On Mon 29 Aug 2005 05:02:40a, Sandi wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
> dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
> the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
> area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
> empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
> evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
>
> Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
> who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
> Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
> assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
> own the same. Too bad it isn't true.

Sandi, while all of those conditions exist and there are people in that
predicament, there is also an element who want to "brave it out" and an
element who want to have hurricane "parties". Examples of that are
reported during/after every major hurricane. I feel very sorry for those
who, for whatever reason, cannot leave, but I don't give a damn about those
who are too stupid to leave.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
unless there are three other people.

On 29 Aug 2005 14:25:59 +0200, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> Sandi, while all of those conditions exist and there are people in that
> predicament, there is also an element who want to "brave it out" and an
> element who want to have hurricane "parties". Examples of that are
> reported during/after every major hurricane. I feel very sorry for those
> who, for whatever reason, cannot leave, but I don't give a damn about those
> who are too stupid to leave.
>


Erik and I were fortunate enough to visit New Orleans last year, it's
a lovely city and (of course!) it has fantastic food. A lovely lady who ran a
B&B and several other properties there was a gracious host, and couldn't have
been more friendly. Unlike many in NOLA, she does have a car and the
resources to leave... but if she had stranded guests, I'm sure she would not
want to leave them behind, and she doesn't have a vehicle that can transport
that many and their belongings. Erik also has distant relations who live
in the area who are older, and may or may not have their own transportation
or the good health to make possible an evacuation. As of yet, we have no
news.


I don't really have a problem with when people have less empathy for
people who could leave but don't, for the reasons you stated above. The
problem occurs when people imply that those are the ONLY reasons why people
wouldn't leave New Orleans. That assumption is just plain ignorant and could
be easily avoided by thinking before one speaks. You would not dream of doing
such a thing, I know, but others don't always offer the same courtesy.

Ariane
--
Incompetence: When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of
skill by doubling your efforts, there's no end to what you can't do.
http://www.despair.com/demotivators/incompetence.html

Ariane Jenkins > said:

> Erik and I were fortunate enough to visit New Orleans last year, it's
> a lovely city and (of course!) it has fantastic food. A lovely lady who ran a
> B&B and several other properties there was a gracious host, and couldn't have
> been more friendly. Unlike many in NOLA, she does have a car and the
> resources to leave... but if she had stranded guests, I'm sure she would not
> want to leave them behind, and she doesn't have a vehicle that can transport
> that many and their belongings. Erik also has distant relations who live
> in the area who are older, and may or may not have their own transportation
> or the good health to make possible an evacuation. As of yet, we have no
> news.

Our prayers are with them all, Ariane. This is just terrible.

We just saw on the news that they're projecting that the storm will pass
through western Tennessee and the Ohio River Valley. I have no idea if
you're in that part of Ohio, but if you are, I hope it's basically reduced
to heavy rains when it reaches you.

Hang in there - everyone who's affected.

Carol
--
http://tinyurl.com/9hjxt

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> Ariane Jenkins > said:
>
>> Erik and I were fortunate enough to visit New Orleans last year, it's
>> a lovely city and (of course!) it has fantastic food. A lovely lady
>> who ran a B&B and several other properties there was a gracious
>> host, and couldn't have been more friendly. Unlike many in NOLA,
>> she does have a car and the resources to leave... but if she had
>> stranded guests, I'm sure she would not want to leave them behind,
>> and she doesn't have a vehicle that can transport that many and
>> their belongings. Erik also has distant relations who live
>> in the area who are older, and may or may not have their own
>> transportation or the good health to make possible an evacuation.
>> As of yet, we have no news.
>
> Our prayers are with them all, Ariane. This is just terrible.
>
> We just saw on the news that they're projecting that the storm will
> pass through western Tennessee and the Ohio River Valley. I have no
> idea if
> you're in that part of Ohio, but if you are, I hope it's basically
> reduced
> to heavy rains when it reaches you.
>
> Hang in there - everyone who's affected.
>
> Carol

We're just getting mild rain here in west TN so far. The predicted high
winds haven't come this way yet; might take a day. I heard on the radio
this morning some of the casinos in Tunica, MS have set up emergency
shelters in their ballrooms. Bally's and The Grand Hotel were mentioned.
The Red Cross is there to help FEMA with what is needed to get people
temporarily housed, start the damage claim filing process, etc., although of
course no one knows yet what the damage will be.

OB Food: Squash again. It's a good thing I love squash.

Jill

"jmcquown" > said:

> We're just getting mild rain here in west TN so far. The predicted high
> winds haven't come this way yet; might take a day. I heard on the radio
> this morning some of the casinos in Tunica, MS have set up emergency
> shelters in their ballrooms. Bally's and The Grand Hotel were mentioned.
> The Red Cross is there to help FEMA with what is needed to get people
> temporarily housed, start the damage claim filing process, etc., although of
> course no one knows yet what the damage will be.

It's good to see communities pulling together like this. Thanks for
letting us know what's going on in Tennessee!

Carol
--
http://tinyurl.com/9hjxt

"jmcquown" > wrote

> We're just getting mild rain here in west TN so far. The predicted high
> winds haven't come this way yet; might take a day. I heard on the radio
> this morning some of the casinos in Tunica, MS have set up emergency
> shelters in their ballrooms. Bally's and The Grand Hotel were mentioned.
> The Red Cross is there to help FEMA with what is needed to get people
> temporarily housed, start the damage claim filing process, etc., although
> of
> course no one knows yet what the damage will be.

Of course, all of this was covered who knows how long ago by
the disaster planning people. I know it was a pain in the neck just
at work planning for a disaster, unfortunately sometimes it comes
to pass.

(laugh) Somehow I'm suddenly reminded of hiding under my school
desk in case of enemy airplanes from Russia attacking.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > said:

> (laugh) Somehow I'm suddenly reminded of hiding under my school
> desk in case of enemy airplanes from Russia attacking.

You're younger than me, and we never did that! I guess the powers that be
in the brand new subdivision in Minnesota where I grew up felt that the
Russians wouldn't bother with us.

I'm glad that the overt hostility is over.

Carol
--
http://tinyurl.com/9hjxt

On Mon 29 Aug 2005 10:03:23a, Ariane Jenkins wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Erik and I were fortunate enough to visit New Orleans last year, it's
> a lovely city and (of course!) it has fantastic food. A lovely lady who
> ran a B&B and several other properties there was a gracious host, and
> couldn't have been more friendly. Unlike many in NOLA, she does have a
> car and the resources to leave... but if she had stranded guests, I'm
> sure she would not want to leave them behind, and she doesn't have a
> vehicle that can transport that many and their belongings. Erik also
> has distant relations who live in the area who are older, and may or may
> not have their own transportation or the good health to make possible an
> evacuation. As of yet, we have no news.
>
>
> I don't really have a problem with when people have less empathy
> for
> people who could leave but don't, for the reasons you stated above. The
> problem occurs when people imply that those are the ONLY reasons why
> people wouldn't leave New Orleans. That assumption is just plain
> ignorant and could be easily avoided by thinking before one speaks. You
> would not dream of doing such a thing, I know, but others don't always
> offer the same courtesy.
>
> Ariane
>

Yes, I agree with you Ariane.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

Ariane Jenkins wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2005 14:25:59 +0200, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
> > Sandi, while all of those conditions exist and there are people in that
> > predicament, there is also an element who want to "brave it out" and an
> > element who want to have hurricane "parties". Examples of that are
> > reported during/after every major hurricane. I feel very sorry for those
> > who, for whatever reason, cannot leave, but I don't give a damn about those
> > who are too stupid to leave.

>
> I don't really have a problem with when people have less empathy for
> people who could leave but don't, for the reasons you stated above. The
> problem occurs when people imply that those are the ONLY reasons why people
> wouldn't leave New Orleans. That assumption is just plain ignorant and could
> be easily avoided by thinking before one speaks. You would not dream of doing
> such a thing, I know, but others don't always offer the same courtesy.
>

I have no emptathy for fools who commit suicide by hurricane....that
was my second paragraph which it seems people didn't bother to read.

Sandi

On 29 Aug 2005 16:12:48 -0700, Sandi > wrote:
>
> I have no emptathy for fools who commit suicide by hurricane....that
> was my second paragraph which it seems people didn't bother to read.

Don't sweat it, Sandi... I had no problems comprehending your post and
had no quarrel with it.

Ariane

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Mon 29 Aug 2005 05:02:40a, Sandi wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
> > dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
> > the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
> > area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
> > empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
> > evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
> >
> > Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
> > who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
> > Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
> > assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
> > own the same. Too bad it isn't true.
>
> Sandi, while all of those conditions exist and there are people in that
> predicament, there is also an element who want to "brave it out" and an
> element who want to have hurricane "parties". Examples of that are
> reported during/after every major hurricane. I feel very sorry for those
> who, for whatever reason, cannot leave, but I don't give a damn about those
> who are too stupid to leave.

Ummm.....isn't that exactly what the SECOND paragraph says? Those who
chose to stay because they think it is cool are fools - committing
suicide by hurrican I think is the phrase I used.

I lived in FL for 15 years and I've spent my share of time in hurricane
shelters including a fun filled time in a shelter with a Bosnaian
family, a Serbian family and a Herzogovinian family all in the same
place. We had deputy sheriff to prevent Kosovo 2 from occuring. We
also had an Alzheimers patient who wandered out in the peak of the
storm when his daughter fell asleep from exhaustion. All of us able
bodied were pressed into service to go out and search for him during
the storm. I'm real aware of storms and the problems that are incurred
by those who cannot evacuate - like special needs people. My mother was
a special needs case and I needed to go to the shelter with her since
she was a recent amputee.

Sandi

Sandi