profile. I don't know the
> model number but it does everything but sashay through the kitchen in
> a French maid's outfit :-)
>

I recently (about 2 yrs ago) got a microwave/convection oven. It is used
as an additional oven plus as a toaster oven kinda thingie. I find a
regular toaster makes better toast and the Combo microwave is better at
cooking and warming things. The regular toaster being smaller than a
toaster oven is what ggains me a little more counter space.

I replaced my old stove with a new one. The new one with the convection
oven is what drove the microwave purchase. The new oven isn't large
enough to do family holiday feast baking/roasting. The new convection
oven cooks well but is way smaller than the older conventional oven.

--
The eyes are the mirrors....
But the ears...Ah the ears.
The ears keep the hat up.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:50:19 GMT, (TammyM) wrote:

>Top posting!
>Thanks to everyone who responded, I appreciate your input. Like Curly
>Sue, burner configuration is important to me -- the one I'm leaning
>toward has 3 burners across the back. Like Debra Fritz, I'm really
>thinking that huge fire power would not be used sufficient to warrant
>the extra expense. I'm probably going to spend every penny saved
>(plus quite a few pennies on top of that!) an over-the-cooktop
>microwave (with vent) AND on my new countertops. No new cabinetry at
>this time, unless I win the lottery :-)
>
>Thanks again, everyone!
>TammyM, scheming and dreaming of her newish kitchen
>
>p.s. to Squidboy: the only person paying for this kitchen is moi -
>there's no pathetic male with burner envy in the picture here ;-)
>
>
Make sure that the over the cook top MW is convenient for you to get
to and get hot things out of. Also check that there is enough room
for large pots on the cook top.

Susan R.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:50:19 GMT, TammyM wrote:

> Top posting!
> Thanks to everyone who responded, I appreciate your input. Like Curly
> Sue, burner configuration is important to me -- the one I'm leaning
> toward has 3 burners across the back. Like Debra Fritz, I'm really
> thinking that huge fire power would not be used sufficient to warrant
> the extra expense. I'm probably going to spend every penny saved
> (plus quite a few pennies on top of that!) an over-the-cooktop
> microwave (with vent) AND on my new countertops. No new cabinetry at
> this time, unless I win the lottery :-)
>
> Thanks again, everyone!
> TammyM, scheming and dreaming of her newish kitchen
>
If you're going for granite, be sure to do your homework. You won't
believe the number of places that sell prefinished slabs at low, low
prices! You're looking at less than $300 per 2 x 8 foot slab with
full bullnose.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:20:17 GMT, David Hare-Scott wrote:

>
> "Bock" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Sadly, it is never the burner, it is what one does with the burners!
> > From an electric stove to gas as recently as 3 years ago, it sure is
> > nice. It is an average GE gas stove. The trick to duplicating good
> > Chinese food from the restaurants is not the amount of heat but the
> > magic of ingredients go into the "fire" that you are able to duplciate
> > the flavour of the dish.
> >
> >
> >
>
> True if you exclude wok stir fry. If you include stir fry dishes the amount
> of food that you can fry at once (ie the number of serves of a dish you can
> put on the table at once) depends directly on the power of the burner.
>
And the size of the wok.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:35:02 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:50:19 GMT, TammyM wrote:
>
>> Top posting!
>> Thanks to everyone who responded, I appreciate your input. Like Curly
>> Sue, burner configuration is important to me -- the one I'm leaning
>> toward has 3 burners across the back. Like Debra Fritz, I'm really
>> thinking that huge fire power would not be used sufficient to warrant
>> the extra expense. I'm probably going to spend every penny saved
>> (plus quite a few pennies on top of that!) an over-the-cooktop
>> microwave (with vent) AND on my new countertops. No new cabinetry at
>> this time, unless I win the lottery :-)
>>
>> Thanks again, everyone!
>> TammyM, scheming and dreaming of her newish kitchen
>>
>If you're going for granite, be sure to do your homework. You won't
>believe the number of places that sell prefinished slabs at low, low
>prices! You're looking at less than $300 per 2 x 8 foot slab with
>full bullnose.

Now that's VERY interesting. (by the by, before yesterday I wouldn't
have known what "bullnose" meant!) So, who does the measuring and
cutting, etc and installation. I'm looking at Home Depot, and they do
everything. For a premium price of course! The granite I'm looking
at costs $80/sq ft. 10% discount brings it down to $72/foot. The
Silestone I'm looking at costs $75/sq foot. It'll be about $3K for my
countertops.

TELL ME MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TammyM, idea rich, pocketbook not-so-rich :-)

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:44:15 GMT, TammyM wrote:

> Now that's VERY interesting. (by the by, before yesterday I wouldn't
> have known what "bullnose" meant!) So, who does the measuring and
> cutting, etc and installation.

You do the measuring, *usually* the place you purchase it from does
the rest. We're installing granite downstairs, the cost of a cut -
such as sink - is $80 for an over mount and $100 for an under mount
(they have to polish the inside) and it's done on the spot.

> I'm looking at Home Depot, and they do
> everything. For a premium price of course! The granite I'm looking
> at costs $80/sq ft. 10% discount brings it down to $72/foot. The
> Silestone I'm looking at costs $75/sq foot. It'll be about $3K for my
> countertops.

Ouch!
>
> TELL ME MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Basically, you look for them in the newspaper for ads. We have a lot
of them around here, but most seem to be in the East Bay. The one
we're buying from doesn't even advertise. It's close to my work
place. We stopped in to look at floors and discovered they sold the
granite slabs too. What you give up for the money is considered
"character", so if you want all the veins and swirls you'll have slim
pickins. The flip side of that coin is the "grain" is very easy to
match.

I'm not sure what Silestone is (natural or manufactured), but I
remember looking at a beautiful pink quartz slab years ago. The
salesman told us quartz is harder than granite, but I think granite
will be just fine for my purposes. I'm sure it will outlast me and
will be considered "old fashioned" in a decade anyway.

What floor are you going with? After some wavering, we've settled on
bamboo. It's pre-finished tongue & groove, a renewable resource and
very durable... and the price is right too: $2.29 per sq foot.

"sf" > wrote

> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:44:15 GMT, TammyM wrote:

>> TELL ME MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> I'm not sure what Silestone is (natural or manufactured), but I
> remember looking at a beautiful pink quartz slab years ago. The
> salesman told us quartz is harder than granite, but I think granite
> will be just fine for my purposes.

I caught that Kitchen Renovation show yesterday, Paula Deen
was the 'designer' ... granite counter tops, of course. First
thing the guy (homeowner) did was say, no need for a
cutting board! and cut right on the granite. Yikes! I just
about jumped out of my skin. Hey, maybe the granite can
take it (I wouldn't try it), but your poor knives!

nancy

TammyM wrote:
> I've been following the previous cooktop thread, and also doing some
> research in preparation for buying a new gas cooktop. The one I have
> now is an O'Keefe and Merritt 4-burner, circa 1957 (?) It is a PITA
> to clean. It has one high-power burner, I've no clue what are the
> BTUs on that baby.
>
> From what little online research I've done (and I'm about to embark on
> an in-person research expedition to the local "established in 1937"
> appliance store), it would seem that cost goes up significantly for
> cooktops that have a 15K BTU burner. Aside from wok cooking for which

15k BTU is not enough for a wok unless you are preparing a spoonful at a
time. The wok burners they use in restaurants are around 80,000 BTU. If
you plan on scaling up to something suitable to use with a wok you also
need to install a suitable ventilation system.

> I can understand that big fire power is desirable, is there a
> compelling reason to spend the extra dosh to get a CT with a 15KBTU
> burner? Or would something in the 11-12.5K range do me just ducky?


A lot depends on what you cook. If you routinely boil large quantities
of water then 15k is nice.


> All of the medium price-range cooktops I've looked at with less than
> the 15kBTUer have low simmer burners (and that strikes me as an
> advantage that every cook here would enjoy!), closed burners (hoooooo
> boy, does that seem like a huge advantage to me after cleaning my
> present cooktop for 10 years!!!), and continuous dishwashable grates.
>
> So. What say ye? Is 15K BTU overkill, or absolutely necessary for
> any cook worth her salt?
>
> TammyM, not looking to spend money unnecessarily!

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:30:19 -0400, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> I caught that Kitchen Renovation show yesterday, Paula Deen
> was the 'designer' ... granite counter tops, of course. First
> thing the guy (homeowner) did was say, no need for a
> cutting board! and cut right on the granite. Yikes! I just
> about jumped out of my skin. Hey, maybe the granite can
> take it (I wouldn't try it), but your poor knives!
>
Agreed... and he'll figure it out sooner or later. I haven't caught
the show yet. Hope I don't miss the outdoor kitchen. It looks
fabulous!

George wrote:
> TammyM wrote:
>
>> I've been following the previous cooktop thread, and also doing some
>> research in preparation for buying a new gas cooktop. The one I have
>> now is an O'Keefe and Merritt 4-burner, circa 1957 (?) It is a PITA
>> to clean. It has one high-power burner, I've no clue what are the
>> BTUs on that baby.
>>
>> From what little online research I've done (and I'm about to embark on
>> an in-person research expedition to the local "established in 1937"
>> appliance store), it would seem that cost goes up significantly for
>> cooktops that have a 15K BTU burner. Aside from wok cooking for which
>
>
> 15k BTU is not enough for a wok unless you are preparing a spoonful at a
> time. The wok burners they use in restaurants are around 80,000 BTU. If
> you plan on scaling up to something suitable to use with a wok you also
> need to install a suitable ventilation system.

I find it hard to believe that one cannot cook suitably at home with a
wok without an 80K burner.

Dog3 wrote:
> (TammyM) wrote in :
>
> > Top posting!
> > Thanks to everyone who responded, I appreciate your input. Like Curly
> > Sue, burner configuration is important to me -- the one I'm leaning
> > toward has 3 burners across the back. Like Debra Fritz, I'm really
> > thinking that huge fire power would not be used sufficient to warrant
> > the extra expense. I'm probably going to spend every penny saved
> > (plus quite a few pennies on top of that!) an over-the-cooktop
> > microwave (with vent) AND on my new countertops. No new cabinetry at
> > this time, unless I win the lottery :-)
>
> Tammy, just got in on this thread. Congrats on your decision. *sigh*, I
> want new everything in the kitchen but it's not in the cards right now. I
> do have a question for you. What made you decide on the over-the-cooktop
> microwave (with vent)? I've heard really bad things about them and I've
> heard really good things about them. I would really like to put one in,
> but don't want the waste the $ if I'm going to be unhappy with it. I would
> really, really like to free up the counter space the current nuker hogs up.
>
>
> >
> > Thanks again, everyone!
> > TammyM, scheming and dreaming of her newish kitchen
> >
> > p.s. to Squidboy: the only person paying for this kitchen is moi -
> > there's no pathetic male with burner envy in the picture here ;-)
>
> I have burner envy, big time =;o)

I'm not going to mention anything about putting it n the back burner.
hehe

Sheldon

sf wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:57:19 GMT, RoR wrote:
>
>
>> I bought the Jenn-Aire 36" cook top. It has:
>> a 36" Sealed Burner Gas Cook top. One 9,200/9,000 BTU Burner (Left Rear), Two 5,000/4,000
>> BTU Burner (Left Front and Right Rear), One 15,000/14,000 BTU Burner(Center), One
>> 12,500/10,500 BU Burner (Right Front)
>>
>> I love it. It has a good combination of BTU burners, so I can do what I want when I want.
>> As I said before, the only thing I wish it had was a way to bridge two burners with a
>> grill.
>
>
> It sounds like Curly Sue has the ultimate answer to that "cold spot".
> Her 3 burners are a real selling point!

Yes, the official name for it in fact is a "bridge burner."

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:54:06 GMT, (TammyM) wrote:


>Michael, the MW I'm looking at is the GE Profile. I don't know the
>model number but it does everything but sashay through the kitchen in
>a French maid's outfit :-)
>
That's what I have. Due to space issues, I had to use an over the
cook top microwave/hood....Since my cook top was 36", I wanted a 36"
microwave/hood .....and the only one available was the GE Profile.

It's been just under a year and the thing works fine, but I don't use
it for any major cooking. Mostly, it's defrosting, reheating, melting
butter or chocolate for baking and a few other minor things.

The vent part was more important to me than the microwave part...and
is great..there are 3 speeds and a "Vent fan boost" for times when you
really need that thing to suck up stuff. I was really surprised to see
what that thing could handle.

Debra

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:35:02 -0700, sf > wrote:

>>
>If you're going for granite, be sure to do your homework. You won't
>believe the number of places that sell prefinished slabs at low, low
>prices! You're looking at less than $300 per 2 x 8 foot slab with
>full bullnose.

Wow!!! That is unbelievable! I paid a lot more for my granite and was
told that I got a good deal... I did the OG edging, but that was a
minimal upcharge.

Debra

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:30:19 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:
>
>I caught that Kitchen Renovation show yesterday, Paula Deen
>was the 'designer' ... granite counter tops, of course. First
>thing the guy (homeowner) did was say, no need for a
>cutting board! and cut right on the granite. Yikes! I just
>about jumped out of my skin. Hey, maybe the granite can
>take it (I wouldn't try it), but your poor knives!
>
I saw that show too...and had the same reaction. Made me wonder if
anyone bothered to tell them about proper knife care after that was
filmed.

Debra

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:04:55 GMT, Debra Fritz >
wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:35:02 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>>
>>If you're going for granite, be sure to do your homework. You won't
>>believe the number of places that sell prefinished slabs at low, low
>>prices! You're looking at less than $300 per 2 x 8 foot slab with
>>full bullnose.
>
>Wow!!! That is unbelievable! I paid a lot more for my granite and was
>told that I got a good deal... I did the OG edging, but that was a
>minimal upcharge.
>
>Debra

What's OG edging?

TammyM

TammyM wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:04:55 GMT, Debra Fritz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:35:02 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>If you're going for granite, be sure to do your homework. You won't
> >>believe the number of places that sell prefinished slabs at low, low
> >>prices! You're looking at less than $300 per 2 x 8 foot slab with
> >>full bullnose.
> >
> >Wow!!! That is unbelievable! I paid a lot more for my granite and was
> >told that I got a good deal... I did the OG edging, but that was a
> >minimal upcharge.
> >
> >Debra
>
> What's OG edging?
>
> TammyM

Um, probably means "ogee", an S-shaped profile.

Sheldon

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:15:40 GMT, TammyM wrote:
>
> What's OG edging?
>

I dunno....
http://www.thegraniteshop.net/edges.htm

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:44:22 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:15:40 GMT, TammyM wrote:
> >
> > What's OG edging?
> >
>
> I dunno....
> http://www.thegraniteshop.net/edges.htm

speaking of edges.... here's more
http://www.mnvalleygranite.com/profiles.html
http://www.tfk.uk.com/worktops/grani...nite_edges.htm
http://www.landfordstone.co.uk/Grani...e_details.html
http://www.granite-exporter.com/gran...-profiles.html

Curly Sue wrote:
> George wrote:
> > TammyM wrote:
> >
> >> I've been following the previous cooktop thread, and also doing some
> >> research in preparation for buying a new gas cooktop. The one I have
> >> now is an O'Keefe and Merritt 4-burner, circa 1957 (?) It is a PITA
> >> to clean. It has one high-power burner, I've no clue what are the
> >> BTUs on that baby.
> >>
> >> From what little online research I've done (and I'm about to embark on
> >> an in-person research expedition to the local "established in 1937"
> >> appliance store), it would seem that cost goes up significantly for
> >> cooktops that have a 15K BTU burner. Aside from wok cooking for which
> >
> >
> > 15k BTU is not enough for a wok unless you are preparing a spoonful at a
> > time. The wok burners they use in restaurants are around 80,000 BTU. If
> > you plan on scaling up to something suitable to use with a wok you also
> > need to install a suitable ventilation system.
>
> I find it hard to believe that one cannot cook suitably at home with a
> wok without an 80K burner.

80K is typical of Chinese restaurant kitchens but that's over the top
for usual home use... unless one woks frequently, in family sized
quantities, is into authenticity, and of course has the bux to
accomodate such an inferno. But for the infrequent less demanding
wokker a very decent result can be obtained with 25-30K burners.
However typical residential cooktops with their 12-15K burners just
don't cut it... unless you cook one cup at a time the best you can hope
for is stew... a 15k burner isn't even suitable for sauteing except in
relatively small quantities, like perhaps the equivalant of say two
medium sized onions. I suppose you doubters should actually watch a
Chinese chef drive a wok... no matter what ingredients are added the
wok never cools.... a cup or two of liquid for the sauce comes to a
full boil immediately, withing 5 seconds, as soon as it's swirled about
the wok, no stewing... if you have to wait a couple minutes for the
sauce to thicken your veggies go limp and meat toughens. For small
individual portions the typical residential stove will do. It's really
not possible to do say a quart of fried rice all in one fell swoop on
less than 25K. The 15K burner on my stove is just not hot enough to do
more than 1 cup.... add much more and you're just heating rice, not
frying.

Sheldon

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:49:09 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:44:22 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:15:40 GMT, TammyM wrote:
>> >
>> > What's OG edging?
>> >
>>
>> I dunno....
>>
>speaking of edges.... here's more
>http://www.mnvalleygranite.com/profiles.html

The above link has the Ogee that I have. It's either the small or
Taylor Ogee.

Debra

"sf" > wrote in message
...

> >
> > True if you exclude wok stir fry. If you include stir fry dishes the
amount
> > of food that you can fry at once (ie the number of serves of a dish you
can
> > put on the table at once) depends directly on the power of the burner.
> >
> And the size of the wok.

And the strength of your wrist

David