Wowsa! This is a big hurricane. Hope everyone on the gulf coast evac'd
early; I would not want to be driving north with that traffic. The news
media is telling folks in Louisiana and Mississippi to head towards Memphis.
I'm sure the hotel and motel people will be glad of that. It's pouring down
rain here (early fallout, I'm sure) and the temperature didn't get above 80F
today. So much for grilling squash. BUT! I can use my oven to make squash
casserole!

Talk of lobster, crab, etc., set off a major craving. Unfortunately, I
don't have any lobster and I'm saving the frozen Alaskan snow crab
legs/claws for another day. So I'll be making salmon patties for dinner to
go with the squash. Yum and yum again!

Jill
--
The person who rows the boat seldom has time to rock it

Maybe it'll whip some crawfish up here to Lake Erie!

On Sun 28 Aug 2005 12:27:09p, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Talk of lobster, crab, etc., set off a major craving. Unfortunately, I
> don't have any lobster and I'm saving the frozen Alaskan snow crab
> legs/claws for another day. So I'll be making salmon patties for dinner to
> go with the squash. Yum and yum again!
>

Do you make a sauce for your salmon patties? I often make a white sauce with
dillweed and chopped, seeded, cucumber.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
unless there are three other people.

On Sun 28 Aug 2005 12:31:56p, morgul the friendly drelb wrote in
rec.food.cooking:

> Maybe it'll whip some crawfish up here to Lake Erie!

Highly doubtful! :-) You better stick with that great Lake Perch and
Pickerel.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
unless there are three other people.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sun 28 Aug 2005 12:27:09p, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Talk of lobster, crab, etc., set off a major craving.
>> Unfortunately, I don't have any lobster and I'm saving the frozen
>> Alaskan snow crab legs/claws for another day. So I'll be making
>> salmon patties for dinner to go with the squash. Yum and yum again!
>>
>
> Do you make a sauce for your salmon patties? I often make a white
> sauce with dillweed and chopped, seeded, cucumber.

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't Bolivar gave me a great recipe for his
salmon croquettes which has a white sauce in it as a binder and again as a
sauce on top. He bakes his in a cast iron pan with fish shapes similar to a
cornstick pan (that's got to make them more fun!) Not sure I'm going to
bother with sauce tonight, though. I never really know until I start to
cook!

Jill

On Sun 28 Aug 2005 12:46:49p, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sun 28 Aug 2005 12:27:09p, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> Talk of lobster, crab, etc., set off a major craving.
>>> Unfortunately, I don't have any lobster and I'm saving the frozen
>>> Alaskan snow crab legs/claws for another day. So I'll be making
>>> salmon patties for dinner to go with the squash. Yum and yum again!
>>>
>>
>> Do you make a sauce for your salmon patties? I often make a white
>> sauce with dillweed and chopped, seeded, cucumber.
>
> Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't Bolivar gave me a great recipe for
> his salmon croquettes which has a white sauce in it as a binder and
> again as a sauce on top. He bakes his in a cast iron pan with fish
> shapes similar to a cornstick pan (that's got to make them more fun!)
> Not sure I'm going to bother with sauce tonight, though. I never really
> know until I start to cook!

Yep, you need a thick white sauce for croquettes. Love 'em. If I have
leftover salmon patties, I use them for sandwiches.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
unless there are three other people.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sun 28 Aug 2005 12:46:49p, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >> On Sun 28 Aug 2005 12:27:09p, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>
> >>> Talk of lobster, crab, etc., set off a major craving.
> >>> Unfortunately, I don't have any lobster and I'm saving the frozen
> >>> Alaskan snow crab legs/claws for another day. So I'll be making
> >>> salmon patties for dinner to go with the squash. Yum and yum again!
> >>>
> >>
> >> Do you make a sauce for your salmon patties? I often make a white
> >> sauce with dillweed and chopped, seeded, cucumber.
> >
> > Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't Bolivar gave me a great recipe for
> > his salmon croquettes which has a white sauce in it as a binder and
> > again as a sauce on top. He bakes his in a cast iron pan with fish
> > shapes similar to a cornstick pan (that's got to make them more fun!)
> > Not sure I'm going to bother with sauce tonight, though. I never really
> > know until I start to cook!
>
> Yep, you need a thick white sauce for croquettes.

For coquettes? Don't you mean for trollops?

Theldon

In article >,
says...
> Wowsa! This is a big hurricane. Hope everyone on the gulf coast evac'd
> early; I would not want to be driving north with that traffic. The news
> media is telling folks in Louisiana and Mississippi to head towards Memphis.
> I'm sure the hotel and motel people will be glad of that. It's pouring down
> rain here (early fallout, I'm sure) and the temperature didn't get above 80F
> today. So much for grilling squash. BUT! I can use my oven to make squash
> casserole!

Perhaps if we weren't having our little misadventure in the Middle East
and using National Guard troops to do the job we could airlift people
north. But no.

And President Bush and his cronies quietly killed a major storm rebuild
fund.

And from what I've been reading - this could also impact gasoline
prices. Lots of refineries in that area.

airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.

Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
thing driving the price of oil.

I do hope all have gone to higher ground .

Rosie

rosie wrote:
> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>
Exactly. I've no idea why some people have to turn the weather into a
political statement. It's not like people living on the east coast and the
gulf area aren't used to hurricanes. And it's not like there were no
hurricanes before the current administration.

"Tony P." wrote:

> Perhaps if we weren't having our little misadventure in the Middle East
> and using National Guard troops to do the job we could airlift people
> north. But no.

Airlift people? Why? I live about 1500 miles north of there and I knew that it was
headed there two days ago. That was more than enough time for people to head for
safety.

> And from what I've been reading - this could also impact gasoline
> prices. Lots of refineries in that area.

Yep. That will be the next excuse to gouge consumers. I sure am glad that I
bought a Honda last month. Despite a 20% increase in the cost of gasoline, my
weekly gas bill is less than half what it was with my old van.

Dave Smith wrote:
> "Tony P." wrote:
>
>> Perhaps if we weren't having our little misadventure in the Middle
>> East
>> and using National Guard troops to do the job we could airlift people
>> north. But no.
>
> Airlift people? Why? I live about 1500 miles north of there and I
> knew that it was headed there two days ago. That was more than enough
> time for people to head for safety.
>
>> And from what I've been reading - this could also impact gasoline
>> prices. Lots of refineries in that area.
>
> Yep. That will be the next excuse to gouge consumers. I sure am glad
> that I bought a Honda last month. Despite a 20% increase in the cost
> of gasoline, my weekly gas bill is less than half what it was with my
> old van.

As I previously stated, some folks will use any excuse to jump on the
political band-wagon. It's not like hurricanes didn't exist before the
current administration. I seriously doubt Tony P. remembers the "oil
crisis" from the 1970's. We weathered that storm; we'll weather this one.

Jill

"rosie" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>
> Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
> thing driving the price of oil.
>
> I do hope all have gone to higher ground .

Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of evacuating the
area.

Gabby

Gabby wrote:
> "rosie" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
>> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>>
>> Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
>> thing driving the price of oil.
>>
>> I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
>
> Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
> evacuating the area.
>
> Gabby

No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption, "I
won't leave, they can't make me".

Still no reason to start bashing politicos; want to bash someone, bash your
version of "god" for the hurricane. Politics have nothing to do with it.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
> are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption, "I
> won't leave, they can't make me".

This afternoon Shepard Smith from Fox TV was trying to do an interview
in a bar on Bourbon St. He asked one guy why he hadn't left yet and
his response was "None of your ****ing business". Right on live TV.
I'd say there's some attitude there, definitely.

> Still no reason to start bashing politicos; want to bash someone, bash your
> version of "god" for the hurricane. Politics have nothing to do with it.

I completely agree.

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?

There are many people in the cities that do not own a car, know people that
own a car that would have enough room to take them all. Many are the poor,
but there are many well to do people in large cities that rely on public
transportation.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:39 GMT, Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?
>
> There are many people in the cities that do not own a car, know people that
> own a car that would have enough room to take them all. Many are the poor,
> but there are many well to do people in large cities that rely on public
> transportation.

And New Orleans has a significant homeless population. Chances are
that no, they don't have a car, and they may not know anyone who does. Maybe
they'd like to evacuate, but they have have limited resources to do so.

We have people we know in the area, and hope they are safe, regardless
of whether or not they decide to leave or stay.

Ariane

"Ariane Jenkins" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:39 GMT, Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?
>>
>> There are many people in the cities that do not own a car, know people
>> that
>> own a car that would have enough room to take them all. Many are the
>> poor,
>> but there are many well to do people in large cities that rely on public
>> transportation.
>
> And New Orleans has a significant homeless population. Chances are
> that no, they don't have a car, and they may not know anyone who does.
> Maybe
> they'd like to evacuate, but they have have limited resources to do so.
>
> We have people we know in the area, and hope they are safe,
> regardless
> of whether or not they decide to leave or stay.
>
> Ariane
>
Just read this:
New Orleans Emptied under mandatory evacuation as Hurricane Katrina,
much-strengthened over water, bore down. Those unable to get out packed into
the Superdome. 11:19 p.m.
Dee Dee

Dee Randall wrote:
> "Ariane Jenkins" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:39 GMT, Edwin Pawlowski >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car?
>>>
>>> There are many people in the cities that do not own a car, know
>>> people that
>>> own a car that would have enough room to take them all. Many are
>>> the poor,
>>> but there are many well to do people in large cities that rely on
>>> public transportation.
>>
>> And New Orleans has a significant homeless population. Chances are
>> that no, they don't have a car, and they may not know
>> anyone who does. Maybe
>> they'd like to evacuate, but they have have limited resources to do
>> so. We have people we know in the area, and hope they are safe,
>> regardless
>> of whether or not they decide to leave or stay.
>>
>> Ariane
>>
> Just read this:
> New Orleans Emptied under mandatory evacuation as Hurricane Katrina,
> much-strengthened over water, bore down. Those unable to get out
> packed into the Superdome. 11:19 p.m.
> Dee Dee

Being six feet below sea level doesn't bode well for the 'big easy'.
If they (the authorities) have their collective 'scat' together they should
be opening the flood gates on the dikes now.
I wish them luck!

Ken.

Jill wrote:

> Still no reason to start bashing politicos; want to bash someone, bash
> your version of "god" for the hurricane. Politics have nothing to do
> with it.

If the risk is known and the politicians don't take adequate measures to
alleviate the damage, SHOULDN'T they be blamed? Here, read this:

http://americanradioworks.publicradi...urricane1.html

Bob

"Ken Davey" > wrote in message
...
>
> Being six feet below sea level doesn't bode well for the 'big easy'.
> If they (the authorities) have their collective 'scat' together they
> should be opening the flood gates on the dikes now.
> I wish them luck!

NOLA has pumps that move water into Lake Pontchartrain during periods of
heavy rain. If the lake empties into the city, the pumps will be
underwater, and it's estimated that it will take about six months to
drain the city...

"MareCat" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Ken Davey" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Being six feet below sea level doesn't bode well for the 'big easy'.
>> If they (the authorities) have their collective 'scat' together they
>> should be opening the flood gates on the dikes now.
>> I wish them luck!
>
> NOLA has pumps that move water into Lake Pontchartrain during periods of
> heavy rain. If the lake empties into the city, the pumps will be
> underwater, and it's estimated that it will take about six months to drain
> the city...

I don't understand why people who are staying in hotels feel that they are
'safe'.
I surely wouldn't.
Dee Dee

Bob wrote:

> If the risk is known and the politicians don't take adequate measures to
> alleviate the damage, SHOULDN'T they be blamed? Here, read this:
>
> http://americanradioworks.publicradi...urricane1.html

Nothing in the above supports your accusations in any way.

How did anyone fail to "take adequate measures"? It's been studied
to death (funded by the federal government, I might add), and it's
been a known threat for some time. Short of moving people out permanently,
what did you expect them to do?

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

MareCat wrote:
> "Ken Davey" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Being six feet below sea level doesn't bode well for the 'big easy'.
>> If they (the authorities) have their collective 'scat' together they
>> should be opening the flood gates on the dikes now.
>> I wish them luck!
>
> NOLA has pumps that move water into Lake Pontchartrain during periods
> of heavy rain. If the lake empties into the city, the pumps will be
> underwater, and it's estimated that it will take about six months to
> drain the city...
My point is that at least there will still be a levee system after. If they
wash out.............

Regardless - it is one hell of a scary thing that is about to happen there!

"Bob" > wrote:

>Jill wrote:
>
>> Still no reason to start bashing politicos; want to bash someone, bash
>> your version of "god" for the hurricane. Politics have nothing to do
>> with it.
>
>If the risk is known and the politicians don't take adequate measures to
>alleviate the damage, SHOULDN'T they be blamed? Here, read this:
>
>http://americanradioworks.publicradi...urricane1.html


Aaand theres nothing there to support your contention that politicians
haven't taken adequate measures.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

"jmcquown" > said:

> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
> are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption, "I
> won't leave, they can't make me".

I would guess that the people with cars have crammed said cars with as many
of their valuables as possible, and don't have room for helping the
have-nots of society.

I'd also suspect that a lot of the have-nots would have moved away many
years ago if they could afford to do so (you know someone right now who is
in that position).

The poor will most likely represent the largest loss of life, and I don't
believe that, for most of them, they had many options.

Carol
--
http://tinyurl.com/9hjxt

"Dee Randall" > wrote in message
>
> I don't understand why people who are staying in hotels feel that they are
> 'safe'.
> I surely wouldn't.
> Dee Dee

Safer than a frame built house or trailer perhaps, but with a Cat 4, nothing
is truly safe.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
>>
>> I don't understand why people who are staying in hotels feel that
>> they are 'safe'.
>> I surely wouldn't.
>> Dee Dee
>
> Safer than a frame built house or trailer perhaps, but with a Cat 4,
> nothing is truly safe.

It's a Cat 5. They are comparing it to Andrew and Camille, if you remember
those.

jmcquown wrote:
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> > "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> I don't understand why people who are staying in hotels feel that
> >> they are 'safe'.
> >> I surely wouldn't.
> >> Dee Dee
> >
> > Safer than a frame built house or trailer perhaps, but with a Cat 4,
> > nothing is truly safe.
>
> It's a Cat 5. They are comparing it to Andrew and Camille, if you remember
> those.

It's a Cat 4 at 145 mph winds. Borderline Cat 5 - 150 is cat 5.

Sandi

Sandi wrote:

>
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> > "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> I don't understand why people who are staying in hotels feel that
>> >> they are 'safe'.
>> >> I surely wouldn't.
>> >> Dee Dee
>> >
>> > Safer than a frame built house or trailer perhaps, but with a Cat
>> > 4, nothing is truly safe.
>>
>> It's a Cat 5. They are comparing it to Andrew and Camille, if you
>> remember those.
>
> It's a Cat 4 at 145 mph winds. Borderline Cat 5 - 150 is cat 5.
>
> Sandi


It's projected path for the next few days is also scary.

--
Andy
http://tinyurl.com/dzl7h

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
> >
> > I don't understand why people who are staying in hotels feel that they
are
> > 'safe'.
> > I surely wouldn't.
> > Dee Dee
>
> Safer than a frame built house or trailer perhaps, but with a Cat 4,
nothing
> is truly safe.
>
>

The irony of the whole thing would be if the stadium that they're using as a
shelter, would blow over.

kili

jmcquown wrote:
> Gabby wrote:
> > "rosie" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> >> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
> >> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
> >>
> >> Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
> >> thing driving the price of oil.
> >>
> >> I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
> >
> > Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
> > evacuating the area.
> >
> > Gabby
>
> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
> are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption, "I
> won't leave, they can't make me".

No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
evacuate on their own is overwhelming.

Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
own the same. Too bad it isn't true.

Sandi

Sandi wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand why people who are staying in hotels feel that
>>>> they are 'safe'.
>>>> I surely wouldn't.
>>>> Dee Dee
>>>
>>> Safer than a frame built house or trailer perhaps, but with a Cat 4,
>>> nothing is truly safe.
>>
>> It's a Cat 5. They are comparing it to Andrew and Camille, if you
>> remember those.
>
> It's a Cat 4 at 145 mph winds. Borderline Cat 5 - 150 is cat 5.
>
> Sandi

Yesterday it was a Cat 5 with 175 mph winds.

Jill

On Mon 29 Aug 2005 05:02:40a, Sandi wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
> dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
> the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
> area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
> empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
> evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
>
> Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
> who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
> Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
> assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
> own the same. Too bad it isn't true.

Sandi, while all of those conditions exist and there are people in that
predicament, there is also an element who want to "brave it out" and an
element who want to have hurricane "parties". Examples of that are
reported during/after every major hurricane. I feel very sorry for those
who, for whatever reason, cannot leave, but I don't give a damn about those
who are too stupid to leave.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
unless there are three other people.

"Sandi" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Gabby wrote:
>> > "rosie" > wrote in message
>> > ups.com...
>> >> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
>> >> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>> >>
>> >> Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
>> >> thing driving the price of oil.
>> >>
>> >> I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
>> >
>> > Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
>> > evacuating the area.
>> >
>> > Gabby
>>
>> No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
>> are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption,
>> "I
>> won't leave, they can't make me".
>
> No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
> dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
> the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
> area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
> empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
> evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
>
> Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
> who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
> Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
> assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
> own the same. Too bad it isn't true.
>
> Sandi

Americans do NOT assume that that everyone in the world, including some of
their fellow Americans, own cells phones, cars, have toilets, have
electronics....
Dee Dee


Dee Dee

There are shelters that have been set up, including the Super Dome,
which as I understand has a few leaks. Cities that have the money to
build these huge places for games, hopefully have ways to protect those
who cannot help them selves. Personally, I do not feel it is the
governments place to take care of us.

The poor are usually the ones who suffer the most, but there are some
options. I would guess that everything that can be done, has been. The
area has been declared a disaster zone, and ASAP the Red Cross and
other agencies will be there doing their best.

Rosie

There are shelters that have been set up, including the Super Dome,
which as I understand has a few leaks. Cities that have the money to
build these huge places for games, hopefully have ways to protect those
who cannot help them selves. Personally, I do not feel it is the
governments place to take care of us.

The poor are usually the ones who suffer the most, but there are some
options. I would guess that everything that can be done, has been. The
area has been declared a disaster zone, and ASAP the Red Cross and
other agencies will be there doing their best.

Rosie

In article >,
"kilikini" > wrote:

> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> > "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
> > >
> > > I don't understand why people who are staying in hotels feel that they
> are
> > > 'safe'.
> > > I surely wouldn't.
> > > Dee Dee
> >
> > Safer than a frame built house or trailer perhaps, but with a Cat 4,
> nothing
> > is truly safe.
> >
> >
>
> The irony of the whole thing would be if the stadium that they're using as a
> shelter, would blow over.
>
> kili

The Superdome hasn't blown over (yet), but leaks have appeared in the
roof.

I was watching CNN this morning while eating breakfast. "Major
structural damage" has appeared in many buildings in New Orleans. In
other words, it might be wise to rethink a Cajun eatathon vacation
scheduled for anytime this fall.

My thoughts are with the folks who live down there and in the predicted
future path of Katrina (which includes a wide swath of the midwest and
Great Lakes states).

Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

Delete the obvious to email me

rosie wrote:

> There are shelters that have been set up, including the Super Dome,
> which as I understand has a few leaks. Cities that have the money to
> build these huge places for games, hopefully have ways to protect those
> who cannot help them selves. Personally, I do not feel it is the
> governments place to take care of us.


The government obviously thinks differently, Rosie:

http://www.fema.gov/

FEMA History

"Helping People Before, During, And After Disasters"

[excerpts]

The Federal Emergency Management Agency - a former independent agency that
became part of the new Department of Homeland Security in March 2003 - is
tasked with responding to, planning for, recovering from and mitigating
against disasters. FEMA can trace its beginnings to the Congressional Act of
1803. This act, generally considered the first piece of disaster
legislation, provided assistance to a New Hampshire town following an
extensive fire. In the century that followed, ad hoc legislation was passed
more than 100 times in response to hurricanes, earthquakes, floods and other
natural disasters.

By the 1930s, when the federal approach to problems became popular, the
Reconstruction Finance Corporation was given authority to make disaster
loans for repair and reconstruction of certain public facilities following
an earthquake, and later, other types of disasters. In 1934, the Bureau of
Public Roads was given authority to provide funding for highways and bridges
damaged by natural disasters. The Flood Control Act, which gave the U.S.
Army Corps of Engineers greater authority to implement flood control
projects, was also passed. This piecemeal approach to disaster assistance
was problematic and it prompted legislation that required greater
cooperation between federal agencies and authorized the President to
coordinate these activities.

The 1960s and early 1970s brought massive disasters requiring major federal
response and recovery operations by the Federal Disaster Assistance
Administration, established within the Department of Housing and Urban
Development (HUD). Hurricane Carla struck in 1962, Hurricane Betsy in 1965,
Hurricane Camille in 1969 and Hurricane Agnes in 1972. The Alaskan
Earthquake hit in 1964 and the San Fernando Earthquake rocked Southern
California in 1971. These events served to focus attention on the issue of
natural disasters and brought about increased legislation. In 1968, the
National Flood Insurance Act offered new flood protection to homeowners, and
in 1974 the Disaster Relief Act firmly established the process of
Presidential disaster declarations

President Carter's 1979 executive order merged many of the separate
disaster-related responsibilities into a new Federal Emergency Management
Agency (FEMA). Among other agencies, FEMA absorbed: the Federal Insurance
Administration, the National Fire Prevention and Control Administration, the
National Weather Service Community Preparedness Program, the Federal
Preparedness Agency of the General Services Administration and the Federal
Disaster Assistance Administration activities from HUD. Civil defense
responsibilities were also transferred to the new agency from the Defense
Department's Defense Civil Preparedness Agency

The new agency was faced with many unusual challenges in its first few years
that emphasized how complex emergency management can be. Early disasters and
emergencies included the contamination of Love Canal, the Cuban refugee
crisis and the accident at the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant. Later,
the Loma Prieta Earthquake in 1989 and Hurricane Andrew in 1992 focused
major national attention on FEMA. In 1993, President Clinton nominated James
L. Witt as the new FEMA director. Witt became the first agency director with
experience as a state emergency manager. He initiated sweeping reforms that
streamlined disaster relief and recovery operations, insisted on a new
emphasis regarding preparedness and mitigation, and focused agency employees
on customer service. The end of the Cold War also allowed Witt to redirect
more of FEMA's limited resources from civil defense into disaster relief,
recovery and mitigation programs"

Cindy Fuller > wrote:

>My thoughts are with the folks who live down there and in the predicted
>future path of Katrina (which includes a wide swath of the midwest and
>Great Lakes states).

And all of that area drains - right past New Orleans. The Big Easy
may not be entirely out of danger for weeks.

D.
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-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL