~patches~ wrote:
> Goomba38 wrote:
>
> > ~patches~ wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I mentioned I have severe allergies combined with severe asthma.

I bet you don't have Asthma or Allergies... adult onset asthma is
actually a mild form of CF (Cystic Fibrosis)... as folks are living
longer it's becoming more prevalent.

> > Your immune system works best when challenged with things that force it
> > to keep strong. Overly sanitizing ones environment is thought to cause
> > more harm to the immune system than good. You just recently wrote about
> > tossing out wooden utensils because they couldn't be "sterilized" yet
> > there is NO evidence anyone has ever become sick from one. Perhaps
> > you've made your own immune system lazy?
> > Goomba
>
> I doubt I have made my immune system lazy but I do blame my parents.

Adult onset asthma (a misnomer) is passed down genetically, you can't
contract it any other way... but I'm sure your parents were not aware
nor could they do anything about it... genetic research is happening
now but it may be quite a few years... 'bout all you can do is treat
the symtoms, which are very much like those of asthma with chronic
bronchitis.

> As far as the wooden utensils, I'd rather not use them simply
> because you cannot be sure they are cleaned properly.

So next time you're at the doctor refuse the tongue depressor... of
course wood can be sterilized, boil it, that's how wooden medical
implements are steriled... everytime you stir a pot that's cooking your
wooden spoon gets sterilized... which is why it's not all that critical
to scrub pots squeaky clean, clean and shiney doesn't mean sterile,
even dirt can be sterile... but once it's heated to cooking
temperatures cookware becomes sterilzed rather quickly. But I don't
know why folks at home would want to bother, nothing else in their
kitchen is sterile... clean, but clean is not sterile... none of your
dishes and flatware is sterile, none of the foods in your fridge are
sterile.... you think that hunk of cheese is sterile... your fridge
ain't sterile. If you're that obsessed with sterile you have a mental
disorder.

Sheldon

~patches~ wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun 25 Sep 2005 12:04:56p, ~patches~ wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>
>>> zxcvbob wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> No one in this thread seems to understand the difference between
>>>> considerately making allowances for people with food allergies
>>>> versus having that person insist that everybody make special
>>>> allowances.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry that you have a peanut allergy (or whatever) and if I know
>>>> about it, I will try to be accommodating. But it's *your* problem
>>>> and responsibility, not mine. Society doesn't owe you anything, and
>>>> neither do I.
>>>>
>>>> -Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> I understand my allergies are my problem but if you knowningly put me
>>> at danger what does that make you? I'm not asking society to give me
>>> anything but if society purposely puts me at risk then what? Why do
>>> we have the anit-smoking, DUIm or other laws? They put others at
>>> risk, do they not? We are talking about lives here not some willy
>>> nilly pie in the sky thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it's at this point that I need my own island where I can
>> smoke, drink, eat peanut butter, and any other damn thing that others
>> may not be able to. Those people, of course, would NOT be welcome
>> there except at their own perceived risk.
>
>
> You know I was willing to give to a benefit of a doubt before yoy said
> *perceivd risk*
>
>>
>> I'm sorry you have asthma and allergies, patches, but it's your
>> problem not mine, and I own no responsibility for your well-being.
>>
> No you have no reponsibility in my well being. Whether you ultimately
> cause my death if we should ever meet is on your shoulders not mine.
> Like I would care since I'm dead but you know just what my family would
> and you may find yourself living in a box somewhere. Lawsuits can be
> quite devestating so I've been told. Hell you post here about your
> diabetes like that is any of our problems? Why the heck should we help
> someone like you when you fail to show compassion to others with equally
> serious problems. It's not like your diabetes is anyone's problem here,
> deal with it! How someone could be as callous as you is beyond me but
> we have conversed enough. Now if you would like me to direct you to an
> island no problem otherwise you will join your cohert. May you both
> have a safe journey through life. At any rate I've heard enough from
> you both very selfish individuals. BTW, my mom was diabetic. I learned
> a great deal from her of which I share openly with others. Fend for
> yourself as I have no responsiblity for your well-being!
>
> Oh and your sig is very fitting as well as your google profile


OK, time for a recap. Wayne is going to go live on an island, where he
has announced that he intends to smoke, drink and eat peanut butter in
peace. And that you are not invited.

And if I understand you correctly, you intend to follow him there and
die (presumably from a food allergy), and it's somehow his fault and
your heirs will sue him until he can barely afford to live in a box
somewhere.

And lastly, "I understand my allergies are my problem."

Have I misstated anything?

Bob

~patches~ wrote:

> No I did not forget to include "I believe" I specifically said it was my
> choice. It is *my choice* to use whatever utensils I choose to whether
> or not you or anyone else agrees with my choice. If you want to use
> wooden utensils by all means be my guest. I choose not to period, end
> of discussion. If you want to argue about it go ahead but I have salsa
> to finish. toodles

It's got nothing to do with what your choices are. Who the
heck cares.

When you make a statement like "you can't be sure they've been
cleaned properly", one might get the impression you're stating
this opinion as if it's some sort of fact.

Maybe *you* can't be sure wooden utensils can ever be cleaned
properly. The available evidence would indicate otherwise.

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

~patches~ wrote:
> Reg wrote:
>
> > ~patches~ wrote:
> >
> >> As far as the wooden utensils, I'd rather not use them simply because
> >> you cannot be sure they are cleaned properly. My choice and one I
> >> don't regret.
> >
> >
> > You forgot to include the phrase "I believe..." or something similar
> > in your statement.
> >
> > There no evidence whatsoever that wooden utensils can't be "cleaned
> > properly". Not cutting boards, and not utensils.
> >
> No I did not forget to include "I believe" I specifically said it was my
> choice.

No, you said "you cannot be sure they are cleaned properly"... the fact
that you qualified your statement with it being your choice in no way
negates the dogmatic presentation of your statement, especially with
your "you"... you should have said "I". Your ability to communicate
accurately is practically non-existant... I've been reading you now for
a while, your writting is quite confusing, is why so many are arguing
with you.

And anyone can be certain their wooden spoons are clean, at least
biologically, simply use them to stir a pot of boiling pasta... I'd
worry more about the pasta than the spoon, are you gonna eat the spoon.

Sheldon

zxcvbob wrote:

> ~patches~ wrote:
>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun 25 Sep 2005 12:04:56p, ~patches~ wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>
>>>> zxcvbob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> No one in this thread seems to understand the difference between
>>>>> considerately making allowances for people with food allergies
>>>>> versus having that person insist that everybody make special
>>>>> allowances.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry that you have a peanut allergy (or whatever) and if I
>>>>> know about it, I will try to be accommodating. But it's *your*
>>>>> problem and responsibility, not mine. Society doesn't owe you
>>>>> anything, and neither do I.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I understand my allergies are my problem but if you knowningly put
>>>> me at danger what does that make you? I'm not asking society to
>>>> give me anything but if society purposely puts me at risk then
>>>> what? Why do we have the anit-smoking, DUIm or other laws? They
>>>> put others at risk, do they not? We are talking about lives here
>>>> not some willy nilly pie in the sky thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it's at this point that I need my own island where I can
>>> smoke, drink, eat peanut butter, and any other damn thing that others
>>> may not be able to. Those people, of course, would NOT be welcome
>>> there except at their own perceived risk.
>>
>>
>>
>> You know I was willing to give to a benefit of a doubt before yoy said
>> *perceivd risk*
>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry you have asthma and allergies, patches, but it's your
>>> problem not mine, and I own no responsibility for your well-being.
>>>
>> No you have no reponsibility in my well being. Whether you ultimately
>> cause my death if we should ever meet is on your shoulders not mine.
>> Like I would care since I'm dead but you know just what my family
>> would and you may find yourself living in a box somewhere. Lawsuits
>> can be quite devestating so I've been told. Hell you post here about
>> your diabetes like that is any of our problems? Why the heck should
>> we help someone like you when you fail to show compassion to others
>> with equally serious problems. It's not like your diabetes is
>> anyone's problem here, deal with it! How someone could be as callous
>> as you is beyond me but we have conversed enough. Now if you would
>> like me to direct you to an island no problem otherwise you will join
>> your cohert. May you both have a safe journey through life. At any
>> rate I've heard enough from you both very selfish individuals. BTW,
>> my mom was diabetic. I learned a great deal from her of which I share
>> openly with others. Fend for yourself as I have no responsiblity for
>> your well-being!
>>
>> Oh and your sig is very fitting as well as your google profile
>
>
>
> OK, time for a recap. Wayne is going to go live on an island, where he
> has announced that he intends to smoke, drink and eat peanut butter in
> peace. And that you are not invited.
>
> And if I understand you correctly, you intend to follow him there and
> die (presumably from a food allergy), and it's somehow his fault and
> your heirs will sue him until he can barely afford to live in a box
> somewhere.
>
> And lastly, "I understand my allergies are my problem."
>
> Have I misstated anything?
>
> Bob
Yep, Wayne can go and do as he pleases where he pleases. As far as I'm
concerned the conversation with him is over and he has joined his cohert
until such time I feel either can come out again. I have no intentions
of following him anywhere or even reading his posts but thanks for your
recap.

I'm *trying* to stay focused on finishing my salsa. I just have to chop
the hot peppers and add the spices then cook, jar up and process. This
will give me about 12 - 500 ml jars of salsa. Only 36 more to go. Now
if you would kindly like to volunteer peeling/chopping/coring tomatoes
as well as a lot of other chopping of nice vegetables I would really
appreciate it. DH brought another hamper of tomatoes home. I'm dead
tired and have been dragging my butt all day so the prospects of
processing another hamper of tomatoes really isn't appealing to me right
this minute. I've taken several ng breaks and would really like to just
curl up and read more of Harry Potter instead. Normally I'm gung ho on
canning but for some reason today I'm just whipped! But if I get a
second wind I might be able to even though it has taken me most the
afternoon to do the first hamper. They are smaller tomatoes so perhaps
I could make a quick batch of tomato paste or ketchup. We'll see.

Reg wrote:

> ~patches~ wrote:
>
>> No I did not forget to include "I believe" I specifically said it was
>> my choice. It is *my choice* to use whatever utensils I choose to
>> whether or not you or anyone else agrees with my choice. If you want
>> to use wooden utensils by all means be my guest. I choose not to
>> period, end of discussion. If you want to argue about it go ahead but
>> I have salsa to finish. toodles
>
>
> It's got nothing to do with what your choices are. Who the
> heck cares.
>
> When you make a statement like "you can't be sure they've been
> cleaned properly", one might get the impression you're stating
> this opinion as if it's some sort of fact.
>
> Maybe *you* can't be sure wooden utensils can ever be cleaned
> properly. The available evidence would indicate otherwise.
>
Fine Reg, you win. Happy? *I* can't be sure they are cleaned properly
so *I* choose not to use them. Happy?

I'm tired, testy and still have salsa to jar up as well as processing
another hamper of tomatoes so if it make you feel better you won, good
for you! Now be a good lad and offer to do a little peeling or chopping
of the tomatoes will you? That's a good boy

~patches~ wrote:
:: Yep, Wayne can go and do as he pleases where he pleases. As far as
I'm
:: concerned the conversation with him is over and he has joined his
cohert
:: until such time I feel either can come out again. I have no
intentions
:: of following him anywhere or even reading his posts but thanks for
your
:: recap.
::
:: I'm *trying* to stay focused on finishing my salsa. I just have to
chop
:: the hot peppers and add the spices then cook, jar up and process.
This
:: will give me about 12 - 500 ml jars of salsa. Only 36 more to go.
Now
:: if you would kindly like to volunteer peeling/chopping/coring
tomatoes
:: as well as a lot of other chopping of nice vegetables I would
really
:: appreciate it. DH brought another hamper of tomatoes home. I'm
dead
:: tired and have been dragging my butt all day so the prospects of
:: processing another hamper of tomatoes really isn't appealing to me
right
:: this minute. I've taken several ng breaks and would really like to
just
:: curl up and read more of Harry Potter instead. Normally I'm gung
ho on
:: canning but for some reason today I'm just whipped! But if I get a
:: second wind I might be able to even though it has taken me most the
:: afternoon to do the first hamper. They are smaller tomatoes so
perhaps
:: I could make a quick batch of tomato paste or ketchup. We'll see.

Ahhh. So it's not about the peanuts after all. You hate making salsa
(you've mentioned making salsa in a negative way several times) but
your DH insists that you make it, despite *your* wishes.

Thanks for sharing.

Spud

~patches~ wrote:

> I'm tired, testy and still have salsa to jar up as well as processing
> another hamper of tomatoes so if it make you feel better you won, good
> for you! Now be a good lad and offer to do a little peeling or chopping
> of the tomatoes will you? That's a good boy

What's life like as a babbling lunatic? Do tell.

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

On Sun 25 Sep 2005 03:31:07p, zxcvbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> OK, time for a recap. Wayne is going to go live on an island, where he
> has announced that he intends to smoke, drink and eat peanut butter in
> peace. And that you are not invited.
>
> And if I understand you correctly, you intend to follow him there and
> die (presumably from a food allergy), and it's somehow his fault and
> your heirs will sue him until he can barely afford to live in a box
> somewhere.
>
> And lastly, "I understand my allergies are my problem."
>
> Have I misstated anything?

ROTFLMAO! Thanks for pointing out the absurdity of all this, Bob.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________ ___

If assholes could fly, this place would be an airport.

On Sun 25 Sep 2005 04:11:52p, ~patches~ wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Yep, Wayne can go and do as he pleases where he pleases. As far as I'm
> concerned the conversation with him is over and he has joined his cohert
> until such time I feel either can come out again. I have no intentions
> of following him anywhere or even reading his posts but thanks for your
> recap.

What I keep trying to figure out is what a "cohert" is, and who is MY
"cohert" that I have joined. Twice you have said this, but have not
explained it. I haven't noticed anyone else around that might be my
"cohert". <vbg>

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________ ___

If assholes could fly, this place would be an airport.

Spud wrote:

> ~patches~ wrote:
> :: Yep, Wayne can go and do as he pleases where he pleases. As far as
> I'm
> :: concerned the conversation with him is over and he has joined his
> cohert
> :: until such time I feel either can come out again. I have no
> intentions
> :: of following him anywhere or even reading his posts but thanks for
> your
> :: recap.
> ::
> :: I'm *trying* to stay focused on finishing my salsa. I just have to
> chop
> :: the hot peppers and add the spices then cook, jar up and process.
> This
> :: will give me about 12 - 500 ml jars of salsa. Only 36 more to go.
> Now
> :: if you would kindly like to volunteer peeling/chopping/coring
> tomatoes
> :: as well as a lot of other chopping of nice vegetables I would
> really
> :: appreciate it. DH brought another hamper of tomatoes home. I'm
> dead
> :: tired and have been dragging my butt all day so the prospects of
> :: processing another hamper of tomatoes really isn't appealing to me
> right
> :: this minute. I've taken several ng breaks and would really like to
> just
> :: curl up and read more of Harry Potter instead. Normally I'm gung
> ho on
> :: canning but for some reason today I'm just whipped! But if I get a
> :: second wind I might be able to even though it has taken me most the
> :: afternoon to do the first hamper. They are smaller tomatoes so
> perhaps
> :: I could make a quick batch of tomato paste or ketchup. We'll see.
>
> Ahhh. So it's not about the peanuts after all. You hate making salsa
> (you've mentioned making salsa in a negative way several times) but
> your DH insists that you make it, despite *your* wishes.
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Spud
>
>
No on the contrary. I've only spoken negatively of salsa today because
for some reason I am so tired all I want to do is lay down. This is
very uncommon for me. Salsa is a lot of work but the results are well
worth it. Today it feels moreso like work because I just haven't been
able to get in the groove. I love making salsa and I love the final
product. The jars of salsa sparkle like jewels and if I can sweet talk
Pandora into how to upload to tinypics you will be able to see how
pretty they are. What I don't like is peeling, coring, and chopping the
tomatoes. Everything else as far as prep is just fine. I love the
smell of salsa cooking and I love the looks of it in the jars. It's a
tomato thing really. DH does not insist I make it either. In fact DH
doesn't like or eat salsa. His loss as it leaves more for me As we
speak right now the salsa is just coming to almost a simmer point. The
house will smell wonderful and I can rest a bit knowing the first batch
is almost done. Now I'm getting a little excited as I always do when
something I'm going to can is almost ready to jar up.

Reg wrote:

> ~patches~ wrote:
>
>> I'm tired, testy and still have salsa to jar up as well as processing
>> another hamper of tomatoes so if it make you feel better you won, good
>> for you! Now be a good lad and offer to do a little peeling or
>> chopping of the tomatoes will you? That's a good boy
>
>
> What's life like as a babbling lunatic? Do tell.
>
Bye

"~patches~" > wrote

> No on the contrary. I've only spoken negatively of salsa today because
> for some reason I am so tired all I want to do is lay down. This is very
> uncommon for me.

Maybe you should rest, I'm serious, you seem as if you're
usually a bundle of energy. Let the salsa wait. Besides, this
thread died a long time ago and I don't know why it's turned
so mean. I hope everyone drops it, that horse is dead.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> "~patches~" > wrote
>
>
>>No on the contrary. I've only spoken negatively of salsa today because
>>for some reason I am so tired all I want to do is lay down. This is very
>>uncommon for me.
>
>
> Maybe you should rest, I'm serious, you seem as if you're
> usually a bundle of energy. Let the salsa wait. Besides, this
> thread died a long time ago and I don't know why it's turned
> so mean. I hope everyone drops it, that horse is dead.
>
> nancy
>
>
Yep agreed and can't understand the meanness either but maybe there's a
full moon coming or something. I don't know what's wrong with me today
but I have absolutely no energy! Anyway the salsa is now cooking and
should be ready for canning shortly. It smells very good. This batch
is using up a lot of my home grown hot peppers. I was concerned they
wouldn't be hot enough but I don't think that is going to be a problem.
I'm using jalapenos, bananas, and cherry bombs. If Pandora tells me
how I'm going to post pics of the salsa so everyone can see what it
looks like. I'm leaving the second hamper of tomatoes until tomorrow.
I just don't have the energy right now.

~patches~ wrote:
>
> The jars of salsa sparkle like jewels and if I can sweet talk
> Pandora into how to upload to tinypics you will be able to see how
> pretty they are.

Go to www.tinypic.com, hit the Browse button, plug in your picture, hit
enter, and scroll down to the bottom of the page where you'll find four
different ways of using the code.

BTW, www.tinypics.com (with an S) is a porn site. I keep it singular.
<G>

Patches, have you considered using pound signs before and after your
nick? They resemble #patches#.

Carol, waiting for the pictures

Damsel wrote:

> ~patches~ wrote:
>
>>The jars of salsa sparkle like jewels and if I can sweet talk
>>Pandora into how to upload to tinypics you will be able to see how
>>pretty they are.
>
>
> Go to www.tinypic.com, hit the Browse button, plug in your picture, hit
> enter, and scroll down to the bottom of the page where you'll find four
> different ways of using the code.
>
> BTW, www.tinypics.com (with an S) is a porn site. I keep it singular.
> <G>
>
> Patches, have you considered using pound signs before and after your
> nick? They resemble #patches#.
>
> Carol, waiting for the pictures
>

Oh thanks so much! The salsa has about 5 more minutes before I can put
it in jars then 15 min in the bwb. The jars are now sterilizing and
I'll turn the lids on shortly. I've taken pictures throughout the
process so others can see this is *not* a small pot of salsa we are
talking about. Each batch will give me about 12 - 500 ml jars, each 500
ml jar is about 2 c or 1 pint. I'll end up doing at least 4 batches of
various strengths. I play around with the peppers making careful notes
as to how the salsa comes out. I like a nice hot salsa but DH seldom if
ever eats salsa. I make a small batch of very mild salsa just for him.

I haven't thought of using pound signs for my nick. I kinda like the
squiggly thing just because I think it's cool looking.

In article . com>, "Sheldon" > wrote:
>
[...]
>
>Yup, and of course wood can be sterilized... stick out your tongue and
>say Ahhhhhh... oh yes... and tongue depressors too! hehe

Yeah. But they don't do 'em on medical parade: Tongue, testes,
tinea; tongue, testes, tinea; ...


Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

jmcquown wrote:
> Gabby wrote:
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >> I didn't think they still gave out peanuts on planes. Whenever I
> >> fly, which is a heck of a lot in the last couple of years, you get a
> >> bag of pretzels or a granola bar. What if someone is allergic to
> >> the oats used in granola? Or has a sensitivity to flour used in the
> >> pretzels? At some point a person has to be responsible for
> >> themselves and not expect the world to kow-tow just because they
> >> have an allergy. A person with such severe allergies should carry
> >> an epi-pen. My 2 cents.
> >
> > Peanut allergy is one of the few I know of where the allergic person
> > can die because YOU ate peanuts. Just the opening of bags of peanuts
> > on a plane can trigger an anaphylactic reaction. I'm not aware of
> > anyone ever dying because someone else ate wheat.
> >
> > The epi-pen is a stop-gap measure to buy time while you haul ass to
> > the nearest ER. Depending on the flight, an ER may not be accessible
> > in enough time for the epi-pen to be worth anything. All it would do
> > is prolong death.
> >
> > FWIW, not all airlines have stopped offering peanuts. A few have
> > taken the attitude of some of the posters he your allergy is your
> > problem, not ours.
> >
> > Gabby
>
> I generally fly Northwest (although with the bankruptcy that will probably
> stop) or Delta. I've never been offered peanuts on any of their flights.
> Call me insensitive, but I still don't believe it is the airlines
> responsibility to worry about a single customer possibly having a food
> allergy. You get 150 people on a plane and they are supposed to change
> their policy because they might have one passenger with a peanut allergy?
> You know that's not how big business works.
>
> And a lot of people bring their own snacks on the plane with them; I know I
> do (usually cheese crackers, but sometimes evey PB crackers!). What are
> they supposed to do, start confiscating anything with peanuts? I, for one,
> would protest.
>
> I also do not remember anyone having peanut allergies when I was a kid in
> the 1960's. I took a PB sandwich for lunch every day and no one ever got
> ill from being around me while I was eating it. I can't comment on why this
> has become so prevalent; I can only comment on personal experience which is
> this: no child around me ever had an allergic reaction when I was eating my
> lunch.
>
> Jill

Ditto. Another odd thing - I don't remember anyone when I was growing
up being lactose-intolerant; yet, that phrase is so common nowadays.
What gives?

N.

On Mon 26 Sep 2005 08:31:33a, Nancy1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Gabby wrote:
>> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >
>> >> I didn't think they still gave out peanuts on planes. Whenever I
>> >> fly, which is a heck of a lot in the last couple of years, you get a
>> >> bag of pretzels or a granola bar. What if someone is allergic to
>> >> the oats used in granola? Or has a sensitivity to flour used in the
>> >> pretzels? At some point a person has to be responsible for
>> >> themselves and not expect the world to kow-tow just because they
>> >> have an allergy. A person with such severe allergies should carry
>> >> an epi-pen. My 2 cents.
>> >
>> > Peanut allergy is one of the few I know of where the allergic person
>> > can die because YOU ate peanuts. Just the opening of bags of peanuts
>> > on a plane can trigger an anaphylactic reaction. I'm not aware of
>> > anyone ever dying because someone else ate wheat.
>> >
>> > The epi-pen is a stop-gap measure to buy time while you haul ass to
>> > the nearest ER. Depending on the flight, an ER may not be accessible
>> > in enough time for the epi-pen to be worth anything. All it would do
>> > is prolong death.
>> >
>> > FWIW, not all airlines have stopped offering peanuts. A few have
>> > taken the attitude of some of the posters he your allergy is your
>> > problem, not ours.
>> >
>> > Gabby
>>
>> I generally fly Northwest (although with the bankruptcy that will
>> probably stop) or Delta. I've never been offered peanuts on any of
>> their flights. Call me insensitive, but I still don't believe it is the
>> airlines responsibility to worry about a single customer possibly
>> having a food allergy. You get 150 people on a plane and they are
>> supposed to change their policy because they might have one passenger
>> with a peanut allergy? You know that's not how big business works.
>>
>> And a lot of people bring their own snacks on the plane with them; I
>> know I do (usually cheese crackers, but sometimes evey PB crackers!).
>> What are they supposed to do, start confiscating anything with peanuts?
>> I, for one, would protest.
>>
>> I also do not remember anyone having peanut allergies when I was a kid
>> in the 1960's. I took a PB sandwich for lunch every day and no one
>> ever got ill from being around me while I was eating it. I can't
>> comment on why this has become so prevalent; I can only comment on
>> personal experience which is this: no child around me ever had an
>> allergic reaction when I was eating my lunch.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Ditto. Another odd thing - I don't remember anyone when I was growing
> up being lactose-intolerant; yet, that phrase is so common nowadays.
> What gives?
>
> N.

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Sheryl Rosen wrote:

keep cold foods cold and hot foods hot, avoiding "warm" anything.
Things
> like that will prevent most bad things from happening to you, but you will
> still be exposed to germs and your body will do a fine job of fighting them
> if you are a reasonably healthy individual.

I totally agree.

On a related note: tooth cavities are way up because the bottled water
everyone seems to be addicted to doesn't contain fluorides to prevent
cavities. People, if your home water supply is safe, fill up your
individual bottles with it instead of buying bottled water - at least
for your kids.

N.

~patches~ wrote:
> I'm *trying* to stay focused on finishing my salsa. I just have to chop
> the hot peppers and add the spices then cook, jar up and process. This
> will give me about 12 - 500 ml jars of salsa. Only 36 more to go. Now
> if you would kindly like to volunteer peeling/chopping/coring tomatoes

I think I mentioned before - to peel the tomatoes, just drop them in
boiling water for 10-20 seconds, and the skins will slide right off.

N.

Nancy1 wrote:
>
> On a related note: tooth cavities are way up because the bottled water
> everyone seems to be addicted to doesn't contain fluorides to prevent
> cavities. People, if your home water supply is safe, fill up your
> individual bottles with it instead of buying bottled water - at least
> for your kids.

Our city water tastes ucky. But I've discovered that if you fill an
individual bottle and refrigerate it for awhile, the ucky flavor
disappears. I rotate three bottles, and have no problems with the
water now. Maybe that can help someone else.

Carol

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Carol wrote:
>
>
> Can you imagine telling the mother of a cranky toddler that she can't feed
> her child the peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwich she brought along FOR THE
> EXPRESS PURPOSE of keeping her child from going hungry?
>
> Or how about this: Can you imagine someone buying a ticket to a baseball
> game, and telling the stadium manager that nobody in the crowd can have
> peanuts?
>
> Bob

I wonder about ballgames, actually - are there no allergic kids who
will ever get to go to a game?

N.

wrote:
enough. The menu should be able to answer my questions otherwise I take
my
> chances.) , thats called a menu. Their job is to take your order know you can
> sub x for y etc., serve the food, and see that you get more drinks, bread,
> butter what have you, NOT to do a dissection of the recipe of the menu. Who
> knows what might be buried deep in some product or seasoning used in the
> kitchen.
>

That attitude is a little silly; I've often asked a waitperson to ask
the chef if the ingredient I'm allergic to is in a dish because the
menu didn't say.

For instance, I ordered a chicken salad sandwich once that had pecans
in it - not almonds, pecans. I'm not allergic to almonds (they're in
the cherry family), but am deathly allergic to pecans. I had to send
it back for a different choice. Should I have known that chicken salad
would be embellished with pecans? Nope. So ever since then, I play
"ask the chef." Most not only are very willing to send the answer out
with the waitstaff, but if an implement might have had multiple uses in
the kitchen, they will tell me that, too, so I know that the dessert
without nuts might have shared implements or containers with the
dessert with nuts.

If I don't get a thorough answer, I order something else.

N.

Ariane Jenkins wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2005 03:23:16 +0200, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
> >
> > I understand your point. Meeting someone halfway is one thing. What has
> > been suggested is meeting them at their own door and escorting them to
> > their destination. I will not be made responsible for their whole trip.
> > Seems those who complain take few if any measures on their own to avoid the
> > problem or protect themselves. They expect everyone else to do it for them
> > by eliminating 100% of the cause. This is bullshit!
> >
>
> I think accomodation should be made--within reason-- for people with
> severe allergies. I'm not sure what you consider to be too much accomodation,
> but if we're talking about relatively basic matter of not serving peanuts on
> an airline flight, then I personally don't consider that to be outrageous.
>
> Ariane

Yes, but in this day when airlines have cut back on so much of the
"service," what about people who bring their own peanuts or peanut
butter aboard?

N.

"Nancy1" > wrote in message
oups.com...
|
| Bob Terwilliger wrote:
| > Carol wrote:
| >
| >
| > Can you imagine telling the mother of a cranky toddler that she can't
feed
| > her child the peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwich she brought along FOR THE
| > EXPRESS PURPOSE of keeping her child from going hungry?
| >
| > Or how about this: Can you imagine someone buying a ticket to a baseball
| > game, and telling the stadium manager that nobody in the crowd can have
| > peanuts?
| >
| > Bob
|
| I wonder about ballgames, actually - are there no allergic kids who
| will ever get to go to a game?
|

I think it would depend on the severity of the allergy. In some cases the
allergic person would not be able to go. I had a friend that sitting 5 feet
from the empty shells in the garbage pail would suffer a severe reaction.
She had to be very careful where she went. Luckily not everyone has such
serious reactions. I am of mixed feelings as how to far we should take the
catering to allergies. I have pictures in my mind of a gray old world
without flowers, perfumes etc... or at least no flowers within 20 feet or so
of a public walkway.

Debbie

"Nancy1" > wrote in message
oups.com...
| Ditto. Another odd thing - I don't remember anyone when I was growing
| up being lactose-intolerant; yet, that phrase is so common nowadays.
| What gives?

Just because you didn't hear of it doesn't mean it wasn't there. There are
entire world populations who are lactose intolerant. Canada made an ass of
itself a few years ago shipping powdered milk to a country where most people
can't drink it because they can't digest lactose. It's just a case of a
missing enzyme. There is now more recognition of the problem. Years ago it
would most likely have been diagnosed as something else.

As for allergies, milk allergy is very common but is often misdiagnosed
because the symptoms are not always obvious. My friend's baby girl had very
frequent ear infections and was on one antibiotic after another for weeks.
One day her pediatrician said "Let's take her off her milk formula and put
her on Isomil." In two days she was a different child: she slept at night,
the ear infection went away, there was no more crankiness. The allergy to
milk had caused swelling of the Eustachian tube that promoted the growth of
bacteria and the resulting infection. Without the increased recognition
that milk is often an allergen, that child would eventually have had tubes
installed in her ears with all the problems and inconveniences that go with
that. Not to mention that frequent ear infections at such a young age can
often mean that speech is affected because of muffled hearing.

Gabby

Nancy1 wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
>
>>Gabby wrote:
>>
>>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
.. .
>>>
>>>
>>>>I didn't think they still gave out peanuts on planes. Whenever I
>>>>fly, which is a heck of a lot in the last couple of years, you get a
>>>>bag of pretzels or a granola bar. What if someone is allergic to
>>>>the oats used in granola? Or has a sensitivity to flour used in the
>>>>pretzels? At some point a person has to be responsible for
>>>>themselves and not expect the world to kow-tow just because they
>>>>have an allergy. A person with such severe allergies should carry
>>>>an epi-pen. My 2 cents.
>>>
>>>Peanut allergy is one of the few I know of where the allergic person
>>>can die because YOU ate peanuts. Just the opening of bags of peanuts
>>>on a plane can trigger an anaphylactic reaction. I'm not aware of
>>>anyone ever dying because someone else ate wheat.
>>>
>>>The epi-pen is a stop-gap measure to buy time while you haul ass to
>>>the nearest ER. Depending on the flight, an ER may not be accessible
>>>in enough time for the epi-pen to be worth anything. All it would do
>>>is prolong death.
>>>
>>>FWIW, not all airlines have stopped offering peanuts. A few have
>>>taken the attitude of some of the posters he your allergy is your
>>>problem, not ours.
>>>
>>>Gabby
>>
>>I generally fly Northwest (although with the bankruptcy that will probably
>>stop) or Delta. I've never been offered peanuts on any of their flights.
>>Call me insensitive, but I still don't believe it is the airlines
>>responsibility to worry about a single customer possibly having a food
>>allergy. You get 150 people on a plane and they are supposed to change
>>their policy because they might have one passenger with a peanut allergy?
>>You know that's not how big business works.
>>
>>And a lot of people bring their own snacks on the plane with them; I know I
>>do (usually cheese crackers, but sometimes evey PB crackers!). What are
>>they supposed to do, start confiscating anything with peanuts? I, for one,
>>would protest.
>>
>>I also do not remember anyone having peanut allergies when I was a kid in
>>the 1960's. I took a PB sandwich for lunch every day and no one ever got
>>ill from being around me while I was eating it. I can't comment on why this
>>has become so prevalent; I can only comment on personal experience which is
>>this: no child around me ever had an allergic reaction when I was eating my
>>lunch.
>>
>>Jill
>
>
> Ditto. Another odd thing - I don't remember anyone when I was growing
> up being lactose-intolerant; yet, that phrase is so common nowadays.
> What gives?
>
> N.
>
Well for one, the bowels give and give and give I can't answer your
question but I developed it and it isn't fun. One word - lactaid!

"~patches~" > wrote

> Nancy1 wrote:

>> Ditto. Another odd thing - I don't remember anyone when I was growing
>> up being lactose-intolerant; yet, that phrase is so common nowadays.
>> What gives?

> Well for one, the bowels give and give and give I can't answer your
> question but I developed it and it isn't fun. One word - lactaid!

For me, it took me a long time to put two and two together, hey, I
had a glass of milk, now I have major trots. Reuben for lunch
(melted swiss)? Run home, it's gonna be a long afternoon. Gives a
whole new meaning to 'run' ... I just never made the connection when
I was younger.

nancy

Nancy1 wrote:

> Sheryl Rosen wrote:
>
> keep cold foods cold and hot foods hot, avoiding "warm" anything.
> Things
>
>>like that will prevent most bad things from happening to you, but you will
>>still be exposed to germs and your body will do a fine job of fighting them
>>if you are a reasonably healthy individual.
>
>
> I totally agree.
>
> On a related note: tooth cavities are way up because the bottled water
> everyone seems to be addicted to doesn't contain fluorides to prevent
> cavities. People, if your home water supply is safe, fill up your
> individual bottles with it instead of buying bottled water - at least
> for your kids.
>
> N.
>
Our water is filtered here because of chemical spills and IIRC it is one
of the few communities in this area without fluoridated water. We use a
fluoride toothpaste to compensate. I saw there was an issue with
re-filling individual water bottles as in those you buy in the store
then re-use. Something about not being able to get them clean. We do
it anyway because it's cheaper than buying more bottles and less to go
into the recycle bin.

Nancy1 wrote:

> ~patches~ wrote:
>
>>I'm *trying* to stay focused on finishing my salsa. I just have to chop
>>the hot peppers and add the spices then cook, jar up and process. This
>>will give me about 12 - 500 ml jars of salsa. Only 36 more to go. Now
>>if you would kindly like to volunteer peeling/chopping/coring tomatoes
>
>
> I think I mentioned before - to peel the tomatoes, just drop them in
> boiling water for 10-20 seconds, and the skins will slide right off.
>
> N.
>
Yep do that but still hate doing it!

Nancy1 wrote:

> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>>Carol wrote:
>>
>>
>>Can you imagine telling the mother of a cranky toddler that she can't feed
>>her child the peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwich she brought along FOR THE
>>EXPRESS PURPOSE of keeping her child from going hungry?
>>
>>Or how about this: Can you imagine someone buying a ticket to a baseball
>>game, and telling the stadium manager that nobody in the crowd can have
>>peanuts?
>>
>>Bob
>
>
> I wonder about ballgames, actually - are there no allergic kids who
> will ever get to go to a game?
>
> N.
>
Open air makes a big difference. The allergens are blown away. It's
the enclosed spaces where the problem really is.

~patches~ wrote:
> Nancy1 wrote:
>
> > Sheryl Rosen wrote:
> >
> > keep cold foods cold and hot foods hot, avoiding "warm" anything.
> > Things
> >
> >>like that will prevent most bad things from happening to you, but you will
> >>still be exposed to germs and your body will do a fine job of fighting them
> >>if you are a reasonably healthy individual.
> >
> >
> > I totally agree.
> >
> > On a related note: tooth cavities are way up because the bottled water
> > everyone seems to be addicted to doesn't contain fluorides to prevent
> > cavities. People, if your home water supply is safe, fill up your
> > individual bottles with it instead of buying bottled water - at least
> > for your kids.
> >
> > N.
> >
> Our water is filtered here because of chemical spills and IIRC it is one
> of the few communities in this area without fluoridated water. We use a
> fluoride toothpaste to compensate. I saw there was an issue with
> re-filling individual water bottles as in those you buy in the store
> then re-use. Something about not being able to get them clean. We do
> it anyway because it's cheaper than buying more bottles and less to go
> into the recycle bin.

I stick them (and the lids) in the dishwasher - I believe the
"dangerous plastic" warnings are about re-heating in plastic frozen
food containers, not just pouring water in ... still, water containers
get bad germs very fast, whether you see them or not, and should be
washed regularly with hot water and soap.

N.

Gabby wrote:
>
> Just because you didn't hear of it doesn't mean it wasn't there. There are
> entire world populations who are lactose intolerant. Canada made an ass of
> itself a few years ago shipping powdered milk to a country where most people
> can't drink it because they can't digest lactose. It's just a case of a
> missing enzyme. There is now more recognition of the problem. Years ago it
> would most likely have been diagnosed as something else.

I have read lately that yogurt is a common "antidote" to people who
have stomach problems/enzymes missing, or something like that. But
yogurt is a dairy product.

N.

"Nancy1" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Gabby wrote:
>>
>> Just because you didn't hear of it doesn't mean it wasn't there. There
>> are
>> entire world populations who are lactose intolerant. Canada made an ass
>> of
>> itself a few years ago shipping powdered milk to a country where most
>> people
>> can't drink it because they can't digest lactose. It's just a case of a
>> missing enzyme. There is now more recognition of the problem. Years ago
>> it
>> would most likely have been diagnosed as something else.
>
> I have read lately that yogurt is a common "antidote" to people who
> have stomach problems/enzymes missing, or something like that. But
> yogurt is a dairy product.

This is true, you have to look for yogurt that says it contains
'live cultures' ... but you use it to build up cultures in your
intestines (icky icky icky) and that does help. Not something
you take once you're feeling crappy ... no pun intended.

Also, I can tolerate milk if I eat banana with it, I figured that out
on my own and then found out it's true.

nancy

Nancy1 wrote:
>
> I have read lately that yogurt is a common "antidote" to people who
> have stomach problems/enzymes missing, or something like that. But
> yogurt is a dairy product.
>
> N.
>
Yogurt with live cultures can be beneficial to people who's own gut
flora is out of whack from antibiotic use to illness for example. The
live cultures help reestablish a good flora balance. We ALL have
bacteria in our guts doing their little jobs (making vitamins, for
example) and they chug along happily until getting out of whack.
Some people with "lactose intolerance" tolerate acidophilis milk or
yogurt just fine.

Nancy1 wrote:

> Gabby wrote:
>
>>Just because you didn't hear of it doesn't mean it wasn't there. There are
>>entire world populations who are lactose intolerant. Canada made an ass of
>>itself a few years ago shipping powdered milk to a country where most people
>>can't drink it because they can't digest lactose. It's just a case of a
>>missing enzyme. There is now more recognition of the problem. Years ago it
>>would most likely have been diagnosed as something else.
>
>
> I have read lately that yogurt is a common "antidote" to people who
> have stomach problems/enzymes missing, or something like that. But
> yogurt is a dairy product.
>
> N.
>
Oh yes! I make it a point to eat 8 oz of plain yogurt daily and I'm
lactose intolerant. There's very little lactose in yogurt.

One time on Usenet, "Nancy1" > said:
>
> Gabby wrote:
> >
> > Just because you didn't hear of it doesn't mean it wasn't there. There are
> > entire world populations who are lactose intolerant. Canada made an ass of
> > itself a few years ago shipping powdered milk to a country where most people
> > can't drink it because they can't digest lactose. It's just a case of a
> > missing enzyme. There is now more recognition of the problem. Years ago it
> > would most likely have been diagnosed as something else.
>
> I have read lately that yogurt is a common "antidote" to people who
> have stomach problems/enzymes missing, or something like that. But
> yogurt is a dairy product.

Yeah, but good yogurt has lots of friendly live bacteria in it (such
as acidophilus, IIRC). They can help one digest the proteins in milk
products that cause the problems. This is especially true of people
who have to take a lot of antibiotics, as they kill the good bacteria
as well as the nasty ones...


--
Jani in WA (S'mee)
~ mom, VidGamer, novice cook ~

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
...
> Nancy1 wrote:
>>
>> I have read lately that yogurt is a common "antidote" to people who
>> have stomach problems/enzymes missing, or something like that. But
>> yogurt is a dairy product.
>>
>> N.
>>
> Yogurt with live cultures can be beneficial to people who's own gut flora
> is out of whack from antibiotic use to illness for example. The live
> cultures help reestablish a good flora balance. We ALL have bacteria in
> our guts doing their little jobs (making vitamins, for example) and they
> chug along happily until getting out of whack.
> Some people with "lactose intolerance" tolerate acidophilis milk or yogurt
> just fine.

Yes, some can, some can't -- it all depends on how deficient in lactase they
are. Some cheeses like cheddar have very little lactose so are better
tolerated than a straight glass of milk.

Gabby

In article . com>,
"Nancy1" > wrote:

> Gabby wrote:
> >
> > Just because you didn't hear of it doesn't mean it wasn't there. There are
> > entire world populations who are lactose intolerant. Canada made an ass of
> > itself a few years ago shipping powdered milk to a country where most people
> > can't drink it because they can't digest lactose. It's just a case of a
> > missing enzyme. There is now more recognition of the problem. Years ago it
> > would most likely have been diagnosed as something else.
>
> I have read lately that yogurt is a common "antidote" to people who
> have stomach problems/enzymes missing, or something like that. But
> yogurt is a dairy product.


Believe it or not, "lactose intolerant" means that you can't tolerate
lactose.


:-)


Yoghurt and other dairy products have been cultured. The little buggies
in the culture already "ate" the lactose, so there isn't any in the
finished product.


And it's correct that there was no lactose intolerance decades ago, when
I was young. I knew that when I drank a big glass of milk with a meal
that I would get cramps and diarhea, but I didn't know why. Obviously,
I stopped drinking milk. I don't have a problem with yoghurt, although
I don't eat much of it. Cheese is no problem. I put a little milk in
my coffee in the morning, and that seems to work OK.

My middle child had problems with cow's milk as a baby. He didn't get
any, but my wife drank it, and he was breast fed. He was a really
cranky baby, and the pediatrician finally suggested that my wife stop
drinking cow's milk. He was cured instantly.