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"Sandi" > wrote in message oups.com... > > jmcquown wrote: >> Gabby wrote: >> > "rosie" > wrote in message >> > ups.com... >> >> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under >> >> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning. >> >> >> >> Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many >> >> thing driving the price of oil. >> >> >> >> I do hope all have gone to higher ground . >> > >> > Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of >> > evacuating the area. >> > >> > Gabby >> >> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they >> are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption, >> "I >> won't leave, they can't make me". > > No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city > dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are > the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the > area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your > empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot > evacuate on their own is overwhelming. > > Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools > who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many > Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they > assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans, > own the same. Too bad it isn't true. > > Sandi Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics.... Dee Dee Dee Dee |
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Dee Randall wrote:
> "Sandi" > wrote in message > oups.com... > >>jmcquown wrote: >> >>>Gabby wrote: >>> >>>>"rosie" > wrote in message egroups.com... >>>> >>>>>airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under >>>>>their own steam, there has been plenty of warning. >>>>> >>>>>Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many >>>>>thing driving the price of oil. >>>>> >>>>>I do hope all have gone to higher ground . >>>> >>>>Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of >>>>evacuating the area. >>>> >>>>Gabby >>> >>>No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they >>>are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption, >>>"I >>>won't leave, they can't make me". >> >>No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city >>dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are >>the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the >>area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your >>empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot >>evacuate on their own is overwhelming. >> >>Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools >>who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many >>Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they >>assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans, >>own the same. Too bad it isn't true. >> >>Sandi > > > Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some of > their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have > electronics.... > Dee Dee > > > Dee Dee > > Unfortunately, you are wrong. I've heard people say: "Give me your cell number, . . ," assuming the other person has a cell. Likewise for e-mail addy and so on. We ALL make assumptions sometime. jim |
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"JimLane" > wrote in message ... > Dee Randall wrote: >> "Sandi" > wrote in message >> oups.com... >> >>>jmcquown wrote: >>> >>>>Gabby wrote: >>>> >>>>>"rosie" > wrote in message legroups.com... >>>>> >>>>>>airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under >>>>>>their own steam, there has been plenty of warning. >>>>>> >>>>>>Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many >>>>>>thing driving the price of oil. >>>>>> >>>>>>I do hope all have gone to higher ground . >>>>> >>>>>Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of >>>>>evacuating the area. >>>>> >>>>>Gabby >>>> >>>>No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean >>>>they >>>>are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens >>>>eruption, "I >>>>won't leave, they can't make me". >>> >>>No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city >>>dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are >>>the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the >>>area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your >>>empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot >>>evacuate on their own is overwhelming. >>> >>>Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools >>>who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many >>>Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they >>>assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans, >>>own the same. Too bad it isn't true. >>> >>>Sandi >> >> >> Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some >> of their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have >> electronics.... >> Dee Dee >> >> >> Dee Dee > > Unfortunately, you are wrong. I've heard people say: "Give me your cell > number, . . ," assuming the other person has a cell. Likewise for e-mail > addy and so on. We ALL make assumptions sometime. > > > jim "everyone in the world"? Whoo Hoo! Dee Dee |
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Dee Randall wrote:
> "JimLane" > wrote in message > ... > >>Dee Randall wrote: >> >>>"Sandi" > wrote in message egroups.com... >>> >>> >>>>jmcquown wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Gabby wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>"rosie" > wrote in message glegroups.com... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under >>>>>>>their own steam, there has been plenty of warning. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many >>>>>>>thing driving the price of oil. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I do hope all have gone to higher ground . >>>>>> >>>>>>Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of >>>>>>evacuating the area. >>>>>> >>>>>>Gabby >>>>> >>>>>No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean >>>>>they >>>>>are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens >>>>>eruption, "I >>>>>won't leave, they can't make me". >>>> >>>>No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city >>>>dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are >>>>the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the >>>>area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your >>>>empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot >>>>evacuate on their own is overwhelming. >>>> >>>>Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools >>>>who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many >>>>Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they >>>>assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans, >>>>own the same. Too bad it isn't true. >>>> >>>>Sandi >>> >>> >>>Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some >>>of their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have >>>electronics.... >>>Dee Dee >>> >>> >>>Dee Dee >> >>Unfortunately, you are wrong. I've heard people say: "Give me your cell >>number, . . ," assuming the other person has a cell. Likewise for e-mail >>addy and so on. We ALL make assumptions sometime. >> >> >>jim > > > "everyone in the world"? > Whoo Hoo! > Dee Dee > > Even you. Want a broader picture? Look into "self reference criterion" and that will help explain it from a different angle. Other pertinent information can be found researching paradigm change and so on. jim |
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"JimLane" > wrote in message ... > Dee Randall wrote: >> "JimLane" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>>Dee Randall wrote: >>> >>>>"Sandi" > wrote in message legroups.com... >>>> >>>> >>>>>jmcquown wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Gabby wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>"rosie" > wrote in message oglegroups.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under >>>>>>>>their own steam, there has been plenty of warning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many >>>>>>>>thing driving the price of oil. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I do hope all have gone to higher ground . >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of >>>>>>>evacuating the area. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Gabby >>>>>> >>>>>>No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean >>>>>>they >>>>>>are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens >>>>>>eruption, "I >>>>>>won't leave, they can't make me". >>>>> >>>>>No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city >>>>>dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are >>>>>the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the >>>>>area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your >>>>>empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot >>>>>evacuate on their own is overwhelming. >>>>> >>>>>Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools >>>>>who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many >>>>>Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they >>>>>assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans, >>>>>own the same. Too bad it isn't true. >>>>> >>>>>Sandi >>>> >>>> >>>>Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some >>>>of their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have >>>>electronics.... >>>>Dee Dee >>>> >>>> >>>>Dee Dee >>> >>>Unfortunately, you are wrong. I've heard people say: "Give me your cell >>>number, . . ," assuming the other person has a cell. Likewise for e-mail >>>addy and so on. We ALL make assumptions sometime. >>> >>> >>>jim >> >> >> "everyone in the world"? >> Whoo Hoo! >> Dee Dee > > Even you. Want a broader picture? Look into "self reference criterion" and > that will help explain it from a different angle. Other pertinent > information can be found researching paradigm change and so on. > > > jim Last word! Last word! Last Word!! Dee Dee |
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Dee Randall wrote: > > Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some of > their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have > electronics.... You don't know how many Americans (and Europeans for that matter) I have heard here in Honduras ask for phone numbers, cell phone numbers, email addresses, etc. They just assume that people have these conveniences. Many but not all, and that were the operative words in my statement, assume people everywhere else are just like them...with all the modern conveniences immediately at hand. It just ain't so. A friend just got her phone number issued to her after a 4 year wait. It will be another 6 months to a year before it is actually installed. If she needs to make a call, she needs to find someone with phone or walk the three miles into town to use the public phone in front of the phone company office. Oh yeah....and for toilets and showers......her mother has a screened off area in her yard with a hole for the toilet and another screened off area with a 55gal drum that has a hose attached to it as a shower. The village her mother lives in has one phone for about 75 families. It is only accessible from 8a.m. to 8p.m., outgoing calls only. I knew the score before I moved here about phones, TV, internet, etc. We'd still be waiting for a phone but the landlord assigned one of his business lines to our house. Americans that I've seen here are stunned when they are told there are no private phone lines, no internet access, no TV reception, in many of the small villages within 5 miles of town. I witness these assumptions every time a new batch of Americans shows up in town. It's amazing watching the show. Sandi |
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Sheryl Rosen wrote:
> Why would anyone ~choose~ to live under such primitive conditions in a third > world country? > > What am I missing? Perhaps the same types who like to go camping on vacay, while I like room service when I'm on holiday? |
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Goomba38 wrote: > Sheryl Rosen wrote: > > > Why would anyone ~choose~ to live under such primitive conditions in a third > > world country? > > > > What am I missing? > > Perhaps the same types who like to go camping on vacay, while I like > room service when I'm on holiday? Also, many in the US actually live not much differently than as if they were in a third world country, only they don't seem to know it... always announcing how poor they are, always announcing how they scrimp... of course it's *entirely* their *choice* yet they continue to maintain an underprivileged life style, for whatever reason only their shink could possibly know. Those who are born into a third world country haven't much choice but anyone who chooses to move to and live there obviously has some element of guilt in their psyche, and/or they simply choose to forego certain creature comforts in lieu of recieving much more value for their US dollars than had they remained in the US... many US retirees move to Central America, a US pension can buy quite an opulent life style, if they're in relatively good health (typically medical resources aren't the best) and willing to forego things like being able to buy the latest fashions... but they can have nice homes, eat extremely well, even have servants (btw, a housekeeper for a US family is a very enviable position, it ensures the housekeeper's family will be tended to also, and is a somewhat symbiotic relationship, ensuring a smooth transition for the US family amongst the locals). But I really wonder about those born in and living in the US *choosing* to live impoverished life styles, they seem to really enjoy whining, I doubt they are too well wrapped. Sheldon |
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Sheldon wrote:
> Goomba38 wrote: > >>Sheryl Rosen wrote: >> >> >>>Why would anyone ~choose~ to live under such primitive conditions in a third >>>world country? >>> >>>What am I missing? >> >>Perhaps the same types who like to go camping on vacay, while I like >>room service when I'm on holiday? > > > Also, many in the US actually live not much differently than as if they > were in a third world country, only they don't seem to know it... > always announcing how poor they are, always announcing how they > scrimp... of course it's *entirely* their *choice* yet they continue to > maintain an underprivileged life style, for whatever reason only their > shink could possibly know. Those who are born into a third world > country haven't much choice but anyone who chooses to move to and live > there obviously has some element of guilt in their psyche, and/or they > simply choose to forego certain creature comforts in lieu of recieving > much more value for their US dollars than had they remained in the > US... many US retirees move to Central America, a US pension can buy > quite an opulent life style, if they're in relatively good health > (typically medical resources aren't the best) and willing to forego > things like being able to buy the latest fashions... but they can have > nice homes, eat extremely well, even have servants (btw, a housekeeper > for a US family is a very enviable position, it ensures the > housekeeper's family will be tended to also, and is a somewhat > symbiotic relationship, ensuring a smooth transition for the US family > amongst the locals). But I really wonder about those born in and > living in the US *choosing* to live impoverished life styles, they seem > to really enjoy whining, I doubt they are too well wrapped. > > Sheldon > It's amazing to see how people that are born in this country, want a pity party thrown at them and yet don't want to lift a finger. My uncle came from Cuba (with a minimum education: grade 9) in 1961. 20 years later, through very hard work and brains, owned a restaurant (The Clam Broth House in Hoboken, NJ, with nine dining rooms, 2 of them being formal ones where Joe Franklin from the Joe Franklin show frequented, Frank Sinatra's mother, just to mention a few regulars) as well as 3 buildings. His first night in the US was spent washing dishes in NY hotels and sleeping in the NYC subway. He moved up in the ranks of the restaurant business, and when he studied the owners of those restaurants, he realized he could do the same or better. And he's one of the most nicest people still alive. Just an example; a guy from Uruguay that used to work for him at the restaurant told him he needed 5000K to bury his mother. It was all a lie. Years later, he came back crying to my uncle for a job, and my uncle gave him one, and forgave him his debt. I think that encapsulates the type of guy he is. In this country, if you work hard and use 1/10 of your neurons, you will be able to live the American dream; and then some. Rich -- "But the very hairs of your head are all numbered." Existence (Ancient Roman Palestine) "Dum Spiro, Spero." As long as I breath, I hope. Cicero (Ancient Rome) |
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Richard Periut wrote: > Sheldon wrote: > > Goomba38 wrote: > > > >>Sheryl Rosen wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Why would anyone ~choose~ to live under such primitive conditions in a third > >>>world country? > >>> > >>>What am I missing? > >> > >>Perhaps the same types who like to go camping on vacay, while I like > >>room service when I'm on holiday? > > > > > > Also, many in the US actually live not much differently than as if they > > were in a third world country, only they don't seem to know it... > > always announcing how poor they are, always announcing how they > > scrimp... of course it's *entirely* their *choice* yet they continue to > > maintain an underprivileged life style, for whatever reason only their > > shink could possibly know. Those who are born into a third world > > country haven't much choice but anyone who chooses to move to and live > > there obviously has some element of guilt in their psyche, and/or they > > simply choose to forego certain creature comforts in lieu of recieving > > much more value for their US dollars than had they remained in the > > US... many US retirees move to Central America, a US pension can buy > > quite an opulent life style, if they're in relatively good health > > (typically medical resources aren't the best) and willing to forego > > things like being able to buy the latest fashions... but they can have > > nice homes, eat extremely well, even have servants (btw, a housekeeper > > for a US family is a very enviable position, it ensures the > > housekeeper's family will be tended to also, and is a somewhat > > symbiotic relationship, ensuring a smooth transition for the US family > > amongst the locals). But I really wonder about those born in and > > living in the US *choosing* to live impoverished life styles, they seem > > to really enjoy whining, I doubt they are too well wrapped. > > > > Sheldon > > > It's amazing to see how people that are born in this country, want a > pity party thrown at them and yet don't want to lift a finger. > > My uncle came from Cuba (with a minimum education: grade 9) in 1961. 20 > years later, through very hard work and brains, owned a restaurant (The > Clam Broth House in Hoboken, NJ, with nine dining rooms, 2 of them being > formal ones where Joe Franklin from the Joe Franklin show frequented, > Frank Sinatra's mother, just to mention a few regulars) as well as 3 > buildings. His first night in the US was spent washing dishes in NY > hotels and sleeping in the NYC subway. He moved up in the ranks of the > restaurant business, and when he studied the owners of those > restaurants, he realized he could do the same or better. > > And he's one of the most nicest people still alive. Just an example; a > guy from Uruguay that used to work for him at the restaurant told him he > needed 5000K to bury his mother. It was all a lie. Years later, he came > back crying to my uncle for a job, and my uncle gave him one, and > forgave him his debt. I think that encapsulates the type of guy he is. > > In this country, if you work hard and use 1/10 of your neurons, you will > be able to live the American dream; and then some. Amen. But I'm positive the pity party poops will think your uncle was just lucky... well maybe he was lucky... lucky he wasn't afraid of work. Sheldon |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:14:51 -0400, Sheryl Rosen
> connected the dots and wrote: ~ ~Why would anyone ~choose~ to live under such primitive conditions in a third ~world country? ~ ~What am I missing? Excitement, adventure, peace and quiet, human interactions. My husband's best friend joined the Peace Corps in his 40's, went to Ghana, taught engineering (i.e. how to fix that 30-year-old truck), met a lovely woman, married, and planned to return there to start a fixit business. Helping others, teaching someone how to "fish" so they can feed themselves and their family, teaching school, and in the process learning about yourself and how someone else from a different culture views the world. Humans didn't always have flush toilets, instant communications, or brand new cars. It can be rewarding to learn how to live comfortably on your own without all the things we take for granted. OB cooking: In many TWCs, they have what amounts to a chimney stove which is very economical to cook on. maxine in ri |
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Sheryl Rosen wrote: > Why would anyone ~choose~ to live under such primitive conditions in a third > world country? > > What am I missing? Sandi and her spouse don't live under such primitive conditions from what I gather, they live very well compared to many of the "native" population... -- Best Greg |
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