rosie wrote:
> There are shelters that have been set up, including the Super Dome,
> which as I understand has a few leaks. Cities that have the money to
> build these huge places for games, hopefully have ways to protect those
> who cannot help them selves. Personally, I do not feel it is the
> governments place to take care of us.
>
> The poor are usually the ones who suffer the most, but there are some
> options. I would guess that everything that can be done, has been. The
> area has been declared a disaster zone, and ASAP the Red Cross and
> other agencies will be there doing their best.
>
> Rosie
>

Predicted NY Times Headline "Earth Struck by Asteroid. Minorities and
Poor most Affected."

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”

On 29 Aug 2005 14:25:59 +0200, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> Sandi, while all of those conditions exist and there are people in that
> predicament, there is also an element who want to "brave it out" and an
> element who want to have hurricane "parties". Examples of that are
> reported during/after every major hurricane. I feel very sorry for those
> who, for whatever reason, cannot leave, but I don't give a damn about those
> who are too stupid to leave.
>


Erik and I were fortunate enough to visit New Orleans last year, it's
a lovely city and (of course!) it has fantastic food. A lovely lady who ran a
B&B and several other properties there was a gracious host, and couldn't have
been more friendly. Unlike many in NOLA, she does have a car and the
resources to leave... but if she had stranded guests, I'm sure she would not
want to leave them behind, and she doesn't have a vehicle that can transport
that many and their belongings. Erik also has distant relations who live
in the area who are older, and may or may not have their own transportation
or the good health to make possible an evacuation. As of yet, we have no
news.


I don't really have a problem with when people have less empathy for
people who could leave but don't, for the reasons you stated above. The
problem occurs when people imply that those are the ONLY reasons why people
wouldn't leave New Orleans. That assumption is just plain ignorant and could
be easily avoided by thinking before one speaks. You would not dream of doing
such a thing, I know, but others don't always offer the same courtesy.

Ariane
--
Incompetence: When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of
skill by doubling your efforts, there's no end to what you can't do.
http://www.despair.com/demotivators/incompetence.html

jmcquown wrote:
> Sandi wrote:
>
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Dee Randall" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>I don't understand why people who are staying in hotels feel that
>>>>>they are 'safe'.
>>>>> I surely wouldn't.
>>>>>Dee Dee
>>>>
>>>>Safer than a frame built house or trailer perhaps, but with a Cat 4,
>>>>nothing is truly safe.
>>>
>>>It's a Cat 5. They are comparing it to Andrew and Camille, if you
>>>remember those.
>>
>>It's a Cat 4 at 145 mph winds. Borderline Cat 5 - 150 is cat 5.
>>
>>Sandi
>
>
> Yesterday it was a Cat 5 with 175 mph winds.
>
> Jill
>
>

The operative word was "yesterday." Has little to do with early this am.


jim

Dee Randall wrote:
> "Sandi" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>Gabby wrote:
>>>
>>>>"rosie" > wrote in message
egroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
>>>>>their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
>>>>>thing driving the price of oil.
>>>>>
>>>>>I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
>>>>
>>>>Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
>>>>evacuating the area.
>>>>
>>>>Gabby
>>>
>>>No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
>>>are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption,
>>>"I
>>>won't leave, they can't make me".
>>
>>No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
>>dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
>>the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
>>area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
>>empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
>>evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
>>
>>Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
>>who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
>>Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
>>assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
>>own the same. Too bad it isn't true.
>>
>>Sandi
>
>
> Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some of
> their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have
> electronics....
> Dee Dee
>
>
> Dee Dee
>
>

Unfortunately, you are wrong. I've heard people say: "Give me your cell
number, . . ," assuming the other person has a cell. Likewise for e-mail
addy and so on. We ALL make assumptions sometime.


jim

Ariane Jenkins > said:

> Erik and I were fortunate enough to visit New Orleans last year, it's
> a lovely city and (of course!) it has fantastic food. A lovely lady who ran a
> B&B and several other properties there was a gracious host, and couldn't have
> been more friendly. Unlike many in NOLA, she does have a car and the
> resources to leave... but if she had stranded guests, I'm sure she would not
> want to leave them behind, and she doesn't have a vehicle that can transport
> that many and their belongings. Erik also has distant relations who live
> in the area who are older, and may or may not have their own transportation
> or the good health to make possible an evacuation. As of yet, we have no
> news.

Our prayers are with them all, Ariane. This is just terrible.

We just saw on the news that they're projecting that the storm will pass
through western Tennessee and the Ohio River Valley. I have no idea if
you're in that part of Ohio, but if you are, I hope it's basically reduced
to heavy rains when it reaches you.

Hang in there - everyone who's affected.

Carol
--
http://tinyurl.com/9hjxt

"JimLane" > wrote in message
...
> Dee Randall wrote:
>> "Sandi" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>
>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>>Gabby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"rosie" > wrote in message
legroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
>>>>>>their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
>>>>>>thing driving the price of oil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
>>>>>
>>>>>Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
>>>>>evacuating the area.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gabby
>>>>
>>>>No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean
>>>>they
>>>>are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens
>>>>eruption, "I
>>>>won't leave, they can't make me".
>>>
>>>No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
>>>dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
>>>the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
>>>area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
>>>empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
>>>evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
>>>
>>>Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
>>>who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
>>>Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
>>>assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
>>>own the same. Too bad it isn't true.
>>>
>>>Sandi
>>
>>
>> Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some
>> of their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have
>> electronics....
>> Dee Dee
>>
>>
>> Dee Dee
>
> Unfortunately, you are wrong. I've heard people say: "Give me your cell
> number, . . ," assuming the other person has a cell. Likewise for e-mail
> addy and so on. We ALL make assumptions sometime.
>
>
> jim

"everyone in the world"?
Whoo Hoo!
Dee Dee

On Mon 29 Aug 2005 10:03:23a, Ariane Jenkins wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Erik and I were fortunate enough to visit New Orleans last year, it's
> a lovely city and (of course!) it has fantastic food. A lovely lady who
> ran a B&B and several other properties there was a gracious host, and
> couldn't have been more friendly. Unlike many in NOLA, she does have a
> car and the resources to leave... but if she had stranded guests, I'm
> sure she would not want to leave them behind, and she doesn't have a
> vehicle that can transport that many and their belongings. Erik also
> has distant relations who live in the area who are older, and may or may
> not have their own transportation or the good health to make possible an
> evacuation. As of yet, we have no news.
>
>
> I don't really have a problem with when people have less empathy
> for
> people who could leave but don't, for the reasons you stated above. The
> problem occurs when people imply that those are the ONLY reasons why
> people wouldn't leave New Orleans. That assumption is just plain
> ignorant and could be easily avoided by thinking before one speaks. You
> would not dream of doing such a thing, I know, but others don't always
> offer the same courtesy.
>
> Ariane
>

Yes, I agree with you Ariane.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

Getting back to food, Katrina will change the economy/ecology of south
Mississippi,entire Louisiana delta country and further. All of the
hotels,restaurants,cab drivers,cooks,wait,
musicians,bartenders,fisherman,farmers,will be affected..etc. The structural
devastation of the area may cause many property,restaurant,home
owner/renters,etc to seek employment else. No place to work,no jobs,nowhere
to live,and no way how to hold on long enough.. This may the devastation
that can destroy an entire ambience,lifestyle,cuisine of an area that should
be preserved at all cost. I am a fan of regional cuisine,however when we
loose the wonderful Creole Ladies and Mens that do their job so well,it is a
sad loss indeed. This is not to denegrate in any way other regional
cuisines,but to exault them. Love it all..if you will.

Merciful end to this post!

Hubert
Opelika,AL

..

Gabby wrote flooding:

> And wouldn't you know it, I hold in my hot little hands 2 airline tickets
to
> New Orleans on October 20, just in time to celebrate our 30th wedding
> anniversary/belated honeymoon. I should have known I'd exhausted my luck
> when I managed to get us both out of Labrador on points on the same flight
> (only 1 flight/2 points seats per day).


NO is flooded but not so badly as initially predicted. You should be OK for
the trip...

--
Best
Greg

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> Ariane Jenkins > said:
>
>> Erik and I were fortunate enough to visit New Orleans last year, it's
>> a lovely city and (of course!) it has fantastic food. A lovely lady
>> who ran a B&B and several other properties there was a gracious
>> host, and couldn't have been more friendly. Unlike many in NOLA,
>> she does have a car and the resources to leave... but if she had
>> stranded guests, I'm sure she would not want to leave them behind,
>> and she doesn't have a vehicle that can transport that many and
>> their belongings. Erik also has distant relations who live
>> in the area who are older, and may or may not have their own
>> transportation or the good health to make possible an evacuation.
>> As of yet, we have no news.
>
> Our prayers are with them all, Ariane. This is just terrible.
>
> We just saw on the news that they're projecting that the storm will
> pass through western Tennessee and the Ohio River Valley. I have no
> idea if
> you're in that part of Ohio, but if you are, I hope it's basically
> reduced
> to heavy rains when it reaches you.
>
> Hang in there - everyone who's affected.
>
> Carol

We're just getting mild rain here in west TN so far. The predicted high
winds haven't come this way yet; might take a day. I heard on the radio
this morning some of the casinos in Tunica, MS have set up emergency
shelters in their ballrooms. Bally's and The Grand Hotel were mentioned.
The Red Cross is there to help FEMA with what is needed to get people
temporarily housed, start the damage claim filing process, etc., although of
course no one knows yet what the damage will be.

OB Food: Squash again. It's a good thing I love squash.

Jill

"jmcquown" > said:

> We're just getting mild rain here in west TN so far. The predicted high
> winds haven't come this way yet; might take a day. I heard on the radio
> this morning some of the casinos in Tunica, MS have set up emergency
> shelters in their ballrooms. Bally's and The Grand Hotel were mentioned.
> The Red Cross is there to help FEMA with what is needed to get people
> temporarily housed, start the damage claim filing process, etc., although of
> course no one knows yet what the damage will be.

It's good to see communities pulling together like this. Thanks for
letting us know what's going on in Tennessee!

Carol
--
http://tinyurl.com/9hjxt

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Mon 29 Aug 2005 05:02:40a, Sandi wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
> > dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
> > the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
> > area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
> > empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
> > evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
> >
> > Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
> > who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
> > Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
> > assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
> > own the same. Too bad it isn't true.
>
> Sandi, while all of those conditions exist and there are people in that
> predicament, there is also an element who want to "brave it out" and an
> element who want to have hurricane "parties". Examples of that are
> reported during/after every major hurricane. I feel very sorry for those
> who, for whatever reason, cannot leave, but I don't give a damn about those
> who are too stupid to leave.

Ummm.....isn't that exactly what the SECOND paragraph says? Those who
chose to stay because they think it is cool are fools - committing
suicide by hurrican I think is the phrase I used.

I lived in FL for 15 years and I've spent my share of time in hurricane
shelters including a fun filled time in a shelter with a Bosnaian
family, a Serbian family and a Herzogovinian family all in the same
place. We had deputy sheriff to prevent Kosovo 2 from occuring. We
also had an Alzheimers patient who wandered out in the peak of the
storm when his daughter fell asleep from exhaustion. All of us able
bodied were pressed into service to go out and search for him during
the storm. I'm real aware of storms and the problems that are incurred
by those who cannot evacuate - like special needs people. My mother was
a special needs case and I needed to go to the shelter with her since
she was a recent amputee.

Sandi

Sandi

Ariane Jenkins wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2005 14:25:59 +0200, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
> > Sandi, while all of those conditions exist and there are people in that
> > predicament, there is also an element who want to "brave it out" and an
> > element who want to have hurricane "parties". Examples of that are
> > reported during/after every major hurricane. I feel very sorry for those
> > who, for whatever reason, cannot leave, but I don't give a damn about those
> > who are too stupid to leave.

>
> I don't really have a problem with when people have less empathy for
> people who could leave but don't, for the reasons you stated above. The
> problem occurs when people imply that those are the ONLY reasons why people
> wouldn't leave New Orleans. That assumption is just plain ignorant and could
> be easily avoided by thinking before one speaks. You would not dream of doing
> such a thing, I know, but others don't always offer the same courtesy.
>

I have no emptathy for fools who commit suicide by hurricane....that
was my second paragraph which it seems people didn't bother to read.

Sandi

"jmcquown" > wrote

> We're just getting mild rain here in west TN so far. The predicted high
> winds haven't come this way yet; might take a day. I heard on the radio
> this morning some of the casinos in Tunica, MS have set up emergency
> shelters in their ballrooms. Bally's and The Grand Hotel were mentioned.
> The Red Cross is there to help FEMA with what is needed to get people
> temporarily housed, start the damage claim filing process, etc., although
> of
> course no one knows yet what the damage will be.

Of course, all of this was covered who knows how long ago by
the disaster planning people. I know it was a pain in the neck just
at work planning for a disaster, unfortunately sometimes it comes
to pass.

(laugh) Somehow I'm suddenly reminded of hiding under my school
desk in case of enemy airplanes from Russia attacking.

nancy

Dee Randall wrote:


>
> Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some of
> their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have
> electronics....

You don't know how many Americans (and Europeans for that matter) I
have heard here in Honduras ask for phone numbers, cell phone numbers,
email addresses, etc. They just assume that people have these
conveniences. Many but not all, and that were the operative words in my
statement, assume people everywhere else are just like them...with all
the modern conveniences immediately at hand. It just ain't so.

A friend just got her phone number issued to her after a 4 year wait.
It will be another 6 months to a year before it is actually installed.
If she needs to make a call, she needs to find someone with phone or
walk the three miles into town to use the public phone in front of the
phone company office. Oh yeah....and for toilets and showers......her
mother has a screened off area in her yard with a hole for the toilet
and another screened off area with a 55gal drum that has a hose
attached to it as a shower. The village her mother lives in has one
phone for about 75 families. It is only accessible from 8a.m. to 8p.m.,
outgoing calls only. I knew the score before I moved here about phones,
TV, internet, etc. We'd still be waiting for a phone but the landlord
assigned one of his business lines to our house.
Americans that I've seen here are stunned when they are told there are
no private phone lines, no internet access, no TV reception, in many of
the small villages within 5 miles of town. I witness these assumptions
every time a new batch of Americans shows up in town. It's amazing
watching the show.

Sandi

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> morgul the friendly drelb wrote:
>
> > Maybe it'll whip some crawfish up here to Lake Erie!
>
> Highly doubtful! :-) You better stick with that great Lake Perch and
> Pickerel.

EEEEEEWWWWWW!!! I wouldn't eat anything outta that stinkpot, imported or not


<spent long enough living on the shores of Lake Erie to know better>

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?
>
> There are many people in the cities that do not own a car, know people that
> own a car that would have enough room to take them all. Many are the poor,
> but there are many well to do people in large cities that rely on public
> transportation.

Yup, the majority of NYC residents do not own a car... first they'd
have nowhere to put it (they'd put it in their bedroom, but how, cars
don't fit well in elevators), and second if everyone who resides in NYC
had a car there'd be nowhere for all the people. There are a lot of
folks who live in major US cities who don't own a car.

Sheldon

On Mon 29 Aug 2005 05:05:02p, pennyaline wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> morgul the friendly drelb wrote:
>>
>> > Maybe it'll whip some crawfish up here to Lake Erie!
>>
>> Highly doubtful! :-) You better stick with that great Lake Perch and
>> Pickerel.
>
> EEEEEEWWWWWW!!! I wouldn't eat anything outta that stinkpot, imported or
> not
>
> <spent long enough living on the shores of Lake Erie to know better>

So did I. I spent 43 years there, through the period when it was considered
a "dead" lake until 2000. Lake Erie is thriving and viable, and the fish
(which were nearly extinct) have come back and are wonderful.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
unless there are three other people.

On 30 Aug 2005 03:02:25 +0200, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:
snipped
>
>So did I. I spent 43 years there, through the period when it was considered
>a "dead" lake until 2000. Lake Erie is thriving and viable, and the fish
>(which were nearly extinct) have come back and are wonderful.
I go fishing there every chance I get. There's nothing wrong with the
lake. Why the river won't even burn now.

Dee Randall wrote:
> "JimLane" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Dee Randall wrote:
>>
>>>"Sandi" > wrote in message
egroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Gabby wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"rosie" > wrote in message
glegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
>>>>>>>their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
>>>>>>>thing driving the price of oil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
>>>>>>evacuating the area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gabby
>>>>>
>>>>>No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean
>>>>>they
>>>>>are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens
>>>>>eruption, "I
>>>>>won't leave, they can't make me".
>>>>
>>>>No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
>>>>dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
>>>>the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
>>>>area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
>>>>empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
>>>>evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
>>>>
>>>>Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
>>>>who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
>>>>Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
>>>>assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
>>>>own the same. Too bad it isn't true.
>>>>
>>>>Sandi
>>>
>>>
>>>Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some
>>>of their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have
>>>electronics....
>>>Dee Dee
>>>
>>>
>>>Dee Dee
>>
>>Unfortunately, you are wrong. I've heard people say: "Give me your cell
>>number, . . ," assuming the other person has a cell. Likewise for e-mail
>>addy and so on. We ALL make assumptions sometime.
>>
>>
>>jim
>
>
> "everyone in the world"?
> Whoo Hoo!
> Dee Dee
>
>

Even you. Want a broader picture? Look into "self reference criterion"
and that will help explain it from a different angle. Other pertinent
information can be found researching paradigm change and so on.


jim

Gabby wrote:
> "MareCat" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>"Ken Davey" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>Being six feet below sea level doesn't bode well for the 'big easy'.
>>>If they (the authorities) have their collective 'scat' together they
>>>should be opening the flood gates on the dikes now.
>>>I wish them luck!
>>
>>NOLA has pumps that move water into Lake Pontchartrain during periods of
>>heavy rain. If the lake empties into the city, the pumps will be
>>underwater, and it's estimated that it will take about six months to drain
>>the city...
>
>
> And wouldn't you know it, I hold in my hot little hands 2 airline tickets to
> New Orleans on October 20, just in time to celebrate our 30th wedding
> anniversary/belated honeymoon. I should have known I'd exhausted my luck
> when I managed to get us both out of Labrador on points on the same flight
> (only 1 flight/2 points seats per day).
>
> Gabby
>
>

Your luck is holding. Don't get your britches too wound up, you're
talking the better part of two months away. It may not be back to
normal, but then has NO ever been normal?


jim

Sandi at wrote on 8/29/05 7:45 PM:

>
> Dee Randall wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some of
>> their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have
>> electronics....
>
> You don't know how many Americans (and Europeans for that matter) I
> have heard here in Honduras ask for phone numbers, cell phone numbers,
> email addresses, etc. They just assume that people have these
> conveniences. Many but not all, and that were the operative words in my
> statement, assume people everywhere else are just like them...with all
> the modern conveniences immediately at hand. It just ain't so.
>
> A friend just got her phone number issued to her after a 4 year wait.
> It will be another 6 months to a year before it is actually installed.
> If she needs to make a call, she needs to find someone with phone or
> walk the three miles into town to use the public phone in front of the
> phone company office. Oh yeah....and for toilets and showers......her
> mother has a screened off area in her yard with a hole for the toilet
> and another screened off area with a 55gal drum that has a hose
> attached to it as a shower. The village her mother lives in has one
> phone for about 75 families. It is only accessible from 8a.m. to 8p.m.,
> outgoing calls only. I knew the score before I moved here about phones,
> TV, internet, etc. We'd still be waiting for a phone but the landlord
> assigned one of his business lines to our house.
> Americans that I've seen here are stunned when they are told there are
> no private phone lines, no internet access, no TV reception, in many of
> the small villages within 5 miles of town. I witness these assumptions
> every time a new batch of Americans shows up in town. It's amazing
> watching the show.
>
> Sandi
>

Why would anyone ~choose~ to live under such primitive conditions in a third
world country?

What am I missing?

---
Love like you've never been hurt
Live like there's no tomorrow
And dance like there's nobody watching

"Nancy Young" > said:

> (laugh) Somehow I'm suddenly reminded of hiding under my school
> desk in case of enemy airplanes from Russia attacking.

You're younger than me, and we never did that! I guess the powers that be
in the brand new subdivision in Minnesota where I grew up felt that the
Russians wouldn't bother with us.

I'm glad that the overt hostility is over.

Carol
--
http://tinyurl.com/9hjxt

Bubbabob > wrote:

>Cindy Fuller > wrote:
>
>> I was watching CNN this morning while eating breakfast. "Major
>> structural damage" has appeared in many buildings in New Orleans. In
>> other words, it might be wise to rethink a Cajun eatathon vacation
>> scheduled for anytime this fall.
>>
>
>You don't go to New Orleans for Cajun food. You go to Lafayette / Breaux
>Bridge or Mamou or New Iberia. Unless you want to pay three times as much
>for something half as good, of course.

IIRC It's *Creole* food that is specific to New Orleans, as a subset
of the *Cajun* cuisine of the area.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

In article >,
Bubbabob > wrote:

> Cindy Fuller > wrote:
>
> > I was watching CNN this morning while eating breakfast. "Major
> > structural damage" has appeared in many buildings in New Orleans. In
> > other words, it might be wise to rethink a Cajun eatathon vacation
> > scheduled for anytime this fall.
> >
>
> You don't go to New Orleans for Cajun food. You go to Lafayette / Breaux
> Bridge or Mamou or New Iberia. Unless you want to pay three times as much
> for something half as good, of course.

Cindy and I don't get to New Orleans very often. Usually it's for
conferences. But the last time we went together, we *did* drive out to
Lafayette for some Cajun food. I can't remember where we ate.

The food in N.O. may be tourist-ified, but it's still possible to find
better stuff than what passes for Cajun or Creole in most other cities.

Here's hoping that the Gulf Coasters can get back on their feet soon.

--
Julian Vrieslander

Sheryl Rosen wrote:

> Why would anyone ~choose~ to live under such primitive conditions in a third
> world country?
>
> What am I missing?

Perhaps the same types who like to go camping on vacay, while I like
room service when I'm on holiday?

"JimLane" > wrote in message
...
> Dee Randall wrote:
>> "JimLane" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Dee Randall wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Sandi" > wrote in message
legroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Gabby wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"rosie" > wrote in message
oglegroups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
>>>>>>>>their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
>>>>>>>>thing driving the price of oil.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
>>>>>>>evacuating the area.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gabby
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean
>>>>>>they
>>>>>>are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens
>>>>>>eruption, "I
>>>>>>won't leave, they can't make me".
>>>>>
>>>>>No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
>>>>>dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
>>>>>the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
>>>>>area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
>>>>>empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
>>>>>evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
>>>>>who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
>>>>>Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
>>>>>assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
>>>>>own the same. Too bad it isn't true.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sandi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some
>>>>of their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have
>>>>electronics....
>>>>Dee Dee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dee Dee
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, you are wrong. I've heard people say: "Give me your cell
>>>number, . . ," assuming the other person has a cell. Likewise for e-mail
>>>addy and so on. We ALL make assumptions sometime.
>>>
>>>
>>>jim
>>
>>
>> "everyone in the world"?
>> Whoo Hoo!
>> Dee Dee
>
> Even you. Want a broader picture? Look into "self reference criterion" and
> that will help explain it from a different angle. Other pertinent
> information can be found researching paradigm change and so on.
>
>
> jim

Last word! Last word! Last Word!!
Dee Dee

In article >,
"hubert liverman" > wrote:

> Getting back to food, Katrina will change the economy/ecology of south
> Mississippi,entire Louisiana delta country and further. All of the
> hotels,restaurants,cab drivers,cooks,wait,
> musicians,bartenders,fisherman,farmers,will be affected..etc. The structural
> devastation of the area may cause many property,restaurant,home
> owner/renters,etc to seek employment else. No place to work,no jobs,nowhere
> to live,and no way how to hold on long enough.. This may the devastation
> that can destroy an entire ambience,lifestyle,cuisine of an area that should
> be preserved at all cost. I am a fan of regional cuisine,however when we
> loose the wonderful Creole Ladies and Mens that do their job so well,it is a
> sad loss indeed. This is not to denegrate in any way other regional
> cuisines,but to exault them. Love it all..if you will.
>
> Merciful end to this post!
>
> Hubert
> Opelika,AL
>
I hate "me too" posts, but ... Me too!

South Louisiana is the closest coast to Arkansas and has been our
favorite short vacation destination. Not NO, great as that city is, but
the towns south and west. New Years a year and a half ago we spent at
Grand Isle and the towns up the bayou. I wonder what's left of them? The
towns and the people and the food ... unique and precious. Worth
exalting. Love it all.

Pass the hot sauce.

Regards ... and stay out of the weather, Hubert,

Dave W.

--
Living in the Ozarks
For email, edu will do.

Regardless of what doesn't happen, there's always someone who knew it wouldn't.
R. Henry

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:14:51 -0400, Sheryl Rosen
> connected the dots and wrote:


~
~Why would anyone ~choose~ to live under such primitive conditions in
a third
~world country?
~
~What am I missing?

Excitement, adventure, peace and quiet, human interactions. My
husband's best friend joined the Peace Corps in his 40's, went to
Ghana, taught engineering (i.e. how to fix that 30-year-old truck),
met a lovely woman, married, and planned to return there to start a
fixit business.

Helping others, teaching someone how to "fish" so they can feed
themselves and their family, teaching school, and in the process
learning about yourself and how someone else from a different culture
views the world.

Humans didn't always have flush toilets, instant communications, or
brand new cars. It can be rewarding to learn how to live comfortably
on your own without all the things we take for granted.

OB cooking: In many TWCs, they have what amounts to a chimney stove
which is very economical to cook on.

maxine in ri

Goomba38 wrote:
> Sheryl Rosen wrote:
>
> > Why would anyone ~choose~ to live under such primitive conditions in a third
> > world country?
> >
> > What am I missing?
>
> Perhaps the same types who like to go camping on vacay, while I like
> room service when I'm on holiday?

Also, many in the US actually live not much differently than as if they
were in a third world country, only they don't seem to know it...
always announcing how poor they are, always announcing how they
scrimp... of course it's *entirely* their *choice* yet they continue to
maintain an underprivileged life style, for whatever reason only their
shink could possibly know. Those who are born into a third world
country haven't much choice but anyone who chooses to move to and live
there obviously has some element of guilt in their psyche, and/or they
simply choose to forego certain creature comforts in lieu of recieving
much more value for their US dollars than had they remained in the
US... many US retirees move to Central America, a US pension can buy
quite an opulent life style, if they're in relatively good health
(typically medical resources aren't the best) and willing to forego
things like being able to buy the latest fashions... but they can have
nice homes, eat extremely well, even have servants (btw, a housekeeper
for a US family is a very enviable position, it ensures the
housekeeper's family will be tended to also, and is a somewhat
symbiotic relationship, ensuring a smooth transition for the US family
amongst the locals). But I really wonder about those born in and
living in the US *choosing* to live impoverished life styles, they seem
to really enjoy whining, I doubt they are too well wrapped.

Sheldon

jmcquown wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > "Tony P." wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps if we weren't having our little misadventure in the Middle
> >> East
> >> and using National Guard troops to do the job we could airlift people
> >> north. But no.
> >
> > Airlift people? Why? I live about 1500 miles north of there and I
> > knew that it was headed there two days ago. That was more than enough
> > time for people to head for safety.
> >
> >> And from what I've been reading - this could also impact gasoline
> >> prices. Lots of refineries in that area.
> >
> > Yep. That will be the next excuse to gouge consumers. I sure am glad
> > that I bought a Honda last month. Despite a 20% increase in the cost
> > of gasoline, my weekly gas bill is less than half what it was with my
> > old van.
>
> As I previously stated, some folks will use any excuse to jump on the
> political band-wagon. It's not like hurricanes didn't exist before the
> current administration. I seriously doubt Tony P. remembers the "oil
> crisis" from the 1970's. We weathered that storm; we'll weather this one.
>
> Jill

Adversity only makes us stronger... those who were affected will emerge
stronger and in a better position.

Sheldon

Sheryl Rosen wrote:

> Why would anyone ~choose~ to live under such primitive conditions in a
third
> world country?
>
> What am I missing?


Sandi and her spouse don't live under such primitive conditions from what I
gather, they live very well compared to many of the "native" population...

--
Best
Greg

Sheldon wrote:

> Yup, the majority of NYC residents do not own a car... first they'd
> have nowhere to put it (they'd put it in their bedroom, but how, cars
> don't fit well in elevators), and second if everyone who resides in NYC
> had a car there'd be nowhere for all the people. There are a lot of
> folks who live in major US cities who don't own a car.


Yup, myself and many of my friends in Chicawgo don't have cars, some of us
don't even have drivers licenses anymore. When the evacuation of New
Orleans was announced, I wondered, "What would many of us here do in such a
situation?". I guess we'd pray there was evacuation by bus or something...

Plus which with the cost of insurance, parking, gas, etc.the monthly cost of
having a car in Chicago, etc. can be about as much one's rent or mortgage...

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
> > Yup, the majority of NYC residents do not own a car... first they'd
> > have nowhere to put it (they'd put it in their bedroom, but how, cars
> > don't fit well in elevators), and second if everyone who resides in NYC
> > had a car there'd be nowhere for all the people. There are a lot of
> > folks who live in major US cities who don't own a car.
>
>
> Yup, myself and many of my friends in Chicawgo don't have cars, some of us
> don't even have drivers licenses anymore. When the evacuation of New
> Orleans was announced, I wondered, "What would many of us here do in such a
> situation?". I guess we'd pray there was evacuation by bus or something...
>
> Plus which with the cost of insurance, parking, gas, etc.the monthly cost of
> having a car in Chicago, etc. can be about as much one's rent or mortgage...

If not for the very few times I need a car (no mass transit here, not
even taxis) I'd give up maintaining an automobile... I drove slightly
less than 1,000 miles (maybe 25 hours) since last Sept.... I've far
more hours behind the wheel of my tractor (220 hours).

Sheldon

jmcquown wrote:
>>
> As I previously stated, some folks will use any excuse to jump on the
> political band-wagon. It's not like hurricanes didn't exist before the
> current administration. We weathered that storm; we'll weather this one.

Hey Jill, of course we'll weather this storm... but don't you find it
kinda strange that not one other country has offered so much as
condolences, let alone offered to lend a hand (I expect no money) but
utility crews, rescue teams, medics, even kitchen crews to fix
sammiches and tend the stew pots? I don't find that strange at all,
they all hate us. What I do find strange is how the US is ALWAYS there
to help with any country's disaster... I had anything to say I'd never
send so much as cent anywhere for any reason whatsoever... were any
other country had folks about to drown I'd offer to **** on them,
maybe.

I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.

Sheldon

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
ups.com...

<snip>

> I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
> mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
> planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
> Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
> drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.
>
> Sheldon

Stop sugar coating you feelings - tell us what you really think :-)

Dimitri

>EEEEEEWWWWWW!!! I wouldn't eat anything outta that stinkpot, imported or not
Lake Erie is one of the cleanest bodies of water at the present time
....
Attribute this to it being relativally shallow (rapid turnover), the
decline of industry on it's shores, and the zebra mussel (Ma Nature's
filter).

>No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?
Sounds a lot like "Let them eat cake". In many urban communities auto
ownership is not common, and there are only so many folks you can get
into one auto. Couple that with NO gasoline, and breakdowns due to
water getting into the works, and flooded roads ...

Sheldon wrote:
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > > Yup, the majority of NYC residents do not own a car... first they'd
> > > have nowhere to put it (they'd put it in their bedroom, but how, cars
> > > don't fit well in elevators), and second if everyone who resides in
NYC
> > > had a car there'd be nowhere for all the people. There are a lot of
> > > folks who live in major US cities who don't own a car.

Nowadays, Sheldon, there isn't enough room in the average NYC bedroom for
even the smallest car (Been there lately?)


Gregory continues:
> > Yup, myself and many of my friends in Chicawgo don't have cars, some of
us
> > don't even have drivers licenses anymore. When the evacuation of New
> > Orleans was announced, I wondered, "What would many of us here do in
such a
> > situation?". I guess we'd pray there was evacuation by bus or
something...
> >
> > Plus which with the cost of insurance, parking, gas, etc.the monthly
cost of
> > having a car in Chicago, etc. can be about as much one's rent or
mortgage...
>
> If not for the very few times I need a car (no mass transit here, not
> even taxis) I'd give up maintaining an automobile... I drove slightly
> less than 1,000 miles (maybe 25 hours) since last Sept.... I've far
> more hours behind the wheel of my tractor (220 hours).

I have a very good job, a wonderful job. Every day, I drive 40 miles round
trip to work at my really great job. Last week, the price of gas reached the
point where I nearly couldn't afford to work there anymore.

This morning, the price of gas here went through the roof. It's official
now: I can't afford to drive back and forth to work.

Is this really what "W" had in mind when he and his oily cronies invented
this "Katrina-caused" oil emergency? What a crock of shit!

In one breath they tell us that gas is so high because the bulk of our oil
comes from overseas. In the next breath, they tell us that the price will
skyrocket because the storm in the Gulf has halted the production of the
bulk of our oil. How stupid do they think we are? Worse, how stupid are we
actually?

Forget your med again, Sheldon ?