"Tony P." wrote:

> Perhaps if we weren't having our little misadventure in the Middle East
> and using National Guard troops to do the job we could airlift people
> north. But no.

Airlift people? Why? I live about 1500 miles north of there and I knew that it was
headed there two days ago. That was more than enough time for people to head for
safety.

> And from what I've been reading - this could also impact gasoline
> prices. Lots of refineries in that area.

Yep. That will be the next excuse to gouge consumers. I sure am glad that I
bought a Honda last month. Despite a 20% increase in the cost of gasoline, my
weekly gas bill is less than half what it was with my old van.

Dave Smith wrote:
> "Tony P." wrote:
>
>> Perhaps if we weren't having our little misadventure in the Middle
>> East
>> and using National Guard troops to do the job we could airlift people
>> north. But no.
>
> Airlift people? Why? I live about 1500 miles north of there and I
> knew that it was headed there two days ago. That was more than enough
> time for people to head for safety.
>
>> And from what I've been reading - this could also impact gasoline
>> prices. Lots of refineries in that area.
>
> Yep. That will be the next excuse to gouge consumers. I sure am glad
> that I bought a Honda last month. Despite a 20% increase in the cost
> of gasoline, my weekly gas bill is less than half what it was with my
> old van.

As I previously stated, some folks will use any excuse to jump on the
political band-wagon. It's not like hurricanes didn't exist before the
current administration. I seriously doubt Tony P. remembers the "oil
crisis" from the 1970's. We weathered that storm; we'll weather this one.

Jill

Getting back to food, Katrina will change the economy/ecology of south
Mississippi,entire Louisiana delta country and further. All of the
hotels,restaurants,cab drivers,cooks,wait,
musicians,bartenders,fisherman,farmers,will be affected..etc. The structural
devastation of the area may cause many property,restaurant,home
owner/renters,etc to seek employment else. No place to work,no jobs,nowhere
to live,and no way how to hold on long enough.. This may the devastation
that can destroy an entire ambience,lifestyle,cuisine of an area that should
be preserved at all cost. I am a fan of regional cuisine,however when we
loose the wonderful Creole Ladies and Mens that do their job so well,it is a
sad loss indeed. This is not to denegrate in any way other regional
cuisines,but to exault them. Love it all..if you will.

Merciful end to this post!

Hubert
Opelika,AL

..

In article >,
"hubert liverman" > wrote:

> Getting back to food, Katrina will change the economy/ecology of south
> Mississippi,entire Louisiana delta country and further. All of the
> hotels,restaurants,cab drivers,cooks,wait,
> musicians,bartenders,fisherman,farmers,will be affected..etc. The structural
> devastation of the area may cause many property,restaurant,home
> owner/renters,etc to seek employment else. No place to work,no jobs,nowhere
> to live,and no way how to hold on long enough.. This may the devastation
> that can destroy an entire ambience,lifestyle,cuisine of an area that should
> be preserved at all cost. I am a fan of regional cuisine,however when we
> loose the wonderful Creole Ladies and Mens that do their job so well,it is a
> sad loss indeed. This is not to denegrate in any way other regional
> cuisines,but to exault them. Love it all..if you will.
>
> Merciful end to this post!
>
> Hubert
> Opelika,AL
>
I hate "me too" posts, but ... Me too!

South Louisiana is the closest coast to Arkansas and has been our
favorite short vacation destination. Not NO, great as that city is, but
the towns south and west. New Years a year and a half ago we spent at
Grand Isle and the towns up the bayou. I wonder what's left of them? The
towns and the people and the food ... unique and precious. Worth
exalting. Love it all.

Pass the hot sauce.

Regards ... and stay out of the weather, Hubert,

Dave W.

--
Living in the Ozarks
For email, edu will do.

Regardless of what doesn't happen, there's always someone who knew it wouldn't.
R. Henry

"Dave W." > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "hubert liverman" > wrote:
>
> > Getting back to food, Katrina will change the economy/ecology of south
> > Mississippi,entire Louisiana delta country and further. All of the
> > hotels,restaurants,cab drivers,cooks,wait,
> > musicians,bartenders,fisherman,farmers,will be affected..etc. The
structural
> > devastation of the area may cause many property,restaurant,home
> > owner/renters,etc to seek employment else. No place to work,no
jobs,nowhere
> > to live,and no way how to hold on long enough.. This may the devastation
> > that can destroy an entire ambience,lifestyle,cuisine of an area that
should
> > be preserved at all cost. I am a fan of regional cuisine,however when we
> > loose the wonderful Creole Ladies and Mens that do their job so well,it
is a
> > sad loss indeed. This is not to denegrate in any way other regional
> > cuisines,but to exault them. Love it all..if you will.
> >
> > Merciful end to this post!
> >
> > Hubert
> > Opelika,AL
> >
> I hate "me too" posts, but ... Me too!
>
> South Louisiana is the closest coast to Arkansas and has been our
> favorite short vacation destination. Not NO, great as that city is, but
> the towns south and west. New Years a year and a half ago we spent at
> Grand Isle and the towns up the bayou. I wonder what's left of them? The
> towns and the people and the food ... unique and precious. Worth
> exalting. Love it all.
>
> Pass the hot sauce.
>
> Regards ... and stay out of the weather, Hubert,
>
> Dave W.

If Avery island has gone underwater,the only 'real' red hot sauce is
lost..- There were many places in NO that simple working 'ladies and
mens' ate that were great,if you knew of,and how to get to them. This is not
to say that one should not eat at the great resturants for starters..it is a
requirement. There are now over 50 not fortunate people at a local church
that got this far.Apparently all motels are filled to capacity. Local
restaurants have donated some meals,and the church has electricity,
television,and volunteers are helping 24 hours a day. Clothing,personal
items are coming available. Money is being collected locally. We are
sometimes 'set' in our ways here, but our hearts are expansive in times of
need.
I am trying to contact a friend on the coast who went down 2 weeks ago to
close on a new home. Another friend left the coast in May and moved into
northwest AL (their home was blown away last year)...there is more damage
there than here. The cultural and econmic map has changed forever in the
gulf coast region...it is a real loss for all.

Hubert
Oplika.AL

In article >,
"hubert liverman" > wrote:

> "Dave W." > wrote in message

> > I hate "me too" posts, but ... Me too!
> >
> If Avery island has gone underwater,the only 'real' red hot sauce is
> lost..- There were many places in NO that simple working 'ladies and
> mens' ate that were great,if you knew of,and how to get to them. This is not
> to say that one should not eat at the great resturants for starters..it is a
> requirement. There are now over 50 not fortunate people at a local church
> that got this far.Apparently all motels are filled to capacity. Local
> restaurants have donated some meals,and the church has electricity,
> television,and volunteers are helping 24 hours a day. Clothing,personal
> items are coming available. Money is being collected locally. We are
> sometimes 'set' in our ways here, but our hearts are expansive in times of
> need.
> I am trying to contact a friend on the coast who went down 2 weeks ago to
> close on a new home. Another friend left the coast in May and moved into
> northwest AL (their home was blown away last year)...there is more damage
> there than here. The cultural and econmic map has changed forever in the
> gulf coast region...it is a real loss for all.
>
> Hubert
> Oplika.AL

Brings tears to my eyes. We have refugees showing up here in
Fayetteville, northwest Arkansas. Its heartbreaking.

Dave W.

--
Living in the Ozarks
For email, edu will do.

Regardless of what doesn't happen, there's always someone who knew it wouldn't.
R. Henry

"Dave W." > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "hubert liverman" > wrote:
>
> > "Dave W." > wrote in message
>
> > > I hate "me too" posts, but ... Me too!
The cultural and econmic map has changed forever in the
> > gulf coast region...it is a real loss for all.
> >
> > Hubert

> Brings tears to my eyes. We have refugees showing up here in
> Fayetteville, northwest Arkansas. Its heartbreaking.
>
> Dave W.

A little gallows humor here....Lets start a franchise operation and hire as
many Creole/Cajun cooks/waitstaff as we can and go nation wide. Them folks
way outta town won't know what hit them. Good food,service and the patios of
a soft southern voice will astound them. They won't comprehend the subtile
ironic humor of selling them a nostalga that they only imagine. We might as
well as admit that NO is the Venice Of America... lots of bad water in the
streets.

Oh Well....

Cheers

Hubert

>
> > Getting back to food, Katrina will change the economy/ecology of south
> > Mississippi,entire Louisiana delta country and further. All of the
> > hotels,restaurants,cab drivers,cooks,wait,
> > musicians,bartenders,fisherman,farmers,will be affected..etc. The
structural
> > devastation of the area may cause many property,restaurant,home
> > owner/renters,etc to seek employment else. No place to work,no
jobs,nowhere
> > to live,and no way how to hold on long enough.. This may the devastation
> > that can destroy an entire ambience,lifestyle,cuisine of an area that
should
> > be preserved at all cost. I am a fan of regional cuisine,however when we
> > loose the wonderful Creole Ladies and Mens that do their job so well,it
is a
> > sad loss indeed. This is not to denegrate in any way other regional
> > cuisines,but to exault them. Love it all..if you will.

I was close on this, however I forgot to include the barge,refinery,port of
NO workers etc. Time is just now beginning to tell its tale.

Hubert

jmcquown wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > "Tony P." wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps if we weren't having our little misadventure in the Middle
> >> East
> >> and using National Guard troops to do the job we could airlift people
> >> north. But no.
> >
> > Airlift people? Why? I live about 1500 miles north of there and I
> > knew that it was headed there two days ago. That was more than enough
> > time for people to head for safety.
> >
> >> And from what I've been reading - this could also impact gasoline
> >> prices. Lots of refineries in that area.
> >
> > Yep. That will be the next excuse to gouge consumers. I sure am glad
> > that I bought a Honda last month. Despite a 20% increase in the cost
> > of gasoline, my weekly gas bill is less than half what it was with my
> > old van.
>
> As I previously stated, some folks will use any excuse to jump on the
> political band-wagon. It's not like hurricanes didn't exist before the
> current administration. I seriously doubt Tony P. remembers the "oil
> crisis" from the 1970's. We weathered that storm; we'll weather this one.
>
> Jill

Adversity only makes us stronger... those who were affected will emerge
stronger and in a better position.

Sheldon

jmcquown wrote:
>>
> As I previously stated, some folks will use any excuse to jump on the
> political band-wagon. It's not like hurricanes didn't exist before the
> current administration. We weathered that storm; we'll weather this one.

Hey Jill, of course we'll weather this storm... but don't you find it
kinda strange that not one other country has offered so much as
condolences, let alone offered to lend a hand (I expect no money) but
utility crews, rescue teams, medics, even kitchen crews to fix
sammiches and tend the stew pots? I don't find that strange at all,
they all hate us. What I do find strange is how the US is ALWAYS there
to help with any country's disaster... I had anything to say I'd never
send so much as cent anywhere for any reason whatsoever... were any
other country had folks about to drown I'd offer to **** on them,
maybe.

I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.

Sheldon

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
ups.com...

<snip>

> I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
> mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
> planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
> Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
> drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.
>
> Sheldon

Stop sugar coating you feelings - tell us what you really think :-)

Dimitri

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
> <snip>
>
>> I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
>> mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
>> planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
>> Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
>> drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.
>>
>> Sheldon
>
> Stop sugar coating you feelings - tell us what you really think :-)
>
> Dimitri
Good heavens! I am glad I have him killfiled.
So did he say anything about Aussies?
;-)

Liz

Staycalm wrote:

> "Dimitri" > wrote in message
> m...
>
>>"Sheldon" > wrote in message
roups.com...
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
>>>mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
>>>planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
>>>Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
>>>drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.
>>>
>>>Sheldon
>>
>>Stop sugar coating you feelings - tell us what you really think :-)
>>
>>Dimitri
>
> Good heavens! I am glad I have him killfiled.
> So did he say anything about Aussies?
> ;-)
>
> Liz
>
>
Nope, you guys got left out this time. I used to watch an Australian
soap called Country Practice until CBC decided to no longer carry it. I
so want to take a trip to Australia before I die. I'm curious about
Australian cuisine so I hope you don't mind me asking. Is is more
British in flavour or does it lean towards the Aboriginal or somewhere
in between? Do you guys really eat the joeys? I know the barby is big
down under. I'd really love to hear a little more about Australian
cuisine in general and not the fancy gourmet stuff but the everyday what
you would eat things. Thanks so much in advance.

~patches~ wrote:

> I'm curious about Australian cuisine so I hope you don't mind me asking.
> Is is more British in flavour or does it lean towards the Aboriginal or
> somewhere in between? Do you guys really eat the joeys? I know the barby
> is big down under. I'd really love to hear a little more about Australian
> cuisine in general and not the fancy gourmet stuff but the everyday what
> you would eat things. Thanks so much in advance.

This isn't exactly an answer to your question, but your question reminded me
that I'd been meaning to post this. It's from the foreword to _Terrific
Pacific Cookbook_, by Anya Von Bremzen and John Welchman:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
The idea for _Terrific Pacific_ was born out of a two-year sojourn in
Australia in the early '90s. Half-expecting to subsist on meals of
overcooked roast, three vegetables, and canned lager, John and I were
stunned to discover that these clichés were a decade out of date and we had
entered the incredible kingdom of food Down Under. A Pacific country with
strong European traditions, naturally situated on the crossroads between
East and West, Australia was emerging as the most convincing point of
connection between Oriental and Occidental products and cuisines. We were
enchanted by the imaginative creations of Australian chefs, who presented us
with a Five-Spice Duck Pie with Ginger Glaze, Miso-Flavored Oyster Gratin,
and New Zealand Scampi with Green Tea Sauce.

Australian food is the Pacific equivalent of border cuisine, like Tex-Mex in
the American Southwest. It is multicultural eating at its best. I was
astonished by the ease, casualness, and skill with which even Australian
home cooks juggle Asian and European ingredients and techniques.
-----------------------------------------------------------------


Bob

~patches~ wrote on 30 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking

> Staycalm wrote:
>
> > "Dimitri" > wrote in message
> > m...
> >
> >>"Sheldon" > wrote in message
> roups.com...
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>
> >>>I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate
> >>>canadians, mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst
> >>>garbage on the planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give
> >>>nothing... PARASITES! Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL
> >>>of them. Europeans need drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY
> >>>*******s.
> >>>
> >>>Sheldon
> >>
> >>Stop sugar coating you feelings - tell us what you really think
> >>:-)
> >>
> >>Dimitri
> >
> > Good heavens! I am glad I have him killfiled.
> > So did he say anything about Aussies?
> > ;-)
> >
> > Liz
> >
> >
> Nope, you guys got left out this time. I used to watch an
> Australian soap called Country Practice until CBC decided to no
> longer carry it. I so want to take a trip to Australia before I
> die. I'm curious about Australian cuisine so I hope you don't mind
> me asking. Is is more British in flavour or does it lean towards
> the Aboriginal or somewhere in between? Do you guys really eat the
> joeys? I know the barby is big down under. I'd really love to hear
> a little more about Australian cuisine in general and not the fancy
> gourmet stuff but the everyday what
> you would eat things. Thanks so much in advance.
>

I remember watching "Flying Doctor" a Aussie serial on CBC in the early
60's.

--
The eyes are the mirrors....
But the ears...Ah the ears.
The ears keep the hat up.

"~patches~" > wrote in message
...

> Nope, you guys got left out this time. I used to watch an Australian soap
> called Country Practice until CBC decided to no longer carry it. I so
> want to take a trip to Australia before I die. I'm curious about
> Australian cuisine so I hope you don't mind me asking. Is is more British
> in flavour or does it lean towards the Aboriginal or somewhere in between?
> Do you guys really eat the joeys? I know the barby is big down under.
> I'd really love to hear a little more about Australian cuisine in general
> and not the fancy gourmet stuff but the everyday what you would eat
> things. Thanks so much in advance.

A Country Practice is a great fave. Until recently they were replaying the
eps on TV (it's rather ancient).
As for food, we lean to multicultural (mixture of everything) because of our
many years of accepting migrants from all over the globe, so we get the best
of all possible worlds. We have also been exposed to many years of cooking
shows from all over as well (love Iron Chef!). We don't consider British
food to be that great (apart from Delia, Jamie Oliver and a few more modern
cooks) but we many of us have it as a heritage (roasts etc). Now our
influences seem to be very much Asian with a huge smattering of Italian,
Greek and lots of other middle eastern foods. Aboriginal food is called bush
tucker and is generally way too problematic for us mostly urban dwellers to
cook/eat. Roo is occasionally eaten (it is very lean) but is still seen as a
less popular meat as is emu. We like BBQs because we have the weather for it
and until recently meat was cheap. That has changed a lot so I think the BBQ
is not as widespread as it once was. We eat a lot of chicken though. A lot
of the time we eat way too much fast food. Just like the US.

Liz

Liz wrote about Sheldon's mouth-foaming diatribe:

> Good heavens! I am glad I have him killfiled.
> So did he say anything about Aussies?
> ;-)

Not specifically, but Sheldon thinks Australia is part of Europe. :-)

Bob

Forget your med again, Sheldon ?

Sheldon wrote:

> I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
> mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
> planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
> Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
> drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.

Two observations:

1. Sheldon, it's time to take your medicine again.
2. I think we all know that Sheldon lacks the courage to ever say that kind
of thing IN PERSON to a Canadian, Mexican, or "European."

(And what's with lumping together everybody from Europe? Does Sheldon REALLY
think Danes and Greeks share a common culture? Well...I suppose he COULD be
that ignorant...Come to think of it, Sheldon probably thinks that Guatemala
is part of Mexico and that Canada owns Alaska and Greenland.)

Bob

On Tue 30 Aug 2005 01:08:31p, Bob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Sheldon wrote:
>
>> I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
>> mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
>> planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
>> Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
>> drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.
>
> Two observations:
>
> 1. Sheldon, it's time to take your medicine again.
> 2. I think we all know that Sheldon lacks the courage to ever say that
> kind of thing IN PERSON to a Canadian, Mexican, or "European."
>
> (And what's with lumping together everybody from Europe? Does Sheldon
> REALLY think Danes and Greeks share a common culture? Well...I suppose
> he COULD be that ignorant...Come to think of it, Sheldon probably thinks
> that Guatemala is part of Mexico and that Canada owns Alaska and
> Greenland.)
>
> Bob

Meds, hell! What he needs is a pre-frontal lobotomy and a few shock
treatments. After that, he *might* be able to live among society, but I
doubt even that.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

Sheldon wrote:

> Hey Jill, of course we'll weather this storm... but don't you find it
> kinda strange that not one other country has offered so much as
> condolences, let alone offered to lend a hand (I expect no money) but
> utility crews, rescue teams, medics, even kitchen crews to fix
> sammiches and tend the stew pots? I don't find that strange at all,
> they all hate us. What I do find strange is how the US is ALWAYS there
> to help with any country's disaster...


Yup...damn straight, Sheldon, THANK YOU, I was just thinking the same thing.
Take a gander at what the Krauts (of ALL people) are saying about the event,
they have the nerve to lecture us! :.


SPIEGEL ONLINE - August 30, 2005, 03:39 PM
URL: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...372179,00.html
"German Papers

Katrina Should be A Lesson To US on Global Warming

Seems like everything is President Bush's fault. One day after Katrina
hammered the Gulf Coast, German commentators are laying into the US for its
stubborn attitude to global warming and Kyoto.

Fun-loving New Orleans, now a disaster area.
Hurricane Katrina is big news for German commentators, whatever their ilk.
For some, the powerful storm which slammed the Gulf Coast on Monday, is a
symbol of the sort of environmental terrors awaiting the world thanks to
global warming and proof positive that America needs to quickly reverse its
policy of playing down climate change. For the more conservative, it is
simply another regrettable natural catastrophe.

Regardless of how one views it, Katrina has not only devastated parts of
Louisiana and Mississippi and killed dozens, it also has threatened the US
and its trading partners with economic instability. The Gulf Coast states
refine about 30 percent of America's oil supply and Katrina's damage is
threatening to cause already-high oil costs to skyrocket. The fun-loving
town of New Orleans, beloved for its moody, French-inspired bars, crooning
jazz riffs and free-for-all Mardi Gras spirit, has transformed into a watery
ghost town, with 80 percent of the city's 480,000 residents obeying the
mayor's call to evacuate. The pictures tell it all: frantic racing through
chest-deep water, flooded city streets and uprooted trees. The storm even
ripped off a chunk of the roof of the New Orleans Superdome, where close to
10,000 people had run to for cover.

The toughest commentary of the day comes from Germany's Environmental
Minister, Jürgen Trittin, a Green Party member, who takes space in the
Frankfurter Rundschau, a paper owned by the Social Democrats, to bash US
President George W. Bush's environmental laxity. He begins by likening the
photos and videos of the hurricane stricken areas to scenes from a Roland
Emmerich sci-fi film and insists that global warming and climate change are
making it ever more likely that storms and floods will plague America and
Europe. "There is only one possible route of action," he writes. "Greenhouse
gases have to be radically reduced and it has to happen worldwide. Until
now, the US has kept its eyes shut to this emergency. (Americans) make up a
mere 4 percent of the population, but are responsible for close to a quarter
of emissions." He adds that the average American is responsible for double
as much carbon dioxide as the average European. "The Bush government rejects
international climate protection goals by insisting that imposing them would
negatively impact the American economy. The American president is closing
his eyes to the economic and human costs his land and the world economy are
suffering under natural catastrophes like Katrina and because of neglected
environmental policies." As such, Trittin also calls for a reworking of the
Kyoto Protocol -- dubbing it the uncreative title of "Kyoto 2" -- and
insisting that the US be included.

The left-leaning Die Tageszeitung also delivers a punchy plea for more
attention to global warming, saying politicians should pay more attention to
Katrina's alarming images than to election polls and economic forecasts.
"Hurricane Katrina has delivered terrible photos. Experts are already
calling it the worst hurricane of all time. But this year's hurricane season
has only just begun. Flooded villages, mud slides, sandbags....Scientists
are quite calmly saying that we will see this kind of thing more often.
After all, this is what they have been forecasting for years -- climate
change, human-caused and irreversible. But a change of policy is not in the
cards. Politics is trapped between voters and industry lobbyists. And of
course, there is the killer argument: Protecting the environment impedes
economic growth." This is not how it should be, the paper opines. Indeed,
more "pictures from New Orleans should encourage us to follow science's
advice on climate protection."

The business daily Handelsblatt has a more pragmatic approach to viewing the
catastrophe. Instead of harping on the cause of hurricanes and other
disasters, it insists that the world should better help those in danger get
protection. "People will argue about the causes of climate change for a long
time to come," the paper writes. "But its effects are already reality. They
are called Katrina, or the flood catastrophes in southern Germany, Romania,
Switzerland and Austria.... It's not enough now to just call for measures
against climate change. Such policies need decades to take effect. But now
we must begin taking different kinds of measures, ones that better protect
people affected by extreme weather incidents." The best way to begin, says
the paper, is to identify areas of the globe most in danger. In Germany,
that includes areas around the Elbe and Donau rivers, while in the
Netherlands, much of the nation is under sea level. More needs to be done,
says the paper, to prevent building in potentially dangerous areas and to
create high water emergency policies. The world, too, needs to help nations
like Bangladesh, which doesn't have the means to reduce the risks its people
face alone. "All of this will cost time, a lot of money and the eradication
of old habits. But only in this way can people be protected and the
even-higher costs of post-catastrophe damages be reduced."

The Financial Times Deutschland refrains from any commentary about the human
costs of the hurricane and focuses on the economic impact it will have on
oil supplies. "For the already-strained global energy market, Katrina is a
small nightma The huge world-wide demand for oil has left producers and
workers pushing their limits of capacity. If production platforms and
refineries on the Gulf of Mexico have to shut down, the supply holes will
not be easy to fill." Even if the current projects of the economic impact of
Katrina are exaggerated, one thing is clear, the paper says. In the end, the
storm will have proven "the vulnerability of the oil-dependent world
economy."

The Süddeutsche Zeitung uses its feature page as a defacto editorial by
focusing on the hurricane as its theme of the day. Among its articles, it
cites a study by US hurricane expert Kerry Emanuel of the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology that shows a rising tendency for hurricanes that
exactly reflects the curve of greenhouse gases. German scientists from the
Max-Planck Institute hail the study as the first proof of a real link. "If
this man-made warming continues, we will have to expect stronger storms in
future" Emmanuel tells the paper.

The conservative Die Welt, naturally, has an altogether different take on
Katrina, insisting that despite the terrible images broadcast, we should not
get hysterical about the environmental implications of the hurricane or
start screaming for change. After all, it says, "hurricanes are a natural
phenomenon. They occurred long before humans could be affected by them.
Whether the frequency and intensity of these storms has truly increased in
recent years has not yet been proven with statistics." Whether humans have
aversely affected the Earth's climate or not, the paper says, one thing is
clear "we have modern technology to thank that Katrina was not able to do
more damage." Indeed, thanks to early warning systems, the people of New
Orleans were evacuated before the storm hit. "One hundred years ago, a
tropical storm as strong as Katarina would likely have caused many deaths,
because it would have hit people unawares." Now, says the paper, we should
be grateful technology allows us to save so many lives."


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Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
> > Hey Jill, of course we'll weather this storm... but don't you find it
> > kinda strange that not one other country has offered so much as
> > condolences, let alone offered to lend a hand (I expect no money) but
> > utility crews, rescue teams, medics, even kitchen crews to fix
> > sammiches and tend the stew pots? I don't find that strange at all,
> > they all hate us. What I do find strange is how the US is ALWAYS there
> > to help with any country's disaster...
>
>
> Yup...damn straight, Sheldon, THANK YOU, I was just thinking the same thing.
> Take a gander at what the Krauts (of ALL people) are saying about the event,
> they have the nerve to lecture us! :.

Only shit for brains sorts like Boob Eichman and Semen Breath Nagayuro
can't get it... obviously they're not Americans. The only thing the
rest of the planet's putzes are concerned with is that the US has some
extra bills this month so they had better not have any disasters of
their own for a bit. Natchly the krauts are still dreaming of taking
over the world, so are the japs... of course it's dollars to donuts
they're in on the world wide plot to arm the towelhead camel humpers.



> SPIEGEL ONLINE - August 30, 2005, 03:39 PM
> URL: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...372179,00.html
> "German Papers
>
> Katrina Should be A Lesson To US on Global Warming
>
> Seems like everything is President Bush's fault.

<das schnip>

It all makes me very sad. We help everyone. Where something bad happens
to us, where are those we helped ? Where is the rest of the world?? We
get lectures, not help..
Rosie

On Tue 30 Aug 2005 02:34:51p, rosie wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> It all makes me very sad. We help everyone. Where something bad happens
> to us, where are those we helped ? Where is the rest of the world?? We
> get lectures, not help..
> Rosie

I was thinking that myself, but then I began to wonder if they think we're so
big and powerful that we don't actually need outside help. (The German
article notwithstanding.)

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

writes:
>It all makes me very sad. We help everyone. Where something bad happens
>to us, where are those we helped ? Where is the rest of the world?? We
>get lectures, not help..
>Rosie
>

is this rec.food.cooking or alt.out-to-lunch?

is this the same USA that had to be shamed by the rest of the world into
upgrading our pledge to tsunami aid from "stingy" to "appropriate"?

is it the alcohol or are you all forgetting these things on purpose?

rosie wrote:

> It all makes me very sad. We help everyone. Where something bad
> happens to us, where are those we helped ? Where is the rest of the
> world?? We get lectures, not help..
> Rosie

Venezula has offered to help.




Brian

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005
~Sheldon wrote:
~
~> Hey Jill, of course we'll weather this storm... but don't you find
it
~> kinda strange that not one other country has offered so much as
~> condolences, let alone offered to lend a hand (I expect no money)
but
~> utility crews, rescue teams, medics, even kitchen crews to fix
~> sammiches and tend the stew pots?

In the 84 hurricane that hit RI, Robert, IIRC, we were without power
for close to a week, and it would have been longer had not the linemen
from Canada come down to lend a hand.

RI sent a crew or two of linemen down to the Gulf Coast to lend a
hand, and there was a list of 15 or 20 agencies (Including Second
Harvest) that is collecting funds to purchase aid for the folks who
are in need.

maxine in ri

One time on Usenet, maxine in ri said:
> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 Sheldon wrote:

>> Hey Jill, of course we'll weather this storm... but don't you find
>> it kinda strange that not one other country has offered so much as
>> condolences, let alone offered to lend a hand (I expect no money)
>> but utility crews, rescue teams, medics, even kitchen crews to fix
>> sammiches and tend the stew pots?

> In the 84 hurricane that hit RI, Robert, IIRC, we were without power
> for close to a week, and it would have been longer had not the linemen
> from Canada come down to lend a hand.
>
> RI sent a crew or two of linemen down to the Gulf Coast to lend a
> hand, and there was a list of 15 or 20 agencies (Including Second
> Harvest) that is collecting funds to purchase aid for the folks who
> are in need.

According to local news here in Western WA, several Seattle area
groups are preparing to head down to Louisiana and Mississippi, and
agencies are collecting funds. I'm sure there are similar actions
being taken in each of the other 50 states. Maybe foreign aid isn't
pouring in at the moment because they're waiting to see if we can
care for ourselves. Given the size and relative wealth of the U.S.
that's not an unreasonable expectation, IMO...

--
Jani in WA (S'mee)
~ mom, VidGamer, novice cook, dieter ~

maxine in ri > writes:
> In the 84 hurricane that hit RI, Robert, IIRC, we were without power
> for close to a week, and it would have been longer had not the linemen
> from Canada come down to lend a hand.

You sure about the year? 84 wasn't that much of a hurricane year as
far as damage, except for Diana which hit NC.

The big one I can recall from that period that hit RI was Gloria in
1985, and then Bob in 1991.

--
Richard W Kaszeta

http://www.kaszeta.org/rich

Sheldon wrote:

> I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
> mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
> planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
> Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
> drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.
>
> Sheldon
>

Thanks for removing all doubt about your bigotry, shelliebigotbabie.
Miss you drug check earlier?


jim

Sheldon wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
>
>>As I previously stated, some folks will use any excuse to jump on the
>>political band-wagon. It's not like hurricanes didn't exist before the
>>current administration. We weathered that storm; we'll weather this one.
>
>
> Hey Jill, of course we'll weather this storm... but don't you find it
> kinda strange that not one other country has offered so much as
> condolences, let alone offered to lend a hand (I expect no money) but
> utility crews, rescue teams, medics, even kitchen crews to fix
> sammiches and tend the stew pots? I don't find that strange at all,
> they all hate us. What I do find strange is how the US is ALWAYS there
> to help with any country's disaster... I had anything to say I'd never
> send so much as cent anywhere for any reason whatsoever... were any
> other country had folks about to drown I'd offer to **** on them,
> maybe.
>
> I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
> mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
> planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
> Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
> drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.

I hope you don't speak for all Americans As a Canadian I take great
offense to your statement as I'm sure others do. Shame on you.

"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
> I hope you don't speak for all Americans As a Canadian I take great
> offense to your statement as I'm sure others do. Shame on you.
>

No, most of the rest of us don't even consider him much of
an American. He's best simply ignored, unless you find that sort
of thing perversely entertaining.

Bob M.

Bob Myers wrote:

> "~patches~" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>I hope you don't speak for all Americans As a Canadian I take great
>>offense to your statement as I'm sure others do. Shame on you.
>>
>
>
> No, most of the rest of us don't even consider him much of
> an American. He's best simply ignored, unless you find that sort
> of thing perversely entertaining.
>
> Bob M.
>
>
>
That's good to hear I know our local churches have already sprung to
action with collections of clothes and food to go down to the devastated
areas as well as any available hand that can help. DH and I might even
go and we are certainly donating clothes, food, and money. It ticks me
off to hear such nonsense as written by that guy. I gave him the
benefit of a doubt thinking that he couldn't be all that bad. I was
wrong and now I have taken the valuable advise of those wiser here.
He's where he belongs! I don't find that kind of thing entertaining at all.

Obfood - food & water is desperately needed in the hurricane areas.
Please donate whatever you can. Several churches and charities
including the Red Cross have set up drop off points. Oh and don't
forget to donate blood if you possibly can. I'm sure there will be a
need for it in the hurricane areas as well.

~patches~ wrote:

> Obfood - food & water is desperately needed in the hurricane areas. Please
> donate whatever you can. Several churches and charities including the Red
> Cross have set up drop off points. Oh and don't forget to donate blood if
> you possibly can. I'm sure there will be a need for it in the hurricane
> areas as well.

Also, if you choose to donate, check the bona fides of the charity and of
the person taking your donation. There have been LOTS of scams.

Bob

~patches~ wrote:
> Obfood - food & water is desperately needed in the hurricane areas.
> Please donate whatever you can. Several churches and charities
> including the Red Cross have set up drop off points. Oh and don't
> forget to donate blood if you possibly can. I'm sure there will be a
> need for it in the hurricane areas as well.

I was reading Fark.com earlier...and someone who both has worked for
the Red Cross and also was a volunteer after Andrew suggested this:
Send money *now* if you can. Wait a week or so to donate blood. Right
now what is needed is money - the need for blood will come later, and
since blood has a limited shelf-life...

The Fark.com poster also suggested that you give blood as often as
medically possible, because the need will extend way beyond this
initial crisis.

Another r.f.c-poster in this thread warned about bogus charities;
that's a sad fact of life. On Fark, a poster recommended that you stick
with known charities, such as the Red Cross...and also the Humane
Society, because so many animals were also affected. If your church is
sending volunteers, that's another option. Failing that, try calling
your local county/city government office; I know that Indianapolis is
sending in a Task Force - and if we are, I know that all y'all's towns
are! They can advise you on what charities are real also.

Lisa Ann

~patches~ wrote:
>
> DH and I might even go and we are certainly donating clothes, food, and money.

What a friggin' pinnochio nose... those who actually donate don't talk
about it. Canucks are the most tight fisted scrooges on the planet,
they make the scots seem like santa clause. You wouldn't open your
miser purse to feed your own mother. The only thing *big* about you is
[obviously] your lying MOUTH!

Sheldon

~patches~ wrote:
> Bob Myers wrote:
>
>> "~patches~" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I hope you don't speak for all Americans As a Canadian I take
>>> great offense to your statement as I'm sure others do. Shame on
>>> you.
>>>
>>
>>
> That's good to hear I know our local churches have already sprung
> to action with collections of clothes and food to go down to the
> devastated areas (snippage)

You may well want to consider (as well as your local churches) before you go
down to offer help. They have to get a handle on the situation before they
are letting *anyone* other than official rescue organizations, National
Guard, etc. in. Better to take your donations to a location where they can
be sent there without trying to go down and help out personally. You
wouldn't find any place to stay, anyway.

Jill

~patches~ > writes:
>Sheldon wrote:

>> I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
>> mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
>> planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
>> Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
>> drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.

>I hope you don't speak for all Americans As a Canadian I take great
>offense to your statement as I'm sure others do. Shame on you.

Don't mind Sheldon, he spouts hate for absolutely everybody, all the
time. For some reason, most people on RCC tolerate him, but I don't
know why.

Stacia

On Tue 30 Aug 2005 10:01:11p, Glitter Ninja wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> ~patches~ > writes:
>>Sheldon wrote:
>
>>> I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
>>> mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
>>> planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
>>> Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
>>> drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.
>
>>I hope you don't speak for all Americans As a Canadian I take great
>>offense to your statement as I'm sure others do. Shame on you.
>
> Don't mind Sheldon, he spouts hate for absolutely everybody, all the
> time. For some reason, most people on RCC tolerate him, but I don't
> know why.

He's an institution. But, then, so is an insane asylum.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
unless there are three other people.

On Tue 30 Aug 2005 02:43:26p, ~patches~ wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Sheldon wrote:

>> I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
>> mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
>> planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
>> Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
>> drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.
>
> I hope you don't speak for all Americans As a Canadian I take great
> offense to your statement as I'm sure others do. Shame on you.

I think you should know that virtually all Americans have great respect for
our Canadian neighbors.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
unless there are three other people.