President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored for his
fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.

And to all you losers who have posted otherwise, may the same be said of you at
the time of your death.

TT

Losers? You must be kidding. He was the king of all right wing
whackos and through his action killed many innocents just like his heir
in the orffice today.

Tootoo1928 wrote:

> President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored for his
> fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.
>
> And to all you losers who have posted otherwise, may the same be said of you at
> the time of your death.
>
> TT

Tootoostoopid1928 blares:

> President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored
for his
> fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.
>
> And to all you losers who have posted otherwise, may the same be said of
you at
> the time of your death.

<PLONK/>

--
Best
Greg

Tootoo1928 > wrote:
> President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored for his
> fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.

> And to all you losers who have posted otherwise, may the same be said of you at
> the time of your death.

You mean you think running up the deficit to the point where every $20 or so
dollars we pay out of $100 in our income taxes to pay off the Reagan deficit
is a good thing? You mean the same man who sent Rumsfeld over to Iraq to
sell Saddam biological and chemical weapons to buy his friendship? You
mean the same man who armed and trained Osama bin Laden is a good president.
Reagan may have been a nice man, but he was certainly a destructive president.

Don't forget the Sandinistas and his gift to us Ollie North another
criminal and friend of Sean Hannity and Limbaugh.

wrote:

> Tootoo1928 > wrote:
>
>>President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored for his
>>fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.
>
>
>>And to all you losers who have posted otherwise, may the same be said of you at
>>the time of your death.
>
>
> You mean you think running up the deficit to the point where every $20 or so
> dollars we pay out of $100 in our income taxes to pay off the Reagan deficit
> is a good thing? You mean the same man who sent Rumsfeld over to Iraq to
> sell Saddam biological and chemical weapons to buy his friendship? You
> mean the same man who armed and trained Osama bin Laden is a good president.
> Reagan may have been a nice man, but he was certainly a destructive president.
>

"Tootoo1928" > wrote in message
...
> President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored
for his
> fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.
>
> And to all you losers who have posted otherwise, may the same be said of
you at
> the time of your death.
>
> TT


Sheesh, he died 25 years ago; this is merely the paperwork.

Jack Manchurian

On 6 Jun 2004 01:19:01 GMT, wrote:

>Tootoo1928 > wrote:
>> President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored for his
>> fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.
>
>> And to all you losers who have posted otherwise, may the same be said of you at
>> the time of your death.
>
>You mean you think running up the deficit to the point where every $20 or so
>dollars we pay out of $100 in our income taxes to pay off the Reagan deficit
>is a good thing? You mean the same man who sent Rumsfeld over to Iraq to
>sell Saddam biological and chemical weapons to buy his friendship? You
>mean the same man who armed and trained Osama bin Laden is a good president.
>Reagan may have been a nice man, but he was certainly a destructive president.


He was a great leader of our nation Stan! No liberal spin can take
away the greatness of this President, Ronald Wilson Reagan! Sure Rummy
dealt with Saddam because he was fighting the Iranians. Remember the
hostages that were taken when Jimmy Carter was President? We were
trying to loosen Ayatollah's grip on Iran at the time. Do you know
what Usama bin Laden was doing with those Stinger missiles we were
sending him? He was shooting down Russian fighter planes in
Afghanistan which was all part of the fall of the evil empire. Ronald
Reagan had those Soviet Dictators convinced that we were developing a
Star Wars missile defense system that would neutralize anything they
could through at us!

The greatest President of all times...Ronald Wilson Reagan!

Bill

The greatest American president was and is President William
Jefferson Clinton. Nothing he ever did in the Whitehouse killed
innocent people.
Regan was a fool and played only to the most wealthy of his friends.

Bill wrote:

> On 6 Jun 2004 01:19:01 GMT, wrote:
>
>
>>Tootoo1928 > wrote:
>>
>>>President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored for his
>>>fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.
>>
>>>And to all you losers who have posted otherwise, may the same be said of you at
>>>the time of your death.
>>
>>You mean you think running up the deficit to the point where every $20 or so
>>dollars we pay out of $100 in our income taxes to pay off the Reagan deficit
>>is a good thing? You mean the same man who sent Rumsfeld over to Iraq to
>>sell Saddam biological and chemical weapons to buy his friendship? You
>>mean the same man who armed and trained Osama bin Laden is a good president.
>>Reagan may have been a nice man, but he was certainly a destructive president.
>
>
>
> He was a great leader of our nation Stan! No liberal spin can take
> away the greatness of this President, Ronald Wilson Reagan! Sure Rummy
> dealt with Saddam because he was fighting the Iranians. Remember the
> hostages that were taken when Jimmy Carter was President? We were
> trying to loosen Ayatollah's grip on Iran at the time. Do you know
> what Usama bin Laden was doing with those Stinger missiles we were
> sending him? He was shooting down Russian fighter planes in
> Afghanistan which was all part of the fall of the evil empire. Ronald
> Reagan had those Soviet Dictators convinced that we were developing a
> Star Wars missile defense system that would neutralize anything they
> could through at us!
>
> The greatest President of all times...Ronald Wilson Reagan!
>
> Bill
>
>

in article , Tootoo1928 at
wrote on 6/5/04 4:42 PM:

> President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored for
> his
> fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.
>
> And to all you losers who have posted otherwise, may the same be said of you
> at
> the time of your death.
>
> TT

Well.....<shaking my head side to side Ronnie style>..............Well,

................there goes the collapse of the Jelly Bean industry.



Good by Howdy Dooty!!

In article >,
(Tootoo1928) wrote:

> President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored
for his
> fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.


Too bad he didn't croak in 1979. I'll **** on his grave.


> And to all you losers who have posted otherwise, may the same be said of
you at
> the time of your death.

Why how thoughtful of you!

--
Stella Hackell

She who succeeds in gaining the mastery of the bicycle will gain the
mastery of life.
--Frances E. Willard, _How I Learned to Ride the Bicycle_

"Dolkian" > wrote in message
...
> The greatest American president was and is President William
> Jefferson Clinton. Nothing he ever did in the Whitehouse killed
> innocent people.
>
Clinton/Reno Short List
1: Waco ( mostly under 12 years old )
2: Mena
3: Sudan
4: Miami
5: Serbia (2000+)
6: Kosovo
7: Afghanistan

"Dolkian" > wrote in message
...
> Losers? You must be kidding. He was the king of all right wing
> whackos and through his action killed many innocents just like his heir
> in the orffice today.
>

I note you liberals have so much to compare him to, like Carter and Clinton.

"Dolkian" wrote...
> The greatest American president was and is President William
> Jefferson Clinton. Nothing he ever did in the Whitehouse killed
> innocent people.

OK, back under Bill's desk.

"Bill" > wrote in message
...
> On 6 Jun 2004 01:19:01 GMT, wrote:
>
> >Tootoo1928 > wrote:
> >> President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored
for his
> >> fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.
> >
> >> And to all you losers who have posted otherwise, may the same be said
of you at
> >> the time of your death.
> >
> >You mean you think running up the deficit to the point where every $20 or
so
> >dollars we pay out of $100 in our income taxes to pay off the Reagan
deficit
> >is a good thing? You mean the same man who sent Rumsfeld over to Iraq to
> >sell Saddam biological and chemical weapons to buy his friendship? You
> >mean the same man who armed and trained Osama bin Laden is a good
president.
> >Reagan may have been a nice man, but he was certainly a destructive
president.
>
>
> He was a great leader of our nation Stan! No liberal spin can take
> away the greatness of this President, Ronald Wilson Reagan! Sure Rummy
> dealt with Saddam because he was fighting the Iranians. Remember the
> hostages that were taken when Jimmy Carter was President? We were
> trying to loosen Ayatollah's grip on Iran at the time. Do you know
> what Usama bin Laden was doing with those Stinger missiles we were
> sending him? He was shooting down Russian fighter planes in
> Afghanistan which was all part of the fall of the evil empire. Ronald
> Reagan had those Soviet Dictators convinced that we were developing a
> Star Wars missile defense system that would neutralize anything they
> could through at us!
>
> The greatest President of all times...Ronald Wilson Reagan!

My condolences about the death of your brain. Of course, given that you
believed the sappy tripe that Ronnie Ray-gun spewed, it has likely been dead
for many years.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 20:03:54 -0700, Dolkian > wrote:

> The greatest American president was and is President William
>Jefferson Clinton. Nothing he ever did in the Whitehouse killed
>innocent people.

Man you really have to start reading some history.
Pan Ohco

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 03:07:35 GMT, (Stella Hackell)
wrote:

>In article >,
(Tootoo1928) wrote:
>
>> President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored
>for his
>> fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.
>
>
>Too bad he didn't croak in 1979. I'll **** on his grave.


Damn, what did he do to **** you off Stella? Where are you Stella? The
People's Republic of Colliefournya by chance?

Bill

In article m>, BubbaBob
> wrote:

> (Stella Hackell) wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > (Tootoo1928) wrote:
> >
> >> President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be
> >> honored for his fine character and record. And condolences to
> >> his brave wife, Nancy.
> >
> >
> > Too bad he didn't croak in 1979. I'll **** on his grave.
> >
> >
>
>
> May I join you?

Sure, but I hope you don't mind waiting in a very long line.

--
Stella Hackell

She who succeeds in gaining the mastery of the bicycle will gain the
mastery of life.
--Frances E. Willard, _How I Learned to Ride the Bicycle_

Do you want a list of the hundreds of thousands killed by both Bush
groups and their best friends.
Clinton For President

Mr. Wizard wrote:

> "Dolkian" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> The greatest American president was and is President William
>>Jefferson Clinton. Nothing he ever did in the Whitehouse killed
>>innocent people.
>>
>
> Clinton/Reno Short List
> 1: Waco ( mostly under 12 years old )
> 2: Mena
> 3: Sudan
> 4: Miami
> 5: Serbia (2000+)
> 6: Kosovo
> 7: Afghanistan
>
>

President Carter and President Clinton. Two of the greatest
presidents who have ever lived.
If you like this new social planning such as removing Medicare,
removing veterans benefits and inflation you will adore the next four years.

Kswck wrote:

> "Dolkian" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Losers? You must be kidding. He was the king of all right wing
>>whackos and through his action killed many innocents just like his heir
>>in the orffice today.
>>
>
>
> I note you liberals have so much to compare him to, like Carter and Clinton.
>
>

It would indeed be my pleasure.
I am so glad the old ******* is dead it should have happened 90 years
ago. He was just another chicken hawk like his heir in office now.

CaptCook wrote:

> "Dolkian" wrote...
>
>> The greatest American president was and is President William
>>Jefferson Clinton. Nothing he ever did in the Whitehouse killed
>>innocent people.
>
>
> OK, back under Bill's desk.
>
>

You obviously can't read nor have no ability to understand history.
A big time war criminal is dead!!!

Peter Aitken wrote:

> "Bill" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On 6 Jun 2004 01:19:01 GMT, wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Tootoo1928 > wrote:
>>>
>>>>President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored
>
> for his
>
>>>>fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.
>>>
>>>>And to all you losers who have posted otherwise, may the same be said
>
> of you at
>
>>>>the time of your death.
>>>
>>>You mean you think running up the deficit to the point where every $20 or
>
> so
>
>>>dollars we pay out of $100 in our income taxes to pay off the Reagan
>
> deficit
>
>>>is a good thing? You mean the same man who sent Rumsfeld over to Iraq to
>>>sell Saddam biological and chemical weapons to buy his friendship? You
>>>mean the same man who armed and trained Osama bin Laden is a good
>
> president.
>
>>>Reagan may have been a nice man, but he was certainly a destructive
>
> president.
>
>>
>>He was a great leader of our nation Stan! No liberal spin can take
>>away the greatness of this President, Ronald Wilson Reagan! Sure Rummy
>>dealt with Saddam because he was fighting the Iranians. Remember the
>>hostages that were taken when Jimmy Carter was President? We were
>>trying to loosen Ayatollah's grip on Iran at the time. Do you know
>>what Usama bin Laden was doing with those Stinger missiles we were
>>sending him? He was shooting down Russian fighter planes in
>>Afghanistan which was all part of the fall of the evil empire. Ronald
>>Reagan had those Soviet Dictators convinced that we were developing a
>>Star Wars missile defense system that would neutralize anything they
>>could through at us!
>>
>>The greatest President of all times...Ronald Wilson Reagan!
>
>
> My condolences about the death of your brain. Of course, given that you
> believed the sappy tripe that Ronnie Ray-gun spewed, it has likely been dead
> for many years.
>
>

Kswck > wrote:

> "Dolkian" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Losers? You must be kidding. He was the king of all right wing
>> whackos and through his action killed many innocents just like his heir
>> in the orffice today.
>>

> I note you liberals have so much to compare him to, like Carter and Clinton.

Clinton? You can spin it all you want, but Clinton presided over the
country during its longest run of economic prosprity.

Carter? A lousy president, but superb humanitarian in his retirement.

In article >, > wrote:

> Kswck > wrote:
>
> > "Dolkian" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Losers? You must be kidding. He was the king of all right wing
> >> whackos and through his action killed many innocents just like his heir
> >> in the orffice today.
> >>
>
> > I note you liberals have so much to compare him to, like Carter and Clinton.
>
> Clinton? You can spin it all you want, but Clinton presided over the
> country during its longest run of economic prosprity.
>
> Carter? A lousy president, but superb humanitarian in his retirement.

It was the country that was lousy during Carter's presidency. As a
nation we seem to alternate between lousy and stupid. We were both
during Clinton's two terms.

snip> >
>
>
> May I join you?

right behind me.

daveR

On 06/06/2004 8:40 PM, in article ,
" > opined:

> Kswck > wrote:
>
>> "Dolkian" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Losers? You must be kidding. He was the king of all right wing
>>> whackos and through his action killed many innocents just like his heir
>>> in the orffice today.
>>>
>
>> I note you liberals have so much to compare him to, like Carter and Clinton.
>
> Clinton? You can spin it all you want, but Clinton presided over the
> country during its longest run of economic prosprity.

Yup, junk bonds r us.
>
> Carter? A lousy president, but superb humanitarian in his retirement.

How about superb seditious traitor. Carter was the first to break unwritten
protocol that x prez keep their mouths shut!

--
================================================== =============
I love cooking with wine, sometimes I even put it in the food.
================================================== =============

All the conservatives have to gloat about is their ability to make
hands full of money off the backs of the poor and downtrodden.

wrote:

> Kswck > wrote:
>
>
>>"Dolkian" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>> Losers? You must be kidding. He was the king of all right wing
>>>whackos and through his action killed many innocents just like his heir
>>>in the orffice today.
>>>
>
>
>>I note you liberals have so much to compare him to, like Carter and Clinton.
>
>
> Clinton? You can spin it all you want, but Clinton presided over the
> country during its longest run of economic prosprity.
>
> Carter? A lousy president, but superb humanitarian in his retirement.

You people have never had it so good as when President Clinton led
the U.S. You were prosperous, had a great outlook and now you have poverty,
people on the street begging and no health care. You have medical drugs
that no one can afford. Good going with your current Chimp in Chief.

stark wrote:

> In article >, > wrote:
>
>
>>Kswck > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Dolkian" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>> Losers? You must be kidding. He was the king of all right wing
>>>>whackos and through his action killed many innocents just like his heir
>>>>in the orffice today.
>>>>
>>
>>>I note you liberals have so much to compare him to, like Carter and Clinton.
>>
>>Clinton? You can spin it all you want, but Clinton presided over the
>>country during its longest run of economic prosprity.
>>
>>Carter? A lousy president, but superb humanitarian in his retirement.
>
>
> It was the country that was lousy during Carter's presidency. As a
> nation we seem to alternate between lousy and stupid. We were both
> during Clinton's two terms.

Bill > wrote in message >. ..
> On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 03:07:35 GMT, (Stella Hackell)
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> (Tootoo1928) wrote:
> >
> >> President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored
> for his
> >> fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.
> >
> >
> >Too bad he didn't croak in 1979. I'll **** on his grave.
>
>
> Damn, what did he do to **** you off Stella? Where are you Stella? The
> People's Republic of Colliefournya by chance?


That would be the state that elected Reagan governer twice, and that
was represented in Congress by Richard Nixon. California has more to
it than Hollywood and San Francisco, though you wouldn't know it by
what's shown on TV.


Stella

There are no rules that any veep keep his mouth shut. We especially
appreciate Vice President Gore's speaking the truth even at this very
moment.
President Carter was not only a real Christian who practiced his
religion he was a graduate of the United States Naval Academy and served
in the Navy. None of these hawks who are running the war today and
killing thousands ever served in any capacity other than to run away
after giving their oaths to serve.

The Wolf wrote:

> On 06/06/2004 8:40 PM, in article ,
> " > opined:
>
>
>>Kswck > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Dolkian" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>> Losers? You must be kidding. He was the king of all right wing
>>>>whackos and through his action killed many innocents just like his heir
>>>>in the orffice today.
>>>>
>>
>>>I note you liberals have so much to compare him to, like Carter and Clinton.
>>
>>Clinton? You can spin it all you want, but Clinton presided over the
>>country during its longest run of economic prosprity.
>
>
> Yup, junk bonds r us.
>
>>Carter? A lousy president, but superb humanitarian in his retirement.
>
>
> How about superb seditious traitor. Carter was the first to break unwritten
> protocol that x prez keep their mouths shut!
>

"DaveR" > wrote in message >...
> snip> >
> >
> >
> > May I join you?
>
> right behind me.
>
> daveR


Be patient. It'll be a while until all the dancing is finished.

Ronald Reagan is dead now, and everyone is being nice to him. In
every aspect, this is appropriate. He was a husband and a father, a
beloved member of a family, and he will be missed by those he was
close to. His death was long, slow and agonizing because of the
Alzheimer's Disease which ruined him, one drop of lucidity at a
time. My grandmother died ten years ago almost to the day because of
this disease, and this disease took ten years to do its dirty,
filthy, wretched work on her.
The dignity and candor of Reagan's farewell letter to the
American people was as magnificent a departure from public life as
any that has been seen in our history, but the ugly truth of his
illness was that he lived on, and on, and on. His family and friends
watched as he faded from the world of the real, as the simple
dignity afforded to all life collapsed like loose sand behind his
ever more vacant eyes. Only those who have seen Alzheimer's Disease
invade a mind can know the truth of this. It is a cursed way to die.

In this mourning space, however, there must be room made for the
truth. Writer Edward Abbey once said, "The sneakiest form of
literary subtlety, in a corrupt society, is to speak the plain
truth. The critics will not understand you; the public will not
believe you; your fellow writers will shake their heads."

The truth is straightforward: Virtually every significant
problem facing the American people today can be traced back to the
policies and people that came from the Reagan administration. It is
a laundry list of ills, woes and disasters that has all of us, once
again, staring apocalypse in the eye.

How can this be? The television says Ronald Reagan was one of
the most beloved Presidents of the 20th century. He won two national
elections, the second by a margin so overwhelming that all future
landslides will be judged by the high-water mark he achieved against
Walter Mondale. How can a man so universally respected have played a
hand in the evils which corrupt our days?

The answer lies in the reality of the corrupt society Abbey
spoke of. Our corruption is the absolute triumph of image over
reality, of flash over substance, of the pervasive need within most
Americans to believe in a happy-face version of the nation they call
home, and to spurn the reality of our estate as unpatriotic. Ronald
Reagan was, and will always be, the undisputed heavyweight champion
of salesmen in this regard.

Reagan was able, by virtue of his towering talents in this
arena, to sell to the American people a flood of poisonous policies.
He made Americans feel good about acting against their own best
interests. He sold the American people a lemon, and they drive it to
this day as if it was a Cadillac. It isn't the lies that kill us,
but the myths, and Ronald Reagan was the greatest myth-maker we are
ever likely to see.

Mainstream media journalism today is a shameful joke because of
Reagan's deregulation policies. Once upon a time, the Fairness
Doctrine ensured that the information we receive - information vital
to the ability of the people to govern in the manner intended - came
from a wide variety of sources and perspectives. Reagan's policies
annihilated the Fairness Doctrine, opening the door for a few
mega-corporations to gather journalism unto themselves. Today,
Reagan's old bosses at General Electric own three of the
most-watched news channels. This company profits from every war we
fight, but somehow is trusted to tell the truths of war. Thus, the
myths are sold to us.

The deregulation policies of Ronald Reagan did not just deliver
journalism to these massive corporations, but handed virtually every
facet of our lives into the hands of this privileged few. The air we
breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat are all tainted because
Reagan battered down every environmental regulation he came across
so corporations could improve their bottom line. Our leaders are
wholly-owned subsidiaries of the corporations that were made
all-powerful by Reagan's deregulation craze. The Savings and Loan
scandal of Reagan's time, which cost the American people hundreds of
billions of dollars, is but one example of Reagan's decision that
the foxes would be fine guards in the henhouse.

Ronald Reagan believed in small government, despite the fact
that he grew government massively during his time. Social programs
which protected the weakest of our citizens were gutted by Reagan's
policies, delivering millions into despair. Reagan was able to do
this by caricaturing the "welfare queen," who punched out babies by
the barnload, who drove the flashy car bought with your tax dollars,
who refused to work because she didn't have to. This was a vicious,
racist lie, one result of which was the decimation of a generation
by crack cocaine. The urban poor were left to rot because Ronald
Reagan believed in 'self-sufficiency.'

Because Ronald Reagan could not be bothered to fund research
into '*** cancer,' the AIDS virus was allowed to carve out a
comfortable home in America. The aftershocks from this callous
disregard for people whose homosexuality was deemed evil by
religious conservatives cannot be overstated. Beyond the graves of
those who died from a disease which was allowed to burn unchecked,
there are generations of Americans today living with the
subconscious idea that sex equals death.

The veneer of honor and respect painted across the legacy of
Ronald Reagan is itself a myth of biblical proportions. The coverage
proffered today of the Reagan legacy seldom mentions impropriety
until the Iran/Contra scandal appears on the administration
timeline. This sin of omission is vast. By the end of his term in
office, some 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted,
indicted or investigated for misconduct and/or criminal activities.

Some of the names on this disgraceful roll-call: Oliver North,
John Poindexter, Richard Secord, Casper Weinberger, Elliott Abrams,
Robert C. McFarlane, Michael Deaver, E. Bob Wallach, James Watt,
Alan D. Fiers, Clair George, Duane R. Clarridge, Anne Gorscuh
Burford, Rita Lavelle, Richard Allen, Richard Beggs, Guy Flake,
Louis Glutfrida, Edwin Gray, Max Hugel, Carlos Campbell, John
Fedders, Arthur Hayes, J. Lynn Helms, Marjory Mecklenburg, Robert
Nimmo, J. William Petro, Thomas C. Reed, Emanuel Savas, Charles
Wick. Many of these names are lost to history, but more than a few
of them are still with us today, 'rehabilitated' by the
administration of George W. Bush.

Ronald Reagan actively supported the regimes of the worst people
ever to walk the earth. Names like Marcos, Duarte, Rios Mont and
Duvalier reek of blood and corruption, yet were embraced by the
Reagan administration with passionate intensity. The ground of many
nations is salted with the bones of those murdered by brutal rulers
who called Reagan a friend. Who can forget his support of those in
South Africa who believed apartheid was the proper way to run a
civilized society?

One dictator in particular looms large across our landscape.
Saddam Hussein was a creation of Ronald Reagan. The Reagan
administration supported the Hussein regime despite his incredible
record of atrocity. The Reagan administration gave Hussein
intelligence information which helped the Iraqi military use their
chemical weapons on the battlefield against Iran to great effect.
The deadly bacterial agents sent to Iraq during the Reagan
administration are a laundry list of horrors.

The Reagan administration sent an emissary named Donald Rumsfeld
to Iraq to shake Saddam Hussein's hand and assure him that, despite
public American condemnation of the use of those chemical weapons,
the Reagan administration still considered him a welcome friend and
ally. This happened while the Reagan administration was selling
weapons to Iran, a nation notorious for its support of international
terrorism, in secret and in violation of scores of laws.

Another name on Ronald Reagan's roll call is that of Osama bin
Laden. The Reagan administration believed it a bully idea to
organize an army of Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan to fight
the Soviet Union. bin Laden became the spiritual leader of this
action. Throughout the entirety of Reagan's term, bin Laden and his
people were armed, funded and trained by the United States. Reagan
helped teach Osama bin Laden the lesson he lives by today, that it
is possible to bring a superpower to its knees. bin Laden believes
this because he has done it once before, thanks to the dedicated
help of Ronald Reagan.

In 1998, two American embassies in Africa were blasted into
rubble by Osama bin Laden, who used the Semtex sent to Afghanistan
by the Reagan administration to do the job. In 2001, Osama bin Laden
thrust a dagger into the heart of the United States, using men who
became skilled at the art of terrorism with the help of Ronald
Reagan. Today, there are 827 American soldiers and over 10,000
civilians who have died in the invasion and occupation of Iraq, a
war that came to be because Reagan helped manufacture both Saddam
Hussein and Osama bin Laden.

How much of this can be truthfully laid at the feet of Ronald
Reagan? It depends on who you ask. Those who worship Reagan see him
as the man in charge, the man who defeated Soviet communism, the man
whose vision and charisma made Americans feel good about themselves
after Vietnam and the malaise of the 1970s. Those who despise Reagan
see him as nothing more than a pitch-man for corporate raiders, the
man who allowed greed to become a virtue, the man who smiled vapidly
while allowing his officials to run the government for him.

In the final analysis, however, the legacy of Ronald Reagan -
whether he had an active hand in its formulation, or was merely
along for the ride - is beyond dispute. His famous question, "Are
you better off now than you were four years ago?" is easy to answer.
We are not better off than we were four years ago, or eight years
ago, or twelve, or twenty. We are a badly damaged state, ruled today
by a man who subsists off Reagan's most corrosive final gift to us
all: It is the image that matters, and be damned to the truth.



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> wrote:

> Kswck > wrote:
>
> > "Dolkian" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Losers? You must be kidding. He was the king of all right wing
> >> whackos and through his action killed many innocents just like his heir
> >> in the orffice today.
> >>
>
> > I note you liberals have so much to compare him to, like Carter and
Clinton.
>
> Clinton? You can spin it all you want, but Clinton presided over the
> country during its longest run of economic prosprity.
>
> Carter? A lousy president, but superb humanitarian in his retirement.

One thing that I think speaks volumes about a person/family is how their
kids eventually turn out. The Carters and the Clintons both raised fine
daughters who would make any parent proud...you can talk about their
failures and shortcomings in other areas, but they instilled a good set of
values in their children.

Conversely, look at the messes the Reagans turned out - despite all the
money and advantages and connections that Patti, Ron Jr., and Michael had of
which to avail themselves, they haven't accomplished much in life (what
little they've done has been by riding the coattails of their parents'
fame...) and if their parents weren't the well - placed Reagans, they'd be
even bigger losers than they are....

Maureen (RIP) was the only one who seemed to have a somewhat fulfilling
life...

[Of course you can say this about the Kennedy's or even FDR's kids, too...it
crosses all political lines....]

--
Best
Greg

Don't forget the spitting and peeing on the grave...I have my inline
tickets to participate.

Stele wrote:

> "DaveR" > wrote in message >...
>
>>snip> >
>>
>>>
>>>May I join you?
>>
>>right behind me.
>>
>>daveR
>
>
>
> Be patient. It'll be a while until all the dancing is finished.

Raygun was only beloved by those that got wealthier under his regimen.
There is nothing good to be said about this criminal and destroyer of
the U.S.

rosie read and post wrote:

> Ronald Reagan is dead now, and everyone is being nice to him. In
> every aspect, this is appropriate. He was a husband and a father, a
> beloved member of a family, and he will be missed by those he was
> close to. His death was long, slow and agonizing because of the
> Alzheimer's Disease which ruined him, one drop of lucidity at a
> time. My grandmother died ten years ago almost to the day because of
> this disease, and this disease took ten years to do its dirty,
> filthy, wretched work on her.
> The dignity and candor of Reagan's farewell letter to the
> American people was as magnificent a departure from public life as
> any that has been seen in our history, but the ugly truth of his
> illness was that he lived on, and on, and on. His family and friends
> watched as he faded from the world of the real, as the simple
> dignity afforded to all life collapsed like loose sand behind his
> ever more vacant eyes. Only those who have seen Alzheimer's Disease
> invade a mind can know the truth of this. It is a cursed way to die.
>
> In this mourning space, however, there must be room made for the
> truth. Writer Edward Abbey once said, "The sneakiest form of
> literary subtlety, in a corrupt society, is to speak the plain
> truth. The critics will not understand you; the public will not
> believe you; your fellow writers will shake their heads."
>
> The truth is straightforward: Virtually every significant
> problem facing the American people today can be traced back to the
> policies and people that came from the Reagan administration. It is
> a laundry list of ills, woes and disasters that has all of us, once
> again, staring apocalypse in the eye.
>
> How can this be? The television says Ronald Reagan was one of
> the most beloved Presidents of the 20th century. He won two national
> elections, the second by a margin so overwhelming that all future
> landslides will be judged by the high-water mark he achieved against
> Walter Mondale. How can a man so universally respected have played a
> hand in the evils which corrupt our days?
>
> The answer lies in the reality of the corrupt society Abbey
> spoke of. Our corruption is the absolute triumph of image over
> reality, of flash over substance, of the pervasive need within most
> Americans to believe in a happy-face version of the nation they call
> home, and to spurn the reality of our estate as unpatriotic. Ronald
> Reagan was, and will always be, the undisputed heavyweight champion
> of salesmen in this regard.
>
> Reagan was able, by virtue of his towering talents in this
> arena, to sell to the American people a flood of poisonous policies.
> He made Americans feel good about acting against their own best
> interests. He sold the American people a lemon, and they drive it to
> this day as if it was a Cadillac. It isn't the lies that kill us,
> but the myths, and Ronald Reagan was the greatest myth-maker we are
> ever likely to see.
>
> Mainstream media journalism today is a shameful joke because of
> Reagan's deregulation policies. Once upon a time, the Fairness
> Doctrine ensured that the information we receive - information vital
> to the ability of the people to govern in the manner intended - came
> from a wide variety of sources and perspectives. Reagan's policies
> annihilated the Fairness Doctrine, opening the door for a few
> mega-corporations to gather journalism unto themselves. Today,
> Reagan's old bosses at General Electric own three of the
> most-watched news channels. This company profits from every war we
> fight, but somehow is trusted to tell the truths of war. Thus, the
> myths are sold to us.
>
> The deregulation policies of Ronald Reagan did not just deliver
> journalism to these massive corporations, but handed virtually every
> facet of our lives into the hands of this privileged few. The air we
> breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat are all tainted because
> Reagan battered down every environmental regulation he came across
> so corporations could improve their bottom line. Our leaders are
> wholly-owned subsidiaries of the corporations that were made
> all-powerful by Reagan's deregulation craze. The Savings and Loan
> scandal of Reagan's time, which cost the American people hundreds of
> billions of dollars, is but one example of Reagan's decision that
> the foxes would be fine guards in the henhouse.
>
> Ronald Reagan believed in small government, despite the fact
> that he grew government massively during his time. Social programs
> which protected the weakest of our citizens were gutted by Reagan's
> policies, delivering millions into despair. Reagan was able to do
> this by caricaturing the "welfare queen," who punched out babies by
> the barnload, who drove the flashy car bought with your tax dollars,
> who refused to work because she didn't have to. This was a vicious,
> racist lie, one result of which was the decimation of a generation
> by crack cocaine. The urban poor were left to rot because Ronald
> Reagan believed in 'self-sufficiency.'
>
> Because Ronald Reagan could not be bothered to fund research
> into '*** cancer,' the AIDS virus was allowed to carve out a
> comfortable home in America. The aftershocks from this callous
> disregard for people whose homosexuality was deemed evil by
> religious conservatives cannot be overstated. Beyond the graves of
> those who died from a disease which was allowed to burn unchecked,
> there are generations of Americans today living with the
> subconscious idea that sex equals death.
>
> The veneer of honor and respect painted across the legacy of
> Ronald Reagan is itself a myth of biblical proportions. The coverage
> proffered today of the Reagan legacy seldom mentions impropriety
> until the Iran/Contra scandal appears on the administration
> timeline. This sin of omission is vast. By the end of his term in
> office, some 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted,
> indicted or investigated for misconduct and/or criminal activities.
>
> Some of the names on this disgraceful roll-call: Oliver North,
> John Poindexter, Richard Secord, Casper Weinberger, Elliott Abrams,
> Robert C. McFarlane, Michael Deaver, E. Bob Wallach, James Watt,
> Alan D. Fiers, Clair George, Duane R. Clarridge, Anne Gorscuh
> Burford, Rita Lavelle, Richard Allen, Richard Beggs, Guy Flake,
> Louis Glutfrida, Edwin Gray, Max Hugel, Carlos Campbell, John
> Fedders, Arthur Hayes, J. Lynn Helms, Marjory Mecklenburg, Robert
> Nimmo, J. William Petro, Thomas C. Reed, Emanuel Savas, Charles
> Wick. Many of these names are lost to history, but more than a few
> of them are still with us today, 'rehabilitated' by the
> administration of George W. Bush.
>
> Ronald Reagan actively supported the regimes of the worst people
> ever to walk the earth. Names like Marcos, Duarte, Rios Mont and
> Duvalier reek of blood and corruption, yet were embraced by the
> Reagan administration with passionate intensity. The ground of many
> nations is salted with the bones of those murdered by brutal rulers
> who called Reagan a friend. Who can forget his support of those in
> South Africa who believed apartheid was the proper way to run a
> civilized society?
>
> One dictator in particular looms large across our landscape.
> Saddam Hussein was a creation of Ronald Reagan. The Reagan
> administration supported the Hussein regime despite his incredible
> record of atrocity. The Reagan administration gave Hussein
> intelligence information which helped the Iraqi military use their
> chemical weapons on the battlefield against Iran to great effect.
> The deadly bacterial agents sent to Iraq during the Reagan
> administration are a laundry list of horrors.
>
> The Reagan administration sent an emissary named Donald Rumsfeld
> to Iraq to shake Saddam Hussein's hand and assure him that, despite
> public American condemnation of the use of those chemical weapons,
> the Reagan administration still considered him a welcome friend and
> ally. This happened while the Reagan administration was selling
> weapons to Iran, a nation notorious for its support of international
> terrorism, in secret and in violation of scores of laws.
>
> Another name on Ronald Reagan's roll call is that of Osama bin
> Laden. The Reagan administration believed it a bully idea to
> organize an army of Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan to fight
> the Soviet Union. bin Laden became the spiritual leader of this
> action. Throughout the entirety of Reagan's term, bin Laden and his
> people were armed, funded and trained by the United States. Reagan
> helped teach Osama bin Laden the lesson he lives by today, that it
> is possible to bring a superpower to its knees. bin Laden believes
> this because he has done it once before, thanks to the dedicated
> help of Ronald Reagan.
>
> In 1998, two American embassies in Africa were blasted into
> rubble by Osama bin Laden, who used the Semtex sent to Afghanistan
> by the Reagan administration to do the job. In 2001, Osama bin Laden
> thrust a dagger into the heart of the United States, using men who
> became skilled at the art of terrorism with the help of Ronald
> Reagan. Today, there are 827 American soldiers and over 10,000
> civilians who have died in the invasion and occupation of Iraq, a
> war that came to be because Reagan helped manufacture both Saddam
> Hussein and Osama bin Laden.
>
> How much of this can be truthfully laid at the feet of Ronald
> Reagan? It depends on who you ask. Those who worship Reagan see him
> as the man in charge, the man who defeated Soviet communism, the man
> whose vision and charisma made Americans feel good about themselves
> after Vietnam and the malaise of the 1970s. Those who despise Reagan
> see him as nothing more than a pitch-man for corporate raiders, the
> man who allowed greed to become a virtue, the man who smiled vapidly
> while allowing his officials to run the government for him.
>
> In the final analysis, however, the legacy of Ronald Reagan -
> whether he had an active hand in its formulation, or was merely
> along for the ride - is beyond dispute. His famous question, "Are
> you better off now than you were four years ago?" is easy to answer.
> We are not better off than we were four years ago, or eight years
> ago, or twelve, or twenty. We are a badly damaged state, ruled today
> by a man who subsists off Reagan's most corrosive final gift to us
> all: It is the image that matters, and be damned to the truth.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> William Rivers Pitt is the senior editor and lead writer for t r
> u t h o u t. He is a New York Times and international bestselling
> author of two books - 'War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You
> to Know' and 'The Greatest Sedition is Silence.
>
>

Your evaluation is more than valid. It is the parents that guide the
child or children. Dope smoking and using alcoholic parents don't
usually produce brilliant children. And it does cross all groups.

Gregory Morrow wrote:

> > wrote:
>
>
>>Kswck > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Dolkian" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>> Losers? You must be kidding. He was the king of all right wing
>>>>whackos and through his action killed many innocents just like his heir
>>>>in the orffice today.
>>>>
>>
>>>I note you liberals have so much to compare him to, like Carter and
>
> Clinton.
>
>>Clinton? You can spin it all you want, but Clinton presided over the
>>country during its longest run of economic prosprity.
>>
>>Carter? A lousy president, but superb humanitarian in his retirement.
>
>
> One thing that I think speaks volumes about a person/family is how their
> kids eventually turn out. The Carters and the Clintons both raised fine
> daughters who would make any parent proud...you can talk about their
> failures and shortcomings in other areas, but they instilled a good set of
> values in their children.
>
> Conversely, look at the messes the Reagans turned out - despite all the
> money and advantages and connections that Patti, Ron Jr., and Michael had of
> which to avail themselves, they haven't accomplished much in life (what
> little they've done has been by riding the coattails of their parents'
> fame...) and if their parents weren't the well - placed Reagans, they'd be
> even bigger losers than they are....
>
> Maureen (RIP) was the only one who seemed to have a somewhat fulfilling
> life...
>
> [Of course you can say this about the Kennedy's or even FDR's kids, too...it
> crosses all political lines....]
>

"Dolkian" > wrote in message
...
> President Carter and President Clinton. Two of the greatest
> presidents who have ever lived.
> If you like this new social planning such as removing Medicare,
> removing veterans benefits and inflation you will adore the next four
years.
>

Jimmy Carter was interviewed on 60 minutes a few years ago and he was asked
if he considered his presidency a failure. He responded 'YES'. He left
office w/hostages in Iran and a 20% inflation rate.

So tell me again how great he was again?

"Dolkian" > wrote in message
...
> President Carter and President Clinton. Two of the greatest
> presidents who have ever lived.
> If you like this new social planning such as removing Medicare,
> removing veterans benefits and inflation you will adore the next four
years.
>


Ah, yes Clinton. From the wildly popular president who gave us all 8 years
of prosperity and huge profits in the market.
Tell that the people of Enron, Worldcom, etc who lost their life savings

"Dolkian" > wrote in message
...
> There are no rules that any veep keep his mouth shut. We especially
> appreciate Vice President Gore's speaking the truth even at this very
> moment.

"I invented the internet." <sound familiar?>

> President Carter was not only a real Christian who practiced his
> religion he was a graduate of the United States Naval Academy and served
> in the Navy. None of these hawks who are running the war today and
> killing thousands ever served in any capacity other than to run away
> after giving their oaths to serve.
>

What branch of the service did Clinton serve in?

In article >, jack-
says...
>
> "Tootoo1928" > wrote in message
> ...
> > President Reagan will be greatly missed and well deserves to be honored
> for his
> > fine character and record. And condolences to his brave wife, Nancy.
> >
> > And to all you losers who have posted otherwise, may the same be said of
> you at
> > the time of your death.
> >
> > TT
>
>
> Sheesh, he died 25 years ago; this is merely the paperwork.
>
> Jack Manchurian
>
>
>
LOL!! In your typical succinct style, you've said it all, Jack.
--
Donna
A pessimist believes all women are bad. An optimist hopes they are.

Kswck > wrote:
>
>Jimmy Carter was interviewed on 60 minutes a few years ago and he was asked
>if he considered his presidency a failure. He responded 'YES'. He left
>office w/hostages in Iran and a 20% inflation rate.
>
>So tell me again how great he was again?

He was able to admit his mistakes.

--Blair
"Of course, the former of those turned out
to have been the direct result of treason
by his replacement..."