> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?

There are many people in the cities that do not own a car, know people that
own a car that would have enough room to take them all. Many are the poor,
but there are many well to do people in large cities that rely on public
transportation.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:39 GMT, Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?
>
> There are many people in the cities that do not own a car, know people that
> own a car that would have enough room to take them all. Many are the poor,
> but there are many well to do people in large cities that rely on public
> transportation.

And New Orleans has a significant homeless population. Chances are
that no, they don't have a car, and they may not know anyone who does. Maybe
they'd like to evacuate, but they have have limited resources to do so.

We have people we know in the area, and hope they are safe, regardless
of whether or not they decide to leave or stay.

Ariane

"Ariane Jenkins" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:39 GMT, Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?
>>
>> There are many people in the cities that do not own a car, know people
>> that
>> own a car that would have enough room to take them all. Many are the
>> poor,
>> but there are many well to do people in large cities that rely on public
>> transportation.
>
> And New Orleans has a significant homeless population. Chances are
> that no, they don't have a car, and they may not know anyone who does.
> Maybe
> they'd like to evacuate, but they have have limited resources to do so.
>
> We have people we know in the area, and hope they are safe,
> regardless
> of whether or not they decide to leave or stay.
>
> Ariane
>
Just read this:
New Orleans Emptied under mandatory evacuation as Hurricane Katrina,
much-strengthened over water, bore down. Those unable to get out packed into
the Superdome. 11:19 p.m.
Dee Dee

Dee Randall wrote:
> "Ariane Jenkins" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:39 GMT, Edwin Pawlowski >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?
>>>
>>> There are many people in the cities that do not own a car, know
>>> people that
>>> own a car that would have enough room to take them all. Many are
>>> the poor,
>>> but there are many well to do people in large cities that rely on
>>> public transportation.
>>
>> And New Orleans has a significant homeless population. Chances are
>> that no, they don't have a car, and they may not know
>> anyone who does. Maybe
>> they'd like to evacuate, but they have have limited resources to do
>> so. We have people we know in the area, and hope they are safe,
>> regardless
>> of whether or not they decide to leave or stay.
>>
>> Ariane
>>
> Just read this:
> New Orleans Emptied under mandatory evacuation as Hurricane Katrina,
> much-strengthened over water, bore down. Those unable to get out
> packed into the Superdome. 11:19 p.m.
> Dee Dee

Being six feet below sea level doesn't bode well for the 'big easy'.
If they (the authorities) have their collective 'scat' together they should
be opening the flood gates on the dikes now.
I wish them luck!

Ken.

"Ken Davey" > wrote in message
...
>
> Being six feet below sea level doesn't bode well for the 'big easy'.
> If they (the authorities) have their collective 'scat' together they
> should be opening the flood gates on the dikes now.
> I wish them luck!

NOLA has pumps that move water into Lake Pontchartrain during periods of
heavy rain. If the lake empties into the city, the pumps will be
underwater, and it's estimated that it will take about six months to
drain the city...

"MareCat" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Ken Davey" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Being six feet below sea level doesn't bode well for the 'big easy'.
>> If they (the authorities) have their collective 'scat' together they
>> should be opening the flood gates on the dikes now.
>> I wish them luck!
>
> NOLA has pumps that move water into Lake Pontchartrain during periods of
> heavy rain. If the lake empties into the city, the pumps will be
> underwater, and it's estimated that it will take about six months to drain
> the city...

I don't understand why people who are staying in hotels feel that they are
'safe'.
I surely wouldn't.
Dee Dee

"Dee Randall" > wrote in message
>
> I don't understand why people who are staying in hotels feel that they are
> 'safe'.
> I surely wouldn't.
> Dee Dee

Safer than a frame built house or trailer perhaps, but with a Cat 4, nothing
is truly safe.

MareCat wrote:
> "Ken Davey" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Being six feet below sea level doesn't bode well for the 'big easy'.
>> If they (the authorities) have their collective 'scat' together they
>> should be opening the flood gates on the dikes now.
>> I wish them luck!
>
> NOLA has pumps that move water into Lake Pontchartrain during periods
> of heavy rain. If the lake empties into the city, the pumps will be
> underwater, and it's estimated that it will take about six months to
> drain the city...
My point is that at least there will still be a levee system after. If they
wash out.............

Regardless - it is one hell of a scary thing that is about to happen there!

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?
>
> There are many people in the cities that do not own a car, know people that
> own a car that would have enough room to take them all. Many are the poor,
> but there are many well to do people in large cities that rely on public
> transportation.

Yup, the majority of NYC residents do not own a car... first they'd
have nowhere to put it (they'd put it in their bedroom, but how, cars
don't fit well in elevators), and second if everyone who resides in NYC
had a car there'd be nowhere for all the people. There are a lot of
folks who live in major US cities who don't own a car.

Sheldon

Sheldon wrote:

> Yup, the majority of NYC residents do not own a car... first they'd
> have nowhere to put it (they'd put it in their bedroom, but how, cars
> don't fit well in elevators), and second if everyone who resides in NYC
> had a car there'd be nowhere for all the people. There are a lot of
> folks who live in major US cities who don't own a car.


Yup, myself and many of my friends in Chicawgo don't have cars, some of us
don't even have drivers licenses anymore. When the evacuation of New
Orleans was announced, I wondered, "What would many of us here do in such a
situation?". I guess we'd pray there was evacuation by bus or something...

Plus which with the cost of insurance, parking, gas, etc.the monthly cost of
having a car in Chicago, etc. can be about as much one's rent or mortgage...

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
> > Yup, the majority of NYC residents do not own a car... first they'd
> > have nowhere to put it (they'd put it in their bedroom, but how, cars
> > don't fit well in elevators), and second if everyone who resides in NYC
> > had a car there'd be nowhere for all the people. There are a lot of
> > folks who live in major US cities who don't own a car.
>
>
> Yup, myself and many of my friends in Chicawgo don't have cars, some of us
> don't even have drivers licenses anymore. When the evacuation of New
> Orleans was announced, I wondered, "What would many of us here do in such a
> situation?". I guess we'd pray there was evacuation by bus or something...
>
> Plus which with the cost of insurance, parking, gas, etc.the monthly cost of
> having a car in Chicago, etc. can be about as much one's rent or mortgage...

If not for the very few times I need a car (no mass transit here, not
even taxis) I'd give up maintaining an automobile... I drove slightly
less than 1,000 miles (maybe 25 hours) since last Sept.... I've far
more hours behind the wheel of my tractor (220 hours).

Sheldon

Sheldon wrote:
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > > Yup, the majority of NYC residents do not own a car... first they'd
> > > have nowhere to put it (they'd put it in their bedroom, but how, cars
> > > don't fit well in elevators), and second if everyone who resides in
NYC
> > > had a car there'd be nowhere for all the people. There are a lot of
> > > folks who live in major US cities who don't own a car.

Nowadays, Sheldon, there isn't enough room in the average NYC bedroom for
even the smallest car (Been there lately?)


Gregory continues:
> > Yup, myself and many of my friends in Chicawgo don't have cars, some of
us
> > don't even have drivers licenses anymore. When the evacuation of New
> > Orleans was announced, I wondered, "What would many of us here do in
such a
> > situation?". I guess we'd pray there was evacuation by bus or
something...
> >
> > Plus which with the cost of insurance, parking, gas, etc.the monthly
cost of
> > having a car in Chicago, etc. can be about as much one's rent or
mortgage...
>
> If not for the very few times I need a car (no mass transit here, not
> even taxis) I'd give up maintaining an automobile... I drove slightly
> less than 1,000 miles (maybe 25 hours) since last Sept.... I've far
> more hours behind the wheel of my tractor (220 hours).

I have a very good job, a wonderful job. Every day, I drive 40 miles round
trip to work at my really great job. Last week, the price of gas reached the
point where I nearly couldn't afford to work there anymore.

This morning, the price of gas here went through the roof. It's official
now: I can't afford to drive back and forth to work.

Is this really what "W" had in mind when he and his oily cronies invented
this "Katrina-caused" oil emergency? What a crock of shit!

In one breath they tell us that gas is so high because the bulk of our oil
comes from overseas. In the next breath, they tell us that the price will
skyrocket because the storm in the Gulf has halted the production of the
bulk of our oil. How stupid do they think we are? Worse, how stupid are we
actually?

pennyaline wrote:
<snip>


> Is this really what "W" had in mind when he and his oily cronies invented
> this "Katrina-caused" oil emergency? What a crock of shit!
>
> In one breath they tell us that gas is so high because the bulk of our oil
> comes from overseas. In the next breath, they tell us that the price will
> skyrocket because the storm in the Gulf has halted the production of the
> bulk of our oil. How stupid do they think we are? Worse, how stupid are we
> actually?

Whether the crude is produced here or not, many refineries are in the
area affected by Hurricane Katrina, affecting the *gasoline* supply. its
up to 3.19 here in metro Detroit (in outlying areas; the gas station on
the corner is @ 2.79, one of the lowest in the county)

www.gasbuddy.com is your friend.

--

saerah

"It's not a gimmick, it's an incentive."- asterbark, afca

aware of the manifold possibilities of the future

"I think there's a clause in the Shaman's and Jujumen's Local #57 Union
contract that they have to have reciprocity for each other's shop rules."
-König Prüß

pennyaline wrote:
>
> Is this really what "W" had in mind when he and his oily cronies invented
> this "Katrina-caused" oil emergency? What a crock of shit!
>
> In one breath they tell us that gas is so high because the bulk of our oil
> comes from overseas. In the next breath, they tell us that the price will
> skyrocket because the storm in the Gulf has halted the production of the
> bulk of our oil. How stupid do they think we are? Worse, how stupid are we
> actually?
>
>
>


1) The biggest problem is we don't really have many refineries, and I
believe the last one was built about 40 years ago.

2) A lot of that oil from overseas gets unloaded at an offshore port at
Louisiana.

-Bob

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> pennyaline wrote:
>>
>> Is this really what "W" had in mind when he and his oily cronies invented
>> this "Katrina-caused" oil emergency? What a crock of shit!
>>
>> In one breath they tell us that gas is so high because the bulk of our
>> oil
>> comes from overseas. In the next breath, they tell us that the price will
>> skyrocket because the storm in the Gulf has halted the production of the
>> bulk of our oil. How stupid do they think we are? Worse, how stupid are
>> we
>> actually?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 1) The biggest problem is we don't really have many refineries, and I
> believe the last one was built about 40 years ago.
>
> 2) A lot of that oil from overseas gets unloaded at an offshore port at
> Louisiana.
>
> -Bob

I was listening to the 'trucking' show late last night -- can't sleep - and
one of the truckers said that we'd better gas up this week, because in
Columbus/Cincinnati area instead of delivering the usual 12 (units) of gas
to each station, the stations have been rationed to 1 unit every-other-day.
Whether this is true or rumour, who knows.
Dee Dee

On Tue 30 Aug 2005 10:32:34p, zxcvbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> 1) The biggest problem is we don't really have many refineries, and I
> believe the last one was built about 40 years ago.
>
> 2) A lot of that oil from overseas gets unloaded at an offshore port at
> Louisiana.
>
> -Bob
>

It won't help us today or tomorrow, but AZ is planning a huge new refinery.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
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