In article >,
says...
> Wowsa! This is a big hurricane. Hope everyone on the gulf coast evac'd
> early; I would not want to be driving north with that traffic. The news
> media is telling folks in Louisiana and Mississippi to head towards Memphis.
> I'm sure the hotel and motel people will be glad of that. It's pouring down
> rain here (early fallout, I'm sure) and the temperature didn't get above 80F
> today. So much for grilling squash. BUT! I can use my oven to make squash
> casserole!

Perhaps if we weren't having our little misadventure in the Middle East
and using National Guard troops to do the job we could airlift people
north. But no.

And President Bush and his cronies quietly killed a major storm rebuild
fund.

And from what I've been reading - this could also impact gasoline
prices. Lots of refineries in that area.

airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.

Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
thing driving the price of oil.

I do hope all have gone to higher ground .

Rosie

rosie wrote:
> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>
Exactly. I've no idea why some people have to turn the weather into a
political statement. It's not like people living on the east coast and the
gulf area aren't used to hurricanes. And it's not like there were no
hurricanes before the current administration.

"rosie" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>
> Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
> thing driving the price of oil.
>
> I do hope all have gone to higher ground .

Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of evacuating the
area.

Gabby

Gabby wrote:
> "rosie" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
>> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>>
>> Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
>> thing driving the price of oil.
>>
>> I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
>
> Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
> evacuating the area.
>
> Gabby

No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption, "I
won't leave, they can't make me".

Still no reason to start bashing politicos; want to bash someone, bash your
version of "god" for the hurricane. Politics have nothing to do with it.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
> are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption, "I
> won't leave, they can't make me".

This afternoon Shepard Smith from Fox TV was trying to do an interview
in a bar on Bourbon St. He asked one guy why he hadn't left yet and
his response was "None of your ****ing business". Right on live TV.
I'd say there's some attitude there, definitely.

> Still no reason to start bashing politicos; want to bash someone, bash your
> version of "god" for the hurricane. Politics have nothing to do with it.

I completely agree.

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?

There are many people in the cities that do not own a car, know people that
own a car that would have enough room to take them all. Many are the poor,
but there are many well to do people in large cities that rely on public
transportation.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:39 GMT, Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?
>
> There are many people in the cities that do not own a car, know people that
> own a car that would have enough room to take them all. Many are the poor,
> but there are many well to do people in large cities that rely on public
> transportation.

And New Orleans has a significant homeless population. Chances are
that no, they don't have a car, and they may not know anyone who does. Maybe
they'd like to evacuate, but they have have limited resources to do so.

We have people we know in the area, and hope they are safe, regardless
of whether or not they decide to leave or stay.

Ariane

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?
>
> There are many people in the cities that do not own a car, know people that
> own a car that would have enough room to take them all. Many are the poor,
> but there are many well to do people in large cities that rely on public
> transportation.

Yup, the majority of NYC residents do not own a car... first they'd
have nowhere to put it (they'd put it in their bedroom, but how, cars
don't fit well in elevators), and second if everyone who resides in NYC
had a car there'd be nowhere for all the people. There are a lot of
folks who live in major US cities who don't own a car.

Sheldon

Jill wrote:

> Still no reason to start bashing politicos; want to bash someone, bash
> your version of "god" for the hurricane. Politics have nothing to do
> with it.

If the risk is known and the politicians don't take adequate measures to
alleviate the damage, SHOULDN'T they be blamed? Here, read this:

http://americanradioworks.publicradi...urricane1.html

Bob

Bob wrote:

> If the risk is known and the politicians don't take adequate measures to
> alleviate the damage, SHOULDN'T they be blamed? Here, read this:
>
> http://americanradioworks.publicradi...urricane1.html

Nothing in the above supports your accusations in any way.

How did anyone fail to "take adequate measures"? It's been studied
to death (funded by the federal government, I might add), and it's
been a known threat for some time. Short of moving people out permanently,
what did you expect them to do?

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

"Bob" > wrote:

>Jill wrote:
>
>> Still no reason to start bashing politicos; want to bash someone, bash
>> your version of "god" for the hurricane. Politics have nothing to do
>> with it.
>
>If the risk is known and the politicians don't take adequate measures to
>alleviate the damage, SHOULDN'T they be blamed? Here, read this:
>
>http://americanradioworks.publicradi...urricane1.html


Aaand theres nothing there to support your contention that politicians
haven't taken adequate measures.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

"jmcquown" > said:

> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
> are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption, "I
> won't leave, they can't make me".

I would guess that the people with cars have crammed said cars with as many
of their valuables as possible, and don't have room for helping the
have-nots of society.

I'd also suspect that a lot of the have-nots would have moved away many
years ago if they could afford to do so (you know someone right now who is
in that position).

The poor will most likely represent the largest loss of life, and I don't
believe that, for most of them, they had many options.

Carol
--
http://tinyurl.com/9hjxt

There are shelters that have been set up, including the Super Dome,
which as I understand has a few leaks. Cities that have the money to
build these huge places for games, hopefully have ways to protect those
who cannot help them selves. Personally, I do not feel it is the
governments place to take care of us.

The poor are usually the ones who suffer the most, but there are some
options. I would guess that everything that can be done, has been. The
area has been declared a disaster zone, and ASAP the Red Cross and
other agencies will be there doing their best.

Rosie

rosie wrote:
> There are shelters that have been set up, including the Super Dome,
> which as I understand has a few leaks. Cities that have the money to
> build these huge places for games, hopefully have ways to protect those
> who cannot help them selves. Personally, I do not feel it is the
> governments place to take care of us.
>
> The poor are usually the ones who suffer the most, but there are some
> options. I would guess that everything that can be done, has been. The
> area has been declared a disaster zone, and ASAP the Red Cross and
> other agencies will be there doing their best.
>
> Rosie
>

Predicted NY Times Headline "Earth Struck by Asteroid. Minorities and
Poor most Affected."

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”

There are shelters that have been set up, including the Super Dome,
which as I understand has a few leaks. Cities that have the money to
build these huge places for games, hopefully have ways to protect those
who cannot help them selves. Personally, I do not feel it is the
governments place to take care of us.

The poor are usually the ones who suffer the most, but there are some
options. I would guess that everything that can be done, has been. The
area has been declared a disaster zone, and ASAP the Red Cross and
other agencies will be there doing their best.

Rosie

rosie wrote:

> There are shelters that have been set up, including the Super Dome,
> which as I understand has a few leaks. Cities that have the money to
> build these huge places for games, hopefully have ways to protect those
> who cannot help them selves. Personally, I do not feel it is the
> governments place to take care of us.


The government obviously thinks differently, Rosie:

http://www.fema.gov/

FEMA History

"Helping People Before, During, And After Disasters"

[excerpts]

The Federal Emergency Management Agency - a former independent agency that
became part of the new Department of Homeland Security in March 2003 - is
tasked with responding to, planning for, recovering from and mitigating
against disasters. FEMA can trace its beginnings to the Congressional Act of
1803. This act, generally considered the first piece of disaster
legislation, provided assistance to a New Hampshire town following an
extensive fire. In the century that followed, ad hoc legislation was passed
more than 100 times in response to hurricanes, earthquakes, floods and other
natural disasters.

By the 1930s, when the federal approach to problems became popular, the
Reconstruction Finance Corporation was given authority to make disaster
loans for repair and reconstruction of certain public facilities following
an earthquake, and later, other types of disasters. In 1934, the Bureau of
Public Roads was given authority to provide funding for highways and bridges
damaged by natural disasters. The Flood Control Act, which gave the U.S.
Army Corps of Engineers greater authority to implement flood control
projects, was also passed. This piecemeal approach to disaster assistance
was problematic and it prompted legislation that required greater
cooperation between federal agencies and authorized the President to
coordinate these activities.

The 1960s and early 1970s brought massive disasters requiring major federal
response and recovery operations by the Federal Disaster Assistance
Administration, established within the Department of Housing and Urban
Development (HUD). Hurricane Carla struck in 1962, Hurricane Betsy in 1965,
Hurricane Camille in 1969 and Hurricane Agnes in 1972. The Alaskan
Earthquake hit in 1964 and the San Fernando Earthquake rocked Southern
California in 1971. These events served to focus attention on the issue of
natural disasters and brought about increased legislation. In 1968, the
National Flood Insurance Act offered new flood protection to homeowners, and
in 1974 the Disaster Relief Act firmly established the process of
Presidential disaster declarations

President Carter's 1979 executive order merged many of the separate
disaster-related responsibilities into a new Federal Emergency Management
Agency (FEMA). Among other agencies, FEMA absorbed: the Federal Insurance
Administration, the National Fire Prevention and Control Administration, the
National Weather Service Community Preparedness Program, the Federal
Preparedness Agency of the General Services Administration and the Federal
Disaster Assistance Administration activities from HUD. Civil defense
responsibilities were also transferred to the new agency from the Defense
Department's Defense Civil Preparedness Agency

The new agency was faced with many unusual challenges in its first few years
that emphasized how complex emergency management can be. Early disasters and
emergencies included the contamination of Love Canal, the Cuban refugee
crisis and the accident at the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant. Later,
the Loma Prieta Earthquake in 1989 and Hurricane Andrew in 1992 focused
major national attention on FEMA. In 1993, President Clinton nominated James
L. Witt as the new FEMA director. Witt became the first agency director with
experience as a state emergency manager. He initiated sweeping reforms that
streamlined disaster relief and recovery operations, insisted on a new
emphasis regarding preparedness and mitigation, and focused agency employees
on customer service. The end of the Cold War also allowed Witt to redirect
more of FEMA's limited resources from civil defense into disaster relief,
recovery and mitigation programs"

jmcquown wrote:
> Gabby wrote:
> > "rosie" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> >> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
> >> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
> >>
> >> Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
> >> thing driving the price of oil.
> >>
> >> I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
> >
> > Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
> > evacuating the area.
> >
> > Gabby
>
> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
> are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption, "I
> won't leave, they can't make me".

No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
evacuate on their own is overwhelming.

Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
own the same. Too bad it isn't true.

Sandi

On Mon 29 Aug 2005 05:02:40a, Sandi wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
> dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
> the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
> area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
> empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
> evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
>
> Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
> who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
> Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
> assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
> own the same. Too bad it isn't true.

Sandi, while all of those conditions exist and there are people in that
predicament, there is also an element who want to "brave it out" and an
element who want to have hurricane "parties". Examples of that are
reported during/after every major hurricane. I feel very sorry for those
who, for whatever reason, cannot leave, but I don't give a damn about those
who are too stupid to leave.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
unless there are three other people.

On 29 Aug 2005 14:25:59 +0200, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> Sandi, while all of those conditions exist and there are people in that
> predicament, there is also an element who want to "brave it out" and an
> element who want to have hurricane "parties". Examples of that are
> reported during/after every major hurricane. I feel very sorry for those
> who, for whatever reason, cannot leave, but I don't give a damn about those
> who are too stupid to leave.
>


Erik and I were fortunate enough to visit New Orleans last year, it's
a lovely city and (of course!) it has fantastic food. A lovely lady who ran a
B&B and several other properties there was a gracious host, and couldn't have
been more friendly. Unlike many in NOLA, she does have a car and the
resources to leave... but if she had stranded guests, I'm sure she would not
want to leave them behind, and she doesn't have a vehicle that can transport
that many and their belongings. Erik also has distant relations who live
in the area who are older, and may or may not have their own transportation
or the good health to make possible an evacuation. As of yet, we have no
news.


I don't really have a problem with when people have less empathy for
people who could leave but don't, for the reasons you stated above. The
problem occurs when people imply that those are the ONLY reasons why people
wouldn't leave New Orleans. That assumption is just plain ignorant and could
be easily avoided by thinking before one speaks. You would not dream of doing
such a thing, I know, but others don't always offer the same courtesy.

Ariane
--
Incompetence: When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of
skill by doubling your efforts, there's no end to what you can't do.
http://www.despair.com/demotivators/incompetence.html

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Mon 29 Aug 2005 05:02:40a, Sandi wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
> > dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
> > the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
> > area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
> > empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
> > evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
> >
> > Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
> > who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
> > Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
> > assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
> > own the same. Too bad it isn't true.
>
> Sandi, while all of those conditions exist and there are people in that
> predicament, there is also an element who want to "brave it out" and an
> element who want to have hurricane "parties". Examples of that are
> reported during/after every major hurricane. I feel very sorry for those
> who, for whatever reason, cannot leave, but I don't give a damn about those
> who are too stupid to leave.

Ummm.....isn't that exactly what the SECOND paragraph says? Those who
chose to stay because they think it is cool are fools - committing
suicide by hurrican I think is the phrase I used.

I lived in FL for 15 years and I've spent my share of time in hurricane
shelters including a fun filled time in a shelter with a Bosnaian
family, a Serbian family and a Herzogovinian family all in the same
place. We had deputy sheriff to prevent Kosovo 2 from occuring. We
also had an Alzheimers patient who wandered out in the peak of the
storm when his daughter fell asleep from exhaustion. All of us able
bodied were pressed into service to go out and search for him during
the storm. I'm real aware of storms and the problems that are incurred
by those who cannot evacuate - like special needs people. My mother was
a special needs case and I needed to go to the shelter with her since
she was a recent amputee.

Sandi

Sandi

"Sandi" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Gabby wrote:
>> > "rosie" > wrote in message
>> > ups.com...
>> >> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
>> >> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>> >>
>> >> Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
>> >> thing driving the price of oil.
>> >>
>> >> I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
>> >
>> > Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
>> > evacuating the area.
>> >
>> > Gabby
>>
>> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
>> are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption,
>> "I
>> won't leave, they can't make me".
>
> No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
> dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
> the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
> area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
> empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
> evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
>
> Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
> who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
> Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
> assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
> own the same. Too bad it isn't true.
>
> Sandi

Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some of
their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have
electronics....
Dee Dee


Dee Dee

Dee Randall wrote:
> "Sandi" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>Gabby wrote:
>>>
>>>>"rosie" > wrote in message
egroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
>>>>>their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
>>>>>thing driving the price of oil.
>>>>>
>>>>>I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
>>>>
>>>>Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
>>>>evacuating the area.
>>>>
>>>>Gabby
>>>
>>>No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
>>>are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption,
>>>"I
>>>won't leave, they can't make me".
>>
>>No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
>>dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
>>the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
>>area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
>>empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
>>evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
>>
>>Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
>>who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
>>Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
>>assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
>>own the same. Too bad it isn't true.
>>
>>Sandi
>
>
> Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some of
> their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have
> electronics....
> Dee Dee
>
>
> Dee Dee
>
>

Unfortunately, you are wrong. I've heard people say: "Give me your cell
number, . . ," assuming the other person has a cell. Likewise for e-mail
addy and so on. We ALL make assumptions sometime.


jim

Dee Randall wrote:


>
> Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some of
> their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have
> electronics....

You don't know how many Americans (and Europeans for that matter) I
have heard here in Honduras ask for phone numbers, cell phone numbers,
email addresses, etc. They just assume that people have these
conveniences. Many but not all, and that were the operative words in my
statement, assume people everywhere else are just like them...with all
the modern conveniences immediately at hand. It just ain't so.

A friend just got her phone number issued to her after a 4 year wait.
It will be another 6 months to a year before it is actually installed.
If she needs to make a call, she needs to find someone with phone or
walk the three miles into town to use the public phone in front of the
phone company office. Oh yeah....and for toilets and showers......her
mother has a screened off area in her yard with a hole for the toilet
and another screened off area with a 55gal drum that has a hose
attached to it as a shower. The village her mother lives in has one
phone for about 75 families. It is only accessible from 8a.m. to 8p.m.,
outgoing calls only. I knew the score before I moved here about phones,
TV, internet, etc. We'd still be waiting for a phone but the landlord
assigned one of his business lines to our house.
Americans that I've seen here are stunned when they are told there are
no private phone lines, no internet access, no TV reception, in many of
the small villages within 5 miles of town. I witness these assumptions
every time a new batch of Americans shows up in town. It's amazing
watching the show.

Sandi

On 29 Aug 2005 05:02:40 -0700, Sandi wrote:

>
> jmcquown wrote:
> > Gabby wrote:
> > > "rosie" > wrote in message
> > > ups.com...
> > >> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
> > >> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
> > >>
> > >> Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
> > >> thing driving the price of oil.
> > >>
> > >> I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
> > >
> > > Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
> > > evacuating the area.
> > >
> > > Gabby
> >
> > No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
> > are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption, "I
> > won't leave, they can't make me".
>
> No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
> dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
> the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
> area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
> empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
> evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
>
> Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
> who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
> Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
> assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
> own the same. Too bad it isn't true.
>
> Sandi

Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.

sf wrote:

> Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
> Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.



If I had a year's supply of food and water, I'd still leave for a good
while.

In practical terms, New Orleans is dead.

Imho,

Andy

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, sf wrote:

> On 29 Aug 2005 05:02:40 -0700, Sandi wrote:
>
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> > Gabby wrote:
>> >> "rosie" > wrote in message
>> >> ups.com...
>> >>> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
>> >>> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>> >>>
>> >>> Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
>> >>> thing driving the price of oil.
>> >>>
>> >>> I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
>> >>
>> >> Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
>> >> evacuating the area.
>> >>
>> >> Gabby
>> >
>> > No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
>> > are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption, "I
>> > won't leave, they can't make me".
>>
>> No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
>> dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
>> the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
>> area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
>> empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
>> evacuate on their own is overwhelming.

If they decided to evacuate pittsburgh today, I'd be dead. I accept that
as one of the prices of not having a car. If someone says evacuate an
area now, are you going to wait until I walk an hour to get to your house?

I have friends in this city, but not many live nearby.

Lena

okay, so maybe I could hotwire a car. If only I knew how....

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:55:53 -0700, sf > wrote:

>Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
>Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.

"Fool hearty" was an interesting typo - their hearts *were* foolish,
but hindsight is always 20/20.

Dammit.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

>No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?
Sounds a lot like "Let them eat cake". In many urban communities auto
ownership is not common, and there are only so many folks you can get
into one auto. Couple that with NO gasoline, and breakdowns due to
water getting into the works, and flooded roads ...

"Tony P." wrote:

> Perhaps if we weren't having our little misadventure in the Middle East
> and using National Guard troops to do the job we could airlift people
> north. But no.

Airlift people? Why? I live about 1500 miles north of there and I knew that it was
headed there two days ago. That was more than enough time for people to head for
safety.

> And from what I've been reading - this could also impact gasoline
> prices. Lots of refineries in that area.

Yep. That will be the next excuse to gouge consumers. I sure am glad that I
bought a Honda last month. Despite a 20% increase in the cost of gasoline, my
weekly gas bill is less than half what it was with my old van.

Dave Smith wrote:
> "Tony P." wrote:
>
>> Perhaps if we weren't having our little misadventure in the Middle
>> East
>> and using National Guard troops to do the job we could airlift people
>> north. But no.
>
> Airlift people? Why? I live about 1500 miles north of there and I
> knew that it was headed there two days ago. That was more than enough
> time for people to head for safety.
>
>> And from what I've been reading - this could also impact gasoline
>> prices. Lots of refineries in that area.
>
> Yep. That will be the next excuse to gouge consumers. I sure am glad
> that I bought a Honda last month. Despite a 20% increase in the cost
> of gasoline, my weekly gas bill is less than half what it was with my
> old van.

As I previously stated, some folks will use any excuse to jump on the
political band-wagon. It's not like hurricanes didn't exist before the
current administration. I seriously doubt Tony P. remembers the "oil
crisis" from the 1970's. We weathered that storm; we'll weather this one.

Jill

Getting back to food, Katrina will change the economy/ecology of south
Mississippi,entire Louisiana delta country and further. All of the
hotels,restaurants,cab drivers,cooks,wait,
musicians,bartenders,fisherman,farmers,will be affected..etc. The structural
devastation of the area may cause many property,restaurant,home
owner/renters,etc to seek employment else. No place to work,no jobs,nowhere
to live,and no way how to hold on long enough.. This may the devastation
that can destroy an entire ambience,lifestyle,cuisine of an area that should
be preserved at all cost. I am a fan of regional cuisine,however when we
loose the wonderful Creole Ladies and Mens that do their job so well,it is a
sad loss indeed. This is not to denegrate in any way other regional
cuisines,but to exault them. Love it all..if you will.

Merciful end to this post!

Hubert
Opelika,AL

..

In article >,
"hubert liverman" > wrote:

> Getting back to food, Katrina will change the economy/ecology of south
> Mississippi,entire Louisiana delta country and further. All of the
> hotels,restaurants,cab drivers,cooks,wait,
> musicians,bartenders,fisherman,farmers,will be affected..etc. The structural
> devastation of the area may cause many property,restaurant,home
> owner/renters,etc to seek employment else. No place to work,no jobs,nowhere
> to live,and no way how to hold on long enough.. This may the devastation
> that can destroy an entire ambience,lifestyle,cuisine of an area that should
> be preserved at all cost. I am a fan of regional cuisine,however when we
> loose the wonderful Creole Ladies and Mens that do their job so well,it is a
> sad loss indeed. This is not to denegrate in any way other regional
> cuisines,but to exault them. Love it all..if you will.
>
> Merciful end to this post!
>
> Hubert
> Opelika,AL
>
I hate "me too" posts, but ... Me too!

South Louisiana is the closest coast to Arkansas and has been our
favorite short vacation destination. Not NO, great as that city is, but
the towns south and west. New Years a year and a half ago we spent at
Grand Isle and the towns up the bayou. I wonder what's left of them? The
towns and the people and the food ... unique and precious. Worth
exalting. Love it all.

Pass the hot sauce.

Regards ... and stay out of the weather, Hubert,

Dave W.

--
Living in the Ozarks
For email, edu will do.

Regardless of what doesn't happen, there's always someone who knew it wouldn't.
R. Henry

"Dave W." > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "hubert liverman" > wrote:
>
> > Getting back to food, Katrina will change the economy/ecology of south
> > Mississippi,entire Louisiana delta country and further. All of the
> > hotels,restaurants,cab drivers,cooks,wait,
> > musicians,bartenders,fisherman,farmers,will be affected..etc. The
structural
> > devastation of the area may cause many property,restaurant,home
> > owner/renters,etc to seek employment else. No place to work,no
jobs,nowhere
> > to live,and no way how to hold on long enough.. This may the devastation
> > that can destroy an entire ambience,lifestyle,cuisine of an area that
should
> > be preserved at all cost. I am a fan of regional cuisine,however when we
> > loose the wonderful Creole Ladies and Mens that do their job so well,it
is a
> > sad loss indeed. This is not to denegrate in any way other regional
> > cuisines,but to exault them. Love it all..if you will.
> >
> > Merciful end to this post!
> >
> > Hubert
> > Opelika,AL
> >
> I hate "me too" posts, but ... Me too!
>
> South Louisiana is the closest coast to Arkansas and has been our
> favorite short vacation destination. Not NO, great as that city is, but
> the towns south and west. New Years a year and a half ago we spent at
> Grand Isle and the towns up the bayou. I wonder what's left of them? The
> towns and the people and the food ... unique and precious. Worth
> exalting. Love it all.
>
> Pass the hot sauce.
>
> Regards ... and stay out of the weather, Hubert,
>
> Dave W.

If Avery island has gone underwater,the only 'real' red hot sauce is
lost..- There were many places in NO that simple working 'ladies and
mens' ate that were great,if you knew of,and how to get to them. This is not
to say that one should not eat at the great resturants for starters..it is a
requirement. There are now over 50 not fortunate people at a local church
that got this far.Apparently all motels are filled to capacity. Local
restaurants have donated some meals,and the church has electricity,
television,and volunteers are helping 24 hours a day. Clothing,personal
items are coming available. Money is being collected locally. We are
sometimes 'set' in our ways here, but our hearts are expansive in times of
need.
I am trying to contact a friend on the coast who went down 2 weeks ago to
close on a new home. Another friend left the coast in May and moved into
northwest AL (their home was blown away last year)...there is more damage
there than here. The cultural and econmic map has changed forever in the
gulf coast region...it is a real loss for all.

Hubert
Oplika.AL

In article >,
"hubert liverman" > wrote:

> "Dave W." > wrote in message

> > I hate "me too" posts, but ... Me too!
> >
> If Avery island has gone underwater,the only 'real' red hot sauce is
> lost..- There were many places in NO that simple working 'ladies and
> mens' ate that were great,if you knew of,and how to get to them. This is not
> to say that one should not eat at the great resturants for starters..it is a
> requirement. There are now over 50 not fortunate people at a local church
> that got this far.Apparently all motels are filled to capacity. Local
> restaurants have donated some meals,and the church has electricity,
> television,and volunteers are helping 24 hours a day. Clothing,personal
> items are coming available. Money is being collected locally. We are
> sometimes 'set' in our ways here, but our hearts are expansive in times of
> need.
> I am trying to contact a friend on the coast who went down 2 weeks ago to
> close on a new home. Another friend left the coast in May and moved into
> northwest AL (their home was blown away last year)...there is more damage
> there than here. The cultural and econmic map has changed forever in the
> gulf coast region...it is a real loss for all.
>
> Hubert
> Oplika.AL

Brings tears to my eyes. We have refugees showing up here in
Fayetteville, northwest Arkansas. Its heartbreaking.

Dave W.

--
Living in the Ozarks
For email, edu will do.

Regardless of what doesn't happen, there's always someone who knew it wouldn't.
R. Henry

>
> > Getting back to food, Katrina will change the economy/ecology of south
> > Mississippi,entire Louisiana delta country and further. All of the
> > hotels,restaurants,cab drivers,cooks,wait,
> > musicians,bartenders,fisherman,farmers,will be affected..etc. The
structural
> > devastation of the area may cause many property,restaurant,home
> > owner/renters,etc to seek employment else. No place to work,no
jobs,nowhere
> > to live,and no way how to hold on long enough.. This may the devastation
> > that can destroy an entire ambience,lifestyle,cuisine of an area that
should
> > be preserved at all cost. I am a fan of regional cuisine,however when we
> > loose the wonderful Creole Ladies and Mens that do their job so well,it
is a
> > sad loss indeed. This is not to denegrate in any way other regional
> > cuisines,but to exault them. Love it all..if you will.

I was close on this, however I forgot to include the barge,refinery,port of
NO workers etc. Time is just now beginning to tell its tale.

Hubert

jmcquown wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > "Tony P." wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps if we weren't having our little misadventure in the Middle
> >> East
> >> and using National Guard troops to do the job we could airlift people
> >> north. But no.
> >
> > Airlift people? Why? I live about 1500 miles north of there and I
> > knew that it was headed there two days ago. That was more than enough
> > time for people to head for safety.
> >
> >> And from what I've been reading - this could also impact gasoline
> >> prices. Lots of refineries in that area.
> >
> > Yep. That will be the next excuse to gouge consumers. I sure am glad
> > that I bought a Honda last month. Despite a 20% increase in the cost
> > of gasoline, my weekly gas bill is less than half what it was with my
> > old van.
>
> As I previously stated, some folks will use any excuse to jump on the
> political band-wagon. It's not like hurricanes didn't exist before the
> current administration. I seriously doubt Tony P. remembers the "oil
> crisis" from the 1970's. We weathered that storm; we'll weather this one.
>
> Jill

Adversity only makes us stronger... those who were affected will emerge
stronger and in a better position.

Sheldon

jmcquown wrote:
>>
> As I previously stated, some folks will use any excuse to jump on the
> political band-wagon. It's not like hurricanes didn't exist before the
> current administration. We weathered that storm; we'll weather this one.

Hey Jill, of course we'll weather this storm... but don't you find it
kinda strange that not one other country has offered so much as
condolences, let alone offered to lend a hand (I expect no money) but
utility crews, rescue teams, medics, even kitchen crews to fix
sammiches and tend the stew pots? I don't find that strange at all,
they all hate us. What I do find strange is how the US is ALWAYS there
to help with any country's disaster... I had anything to say I'd never
send so much as cent anywhere for any reason whatsoever... were any
other country had folks about to drown I'd offer to **** on them,
maybe.

I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.

Sheldon

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
ups.com...

<snip>

> I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
> mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
> planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
> Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
> drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.
>
> Sheldon

Stop sugar coating you feelings - tell us what you really think :-)

Dimitri

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
> <snip>
>
>> I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
>> mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
>> planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
>> Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
>> drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.
>>
>> Sheldon
>
> Stop sugar coating you feelings - tell us what you really think :-)
>
> Dimitri
Good heavens! I am glad I have him killfiled.
So did he say anything about Aussies?
;-)

Liz