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On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:08:11 +0000 (UTC), quiqueg > wrote:
>Bubbabob > wrote in .3.30: > >> That also have 60 mpg cars that the US won't let into the country. >> > >the VW Lupo is something close to 80 mpg (diesel). Todays entertainment will be; Go to the gas station, and watch the owners of the 4-ton SUV's fill their 36 gallon tanks..... <rj> |
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"<RJ>" > wrote in message ... > On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:08:11 +0000 (UTC), quiqueg > wrote: > >>Bubbabob > wrote in 8.3.30: >> >>> That also have 60 mpg cars that the US won't let into the country. >>> >> >>the VW Lupo is something close to 80 mpg (diesel). > > Todays entertainment will be; > Go to the gas station, > and watch the owners of the 4-ton SUV's fill their 36 gallon tanks..... > > > <rj> I wonder just how long it will take till they max out their credit cards? Pretty soon Ditech will start advertising Gas loans. Dimitri |
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"Bubbabob" > wrote in message . 3.30... > Unfortunately, all of the new US hybrids scheduled to be marketed in the > next few years are designed for NO additional fuel economy. They're being > optimized for high acceleration because "that's what Americans want". Even the ones that DO tout fuel economy, such as the Prius and the Insight, really make very little sense from an economic point of view. If you were truly interested in saving gas AND dollars, you're better off buying one of the high-gas-mileage but conventional drivetrain offerings - such as the Honda Civic HX (the Toyota Echo is unfortunately, from this perspective, no longer available in the U.S.). You get a much lower initial cost (and even at the higher list prices, the hybrids are basically being subsidized by their manufacturers), good mileage, and no concerns about what's going to happen to that big box of toxic waste called the "battery" at the end of its useful life. No offense to Prius or Insight buyers, but let's face it - getting a hybrid at this point in time is more about making a statement than really going for the option that makes the most economic and environmental sense. Bob M. |
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"Applecandy" > wrote in message oups.com... > I was under the impression that the main advantage of hybrid cars was > not so much "saving money" but contributing less overall pollution to > the environment--in other words, more of an issue of conscience than an > issue of economics. But I would be interested in hearing from anyone > who might elucidate me otherwise. Current hybrids don't really make that much sense from either an economic OR environmental perspective, when you figure in the true total cost of ownership/operation and the various environmental concerns surrounding both the production and disposal of the battery. Bob M. |
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"Dimitri" > wrote in message . .. > > "Dee Randall" > wrote >> I bought my first car in 1959, it was a little bug Volvo which was >> supposed (they said) to get comparable mileage to the VW; it NEVER got >> over 8 miles a gallon for 6 years! Every dealer in 3 states checked it >> out. I still think of the screwing I took on that car. Nope -- too poor >> to get rid of it. > You mean the 544? or the 444 or the P540 ? The man lied through his > teeth. I had a 58' - that car use the BMC 1.5 liter 4 banger with twin > SU'S - 8 MPG is very very low. aside from that gas was about 30 cents a > gallon. Funny, I got this month's Consumer Reports in the mail today, tada, right on the cover: EPA tests misrepresent MPG 90% of the time, and Hybrids: As green as they claim? nancy |
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On 2005-09-01, quiqueg > wrote:
> the VW Lupo is something close to 80 mpg (diesel). Yeah, I kinda like diesels. I had a diesel Rabbit and it was a good car till it did a blues bros on me. So, last week I was looking at the prices on a used Mercedes diesel. The pickin's looked pretty good till I discovered diesel fuel is going for $.50 more than regular! When did that happen? Last time I noticed it was $.50 cheaper. No wonder the price of everything has gone up. Truckers must be taking it up the bum. nb |
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On 2005-09-01, Bob Myers > wrote:
> this point in time is more about making a statement than really > going for the option that makes the most economic and > environmental sense. True. They don't call 'em "feel good" cars for nothing. nb |
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"Ted Campanelli" > wrote in message m... > Well, here in Connecticut we hit $3.19 a gallon for regular today. > ONLY, a "LITTLE" jump. Yesterday it was $2.79 a gallon. All > indications are that gasoline will pass the $4.00 mark this weekend. > > Since "Our Illustrious Leader", George Bush, decided to release some of > the oil reserves yesterday, I wonder who is pocketing all the money ? > It sure isn't the gas station 1) The "free-market-gets-lowest-prices" pop-myth is aptly illustrated by the gas price boom - a defunct theory that works if you keep shifting the reference frame until something fits - keep shifting the applied market until the theory is "proven." You'd think we lived in a village 200 years back where all the corn was in one bin and 10 people were bidding on it, except the proponents of the theory conveniently forget that the people in the next town could care less about that corn market and those 10 people, because the supply and demand in town A didn't affect town B. Gasoline? - The refinery in the upper Midwest has no problem, it has plenty of crude, the pipelines from Canada are full, the pipelines out to the terminals are full, the river barge traffic is impassable so fuel isn't being shipped - and it's upper Midwest service area still has $3 a gallon gas - free-market? nope - it's capitalism - hold the goods and charge what the market will bear 2) And it seems all those cars in the three-states flooded areas aren't burning a drop of fuel for cars or electricity - being under water and having no roads and all. 3) Good old George - Nothing worse for a country or a group than having an "unlucky" leader - you end up just as dead - as the marines say - bad luck is just another name for poor planning . 4) And the response is a disaster "because it wasn't anticipated" - yeah, after Clinton revamped FEMA in 93 when he put in a professional to lead it, and it was clicking and took care of those other hurricanes and fires and other disasters so well we hardly heard of them in the 90s- I wonder how GW feels about his ABC gutting and dissolving of FEMA in 2001, right down to skeleton? Good move, George - another example of leadership and planning Amazing how that boy and his right wingnut advisors have such fine theories that consistently fall on their ass when it comes time to use them in the real world - heavy military reduction plans pre-911, saving fuel by not running flight patrols Boston- Washington as of 6/01, ****y little tax cuts responsible for boosting the economy rather than classic HUGE deficit spending, firing the generals who told him he needed 300,000 to secure Iraq, WMDs, -- wait - I hear an Iraqi with open arms at my door - probably with a care package, since we have gone from surplus and peace under BC to deficit and war under unlucky George. Give me a lucky leader over an unlucky one, any day of the week. Fewer apologists. |
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Nola wrote:
> On 31-Aug-2005, OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote: > > >>>>That also have 60 mpg cars that the US won't let into the country. >>> >>>Yeah, they're called scooters. >>> >> >>No Sheldon, >> >>He's right... >> >>They have higher gas mileage cars in Japan too. >>-- > > > That is because people in the rest of the world buy fuel efficient vehicles, > primarily because their gas prices have always been high. Here, we have a > lot of people who buy impractical, gas-guzzling vehicles to make up for > feelings of inadequacy, then claim government/big-business/villain-of-choice > conspiracy when prices go up due to supply shortage. > > This is not new; we had the same problem in the '70s. For a few years > people drove smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles. Now, soccer moms and > wussy dad's strap on their SUV to run to Boston Market to pickup tonights > home cookin' - like you need an 8000lb gvw 4x4 to cart home dinner for four > in styrofoam containers. Then you have the tree-huggers who don't want the > refinery built because it might endanger the beaver-pelt louse, but drive a > Grand Cherokee to pilates class and bitch about gas prices. > > Next, some twit will bring up the 300 mpg carburetor conspiracy - proven to > work in 1952 when a Studebaker Commander was driven coast-to-coast on a pint > of gas, or some such nonsense. Or mothballs in the gas tank. But, we the > government is helping the big oil companies suppress these great inventions. > > If we Americans all would drive something sensible for the use we make of > our vehicles, consumption would fall and drive prices down. > > Well, time to pick the kids up from school - chance to show off the new > Hummer (got a great deal and made the downpayment by refinancing the house > and taking a little equity out). But, man - with the oil companies screwing > me on gas prices, I may not be able to run the A/C for the whole 30 minutes > I usually have to wait to get up close to the building so Muffy and Chad > don't have to walk far. Oh, and I hope that car -side-to-go delivery at > Appleby's is faster tonight - last night it cost $3 in gas before they > brought out dinner. > This is SO funny  Thanks for that. Of course it wouldn't be so funnyif it weren't true...and that sorta makes it Not funny lol Roberta (in VA) |
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On Thu 01 Sep 2005 02:23:08p, Dog3 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote in > : >> Are you going to school? >> > > Yes I am Wayne. I have forgotten all that I have forgotten ;( I have > decided to give something back to the medical community because they saved > my life. I'll be a Cardiac Sonographer when I grow up  > > Michael > I think that's super! I didn't know you were. -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* ____________________________________________ My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four, unless there are three other people. |
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On Wed 31 Aug 2005 04:08:54p, Ted Campanelli wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> Well, here in Connecticut we hit $3.19 a gallon for regular today. > ONLY, a "LITTLE" jump. Yesterday it was $2.79 a gallon. All > indications are that gasoline will pass the $4.00 mark this weekend. > > Since "Our Illustrious Leader", George Bush, decided to release some of > the oil reserves yesterday, I wonder who is pocketing all the money ? > It sure isn't the gas station I filled my tank this morning at $2.79/gal. As I came home tonight, the price at the same station was $2.95/gal. -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* ____________________________________________ My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four, unless there are three other people. |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:16:16 -0500, Damsel in dis Dress
> connected the dots and wrote: ~Ted Campanelli > said: ~ ~> Well, here in Connecticut we hit $3.19 a gallon for regular today. ~> ONLY, a "LITTLE" jump. Yesterday it was $2.79 a gallon. All ~> indications are that gasoline will pass the $4.00 mark this weeken ~ ~We were still able to fill our tank with $2.91 gas tonight. But at the ~other end of town, all the stations are selling it for $3.14. Over $30 to ~fill the tank of a little Neon. Sheesh! ~ ~Carol I had to drive into Boston today, and saw the most amazing thing: almost all the stations were $3.25 for regular. A few were higher, a few were lower, and I shoulda tanked up in the morning, would have saved 15 cents a gallon. I'm not looking forward to the next couple of days, gotta go up there again (and again). maxine in ri |
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message > > Of course that's true, but I've driven in a whole lot of traffic, > knock wood give me a professional driver driving a semi over > some kid in a monster suv speeding to school while talking to > ashley on the phone. Sadly, as we face a shortage of drivers, the professionals coming in the business today are not as professional as they used to be. I see a lot more women too, and most are damned good drivers. One of our docks a bit hard to get into. A driver was arguing with me that it was not possible to get a 53 footer into that spot. Meantime, a woman that comes on a regular basis drove up, I pointed to the dock door and she backed right in stopping a few feet from us. Sure made that guy look silly. -- Ed http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/ |
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"-L." > wrote in message > > Really easy solution: Walk, ride a bike or use public trans. > Americans make themselves dependant on oil and then bitch when they > have to pay for it. Unbelievable. Not that simple. I have a 26 mile (one way) commute and there is NO public transportation available. Used to be a couple of trains that I could take, but they stopped running them after the 1955 flood. Your "simple" solution requires a revamping of the US economy, major changes in the infrastructure (highways and public transportation) and probably major changes in careers and job skills to locations closer to home. |
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"-L." > wrote in message > All except the last pretty much are choices. Sure, we could have > bought a home 30 miles from DH's work, the grocery, the library, the > swimming pool - we chose not to. Many, many people have that same > choice and do not make it. Then they bitch because they have to buy > gas. Many do not have that choice. I moved to my present house to be 3 miles from work. I'd walk it in good weather. Then the company was sold and my present job is 26 miles away and moving was not much of an option. And I've not bitched about the price of gas. |
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"Nola" > wrote in message > Next, some twit will bring up the 300 mpg carburetor conspiracy - proven > to > work in 1952 when a Studebaker Commander was driven coast-to-coast on a > pint > of gas, or some such nonsense. If you add the water injector it got even better mileage. |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 -L." > wrote in message
~> ~> Really easy solution: Walk, ride a bike or use public trans. ~> Americans make themselves dependant on oil and then bitch when they ~> have to pay for it. Unbelievable. I used to be able to take the bus to work, but then my division was moved to an area that takes 2 busses to reach it, and an hour and a half for me to travel that route. The first bus starts at 6am, and work starts at 7. You do the math. My husband, however, does take his bike on any dry days, more this year now that our daughter leaves before he needs to to get to work on time. maxine in ri |
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Bubbabob wrote:
> > And in ten years of driving you'll just about break even on the extra > purchase expense. > > Unfortunately, all of the new US hybrids scheduled to be marketed in the > next few years are designed for NO additional fuel economy. They're being > optimized for high acceleration because "that's what Americans want". Ah, but that was not my sole motivation. I am also a green person, and I wanted to have a vehicle that was in synch with that. Besides, how do you know what my alternative choice would have been? -- Jean B. |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote: > "-L." > wrote in message > > > > Really easy solution: Walk, ride a bike or use public trans. > > Americans make themselves dependant on oil and then bitch when they > > have to pay for it. Unbelievable. > > Not that simple. I have a 26 mile (one way) commute and there is NO public > transportation available. Used to be a couple of trains that I could take, > but they stopped running them after the 1955 flood. > > Your "simple" solution requires a revamping of the US economy, major changes > in the infrastructure (highways and public transportation) and probably > major changes in careers and job skills to locations closer to home. I used to live seven miles from work and for two years whenever weather permited I rode a ten speed, but it was not very safe traveling country roads and so the first time a pick up ran me off the road I considered myself very lucky to walk away without a scratch but was not about to press my luck further and so never rode the bike to work again. In theory riding a bike sounds wonderful but the reality is very different. And very few people I knew then could ride that seven miles (14 miles round trip), I got to where I could make the seven miles in under 20 minutes. I was much younger, 32 years old, and in fantastic shape, but I know even then I could never have made a 26 mile run in reasonable commuting time and still put in a day's work.... even doing the seven miles in 20 minutes I had to bring a change of clothes, you could literally wring a quart of persiration from my Levis and tee... even my sneaks and socks were soaked. Unless one lives less than three miles from work, and the ride is fairly level a bike is really not a viable option for the vast majority of people. And then there's the weather... I can't tell you how many times there was a fine sunny morning and the trip home was through a torrential thunder storm. And in the US northeast you're not going to pedal a bike in winter. Forget all about the bicycle thing. There was one benefit of riding a bike in the rain with wet tee shirt, in the two years I got picked up by lonely soccer moms driving cars on no less than six occasions... I guess they had that maternal instinct, had to bring me home and warm me up. Sheldon |
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Wed 31 Aug 2005 07:43:37p, Jean B. wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > >>Bubbabob wrote: >> >>>That also have 60 mpg cars that the US won't let into the country. >> >>You can get Insights and Priuses and others. I just bought a >>Prius. Good timing, I guess. >> > > > That's fine if you can afford to buy an Insight or Prius. I can't. I bought > a 2005 car that was supposed to get 30 mpg on freeway which is 95% of my > driving. I'm lucky to get 22 mpg. I had the dealer check it out a few weeks > ago and was told that there was nothing wrong with it, nor did it require any > adjustments. :-( > Oh yes, that's what propelled me into buying my Prius. My car has a problem, which has led to its dropping for ca 22 mpg to 16-17 mpg. It doesn't shift properly, which is probably related--and the dealer says there's nothing wrong with it. Of course, it also just went out of warranty.... I suspect they will find there is something major wrong with it now.... In the meantime, I will drive the Prius most of the time--and never buy a VW again. -- Jean B. |
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Applecandy wrote:
> Bubbabob wrote: > >>"Jean B." > wrote: >> >> >>>Bubbabob wrote: >>> >>>>That also have 60 mpg cars that the US won't let into the country. >>> >>>You can get Insights and Priuses and others. I just bought a >>>Prius. Good timing, I guess. >>> >> >>And in ten years of driving you'll just about break even on the extra >>purchase expense. >> > > > I was under the impression that the main advantage of hybrid cars was > not so much "saving money" but contributing less overall pollution to > the environment--in other words, more of an issue of conscience than an > issue of economics. But I would be interested in hearing from anyone > who might elucidate me otherwise. > > Applecandy > Well, for me it is both. I was fed up with my low MPG, and I wanted to contribute less to global pollution. (I would have bought a hybrid last time but was hoping there'd be a hybrid sedan with AWD. Still none, and I don't want an SUV.) -- Jean B. |
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>>By US standards those rolling coffins are not cars.
> > > Exactly, I wouldn't get onto the nearest busy street in those > mini cars I've seen in Europe ... imagine them on the road > with a nice Expedition on your tail? No thanks. Hence the problem. People have big vehicles, then others need bigger ones so they feel safe, and it spirals on. --Charlene -- Jock: A strapping young fellow who instinctively knows that his knack for teamwork and disdain for academics will someday catapult him into the corporate boardroom. -- Bayan, Rick; The Cynic's Dictionary, 2002 email perronnelle at earthlink . net |
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > I filled my tank this morning at $2.79/gal. As I came home tonight, the > price at the same station was $2.95/gal. > I saw the price at my normal station rose 26 cents today.... That makes 41 cents in the last few days. -- Jean B. |
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"Jean B." > wrote in message > > Besides, how do you know what my alternative choice would have been? The new "small" Hummer H3??? |
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On Thu 01 Sep 2005 08:38:57p, Jean B. wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote: > >> On Wed 31 Aug 2005 07:43:37p, Jean B. wrote in rec.food.cooking: >> >> >>>Bubbabob wrote: >>> >>>>That also have 60 mpg cars that the US won't let into the country. >>> >>>You can get Insights and Priuses and others. I just bought a >>>Prius. Good timing, I guess. >>> >> >> >> That's fine if you can afford to buy an Insight or Prius. I can't. I >> bought a 2005 car that was supposed to get 30 mpg on freeway which is >> 95% of my driving. I'm lucky to get 22 mpg. I had the dealer check it >> out a few weeks ago and was told that there was nothing wrong with it, >> nor did it require any adjustments. :-( >> > Oh yes, that's what propelled me into buying my Prius. My car > has a problem, which has led to its dropping for ca 22 mpg to > 16-17 mpg. It doesn't shift properly, which is probably > related--and the dealer says there's nothing wrong with it. > Of course, it also just went out of warranty.... I suspect > they will find there is something major wrong with it now.... > In the meantime, I will drive the Prius most of the > time--and never buy a VW again. > I understand, but since I've only recently bought this car, I doubt I could trade it in without significant loss. I still may look into it, though. Who knows if and when our gas prices may ever become reasonable again, and I'll soon be unable to afford driving to work if it keeps rising. -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* ____________________________________________ My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four, unless there are three other people. |
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On Thu 01 Sep 2005 08:45:15p, Charlene Charette wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>By US standards those rolling coffins are not cars. >> >> >> Exactly, I wouldn't get onto the nearest busy street in those >> mini cars I've seen in Europe ... imagine them on the road with a nice >> Expedition on your tail? No thanks. > > Hence the problem. People have big vehicles, then others need bigger > ones so they feel safe, and it spirals on. > > --Charlene > I don't want to own a truck, but it seems that there are more pickup trucks of all variety and size on AZ streets and freeways than anything else. At times it becomes quite intimidating. I think it's come to a point where people should have to show "proof of need" for any vehicle beyond one of "reasonable" size. It's totally rediculous. What really frosts me is seeing the large number of *large* and hi-rise type pickups with handicap plates! -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* ____________________________________________ My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four, unless there are three other people. |
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"-L." > wrote in message ups.com... > > Dee Randall wrote: >> All of America's population doesn't all live near public transportation; >> All >> of America's population is not able to walk to grocery stores or medical >> facilities; All of America's population cannot ride a bike. > > All except the last pretty much are choices. Sure, we could have > bought a home 30 miles from DH's work, the grocery, the library, the > swimming pool - we chose not to. Many, many people have that same > choice and do not make it. Then they bitch because they have to buy > gas. > Here is the point -- My neighbor for 20 years commuted to work to Washington, D.C., some 90 miles each way, by choice. One thing he didn't bitch about, nor have to bitch about, was the price of gas! It did not even enter into his choice; now it does! He's retired and happy he made the choice for a country life, to raise his kids and to retire at an early age. The same goes with utilities, years ago one did not make the choice of the size of a house in relationship to the amount of money it cost to heat it. It did not even enter into his choice, now it does! These are things that we have chosen to do based on previous lower prices that we had no ideas that this life style choice would create such a problem. People over 30/40/50 have made choices that they don't wish to change, such as move their families into a highly populated area just to save gas money and pay higher prices for their homes besides and to move from their homes they've spent many years (and memories) in. Just buying a Saturn instead of a SUV doesn't cut it. Yes, these are life choices, but we still have the right to bitch about the price of gas and the price of utilities. We're not bitching as you say, because we have to buy gas, we're bitching because it is too darned high, higher than we assumed it would be when were planning our life. Dee Dee |
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message ... > On Wed 31 Aug 2005 04:08:54p, Ted Campanelli wrote in rec.food.cooking: > >> Well, here in Connecticut we hit $3.19 a gallon for regular today. >> ONLY, a "LITTLE" jump. Yesterday it was $2.79 a gallon. All >> indications are that gasoline will pass the $4.00 mark this weekend. >> >> Since "Our Illustrious Leader", George Bush, decided to release some of >> the oil reserves yesterday, I wonder who is pocketing all the money ? >> It sure isn't the gas station > > I filled my tank this morning at $2.79/gal. As I came home tonight, the > price at the same station was $2.95/gal. > > -- > Wayne Boatwright *¿* Filled tank this morning @ $2.899. When we came home, it was $3.199. At Costco, Manassas, VA this afternnon it was $2.749; I'm sure it will be more tomorrow. Dee Dee |
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message ... > On Thu 01 Sep 2005 08:45:15p, Charlene Charette wrote in rec.food.cooking: > >>>>By US standards those rolling coffins are not cars. >>> >>> >>> Exactly, I wouldn't get onto the nearest busy street in those >>> mini cars I've seen in Europe ... imagine them on the road with a nice >>> Expedition on your tail? No thanks. >> >> Hence the problem. People have big vehicles, then others need bigger >> ones so they feel safe, and it spirals on. >> >> --Charlene >> > > I don't want to own a truck, but it seems that there are more pickup > trucks > of all variety and size on AZ streets and freeways than anything else. At > times it becomes quite intimidating. > > I think it's come to a point where people should have to show "proof of > need" for any vehicle beyond one of "reasonable" size. It's totally > rediculous. > > What really frosts me is seeing the large number of *large* and hi-rise > type pickups with handicap plates! > > -- > Wayne Boatwright *¿* Thoughts on the pickups with handicap plates: 1) might (but probably doesn't) have a lift for the out-patient 2) the person driving isn't handicapped, but the vehicle has the handicap plates (or handicap sign) because of a member of the family is handicapped. 3) Once you get the handicap signs, they're yours for life (in one state I know that's true), perhaps the family passes the sign down to other members of the family when the handicapped person dies. Dee Dee |
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On Thu 01 Sep 2005 09:16:37p, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message > ... >> On Wed 31 Aug 2005 04:08:54p, Ted Campanelli wrote in rec.food.cooking: >> >>> Well, here in Connecticut we hit $3.19 a gallon for regular today. >>> ONLY, a "LITTLE" jump. Yesterday it was $2.79 a gallon. All >>> indications are that gasoline will pass the $4.00 mark this weekend. >>> >>> Since "Our Illustrious Leader", George Bush, decided to release some >>> of the oil reserves yesterday, I wonder who is pocketing all the money >>> ? It sure isn't the gas station >> >> I filled my tank this morning at $2.79/gal. As I came home tonight, >> the price at the same station was $2.95/gal. >> >> -- >> Wayne Boatwright *¿* > > Filled tank this morning @ $2.899. When we came home, it was $3.199. > At Costco, Manassas, VA this afternnon it was $2.749; I'm sure it will > be more tomorrow. > Dee Dee It'll be no surprise if it increases twice a day, which is what it's done here for the past 2 days. -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* ____________________________________________ My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four, unless there are three other people. |
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On Thu 01 Sep 2005 09:24:55p, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message > ... >> On Thu 01 Sep 2005 08:45:15p, Charlene Charette wrote in >> rec.food.cooking: >> >>>>>By US standards those rolling coffins are not cars. >>>> >>>> >>>> Exactly, I wouldn't get onto the nearest busy street in those >>>> mini cars I've seen in Europe ... imagine them on the road with a >>>> nice Expedition on your tail? No thanks. >>> >>> Hence the problem. People have big vehicles, then others need bigger >>> ones so they feel safe, and it spirals on. >>> >>> --Charlene >>> >> >> I don't want to own a truck, but it seems that there are more pickup >> trucks of all variety and size on AZ streets and freeways than anything >> else. At times it becomes quite intimidating. >> >> I think it's come to a point where people should have to show "proof of >> need" for any vehicle beyond one of "reasonable" size. It's totally >> rediculous. >> >> What really frosts me is seeing the large number of *large* and hi-rise >> type pickups with handicap plates! >> >> -- >> Wayne Boatwright *¿* > > Thoughts on the pickups with handicap plates: > 1) might (but probably doesn't) have a lift for the out-patient In most cases, obviously not. > 2) the person driving isn't handicapped, but the vehicle has the > handicap plates (or handicap sign) because of a member of the family is > handicapped. If that's true, in many cases they'd need a hoist to get the family member in the damned thing. 3) Once you get the handicap signs, they're yours for life > (in one state I know that's true), perhaps the family passes the sign > down to other members of the family when the handicapped person dies. In AZ, handicap stickers and plates must be re-issued every 7 years. It's illegal to make use of a sticker or plate if you are not the handicapped person, or not driving that person. If you are not the handicapped person and you are driving a vehicle with a handicapped plate, you are not legally allowed to make use of designated parking spaces or special traffic lanes. Obviously, they do anyway. In AZ it's a joke. Granted, we have a huge number of retirees and a larger than normal number of legitimately needed handicapped parking spaces and vehicles that display either a sticker or plate. However, from what I understand after discussing this with a variety of people, registration (which requires physician's signature) are passed out like candy. It's disgusting. -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* ____________________________________________ My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four, unless there are three other people. |
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Wayne Boatwright wrote on 01 Sep 2005 in rec.food.cooking
> On Thu 01 Sep 2005 09:24:55p, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > > > > "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message > > ... > >> On Thu 01 Sep 2005 08:45:15p, Charlene Charette wrote in > >> rec.food.cooking: > >> > >>>>>By US standards those rolling coffins are not cars. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Exactly, I wouldn't get onto the nearest busy street in those > >>>> mini cars I've seen in Europe ... imagine them on the road with > >>>> a nice Expedition on your tail? No thanks. > >>> > >>> Hence the problem. People have big vehicles, then others need > >>> bigger ones so they feel safe, and it spirals on. > >>> > >>> --Charlene > >>> > >> > >> I don't want to own a truck, but it seems that there are more > >> pickup trucks of all variety and size on AZ streets and freeways > >> than anything else. At times it becomes quite intimidating. > >> > >> I think it's come to a point where people should have to show > >> "proof of need" for any vehicle beyond one of "reasonable" size. > >> It's totally rediculous. > >> > >> What really frosts me is seeing the large number of *large* and > >> hi-rise type pickups with handicap plates! > >> > >> -- > >> Wayne Boatwright *¿* > > > > Thoughts on the pickups with handicap plates: > > 1) might (but probably doesn't) have a lift for the out-patient > > In most cases, obviously not. > > > 2) the person driving isn't handicapped, but the vehicle has the > > handicap plates (or handicap sign) because of a member of the > > family is handicapped. > > If that's true, in many cases they'd need a hoist to get the family > member in the damned thing. > > 3) Once you get the handicap signs, they're yours for life > > (in one state I know that's true), perhaps the family passes the > > sign down to other members of the family when the handicapped > > person dies. > > In AZ, handicap stickers and plates must be re-issued every 7 years. > > It's illegal to make use of a sticker or plate if you are not the > handicapped person, or not driving that person. If you are not the > handicapped person and you are driving a vehicle with a handicapped > plate, you are not legally allowed to make use of designated parking > spaces or special traffic lanes. Obviously, they do anyway. > > In AZ it's a joke. Granted, we have a huge number of retirees and a > larger than normal number of legitimately needed handicapped parking > spaces and vehicles that display either a sticker or plate. > However, from what I understand after discussing this with a variety > of people, registration (which requires physician's signature) are > passed out like candy. > > It's disgusting. > I have and need a handicap sticker....I used to drive a pickup with a sticker. I look normal, but I have lung problems...I can't walk more than 200ft without resting. I am better than I was, used to be I could only walk about 100 ft without a rest. Seems it freaks people out if you pass out on the way into their store or in an aisle. And it also plays havoc with your nose. If I get worse I'll need to push around an oxygen tank while I shop, an that's a real pain. I have gotten used to the dirty looks when I park, because my handicap isn't visible. Perhaps it isn't as bad as you think...there are many invisible handicaps. What bugs me is malls and flights of stairs. -- The eyes are the mirrors.... But the ears...Ah the ears. The ears keep the hat up. |
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On Thu 01 Sep 2005 10:29:45p, Mr Libido Incognito wrote in
rec.food.cooking: > Wayne Boatwright wrote on 01 Sep 2005 in rec.food.cooking > >> On Thu 01 Sep 2005 09:24:55p, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking: >> >> > >> > "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >> > ... >> >> On Thu 01 Sep 2005 08:45:15p, Charlene Charette wrote in >> >> rec.food.cooking: >> >> >> >>>>>By US standards those rolling coffins are not cars. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Exactly, I wouldn't get onto the nearest busy street in those >> >>>> mini cars I've seen in Europe ... imagine them on the road with a >> >>>> nice Expedition on your tail? No thanks. >> >>> >> >>> Hence the problem. People have big vehicles, then others need >> >>> bigger ones so they feel safe, and it spirals on. >> >>> >> >>> --Charlene >> >>> >> >> >> >> I don't want to own a truck, but it seems that there are more >> >> pickup trucks of all variety and size on AZ streets and freeways >> >> than anything else. At times it becomes quite intimidating. >> >> >> >> I think it's come to a point where people should have to show >> >> "proof of need" for any vehicle beyond one of "reasonable" size. >> >> It's totally rediculous. >> >> >> >> What really frosts me is seeing the large number of *large* and >> >> hi-rise type pickups with handicap plates! >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Wayne Boatwright *¿* >> > >> > Thoughts on the pickups with handicap plates: 1) might (but probably >> > doesn't) have a lift for the out-patient >> >> In most cases, obviously not. >> >> > 2) the person driving isn't handicapped, but the vehicle has the >> > handicap plates (or handicap sign) because of a member of the family >> > is handicapped. >> >> If that's true, in many cases they'd need a hoist to get the family >> member in the damned thing. >> >> 3) Once you get the handicap signs, they're yours for life >> > (in one state I know that's true), perhaps the family passes the >> > sign down to other members of the family when the handicapped person >> > dies. >> >> In AZ, handicap stickers and plates must be re-issued every 7 years. >> >> It's illegal to make use of a sticker or plate if you are not the >> handicapped person, or not driving that person. If you are not the >> handicapped person and you are driving a vehicle with a handicapped >> plate, you are not legally allowed to make use of designated parking >> spaces or special traffic lanes. Obviously, they do anyway. >> >> In AZ it's a joke. Granted, we have a huge number of retirees and a >> larger than normal number of legitimately needed handicapped parking >> spaces and vehicles that display either a sticker or plate. >> However, from what I understand after discussing this with a variety >> of people, registration (which requires physician's signature) are >> passed out like candy. >> >> It's disgusting. >> > > I have and need a handicap sticker....I used to drive a pickup with a > sticker. I look normal, but I have lung problems...I can't walk more than > 200ft without resting. I am better than I was, used to be I could only > walk about 100 ft without a rest. Seems it freaks people out if you pass > out on the way into their store or in an aisle. And it also plays havoc > with your nose. If I get worse I'll need to push around an oxygen tank > while I shop, an that's a real pain. I have gotten used to the dirty > looks when I park, because my handicap isn't visible. > > Perhaps it isn't as bad as you think...there are many invisible > handicaps. What bugs me is malls and flights of stairs. > Alan, I realize there are many legitimate "invisible" handicaps, and I would be among the first to say that those folks should have the advantages of special needs. However, it begins to seem unlikly when you see guys jump from the cabs and bolt for the doors of Home Depot. Then you see them leave the store and load boxes into those trucks that I couldn't pretend to lift. I don't give anybody dirty looks, but I never fail to analyze their actions. The misuse is rampant out here, and boldly obvious. I hope you continue to improve, and never have to consider that oxygen tank. -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* ____________________________________________ My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four, unless there are three other people. |
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On Thu 01 Sep 2005 10:29:45p, Mr Libido Incognito wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> Perhaps it isn't as bad as you think...there are many invisible > handicaps. What bugs me is malls and flights of stairs. > A few years ago, for about two years period, I was battling fairly severe asthma brought about by a fungal infection. When I went to large stores (I loathe malls and rarely go), I took full advantage of their electric chairs. If I hadn't, I couldn't have made it through the store. I didn't feel guilty about it either. -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* ____________________________________________ My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four, unless there are three other people. |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote: > "-L." > wrote in message > > > > Really easy solution: Walk, ride a bike or use public trans. > > Americans make themselves dependant on oil and then bitch when they > > have to pay for it. Unbelievable. > > Not that simple. I have a 26 mile (one way) commute and there is NO public > transportation available. Your choice. > Used to be a couple of trains that I could take, > but they stopped running them after the 1955 flood. Move. Change jobs. Change careers. Need I list more options...? > > Your "simple" solution requires a revamping of the US economy, major changes > in the infrastructure (highways and public transportation) and probably > major changes in careers and job skills to locations closer to home. Not necessarily. Most people choose to rely on their cars. It's a choice. You can make othwer choice to make yourself less dependant on cars. But no one wants to make the sacrifices they would have to make (change in lifestyle being a biggie) in order to do so. -L. |
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Mi e' parso che Nola abbia scritto:
>> They have higher gas mileage cars in Japan too. > That is because people in the rest of the world buy fuel > efficient vehicles, primarily because their gas prices > have always been high. Here, we have a lot of people who > buy impractical, gas-guzzling vehicles Yep! Actually, I got stunned while reading the mpg figures in this thread. My car makes 100Km with about 5 litres of gasoline, driving both in town and outside town in freeways. In mpg it makes (if 1 US gallon is 3,79 litres and 1 US mile is 1,6 kilometers) about 62,15 miles with 1,31 gallons: 47mpg. And if I drive at 50Kmh (30 - 35 mph) it would consume less than 4 litres per 100Km, and there are cars who drink less than mine, too, here in Europe... -- Vilco Think Pink , Drink Rose' |
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On Fri 02 Sep 2005 02:43:14a, Vilco wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> Mi e' parso che Nola abbia scritto: > >>> They have higher gas mileage cars in Japan too. > >> That is because people in the rest of the world buy fuel >> efficient vehicles, primarily because their gas prices >> have always been high. Here, we have a lot of people who buy >> impractical, gas-guzzling vehicles > > Yep! Actually, I got stunned while reading the mpg figures in > this thread. > My car makes 100Km with about 5 litres of gasoline, driving both > in town and outside town in freeways. In mpg it makes (if 1 US > gallon is 3,79 litres and 1 US mile is 1,6 kilometers) about > 62,15 miles with 1,31 gallons: 47mpg. > And if I drive at 50Kmh (30 - 35 mph) it would consume less than > 4 litres per 100Km, and there are cars who drink less than mine, > too, here in Europe... What kind of car do you have? -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* ____________________________________________ My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four, unless there are three other people. |
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On Fri 02 Sep 2005 12:45:50a, -L. wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote: >> "-L." > wrote in message >> > >> > Really easy solution: Walk, ride a bike or use public trans. >> > Americans make themselves dependant on oil and then bitch when they >> > have to pay for it. Unbelievable. >> >> Not that simple. I have a 26 mile (one way) commute and there is NO >> public transportation available. > > Your choice. > >> Used to be a couple of trains that I could take, but they stopped >> running them after the 1955 flood. > > Move. Change jobs. Change careers. Need I list more options...? > Not remotely realistic. I cannot afford to move, nor the price of housing that would be close enough to make a difference. It took me 2 years to find this job, and I can't afford to give it up. Get serious! -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* ____________________________________________ My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four, unless there are three other people. |
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message > > What really frosts me is seeing the large number of *large* and hi-rise > type pickups with handicap plates! They instead of being frosted, educate yourself. Find out the requirements to have a handicapped plate. Not every disease/handicap is visible, not every disease/handicap will prevent you from driving a pickup or a sports car. Sure, there are abuses, but the vast majority of HP users are justified. Having lung cancer or congestive heart failure will not keep you from driving any particular vehicle. Handicapped person are NOT required to own a twelve year old Reliant. |
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